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Kris desperately using the last of their free will against the player to try and hold Noelleās head above water even as she drowns them both MESSES ME UP

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god it's hard to tell because of the lighting here, but her expression when she thanks Kris for walking her home is so loving it hurts.
I don't want to hear a single thing about how she's replacing or abandoning Kris, you look at her face and tell me she has any intention of ever doing that.
how polite!!!!
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Okay, can we talk about how Susie interacts with Orange for one second? Like, I see absolutely no one talking about these two, which definitely has some implications regarding Susie's past. Look here-
Susie had a whole thing about hiding her tail, right?
And it's clear that Susie is actually empathising with Orange with her situation.
Susie trying to reassure Orange that it's okay they aren't human or look like the others...
And this one is the most interesting, because it seems the whole thing about "pretending to have the odd one fit in" clearly upset Susie here. Normally, Susie isn't someone that would resort to back to "beating up enemies" like in Ch 1, but its clear that she didn't like the direction of how things were going that she forces the group to act in this way.
We know that Kris' whole thing is about how they feel different from the rest of the town for being the only human in a town full of monsters, right? Orange seems to be a reflection of this, yet it's SUSIE, not Kris, who empathises with Orange the most here, out of all of the 7 Flowers. They even have a whole thing about them being HUNGRY when we first meet them, and Susie has food insecurity.
The whole hiding the tail thing, humans not having tails, Susie trying to reassure Orange that it's okay to be different.
Guys. Do you not realise what this is all implying?
Could Susie have lived with humans...?
That's why Susie was triggered when they tried to pretend to be a mouse to make Orange fit in. Because that's what happened to her. Susie says that those who usually tried to be friends with her often did it as a joke.
Holy shit.
Orange is a parallel to younger Susie just like how Aqua is a parallel to younger Kris. (And note that cyan and orange as considered opposites/complimentary in UTDR with the whole "moving vs staying still" mechanics of the two.)
There's also the fact that Orange is the one who ends up becoming besties with Pink. Pink being the Kris + Player parallel... Orange and Pink is Susie and Kris. oh my god.
...AND NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THIS???
I genuinely do not understand how people are calling chapter 5 filler when it sets up so much about the games themes of escapism and being stuck in the past and how eventually you have to let go and move forward.
This is done through literally every aspect of the chapter like Asgoreās arc of moving on with his life and accepting what has happened before it hurts more people or Susie considering castle town her home (which is how both the chapter starts and ends) while also introducing more for her to care about in the light world in contrast (her relationship with Noelle).
But most importantly itās done through Ralsei, the focus point of the chapter, and his existence as āthe impossibilityā being directly brought into question by Flowery who both repeatedly challenges his ideals and also introduces the concept of beings who are somewhere between lightner and darkner. Which is seeming more and more likely to be what Ralsei is too.
This chapter feels like a distraction from the big plot revelations because thatās the point. āOne last adventure before the sun goes down.ā It reminds the player just how meaningful and fun the dark worlds have been just after their fate was brought into question through the prophecy.
If deltarune does end with the lightners having to let go of castle town / the dark worlds and the player having to let go of the game itās going to hit a lot harder with chapter 5 then it ever would without.
obsessed with kris using things the player can't see to communicate with other characters. drawing on the window in the diner. 80% as much honey on toast as usual. silly faces and nodding/shaking their head. changing the tone of what we make them say to make it clear that they mean it differently. i love that it's shown time and time again that kris ISN'T apathetic about anything. kris wants friends. kris has boundaries and wants mom to know that what she did made them feel bad. kris wants the people in their life to be happy and kris wants affection. i love kris deltarune
Iāve seen a lot of people calling weird route Noelle āChanged Noelleā like sheās some other person or being entirely now, and while I do think thereās some level of fantasy elements affecting her through the thorn ring and the soul, I also think it ignores so much of her character to act like sheās some completely different person than normal route Noelle. In reality theyāre just two sides of the same person brought out through contrasting experiences.
NR Noelle is a deeply troubled and hurting girl who finally gets a chance to heal, to find people and moments that make her not want to ārun awayā anymore. Thatās why Susie is so good for, sheās someone Noelle romanticised hurting her only to fall in love with the Susie who would never.
WR Noelle is a deeply troubled and hurting girl abused and taken advantage of by someone puppeting the body of her estranged best friend who she deeply longs to reconnect with. Someone she trusted would never hurt her only to be proven wrong in the opposite way to Susie.
Sheās still Noelle. Sheās who Noelle could have always been and who sheās been trying so hard NOT to be her whole life. But you forced her to become this. You pushed all of her worst traits she tried so hard to hide until they broke her beyond repair.
You did this.
She isnāt possessed, I donāt even think she knows sheās in a video game like Iāve seen so many people assume. All I see is a suicidal girl begging to break free from the cycle of quiet abuse her life has been for so long, now that itās gotten too bad to cope.
Sheās real. Under all the fantasy of the soul or the dark world, sheās a painfully real person having a painfully real breakdown.
You did this to her.
i knew it from the start

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There really was a lot of importan relationship moments taking place in or around water this chapter.
The cute Suselle confession at the lake
The Krusie angst at the water ledge
The Kralsei scene in the bath
And Kriselle and the, well⦠*gestures at the horrors*
This was indeed the Relationships Chapter!
I was thinking on it this morning a bit, and I suspect that perhaps a lot of people were frustrated with this chapter because they were expecting all this lore and answers and such, and instead we mostly just got stuff about the relationships, and people consider that...frivolous, I suppose?
But the reality of it is is that this chapter was basically Toby beating us over the head with a giant squeaky hammer labelled THE WAY THE CHARACTERS FEEL AND CARE ABOUT EACH OTHER IS GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE STORY YOU GUYS!!!
Toby Fox why must you always make my favourite characters / duos die in a glorified double suicideā¦
First Chara and Asriel and now Kris and Noelleā¦
āIf YOU could do something crazy right now, what would you do?ā
āIād jump out the window! Iād grow big angel wings, and fly as far as I can, gazing back at it allā¦ā
I know every suselle shipper under the sun (pun intended) has been drawing this scene but I HAD to okay
(we donāt talk about the weird route)
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