Aravo Celta

On the most zoomed out and least loaded level I can think of, it is basically axiomatic that large military operation by any organized and armed force will commit some atrocities. It's one of the reasons people say (but mostly don't believe) that crimes of aggression are the most serious and foundational war crimes of all. Despite this, basically no one on here who has ever picked a side in a conflict as 'the good ones' seems capable of accepting their guys might have done a massacre or tortured prisoners or abused civilian populations.

Certainly people seem incredibly resistant to accepting that states or administrations (or even specific policies and projects) that they consider praiseworthy has some price in blood and tears. The reaction to first-hand accounts of said price are usually reacted to as entirely bad-faith propaganda.

there's the denialist, as you say, they think any personal experience with an army or state project or political group or what have you that's bad is fake or exaggerated.

then you get moral scrupulosity. So, if you find something distasteful or vile in something like the operation of national parks, that means burn the thing down. Zealotry of the convert, second opinion bias, no one anywhere is allowed to have a bad or subpar time and anything that has ever caused harm must be damned in the strongest terms.

then you get the patriot. If your confronted with the idea that your chosen "side" in a war or gender war or any kind of thing has done wrong, you openly embrace the cruelty as being a good and even necessary thing. This is the type where they post a meme of stalin with a big spoon any time someone says their family starved under the soviets.

"My contention is that prior to the Trojan war, the political structures of the Greek kingdoms, especially in the island territories could most aptly be characterized as...

Ofc that's your contention. You're a young aristocrat who just finished listening to some wandering poet, probably that hack from Pylos. You'll be convinced of that until next month when you hear the bard from Sparta. Then you'll be taking about how the kingdoms of Mycenae and Thebes were models of divine rulership back in our grandfathers' time. That will last until next year when you're back to regurgitating Mentor's speeches about the sacred bonds between king and people and the divine right of succession.

"Well as a matter of fact I won't because Mentor completely overlooks the importance of...

"Mentor completely overlooks the importance of the council of elders in tempering royal authority, especially in matters of inheritance..." you got that from Halitherses' speech at last year's spring festival, right? Yeah, I heard that too. Were you going to plagiarize the whole thing for us? Do you have any thoughts of your own on this matter? Or is that your thing. You come to a feast, quote some elder, and pawn it off as your own idea to impress Penelope and embarrass my son Telemachus?"

Some ammount of time after watching one of his movies I would find myself saying "wait a minute. that was fucking STUPID."

Like, I didn't care that Oppenheimer wasn't a piece self flagellating about the atomic bombing of Japan, or about any other injustices involved with the creation of the bombs. I was willing to go with it being just about the man himself.

but at some point they give a weird teaser of JFK? Like he's appearing in the next avengers?

and. listen. The idea that the "I am become death" line comes from Oppie reading it off his manic pixie dreamgirl mistresses tits sounds like a bit from The Critic. That's a sketch from The Critic where someone has the whacky idea to make an erotic thriller about the father of the atom bomb. He reads his combo meter line, his fucking atomic bomb limit break line, he reads it off of a ladies tits and so we are to assume that when he says the line offscreen (Nolan feels he's too smart to put much into the filming of the actual bomb going off, or to show us Oppenheimer reacting immediately after the bombing of Japan) that in the world of this film, Robert J. Oppenheimer feels the culmination of his horrible works and thinks "aw sick this is like when I got my old man peanits jerked off by that cool intellectual chick and I said all that philosophical stuff."

or, and I won't get in to it, watching The Prestige and just thinking for a a while about it later and going "hey wait this was stupid." about any number of plot elements.