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Here's the thing, and a lot of people will not like this, you do kind of have to be as harsh with people of color and people not in majority positions of power about certain really fucked up aspects of their society as you are with people in majority groups.
The population of Native controlled territories in the US as 15% enslaved black people at the time of the american civil war. Immediately after emancipation and accelerating after the end of the war, the Choctaw and other tribes began the wholesale extermination of the black freedmen rather than allow them their freedom.
Black americans were shot on sight if seen walking around outside designated areas on slaveholding reservations, and their skulls were turned into decorations and markers.
No one deserves to be genocided for any reason. no one deserves to lose their land and have their culture supressed. But please do not pretend like anti blackness and fucking over black people is somehow a solely white institution. Misogyny, homophobia, enslavement, racial hatred, are not something that just happened to seep out of white society and accidentally ended up in other people groups. It was already there.
Any attempt to whitewash crimes against humanity, and specifically the wholesale slaughter and enslavement of Black people, committed by certain Indigenous peoples is not meaningfully different than irish people saying "well the Irish were enslaved too!" as a cop out, or the nation of Dahomey saying they somehow didn't know that the millions of black bodies (of their enemy nations) they shipped off for centuries were never coming back.
It is a cop out by way of adjacency to oppression.
Your black friends can be transphobic and your transgender friends are almost certainly racist.
It's not possible or desirable to purge yourself of all guilt and culpability, or to walk around all day flagellating yourself, but you do have to acknowledge that things happened. As soon as you believe you and your people are the perfect victims of history and can do no wrong, or that every wrong has to be allowed because of how hard done you are, you just end up making israel.
This link floated across my dash but I can't seem to find who posted it
The inside story of Peter Thiel's MKUltra by someone who thinks it was kind of good, actually.
And man, I am just fascinated by the sheer number of cults that float around a movement called "rationalism".
Quick critical thinking lesson:
Then Geoff posed a thought experiment: What if Tyler took a pill, then started floating off the ground, and touched down five minutes later — then would Tyler feel that he needed to use a scientific tool in order to trust his own observations? What if Tyler took another pill from the same jar, and the second time he took the pill he floated off the ground, then touched down five minutes later? How long would it take for Tyler to conclude that each pill made him float for five minutes?
Anybody who says something like this is trying to recruit you to a cult, sell you snake oil, or both, 100% of the time no exceptions.
"If I keep proving that I can guess which card you picked out of the deck, why would you ever bother to examine the deck?"
I have a lot more to say, maybe, when I'm less tired. Lydia Laurensen is also a real odd duck.
Speaking of not being able to admit what your actual politics are, after skimming that incredibly long article Laurensen wrote about Leverage, I also somehow read this one as well.
And a few things that happened while I was there
It's paywalled now, so I don't know if it was previewed for a while, or if I accidentally pressed the button that gave me my one free article, or what, but I did read the whole thing.
The executive summary is that, like a truly surprising number of people the George Floyd riots broke her brain, and she gravitated towards a neoreactionary discord because they were actually willing to listen about her feelings of stress about living in the St Paul Minneapolis region and not really knowing how to deal with the riots without calling her a racist.
I don't really care about that part, riots are scary, I've often found that, especially back then left-wingers had a tendency to psychoanalyze you and explain why you were making an argument from internalized racism or whatever and right-wingers were often more able to argue directly which is, honestly, easier to deal with. "You're wrong" is a more respectful and less disorienting way to argue than, "I bet so-and-so only thinks this way because he's secretly a conservative."
The real question, which she not only never addresses and in fact seems totally unaware of, is what the fuck Curtis Yarvin was even doing there.
According to Laurensen, both now and at the time she was obsessed with the fear that increasing polarization would lead to a civil war and the final collapse of the American government, and she is intensely patriotic.
So when Yarvin sent a message to the group saying he was looking for a new fiancee (???) she thought, in her words, "What's the worst that could happen?"
So, like... Your mental health is suffering because you're afraid that increasing polarization will lead to the collapse of the government, and you're wondering what is the worst thing that could happen if you get engaged to a man who is funded by billionaires with the explicit project of increasing political polarization until the US government collapses and is replaced by an authoritarian government?
I mean... like, just off the top of my head...
It's so weird, she even brings up the leopards eating faces cliche, and like, she seems put out by it and thinks it's unfair, but she also wrote this whole article where in the middle she says, essentially, "I was having nightmares about face eating leopards, and the danger they posed to the country, so when the head of the Face Eating Leopards Party asked for a fiancee, I thought, hey, why not?"
She's a really overly wordy writer, but she is so accidentally revealing that it almost comes off as a bit.
We need some sort of "Horseshoe but rotated 90 degrees theory" for this kind of thing, where you continuously talk about your centrism and then read Yarvin and go, "Sure, can't see anything wrong with this!"
In these kind of narratives, it's always hard for me to tell what's genuine naivetee and what's self-aggrandizing lies.
One thing I noticed very early on as a child was the way that Christians who claimed to have converted from militant atheism often seemed to have pretty much no grasp of the most common atheist arguments or skeptical culture.
Took a lot longer for me to realize "Oh wait a lot of them are just liars".
Here's a free article which is different but goes over more or less the same territory, including the complete lack of explanation as to why someone who was so concerned with politics and polarization was hanging around with Yarvin.
What cancel culture reveals and conceals about redemption
someday someone will figure out what it is about being into rationalism that makes someone crazy. Like, even people who I like on this very website that are former LessWrong types will fall into these kinds of really really bizarre thoughtforms about AI where it's not clear why they're arguing against something because they don't actually hold the contrary position and aren't even playing devils advocate. There's just something about the failure to follow a certain script in other peoples arguments and logic that really grabs some people. idk. anyone ever done a survey of rationalism as a fertile substrate for cults in the same way the hippie movement was as well?
This link floated across my dash but I can't seem to find who posted it
The inside story of Peter Thiel's MKUltra by someone who thinks it was kind of good, actually.
And man, I am just fascinated by the sheer number of cults that float around a movement called "rationalism".
Quick critical thinking lesson:
Then Geoff posed a thought experiment: What if Tyler took a pill, then started floating off the ground, and touched down five minutes later — then would Tyler feel that he needed to use a scientific tool in order to trust his own observations? What if Tyler took another pill from the same jar, and the second time he took the pill he floated off the ground, then touched down five minutes later? How long would it take for Tyler to conclude that each pill made him float for five minutes?
Anybody who says something like this is trying to recruit you to a cult, sell you snake oil, or both, 100% of the time no exceptions.
"If I keep proving that I can guess which card you picked out of the deck, why would you ever bother to examine the deck?"
I have a lot more to say, maybe, when I'm less tired. Lydia Laurensen is also a real odd duck.
Speaking of not being able to admit what your actual politics are, after skimming that incredibly long article Laurensen wrote about Leverage, I also somehow read this one as well.
And a few things that happened while I was there
It's paywalled now, so I don't know if it was previewed for a while, or if I accidentally pressed the button that gave me my one free article, or what, but I did read the whole thing.
The executive summary is that, like a truly surprising number of people the George Floyd riots broke her brain, and she gravitated towards a neoreactionary discord because they were actually willing to listen about her feelings of stress about living in the St Paul Minneapolis region and not really knowing how to deal with the riots without calling her a racist.
I don't really care about that part, riots are scary, I've often found that, especially back then left-wingers had a tendency to psychoanalyze you and explain why you were making an argument from internalized racism or whatever and right-wingers were often more able to argue directly which is, honestly, easier to deal with. "You're wrong" is a more respectful and less disorienting way to argue than, "I bet so-and-so only thinks this way because he's secretly a conservative."
The real question, which she not only never addresses and in fact seems totally unaware of, is what the fuck Curtis Yarvin was even doing there.
According to Laurensen, both now and at the time she was obsessed with the fear that increasing polarization would lead to a civil war and the final collapse of the American government, and she is intensely patriotic.
So when Yarvin sent a message to the group saying he was looking for a new fiancee (???) she thought, in her words, "What's the worst that could happen?"
So, like... Your mental health is suffering because you're afraid that increasing polarization will lead to the collapse of the government, and you're wondering what is the worst thing that could happen if you get engaged to a man who is funded by billionaires with the explicit project of increasing political polarization until the US government collapses and is replaced by an authoritarian government?
I mean... like, just off the top of my head...
It's so weird, she even brings up the leopards eating faces cliche, and like, she seems put out by it and thinks it's unfair, but she also wrote this whole article where in the middle she says, essentially, "I was having nightmares about face eating leopards, and the danger they posed to the country, so when the head of the Face Eating Leopards Party asked for a fiancee, I thought, hey, why not?"
She's a really overly wordy writer, but she is so accidentally revealing that it almost comes off as a bit.
We need some sort of "Horseshoe but rotated 90 degrees theory" for this kind of thing, where you continuously talk about your centrism and then read Yarvin and go, "Sure, can't see anything wrong with this!"
In these kind of narratives, it's always hard for me to tell what's genuine naivetee and what's self-aggrandizing lies.
One thing I noticed very early on as a child was the way that Christians who claimed to have converted from militant atheism often seemed to have pretty much no grasp of the most common atheist arguments or skeptical culture.
Took a lot longer for me to realize "Oh wait a lot of them are just liars".
Here's a free article which is different but goes over more or less the same territory, including the complete lack of explanation as to why someone who was so concerned with politics and polarization was hanging around with Yarvin.
What cancel culture reveals and conceals about redemption
someday someone will figure out what it is about being into rationalism that makes someone crazy. Like, even people who I like on this very website that are former LessWrong types will fall into these kinds of really really bizarre thoughtforms about AI where it's not clear why they're arguing against something because they don't actually hold the contrary position and aren't even playing devils advocate. There's just something about the failure to follow a certain script in other peoples arguments and logic that really grabs some people. idk. anyone ever done a survey of rationalism as a fertile substrate for cults in the same way the hippie movement was as well?
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the worst writing crime you can ever commit in my opinion is watering down the dirty talk because you’re self-conscious that it sounds like it’s from a bad porno…..i cannot stress this enough……leave it alone. the moment you tell yourself he would not fucking say that you’re doomed. people will say almost anything if their dick is hard enough
and listen, everyone wants to think "ohhh i'm totally cool with really cringey realistic dirtytalk"
no.
It's Stephen King. Ok? all the fucking INSANE gross shit characters say in Stephen King novels? That's how regular uncool people used to talk. The baby boomers dirty talk sounded like Stephen King dialogue, especially in that a painfully sizeable number of people were trying to either spit out a catch phrase (boomers I know personally tried to have catch phrases!) or just rattling off an ad tagline.
in flagrante, even! in the pussy someone would recite a burma-shave rhyme.
to be cringe is to be free. and in the case of the boomers, I think it meant reverting to their base programming which was unmitigated television advertisement. if millenials reached that kind of lead poisoned unburdened zen, they might be firing off famous Vines or youtube poop during climax.
in part I think the discourse around "the amazing digital circus" is stupid because I think anyone trying to prove an online creator is secretly an evil racist based on screenshots is always stupid. People do not encode secret racism in their artwork to further a secret racist agenda. It's always super super super super obvious every time because nazis are not good at this. crypto fascists are always out and proud but are calling themselves something one letter removed like the Blazi Party for National Centrism and they say all the sig heil shit but with enough of the serial numbers filed off that you can't officially legally ban them in germany. Everyone knows they're a racist it's just that by social convention we are compelled to pretend the guy making biblical rules for warfare (how to loot and burn for christ) in the state senate is just a fiscal conservative. anyway.
I also think it's stupid because TADC looks like colorful tripe for hot topic Fandom infants and all the characters are named shit like moogle and rimple dee and fafney and The Proper Noun and shit. like fuck you man I've got grey hairs and pay taxes I am not engaging with this stupid bullshit I got Harlan Ellison at home. I have artwork with homosexuals and transgenders in it that doesn't trigger a migraine when I look at it.
i'm biased because the first time I saw TADC referenced it was someone doing algo slop for unloved ipad babies where the hosts got the weird quaaludes voice that goes down and trails on too long at the end of every sentence.
i think people online should accuse each other of being deeply sick people more often. got told on twitter "something in your soul is detached and broken" and like. MAYBE! this is the right way to speak to people. if you think it
something interesting about how the masculinity was significantly less toxic in some ways in the past.
Like, the figure of Audie Murphy, americas most highly decorated war hero, is so fascinating to me in this regard. He looks, respectfully, like a massive pussy to modern eyes. If you stripped his story of context, descriptors, and just asked a screenwriter to make an action movie based on his exploits, you'd get a giant, jacked, grizzled, unsmiling murder machine cast in his role.
The real man Audie Murphy was a very sensitive, sweet, short, sad person who killed more nazis than possibly any individual in that war, and he cried all the time, and hated himself, and didn't do all the typical macho man shit that we'd expect.
and like, frankly, a lot of the stuff we now hold up as macho man virtue was just. not there. in the past. You drank your whiskey with water even if you were a real badass, because you drank whiskey in the middle of the day and it wasn't becoming to be hammered, and also the whiskey burns a bit and what the hell have you got to prove?
People drank coffee with sugar and cream even if they were some real leatherneck because why the fuck would you not do that if it was available?
Like, it's of course a very tired trope, but the people who actually beat ass and worked hard jobs and did all the stuff we assign masculine virtue to, they really weren't hung up on the shit we are now.
Real manly men wore pink and drank fruity cocktails and often hugged and kissed other men on the cheek and physically touched other men often.
and people were still gay back then too! Like, people weren't unaware of gay guys! It's just that people were far far less concerned with seeming "gay" back then (in some ways) compared to how we are now.
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duuuuuude you have GOT to come out tonight we're enacting cruelty upon those who have transgressed so badly that we can justify any act against them... and you KNOW we're interpreting our delight as moral righteousness... Yeah it's fucking crazyyyyyyy get an Uber
if you make comparison to the holocaust or slavery in arguments about vegetarianism I will kill you on the spot.
White people will value the life of an animal over a non white person every time man.
also.
the reason to eat meat is to extract nutrients from land that is otherwise unfit for agriculture.
It would make sense to have roving herds of cattle on relatively arid land because the cattle will eat grasses growing naturally that you as a human cannot digest. The wild growing stuff being able to grow there despite a lack of water, and all that.
The reason we have problems with beef in the US is that we are trucking in food and water for the cattle and draining the Oglala aquifer.
Like. Listen. I have issues with the contemporary Landback movement due to its trajectory since around 2021ish getting real intellectual and stupid, but I think an incredibly reasonable Landback position from a practical standpoint is to transition large swathes of beef grazing land into open range for buffalo. The tatanka is well suited to the plains and is a large meat producing animal that requires relatively little assistance and maintenance. It will mean the end of cheap beef in the US, but frankly, I think a lot of people are going plant based anyway. With the advent of drones and tracking tags and all that, ranching buffalo is a doable proposition for fixing the water crisis out west. it would allow for the beef stock to be of higher quality as well, since we wouldn't need to overproduce with such low quality.
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i think a lot of stuff isn't actually a kink you just enjoy it. getting flogged on the ass is a kink, you don't have a kink for rolled shirt sleeves you just like it but we are compelled to pathologize behaviors due to a societal repulsion towards earnestness. You can't say you just find some sexual gratification in the qualities of a partners voice, you have to have a fetish because there must be a category, a box you can tick. this isn't because you are stupid or foolish, it's because we have allowed an all consuming enlightenment obsession with categorization and archiving and secularism to overtake all human experience. The messy and ineffable nature of individual sexuality replaced with category. gender wiki and such.
Next up someone is going to claim that the Narnia series isn't kids books.
Kids books is probably not the best way to word it, you can enjoy them at every age, including your childhood, as you get older you may find new truths in them, but they're still good for any age.
I want you to understand this. I NEED you to understand this. My mother read me the hobbit as bedtime story, and I started pushing myself to read before pre-school so I could in fact read the hobbit for myself instead of having to wait for bedtime.
I didn't do so right away but jesus wept I PUSHED myself to learn to read SPECIFICALLY so I could read The Hobbit! It is, in fact, a children's story! And children only see page count as 'there is a lot of this fun story to read!'
in the third grade I read the novel dracula over and over again until by the time I was in highschool I think I had read it like 30 times or thereabouts?
I read various Michael Crichton novels in middle school.
I wasn't even a terribly smart child. It simply never occured to me or anyone else that something would or would not be appropriate for a child.
Kids used to watch beheadings at the county fair as a formative bonding experience with their parents, there is effectively nothing you could put in a book that would be actively bad for a child. If they're interested enough to read it, barring something extreme, it's probably fine.
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