I need to know what she does for work. Iâve asked Bernie twice and both times he said we would find out⌠It will seriously drive me crazy if we never find out.
I have long held the mean suspicion that Carolineâs job was going to be connected to yet more nonsensical villainy but they realized that was a horrible fucking idea and so thankfully changed their minds. Thus how it was a SPOILER~ at one point, but now the series ended with no reference to it whatsoever.
New headcanon: Caroline is one of the first people Darcy went to, to help him take down the site. She eyerolled when he acted weird about asking her -- look, no, she didn't especially care about the Bennet family (ugh THEM AGAIN?) but she isn't petty enough to let personal dislike color something important, like backhacking a skeevy porn producer that takes in material of dubious consensual nature. Caroline is against exploitative pornography even if the people involved are, in her humble opinion, low class.
When a few bottles of Riesling and all her skills failed to bring the site down, only then did Darcy start driving hopelessly around Orange County. Because if Caro's mad skills didn't leave NE's server a gigantic smoking crater, then they were just going to have to pray for a miracle.
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Sometimes in Regency romance novels they make a big deal about how the hero and heroine share a room and the duchessâ suite or whatever is never used IN CONTRAST!!1 to the expectation that they would keep separate rooms and visit at their leisure.
Meanwhile Iâm like⌠BUT MAYBE THEY BOTH JUST LIKE...
My husband and I have separate rooms. I am reluctant to tell people IRL this, because of the Reactions we get. But he snores and fidgets and kicks in his sleep, and I'm a crazy night person with insomnia issues, so basically, having a gigantic bed to myself is a-m-a-z-i-n-g.
We still sleep in the same bed some nights, but having it be a choice is such an awesome, freeing thing. And even then, if it goes downhill, one of us can relocate to the extra bed down the hall. So basically, A+ separate bedrooms highly recommended.
There was that one fic where Darcy stopped by the Bennet house to pick up Lydia and they ended up smashing Wickhamâs computer. I think that one could easily be adapted to have them smash something else.
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I think the main problem going on in the tags is that instead of discussing it in a civil manner, some are arguing and making others feel inferior because they "are naive", or "aren't poc." I'm a poc and I didn't originally see the stereotypes because I don't see race, I see people. I didn't watch the episode and think of Caroline as an "evil asian" or whatever the stereotype is, I watched it and thought "wow what are you guys writing. Caroline's reasons for being here makes no sense."
Okay, this got long. But: you and I differ on one very important point:
And the people saying âugh can we just ignore this and go back to squeeing over Jingâ are being Civil
Whereas I think Group #1 is outraged, hurt, and trying to speak up about being marginalized, while Group #2 is uncomfortable about the implications of liking something problematic and choosing to go the route of ⌠more marginalization.
Also âI donât see raceâ / âI donât see colorâ is not really a helpful statement. The only people who âdonât see raceâ are ones who donât face racism on a day-to-day basis. Youâre anon, and this is the internet, so Iâm going to act in good faith and assume youâre not just saying youâre a PoC as a shield to deflect criticism, and actually ARE a PoC. But you may not experience shit on a day to day basis the way some people do.
Which is good. I mean. Not experiencing shit is good. No one should have to experience shit. This isnât a game of âmore PoC than thou.â This is pointing out that people who âdonât see raceâ have the benefit of being able to do that. Because racism doesnât give them shit on a daily basis.
Iâm going to assume that you arenât Asian, however, and therefore havenât slammed into this personal stereotype before, either. Okay. But now that Asian people have spoken up to say that they have, then those are their experiences, and their experiences are, as a result, legitimate, and you saying âI donât see it that wayâ doesnât make their experiences go away. They donât magically go âwow, that non-Asian person doesnât think it was meant like that. My hurt feelings have evaporated, like dew in the morning sunlight.â
If person A says âI see this as racistâ and person B says âI see it as non-racist, but I respect your point of viewâ â thatâs a conversation. But if person B is saying âI see it as non-racist, why canât people shut up about race? I want to go back to talking about other things,â thatâs ⌠selfish, and yes, naive. And if person B says âI see it as non-racist, and therefore, you are overreacting to see it as racist,â thatâs just crap.
The problem is that our society gets upset at the people who speak up, not those who keep their heads down and agree with the status quo. So people calling out racism or racially problematic elements are seen as the ones âcausing problems,â the way that several of us saying âthis relationship of Lydiaâs is abusive and I hate the way the creators seem to be glamorizing itâ was seen as us causing problems, too.Â
I want to add that Iâve written a lot of words about racism and other isms here, and Iâm white, so I have privilege that I need to check, and if I misstated some crap, call me on it.
BTW, I think thatâs what a lot of the PoC have been saying: dear white people: check your privilege, just, see if maybe youâre assuming your experience is universal and ignoring what doesnât fit that. But people see âcheck your privilegeâ as an !insult! when really itâs the equivalent of âokay, you donât realize it, but your flyâs open, you might want to zip that up.â
step two: various people (mostly PoC) found the depiction of caroline to be racially problematic, and posted explanations detailing why
step three: various other people (mostly white) claimed that group #1 was trying too hard to be offended and why can't we all shut up and enjoy things
step four: group #1 pointed out that it's hard to enjoy things when those things contain racially problematic elements
step five: then people showed up from both group #2 and the world at large to complain that people are talking about racism in the first place
that's p much it in a nutshell
the fun thing is that people are p much always immediately criticized for speaking up about things like racism or sexism because those topics are Ucky and it's better to Not Have to Think About Them
which works great if you're white because then you don't have to think about race, like, ever. much the same way straight people can afford to ignore homophobia if they want to.
Oh my gosh, this fucking tag is embarrassing in its lack of knowledge of things like "Racism 101." Because hey, if you're not actually going "I hate Chinese people" it's not racist, right???
Listen up, guys, I'm writing a new play, okay? And it's going to have three main characters.
The first is going to be a nebbishy penny-pinching cheap accountant. Now I have an actor lined up and by his name I think he just might happen to be of the Jewish persuasion but that's his business as I'm tolerant of all religions.
The second main character is a strong female role!!! She's struggling to feed her four kids (three different dads, it's a long story) while only on welfare and living deep in the ghetto. There aren't enough positive images of PoC in the world, so I'm casting a strong black woman in this role. She'll do great.
The third character is going to be hilarious! He's a slacker and hates his janitorial job, so he falls asleep most of the time. Oh, and the actor has asked if we can make some of his lines in his native language -- it turns out he's from Mexico? I didn't realize. I mean, I don't see color, we're all just fleshy color blobs.
Wait a minute, why is everyone saying my play is bad? I haven't even written it yet! I mean, I based this on my totally lily-white family! My brother is a cheap accountant, and my sister has lots of babydaddies, and I'm a slacker who hates my janitorial job, so there's no way you can say that my play is perpetuating racist stereotypes!!!
just a friendly reminder that if thereâs anything you ever want me to tag please let me know
like your comfort is very important to me if i happen to be apart of your blogging experience and if i post anything that does happening to trigger you i am more than happy to tag stuff to make you feel safe
so just ask really donât be afraid you can even do it on anon if you want
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Iâm not going to defend Wickham, so Iâll skip that part.
Darcy is controlling, but really was acting in what he thought was his friendâs best interests, and when he was confronted about it he listened and later apologized.
Lizzie is opinionated, but while sheâs direct and unapologetic when defending her family and herself after being insulted in her home, sheâs not disrespectful. She invited Caroline to dinner after all that, which showed she was willing to move past it if Caroline was (more than she gave Darcy when she confronted him for the exact same thing).
Caroline is overprotective and opinionated, but sheâs also rude, manipulative, and kind of selfish. And perhaps sheâs misunderstood.
(TEXT EDITED IN THANKS TO HELP FROM @delladilly THANK YOU)
Okay, my point wasn't "these people suck" and/or to get into the minutiae of their actions. My point was that for every other character, their flaws are heavily debated; everyone wants to make a hundred excuses for why they had completely compelling reasons for what they did, and how they were entirely in the right, like you just did.
Then we get to Caroline and it's "ugh, I hate that bitch." None of the same nuance and complexity, none of the same attempt to see the world through her eyes; she is a Villain and deserves bad things to happen to her.
I'm not saying Caroline is a super-great person. I'm pointing out that Caroline gets a dismissive reaction from people that even Wickham, the abusive predator, didn't get. Darcy, we make excuses for. Wickham, we try to woobify. Lizzie is flawed but learning.
But Caroline? Caroline is just all bad.
My post was pointing out how ridiculous those statements look lined up next to each other. Yes, Darcy is growing and changing, but he was high-handed and manipulative before, and no one dismissed him with "what a bitch" (or pick your equivalent insult, although spoiler alert, there really isn't one for gendered insults). Same for Lizzie.
Some of this is because she's the protagonist and Caroline has fallen into the Villain role, but considering that Caroline never needed to be the Villain, and considering how the creators have gone out of their way to keep Wickham, the actual Villain, from being reduced to that level, it really sticks out that Caroline gets the short end of that stick.
And since it's a woman of color getting that treatment, while the other three people are two white guys and a white girl? Yeah, I'm going to point that out.
lbd chicago gangster au | i believe you (but my tommy gun donât)
the place | chicago, late 1920s. Â crime capitol of the world. Â windy city; second city; murder city.
the players | gangsters, gun molls, and g-men
giorgio âthe mouthâ giancana - a caporegime in al caponeâs chicago outfit. Â heart breaker; love taker; gin maker. the pretty boy of the speakeasy. Â adopted brother of william. Â adopted brother and childhood sweetheart to gigi. Â lover of lydia and others.
william âwillieâ darcy - former chicago cop. Â now deputized by eliot ness to serve in chicagoâs bureau of prohibition. Â an honest man forced to keep a thousand secrets. Â adopted brother of giorgio. Â brother of gigi. Â husband of elizabeth. Â brother-in-law of lydia.
lydia âlips vendettaâ bennet - former prostitute, gun moll, aspiring actress. Â a fixture in nightclubs, particularly capone hangouts. Â wounded and shining brightly. Â sister of elizabeth. Â best friend of gigi. Â lover of giorgio. Â sister-in-law of william.
georgiana âgigiâ darcy - a musical prodigy also known as âthe little levee nightingale.â Â everyoneâs favorite kid from the neighborhood, seemingly destined to escape the life. Â sister of william. Â adopted sister and childhood sweetheart of giorgio. Â best friend of lydia. Â friend of elizabeth.
the plot |Â years later, the survivors would look back and wonder: if theyâd loved each other less, would things have been different?
