Just found out that a lot of people think Janus needs to apologize to Roman first, which tells me yβall arenβt ready to hear my take on why Logan shouldnβt necessarily have had to apologize to Roman in LNTAO

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Just found out that a lot of people think Janus needs to apologize to Roman first, which tells me yβall arenβt ready to hear my take on why Logan shouldnβt necessarily have had to apologize to Roman in LNTAO

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well really, itβs about time
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Thomas implying Logan was lying to Remus when he was reasoning with him in WTIT is actually the worst thing thatβs happened to me this year
so more about this patreon chat mod issue because i didnβt think people not on patreon would care so i didnβt include a lot of details. here are some more if you care/are concerned. god knows i am.
at the beginning of july there was a long text post published to the patreon addressing various things about the new asides, how long it was taking & why, talking about the new awkward adventures stuff, & other things, but most importantly at the end of the post thomas says theyβve hired some new people to the team. hereβs a snippet of that part.
all well & fine, i was happy thomas was getting more help. we honestly didnβt really see much of a shift about things other than occasionally there would be references to a new woman on some streams; her name is lauren & thomas calls her their manager. sheβs pretty cool. we like lauren.
today however, as usual i opened the stream an hour early & the chat was filled with the usual pre-stream discussions, jokes, & memes. most of you arenβt patreons so let me tell you what the chat is like; EXTREMELY buggy. even thomas has complained multiple times that he canβt scroll back up in the chat to see a message he was reading once it disappeared into the ether. so unfortunately, i donβt have any screenshots of the chat right now, youβll have to take my word on all this. i apologize. if something happens & i can cap it before it disappears, know that i will try my best
so about five minutes before the stream officially started we got a long post from someone named βModeratorβ in the chat. i was AFK at the time but was on call with @nonchimericalβ who was watching the chat right then. she said the message seemed fairly reasonable other than the no swearing rule, but since the chat actively moves, it was long gone before i got back. i imagine many, many people missed that message since the pre-stream chat is very small & most people only join 5-10 minutes after itβs started.
this is my first issue with this stream having a mod. we werenβt notified in a fair way, have no clue what the rules are, what the etiquette is, etc. i use the community manager announcement as an example that the team is very capable of bringing attention to a decision like this. we were told when brie was hired, when we got a new producer & the manager. why werenβt we notified in detail about a chat moderator? these streams are small, only 300-500 people attend each, we all basically know each other or recognize each otherβs names. in my opinion, the only reason we needed a mod in the first place was to keep people from moderating each other about not spamming & stuff. but anyway. onto the next point.
to say that the chat is buggy is an understatement. the entire stream is buggy. thomasβ camera disconnects sometimes, the audio cuts out, becomes gargled - sometimes the stream just stops altogether & thomas always takes a good 5-15 minutes to catch on to the fact that anything is wrong in the first place. i thought, well having a mod will solve that! certainly thomas will be in direct communication with a mod like that or at least notice mod messages easier than normal mod messages! but no. that was too much to hope for evidently. when thomas started the game, it was very small in the left corner. we couldnβt see anything but him for a solid 10 minutes. the entire prologue of the game was lost to us. the moderate said to thomas, a couple times in the chat, that this was an issue. when thomas finally noticed & switched the camera & screen capture, it wasnβt due to the moderator messages but because people in the chat were spamming about it. as usual.
this is the way itβs always been in the streams; itβs a joke at this point we all laugh about. we send repeat messages shouting βHEY THOMAS, GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER /AFFECIONATE,β THOMAS, CAMERA,β βoh no did anyone elseβs audio go out?,β βthomas we canβt hear you ):β yes itβs a problem that this happens in the first place but itβs a problem of the website he uses, not his equippment. under the new mod rules, this is considered spamming. thomas is equally not paying attention to what the mod says, which is a very big issue, in & of itself.
so i wonβt spoil what the stream actually is right now but iβll say weβre playing a game that has the concept of βHPβ in it. thomas joked that βHPβ stood for βhonesty potential.β this game is very queer, which will make the fact that someone in the chat joked that βHPβ stood for βhomo pointsβ very funny, even if the sanders sides community wasnβt overwhelmingly queer. even if thomas himself wasnβt a literal homosexual.
the moderator saw someone say βhomo points,β @βd them, & told them to βwatch their languageβ & to βnot use slurs in chat.β
iβm sorry. what?
quite a few people in the chat at that point called that out, saying that in the situation, this clearly wasnβt being used as a slur, & my main issue is, if we canβt use homo/homosexual in any way, shape, or form, we are admitting its primary use is a slur rather than an identity. itβs fucking problematic as well. itβs giving our identity to the bigots, weβre handing them that word with that way of thinking.
reclamation of slurs aside, the immediate context clearly wasnβt taken into account with this reprimanding. in a chat this small, in a fandom like this, i think thatβs a major issue. context matters, & that is my second issue, now with this mod personally. if youβre going to mod a chat, know the fandom. know the environment youβre in & the kinds of jokes we have here or else you seem like a stranger in our house rather than someone helpful.
moving on, the other big issue i have with this mod is the no swearing rule. itβs so fucking hypocritical. thomas & the people thomas has on his streams swear regularly. thomas has encouraged/permitted the people he streams with to swear. & yet not ten minutes ago did someone in the chat get @βd & reprimanded for using the word βdamnβ in a fairly innocuous sentence.
a smaller, but annoying problem that has also happened in this stream so far is that the chat started spamming βFβ for the βF in the chat meme.β after maybe fifteen of them rapidly in a row, the mod told everyone to stop the spamming. i know for a fact 99% of the people in this fandom understand the F in the chat meme. i know for a fact that most of the people in this fandom are familiar with streamming etiquette, which calls for some tasteful spamming occasionally. this mod had no clue what that meme was & when thomas saw every spamming F, he laughed. thomas got it. why didnβt the mod?
look. i donβt mind the chat having a mod. i think it could be very useful for stopping the more annoying/unnecessary spam & especially, if implemented correctly, to mitigate some technical issues. but this specific moderator isnβt clued in on the fandom & has unrealistic/hypocritical standards for a chat like this. i think either the mod needs to spend some time learning what a chat actually looks like & what this fandom is about or thomas needs to get someone different.
Another issue I see is Thomas mentioned at the start of stream that we have a moderator now, and specifically said the people in chat donβt have to moderate ourselves anymore. The stream chats have a huge problem with policing and dogpiling, I was hoping the moderator would be on top of this, itβs the most obvious issue chat side during streams.
But no, when the community responded to the moderator on the βhomopointsβ issue, something the mod needed to be checked on, many people responded, some coming in after the others because of lag, typing speed, whatever. And then we of course got a flood of people policing those people, and the mod does nothing.
The vote for the stream this month was between this gaming idea, and discussion of the new Asides. It was put to a vote for the patrons, and this option won by a very narrow margin, and honestly, Iβm so glad this mod was put into place for this stream, and not on a stream about a Remus Asides. With the topics involved and Remus in general, and how little the mod has shown so far to know about the community, I canβt imagine it would have gone over well.

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canβt believe the patreon chat now has a mod that yells at people for swearing when thomas swears regularly on the stream & yells at people for sayingΒ βhomoβ &Β βhomosexualβ when this is an overwhelmeingly queer community.
thank god we didnβt get this chat mod on a stream about the Asides. How do you even enforce this with Remus involved?
Patreon stream mod said no Fs in the chat, no respect smh
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Janusβ expression here is something to be talked about. I feel likeΒ βregretβ is too strong of a word, just asΒ βsadβ has always been too harsh of a judgement for his playlist. I prefer βmelancholy,β as @beauty-and-passion said in their playlist analysis. Everything about Janus represents the bittersweet in life. There is no good without bad, no bad without good. Heβs a neutral force between theΒ βLightβ &Β βDarkβ Sides. Just as the Roman god Janus represents beginnings, endings, & transitioning spaces such as doorways & gates, so does our Janus represent that middle ground.
In the face of this episodeβs chaos, he says with grief that everything is just β¦ fine. Of course he knows that nothing is fine. As everyone gives their sly digs at each other, the mural in the background is begging the Sides to stay connected. Work together. Donβt allow yourself to be so separated between good & bad because at the end of the day, there is no such thing.
Janus is Denial; Deceit, & Self Preservation. He fights for whatever Thomas wants that is ultimately good for Thomas. Not in the same hands on & direct way that Logan does, but in his own puppet master, string-pulling way that hides him in the shadows. Declaring that everything is just fine is not malicious, is not evil; Janus is neither.Β
Janus is comfort.Β
Denial is comforting.
All the distraction in the world sometimes pales in comparison to simply telling yourself that everything is fine, & then forcing yourself to push through until it is.
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has anyone gifed logan blocking the keyblade with his arm cause that was hotter than it had any right to be
you were right so i went ahead
Janus is God - Right?
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Janus in the tree there biting a (green) apple obviously reeks of religious imagery. He is the snake of temptation in the garden of Eden, holding onto the fruit that bestowed knowledge onto Adam & Eve. Iβm almost tempted to factor in his gloves with how particular & specific this imagery is. Much like in the court room scene, we can speculate that he wasnβt touching a Bible while he swore to the truth because of his gloves. Is he, then, not touching the sin of the apple in the same way until he takes that definitive bite? A very fun question I think.
But to tie this framing into Remusβ religious imagery - Remus himself represents the fruit of knowledge. His debut song was all about welcoming Thomas into the forbidden knowledge that is himself & his intrusive thoughts, after all.
Janus clutching the apple in his hands & taking of a bite of it then represents very clearly that he is in control of this forbidden knowledge - in control of Remus, at the very least. As Denial, he is the keeper of Thomasβ most scandalous &Β clandestine secrets. We saw it in the Patreon poster art as well; Remus kept in a box on the top shelf with Janus holding the key. Though that analogy can be naturally extended to say he is keeping all of the Sides locked up in their respective casing, which I think is very close to the truth.
This scene was very clever imagery however. It orchestrated that Janus really does have an undefined but potentially vast amount of control over the Sides. From his position off away from the others, above them in a tree, observing them, & then passing an approving judgement thatΒ βeverything is fine,β on the situation - he had the last say (ignoring Orangeβs brief appearance). Much like God, Iβd like to think. He is, after all, based loosely on the Roman god of beginnings & endings - Alpha & Omega - much like the Christian God.
I canβt wait to see how much more power he has. What he is actually capable of. How much string pulling heβs doing behind the scenes. I know everyone is very excited for Orange (& intrulogical, naturally) but I think this sort of cliffhanger for us Janus stans has a lot of potential.
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Can you draw a grumpy Roman?
I must now add this screenshot of toddler sim Roman I took last night

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SAINT BERNARDΒ byΒ LINCOLNΒ ::Β i said make me love myself so that i might love you // don't make me a liar, 'cause i swear to god // when i said it i thought it was true
PUTTING THE DOG TO SLEEPΒ byΒ THE ANTLERS ::Β prove to me i'm not gonna die alone // put your arm around my collarbone // & open the door // you said, "i can't prove to you you're not gonna die alone // but trust me to take you homeβ
YOU ARE THE MOONΒ byΒ THE HUSH SOUND ::Β darkness, darkness everywhere, do you feel all alone? // the subtle grace of gravity, the heavy weight of stone // you don't see what you possess, a beauty calm & clear // it floods the sky & blurs the darkness like a chandelier
BOATS & BIRDSΒ byΒ GREGORY & THE HAWK ::Β if you be my star // i'll be your sky // you can hide underneath me & come out at night // when I turn jet black & you show off your light // i live to let you shine