hey i have unfortunately become mired in trans discourse lately and i was trying to find what privileges people seem to think trans men have and found this
and well, they did not include sources for their claims, so i was wondering if you had come across anything to support or refute these stats since I believe you are a bit better read than i am in these areas. And also if you had thoughts on this „male privilege in comparison to xyz demographic“ especially as it relates to trans men (when the intersectionality here is entirely gender/sex related) because it doesnt sit right with me but i cant tell if thats bc i am resistant to the idea or if its bc it actually doesnt make total sense.
The thing is, studies that discuss wages, housing, hate crimes, etc have the same pitfalls that intimate partner violence and sexual assault studies do. Which I talked about here.
Trans people are underrepresented, trans people are misgendered in studies that includes them, trans people are often lumped in as one category in studies not about being trans, there is never clear distinction between stages of transition (ie trans man who goes by he/him and doesn't pass vs a trans man who passes well and is stealth) so what Trans Man are we comparing to what Trans Woman? Trans men are often extremely underrepresented in studies even about trans people ("4 out of 5 trans men had a great time versus only 25 of 40 trans women", and now in studies where we see more trans men than women, the bias is pointed out--which is good, but when it's only one side the biased results still win out). Sometimes a study comes out marginally higher for one side and then another study comes out marginally higher for the other, and then regardless of marginal difference one way or the other trans people as a whole are WILDLY disadvantaged compared to cis peers.
"Only 30% of trans men have to worry about this while 35% of trans women do" and then the stats for cis people are like 2% and 5% for cis people respectively.
The last thing I will say before getting into actual findings is that these people never use the word "intersectional" correctly, which is always a big red flag for me. First, marginalized identities are not multipliers for being "most oppressed" or to say, the inherent oppressed vs the inherent oppressor. Second, "who is the oppressed and who is the oppressor" is still contextual, and failing to grapple with that is how you get weaponized victimhood.
You can have a queer disabled neurodivergent woman and if she is racist to a Black cis man, she is still the "oppressor" in the situation. Power is situational, and so is oppression. For the thousandth fucking time, trans men are marginalized because of their gender. If they were not men, they would not be facing transphobia in this way. This is an experience that is not comparable to "poor men" "gay men" as classes--those classes (devoid of other intersections) assume cisness, which these men are not.
Now, all of this is using primarily US studies cause that's the perspective these debates come from, right? Occasionally the UK, or Canada and sometimes sparingly somewhere else in Europe but with no mention of even how non-English language affects transness let alone cultural and ethnic factors, and never with non-western, non-northern hemisphere perspectives included. Countries where people viewed as women are not viewed as people at all have some wildly different experiences when it comes to both gendered violence and transition opportunity. If your goal is to be a troll only, you can say "well women in x country are property so trans men cannot ever transition and trans women can retain male privilege" and that would be just as unhelpful and lacking in understanding anything about the situational nature of transness.
This cyclical argument is never about making things better, it is about being justified in one's isolationism and misery.
A widely held up study about the specific plight of trans women claimed that the average life expectancy of trans women was 35. This has filled people with fear for YEARS. I can't tell you how many birthdays I've seen where you celebrate having beaten the statistic. But it's not true. 30-35 was the high end age of Brazilian trans women who were murdered at the time. This is not a universal statistic. It is very specific and situational, and not just "trans women" but Brazilian trans women of color, most of whom were in sex work. Their race is a factor, their class is a factor, the lack of protections for sex workers is a factor. Brazilian politics is a factor. Many were elated to find out that they actually weren't doomed to die by 35. Others were upset to lose this stat as a talking point.
At the end of the day, information revealed that things were not as bleak as we thought, and this makes material difference in people's lives, especially the relief at no longer needing to count down to your assumed death. But if your motivation is internet fights splitting hairs, this was a blow to your arsenal. Different priorities I suppose.
Pay
This study says that for every dollar earned by "the typical worker", trans women make .60 while trans men "and nonbinary people" make .70. It raises a lot of questions about how many of each group were polled and also the association of trans men with nonbinary folks with no further explanation is not great, but sure, here is one that says that trans men make slightly more. The same study says that lesbians make .87 while bisexual women make .75. The gap between lesbians and bi women is larger than the gap between trans women and trans men (and nonbinary people I guess?), all trans people make less than cis people, and everyone is making less than cis men and even the "typical worker"
This Canadian study cited by American institutions actually separates nonbinary people by AGAB (and is seemingly the only to do so), and so while trans men in this situation actually were the highest group relatively across the board, they were still 20% below cis men at a maximum. And then it gets interesting when you look at NB folks, because nonbinary people assigned female at birth PLUMMET below all other trans people. I'm actually attaching the graph cause it's wild to look at.
According to this, trans men *do* slightly benefit but transmascs are extremely extremely behind everyone else. Do we take the average then or....?
Most other studies do not actually do their own polling and continually quote the study that said .70 trans men and .60 trans women, and then omit nb folks from the conversation.
Job Security
This study suggests similar unemployment rates among trans men and women (some others say a percent or two higher for trans women) but both have rates 2-3x higher than cis peers--9-16% vs 5.3% for cis folks.
The same study also says "those assigned female at birth tend to have lower incomes and are more likely to work part time than their similarly situated counterparts assigned male at birth."
BUT it also says that nonpassing out trans women receive harsher penalties than nonpassing trans men
AND suggests that gender pay discrepancy and job security comes more from the gap between trans men who pass and trans women who don't. Duh! Of course someone you think is a cis man is going to be out-rewarding people that someone thinks is a woman or specifically a trans woman.
Some studies from 2016 found that outing significantly increased the chances of a trans man being fired while not really increasing the chances for trans women, while more recent find similar rates.
Housing Security
An interesting 2019 study found that gender nonconforming people in general were at even higher rates of homelessness than trans people (and both were much higher than cis people). I can imagine there is a correlation between having the language to describe yourself and access to transition materials that correlates with having basic needs met, essentially "how many of these people are also trans but have no way to know or pursue transition and so are just gnc?" on top of just the chances that general nonconformity will get you kicked from your homes.
The Trevor Project found in 2022 that trans boys were slightly more likely to be homeless than trans girls, but race is much more of a factor than gender in disparity
This study suggests that trans men report extremely high rates of homelessness as well as an extreme lack of resources. The study wonders if the disparity is so high because of trans women being underrepresented in the study, which I agree with, but this is also a rare housing study where trans men DO heavily outnumber trans women reporting, and the same discrepancies can be observed. Essentially: the studies where there is actually a huge gap between trans women and trans men are the ones where there is disparity in polling. Go figure. Many studies for adults cannot meaningfully separate the two, and even the ones with bigger gaps pales in comparison to the rates for cis people, even cis women.
Hate Crimes
While trans men have higher rates of sexual violence (in several studies higher than cis women), the one category where trans women really take the cake is in murder. It is true that trans women are more likely to be victims of violent hate crimes, but the truth is that trans women of color are most likely. In 2024, 87% of trans murder victims were women of color. When comparing white trans people, there is significantly less difference, though still a higher rate for trans women. Race is again much more of a factor than gender alone in these scenarios, a staggering majority are women of color.
Survival Sex Work
Unfortunately we do not have good studies on trans people sex workers--partly due to the criminalization and partly due to gaps in who is talked about/permitted to speak. Essentially, there are comparable rates of unemployment, poverty, and homelessness between trans men and women and the pivot to sex work is comparable.
As lamented in this article by Professor Angela Jones, studies ONLY talk about trans women and never trans men (and assume any male sex workers are cis and that nonpassing trans men are women) but this is not simply just a case of erasing trans men, but also of demonizing trans women. These studies do not care about the safety, health, and livelihoods of trans women sex workers, but dare to mention them at all as public health crisis due to fears about HIV exposure. So everyone is really fucked in this, being erased and being accounted for are both bad.
Trans men are also typically at risk of pregnancy. In sex work, as victims of sexual violence, and in their daily lives. Also true of HIV, with a lot of cis studies on the matter forgetting about trans men entirely. And with pregnancy comes all the misogyny of reproductive care battles AND the transphobia of being a pregnant trans man--which, by the way, is the story of the first trans man I ever heard about. Deeply dehumanizing and condescending article, so warning for that.
Imprisonment
It's difficult to categorize rates when trans people are misgendered and sent to prisons that do not align with their gender, and often the only way that news reaches the outside is through LGBT orgs dedicated to this. There are lots of things that affect the results
Number fucking one always and forever is race
Trans men and women both are arrested at higher rates than cis peers
Background environment: foster care, homelessness, records from their youth, or 1. race 2. race, and 3. race
Trans men's hormones are controlled substances, where trans women's are not, though it's not clear how often that becomes an actual factor in criminalization vs a massive deterrent to DIY
Trans women are more likely to be violently attacked and if they fight back they are fucked. Trans men are more likely to be raped and if they fight back they are fucked
Old crossdressing laws seemed to hit trans men and trans women pretty evenly, with both at risk of sexual violence in jail.
AKA these days, jailtime is influenced by factors beyond trans identity or even gender, and all of those are influenced most by racism
Trans women are abused in prisons and handed over to violent inmates in what is called V-coding
Trans men are abused in prisons by staff and inmates, and it gets very little attention and are rarely included in prison studies at all
Healthcare
I noticed this was mysteriously absent from the list, and I'm sure I know why--it makes everyone very uncomfortable (cis and sometimes trans alike, it seems) to acknowledge the deep disadvantages trans men face in healthcare--particularly reproductive care. It's hard to dismiss trans men without dismissing cis women, and it's difficult to downplay the role of repro care for trans men without connecting what it means for trans women too. I think for some there is both resentment and disgust that trans men might choose to carry their own children, but whether its personal or the fear that highlighting an area where trans men may actually have it considerably worse, the thing I want to say is, this gap doesn't really matter either. At least not as a "gotcha."
Trans women also have a dogshit time in healthcare. Both are misgendered, have care redirected to their genitals, are assaulted by hospital staff, are held hostage to invasive questioning. And trans women are not not involved when it comes to repro care. So many trans women don't understand what's happening to them when they experience periods. They aren't thought of when it comes to new developed tissue (similarly, trans men aren't considered despite new studies showing growth of prostate tissue). They aren't thought of for post-bottom-surgery vaginal care. Reproductive care is about more than being pregnant. STI information, safe sex practices, and issues of sterilization impact trans women as much (if not in some cases more) than others, especially cis peers.
Trans women shouldn't be pushed out of the conversation, trans men are simply asking that we do not erase them.
So to sum up...no. lol There are some areas where trans men are marginally better off, but there are areas where trans women are marginally better off, and I don't think those areas deserve exceptionalism either. Every study polls very small populations within a small population, and a lot of the heavier statistics are hard to track due to criminalization or are stats that only exist once we are dead.
In no category is the difference between trans women and trans men a big one, incorporating nonbinary people and gnc into the mix makes it even less clear, the largest divide comes between passing trans men and nonpassing trans women, and studies assume closeted trans people are cis men and women respectively--where the gap between men and women is larger. And still, money made by a closeted trans woman paid cause they think she's a cis man is not really a privilege compared to the cost of inauthentic living. Beyond that, no gap between trans women and trans men is bigger than the gap between trans people and cis people. And beyond even that, all divide between trans women and trans men is also wildly eclipsed by the divide between white trans people of any gender and trans people of color, particularly (in the US) Black trans people.
White trans women have closer stats to trans men than either do with Black trans women. And STILL separatism isn't the answer. True intersectionality recognizes how struggle overlaps and how it might not.
What we need to do is make space for people to talk about their experiences. We need to recognize where we relate and where we don't. There is no one label that holds a person in the most marginalized position above all others, and it certainly isn't "woman"--this is TERF rhetoric.
The statistics are lacking, our representation and recognition is lacking. We are misgendered. We ALL have experiences outside of our gender identity--pre-transition, passing and not-passing. These "who has it worse" fights are both needlessly divisive but also misunderstands our experiences.
I had experiences as my AGAB before I knew I was trans. I had experiences when I knew but couldn't do anything about it. I faced barriers accessing transition care. For the entirety of my care. I had experiences when people assumed I was my AGAB, when people assumed I was the "opposite" cis gender, and when people were threatened because they weren't sure. I HAD binary trans experiences and cis experiences. And THEN I realized I was genderfluid. I've passed as "both" cis genders, I have passed as my desired gender, I have been read as neither or something else--with admiration and danger stemming from it. My fluidity has caused me to be mistaken for a range of things, and with it, treated as if I was that thing. It made me even more sympathetic to people whose gender identity I do not share.
I've seen white trans men who pass and are rewarded for seeming to be cis get sexually assaulted at the OBGYN. I've seen trans women wrestle with guilt because she knew she climbed ranks higher than her cis women peers before she came out, and now transition could cost her the position she has climbed to.
It's not cut and dry.
While we are shit-sling, trans folks are in material danger.
A 19 year old trans girl was stabbed to death at her uni. Now you could say "well, many trans people cant even go to college", or "the suspect is Black, would they be looking for the killer if he wasn't?" or "her identity is being concealed, out of privacy? Out of respect? For her family safety? How do we know she was a trans woman? Is this police speculation or did someone who knew her verify?" or "an american college student is not misgendered, but sex workers are deadnamed in their murder reporting"
All of these things are on some level worth considering, but in the long run, none of that weighs against how the college has been stoking anti-trans resentment and platforming nazis like TPUSA. None of it fucking matters next to murder. She is being treated differently to plenty of other trans coverage, and it's fair to wonder why--the intense effort of local community to honor her?--but she's still dead! And the context of her murder is not infighting, it's anti-trans posturing on campuses by cis people.
39 year old Lucas Redbeard Knapp was murdered defending someone from harassment, and the killers had been hostile towards him in the past for his trans identity, and nearly all reports of the incident leave out his murder, degender him, or vaguely reference that someone has been killed in favor of focusing entirely on the suspects, going even so far as to humanize them. Is erasure privilege? Is being omitted in the report of your own murder a sign of your overwhelming oppressor status?
Why are we doing this? What does this do? Who does any of this help?
We are getting nowhere with this while actual danger spreads. And at the end of the day, the people holding funerals, speaking out, fighting for our rights are fighting under united fronts. Trans men and trans women have been each others biggest champions in court, in legislation, in orgs--there IS a sense of unity among the ones doing the work out there.
I'm sorry to folks who have bitter resentment to the people in as much danger as them. I'm sorry to folks who think that oppressor is an inherent state and not something people opt into and out of all the time.
There IS no great divide between trans men and women. And frankly no great divide between the both of you and the rest of us nonbinary people these discourse stirrers love to forget about or sort into a binary to suit their arguments. And even beyond that, there is no great divide between trans and cis people--because cis people can realize they are trans, because all of us have been assumed cis at one point or another in our lives, and even cis people as a class are not our enemies, because they have a deep overlap in our struggles and have ALSO been some of our biggest champions.
These people want proof we are all segmented clans with hard borders and isolated fights? Look elsewhere.
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when two musicians sing into the same microphone and lean in very close to each other… like omg are you guys gonna kiss now to relieve the homoerotic tension?😳
Okay, but this is really important: Bruce Springsteen occupied this really weird place in music history. His songs were all from this pessimistic, nihilistic view of an America that had let him down:
Just like the anti-Vietnam War protest songs that we associate with the 1960s, or the early nihilism that spawned punk music in the 1970s. But he didn’t *sound* like a punk anarchist; he sounded like a country rock singer. When he released Born in the U.S.A. people completely misinterpreted (or possibly ignored) the lyrics in favor of the tone of the music.
Politicians used his music to promote their ‘Murica Yes! brand, and he had to literally explain that that was not what he was about. He’s over here asking when we’re going to have jobs and heathcare, not stanning the politicians who weren’t helping the people.
It was also kind of a big deal that he had an integrated band, because even as late as the 1980s music was still kind of segregated and MTV was straight up racist. They refused to play and promote black artists and then claimed that were no black artists in the first place. Michael Jackson’s record company had to threaten a boycott of their white artists to get MTV to play his Thriller video.
Plus, the first black/white interracial kiss on TV was in 1968 (OG Star Trek). Also it took us until the 70s to get sympathetic gay characters on screen, and the 90s to get gay characters to kiss onscreen. And all of those firsts were met with outrage.
So keep that in mind when you see Bruce Springsteen not just playing with an interracial band, but engaging in an interracial, gay kiss on stage repeatedly.
Passages from American Popular Music by Larry Starr and Christopher Waterman
I used to think that Bruce and Clarence kissing onstage was exuberance, showmanship, and telling racist homophobes to fuck off. Like, they picked up a certain kind of audience and went “Racist homophobes? Not in our house!” And started the kissing then but then I actually looked it up and
It was a story where… we remade the city. We remade the city, shaping it into the kind of place where our friendship and our love for one another wouldn’t have been such an exceptional thing. - Bruce Springsteen
It wasn’t about showmanship or rejecting bigots or anything it was just. Damn right that was one of the loves of his life and damn right he was going to kiss him onstage
It gets me a little that Bruce has had a divorce, that he’s been married twice, but he loved Clarence for the rest of Clarence’s life and will presumably love him the rest of his own
Clemons said in one interview. “Bruce and I looked at each other and didn’t say anything, we just knew. We knew we were the missing links in each other’s lives. He was what I’d been searching for.” In another version of the story, Clemons says “He looked at me, and I looked at him, and we fell in love.”
I’m having some emotions about it!
“He was elemental in my life,“ Springsteen adds, “and losing him was like losing the rain.”
Not just! I love you pure and deep and true but! I am going to love you like that in front of the whole damn world!
We have fewer narratives about taking risks and making statements for platonic love rather than romantic and supposedly it would be easier to downplay this onstage than romance and! They refused! They fucking refused! In front of hundreds of thousands of people, over the course of years! In the spotlight, in word and deed, I love you!
'Why does every nonbinary person want top surgery' I dunno maybe because having visible breasts immediately makes everyone assume you're female and only female, and therefore put you into a binary. Also why are you assuming every nonbinary person has breasts.
I think people who believe that should also put some thought into whether every nonbinary person with breasts actually wants top surgery, or whether they've just decided that the nonbinary people with breasts who want to keep them don't "count" as nonbinary.
#i know plenty of nonbinary people who want breasts or like their breasts#but they're viewed as either transtrenders or trans women in denial <- prev tags
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[ID: Six hands holding one another's wrists in a circle. From the top hand and moving clockwise, the text on the back of each hand reads:
Aroallos being portrayed as cruel, selfish manipulators for pursuing non-romantic, sexual relationships
Loveless folk, aplatonics, etc. being portrayed as cold, heartless and amoral
Partnering aspecs being held to an amatonormative standard in their relationships and/or having their relationships devalued
Non-partnering aspecs being portrayed as sad and lonely and being expected to conform to amatonormativity anyways
Alloaces being portrayed as abusers for pursuing non-sexual romantic relationships
In the center of the circle of hands, it reads, "Getting fucked over by amatonormativity, allonormativity, purity culture and relationship hierarchies." /end ID]
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it's always "did you really need to burn down your workplace to prove a point" and never "how was the revenge arson? did you have fun doing revenge arson? were the flames pretty?"
On the morning of April 7, 2026, a fire was started at the Kimberly-Clark Distribution Center in Ontario, California. It escalated to a six-alarm fire and took nearly twelve hours to extinguish. The facility was completely destroyed and declared a "total loss". There were no injuries or deaths. An employee who was working in the warehouse is accused of arson.
Authorities stated that the employee had shared videos of himself starting the fire on Facebook, saying "all you had to do was pay us enough to live" and "there goes your inventory" while lighting pallets of toilet paper ablaze.
ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS PAY US ENOUGH TO LIVE
No injuries. No deaths. This was a protest fire. This is why unions are important, to prevent frustrations like these, to ensure people are paid enough to live.
lvl 1: the plural of octopus is octopuses because the plural version of a word is the word with an s at the end
lvl 2: the plural version of octopus is octopi because if a word ends with "us" the plural version replaces the "us" with "i" e.g. cactus -> cacti and fungus -> fungi
lvl 3: actually, that rule is only for latin words. octopus is a greek word and the correct plural is octopuses or octopodes
lvl 4: actually, language is descriptive not prescriptive. since enough people over time have used octopi as the plural for octopus, it's a valid plural
lvl 5: the plural of octopus is octopeese, like geese
Lvl 6: My Marine Biology professor told me it was technically “Octopods” to bring it in line with “Cephalopod,” but that if the class is falling asleep you can call them “Octopussies”
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the Worlds Normalest Girl is rereading her texts with her friend for the fifth time today because shes worried shes somehow wrong about the date and time they arranged two weeks ago
[image text: "At least 85 people, almost all of them young girls, have been killed in an air strike on a primary school in southern Iran, the Iranian judiciary said.
The attack on Saturday morning hit Shajareh Tayyebeh schoolin the city of Minab, in Hormozgan province, as the United States and Israel began launching strikes on targets across Iran.
The victims were between seven and 12 years old, according to Iran's Tasnim and Fars news agencies." End id]
remember this any time someone tells you that the west needs to take military action against a country to liberate its citizens. this is what happens to civilians when the west wages war against a country
