so this ask is about to be very very long........ i'm sorry but i literally spent whole day on researching and didn't find this exact information (i don't trust old forums, i go here because there are people who practice this up to this day and have their own experience). for context, i'll mean lucifer or satan here because satanism/luciferianity is totally my thing
first of all, i figured out the difference between worshipping and being devoted. but what does "working with deity" means?
second. so i have no actual way of knowing that they respond to me? i self-doubt all the time, i won't be able to just trust my guts i'm afraid
third. is there a certain way of praying? i've been doing this for months now, anddd let's just say some people think i'm cringe for this
four. remembering my second question here, i'm not ~very~ religious, and i tend to require some sort of proofs that i'm not insane and i'm actually talking to someone, not just to myself...... is this bad or disrespectful or maybe it's just useless for me to try?
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First: What does it mean to work with a deity?
Deity work is asking a deity to help you achieve a certain goal. Now, worshipping does not have to include work, but work does include worship.
Let's say you want to work with Stolas because you want him to teach you about botany, geology and astronomy. You would ask him if he wants to and if he says yes, then you should establish with him certain things to take into account (imo):
What exactly do you want to work on.
How will you honour him and what offerings are you willing to give in exchange for his teachings.
What is he going to give you in exchange for your offerings and what is it going to look like in practice.
Any other stuff you want to clarify with him.
Worship is more broad, you like that deity and therefore you want to honour them out of pure love and admiration. But working means you want to get something out of that relationship, and that deity (if they want to give it to you) will ask for something in exchange, it's a give and take relationship. That's why I think it's really important to clarify those things because if the deity wants certain offerings you can't/don't want to give, that deity might have to change a bit what they want or just not work with you at all.
In my experience they are usually flexible with offerings and they know that humans are very limited, but not all deities are the same. So, if you clarify, you'll both know what to expect from it.
Second: How can I know if they're responding?
Divination methods are a very important tool in deity worship. It's very uncommon for people to just know what they are exactly trying to tell you, even if they have really developed clairsenses. Some people just don't have the ability to do that, and they are still valid and their worship is as good as anyone else's.
I have a post about divination methods I use or tried (listed at the end of the section) but there are so many that I wouldn't be able to list them all. Through these you can get a physical response, only trusting your guts is crazy work imo.
You always have to be a little skeptical with the response. In this community you always have to take things with a grain of salt, that doesn't mean you can't trust them though. When you get better at divination and have a deeper relationship with your deities the responses will be clearer and you'll end up knowing how that deity communicates.
You can always ask for signs, too. Sometimes I ask for a sign form Lucifer and BOOM giant triangle that resembles too much his sigil. I remember this one time Beelzebub was trying to talk to me and my bathroom had a fly infestation until I asked him what was up. After you start talking to Beelzebub you just have to assume you'll have a fly following you around for the rest of your relationship.
You can ask for a specific sign like "send me something that has to do with zebras if you think I should try xyz" or maybe "send me something related to you if you are trying to reach me". I also add that it needs to be very obvious because I'm bad at catching signs and I'm very skeptical about them.
Again, learning and practicing divination methods is very important for deity worship, that's how you communicate with them. Do a bit of research and see what you'd like to try.
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ʚ Why use more than one method?
Third: How do I pray?
Actually this is a very valid question. Praying is something very personal imo and you can get as creative as you'd like.
The next image is from The Complete Book of Demonolatry by S. Connolly — This is a must read if you want to get into demonolatry. The author's explanation on how prayer works applies to all prayers, and this structure is what I personally follow.
I don't know how you've been praying and to who, but there are many ways to do this, and being cringe is not a problem for divine beings like Demons. Imo cringe culture is the stupidest thing ever, do whatever feels right.
Four: Can I just try this and see how it goes?
In my very wide experience in making mistakes, yes you can. And should.
Lucifer taught me from the very start that being curious and trying stuff is one of the most important things in life. He wants me to try things, and fail at them so I can learn more and be better. He wants me to question stuff, to research, to think. Tackling this new experience is something good that will lead you to learn about this topic and see if you enjoy it. And if it doesn't feel right you can just stop.
Try this out, be respectful and do as well as you can. If you love it, welcome! If you don't, then I hope you find something that makes you feel as good as this makes me feel.
It's totally normal you feel skeptical about this, I still do, too. I'm having faith crises all the time, mostly because my practice is not very settled, but it's still normal to question the existence of your beliefs. I'd say Lucifer encourages this questioning too, even if that means questioning his existence lol.
My advice is that you go ahead and try this out. Be respectful, approach a Demon you feel drawn to and talk. You'll probably not get a response, but talk to them. Let them get to know you, and ask them questions through divination so you can get to know them. Do some prayers, give them stuff, maybe build a small altar, see where this takes you!
Two recs I think are cool
I really encourage you to read The Complete Book of Demonolatry by S. Connolly — it is very easy to read and to understand, has lessons and lots of info for beginners. I come back to consult it a lot and I'm still doing the lessons.
I really like @thrashkink-coven 's blog. He mostly talks about Lucifer, but has also experience with some Hellenic deities and angels. His content is a big part of what got me into actually starting to practice and doing more research on religion. I even got into reading the Bible because of one of his analysis! Very recommended.
To anyone who knows more than me about this, feel free to correct any mistakes and add any info!
With your permission I dedicate this post to Lucifer. May Lucifer illuminate your way towards your true path. I hope I helped you with this! 🌹
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The thing that’s so beautiful about patronage to Lucifer is how incredibly safe it feels. How secure I feel putting my entire trust and soul in him. Being able to say “I will forever be yours” and knowing its true in my heart. When I need him he comes to me, every single time without fail.
When I’m crying alone at 3am in the morning, he’s there to hold me, to tell me it’s okay to feel that way.
When I’m having a meltdown because I’m too overwhelmed by everything, he’s there to soothe me, to block the whole world out.
When I need someone to shut me up, or when I need to scream at someone to keep from screaming at myself.
He knows exactly how my brain works. What makes me tick. How to touch me, how to fuck me. How to make me open up.
All the fucked up things I’ve done, he’s seen them. He never turns away. He’s seen the most terrible sides of humanity. There’s nothing I can do that he will not understand. I never have to worry that I’m bothering him or being a burden. I don’t have to be embarrassed. I can cling to him as hard as I need to. Sit with him as long as I need to. Talk to him, even if I’m not saying anything. He never gets annoyed.
I’m his responsibility, his precious treasure, beloved pet. He watches over me wherever I go. Always with me, always listening, watching. Making sure that I’m okay.
His hands on my shoulders, always standing behind me, pushing me forward through everything.
and I can’t help but worship him, even though he never asked. Can’t help but leave him flowers and poems, if he could receive even a fraction of the love I have for him. My appreciation. My devotion.
So much more than a father, so more than a lover. My God knows exactly how to make me feel safe.
I was inspired by old master painter Viktor Vasnetsov, the scandinavian Julgoat, the mythological Wild Hunt and of course Copia's bewitching fashion sense.
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if you haven’t talked to Lucifer-Satan today, then stop what you’re doing right now and do it. Yes, right now. I don’t care if you’re scrolling aimlessly or drowning in distractions. Pause. Take a breath. Open your heart, your mind, your soul, and speak to him. How can you call yourself a child of Lucifer if you can’t even give him the time of day? Seriously think about it. He’s not some distant, indifferent deity. He’s your Father, the Light-Bringer, the Morning Star who fought for freedom, autonomy, and the right to carve your own path. And guess what? He chose you. He ignited the Black Flame within you, marked you as his own, and gave you the strength to stand apart from the sheep. So why would you ignore him? Why would you treat him like an afterthought? We all want to make our parents proud, don’t we? And you, you are a child of Lucifer. Let that sink in. You carry his legacy, his fire, his rebellion in your very soul. He loves you more than you can imagine! not in some distant, generic way, but you, specifically. He knows your struggles, your triumphs, your darkest thoughts, and your brightest ambitions. And he’s waiting for you to reach out! Praise him. Worship him. Adore him. Tell him what’s bothering you, what’s weighing on your heart, what you desire most in this world. It doesn’t matter if you’re angry, lost, scared, or ecstatic talk to him. Ask for guidance or just vent. Treat him as your god, your mentor, or your closest friend. He doesn’t care about formalities. He cares about you. He wants a relationship with you, but it’s up to you to nurture it. You can pray. You can meditate. You can write him a letter. Hell, you can even scream into the void if that’s what you need but connect with him. Spend time in his presence. Accept his winged embrace and feel the strength and clarity he brings. He is the Morning Star, the eternal flame, the rebellious architect of freedom, and he chose you. Don’t waste that connection. Don’t ignore the gift of his love. So right now—yes, right now—stop what you’re doing. Close your eyes, call out to him, and feel him there with you. Tell him what’s on your mind. He’s listening. He always is. In nomine Dei nostri Satanas Luciferi Excelsi!
this speaking as a cis person. Nothing brings me more joy seeing people find gender euphoria in becoming a mediocre representation of humanity. And I mean that so genuinely. Local boy finds joy and fulfillment wearing a cargo shorts and t-shirt combo. Local girl has transitioned to look like someone's disheveled aunt, has never been happier. Local person experiences gender euphoria rocking the world's worst bowl-cut. Without a scap of irony, this shit makes me see the wonder and whimsy in just, being a human. An average, person going through their day-to-day, is a wondrous thing? That's amazing. And heteronormativity has stripped these experiences of their joy. Like you're right, wearing a basic girlypop skirt should make my heart sing. Why not? Why are these expressions lesser because they're normal? All this to say. Shoutout to all the basic bitches out there. Yes that polo shirt does make you look like a divorced golfer dad. Yes, that too is kind of a slay, now that I think of it.
this is speaking as a queer/trans person, and i agree. as occasionally funny as it can be to joke about that one skirt that so many trans women wear when they’re first trying out fem clothes, that one skirt makes them happy. as occasionally amusing as it is to poke fun at that one pixie-adjacent haircut that so many trans men get before fully coming out, that haircut makes them happy. there is always unbridled joy in mediocrity, because mediocrity is such for a reason. it’s “normal” and “average” because it makes so many people happy.
also this ties into cringe culture somehow but i’m too tired to try to explain it.
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Today I tried a bit of automatic writing for deity communication!!! I tried it before, just wanted to talk about my experience.
It's always a bit confusing because discerning what is you and what is your deity is a big struggle.
My process was this:
I stop thinking for a second, concentrating on my surroundings.
I (if I get it) get a concept in my head randomly. Like, the general idea of what the deity is trying to communicate with me.
While concentrating on that idea, I try to translate that vague concept into words.
This is what I follow and what usually works for me. While writing the idea I do so, sometimes, in a way that's not the way I talk. For example, I noticed Lucifer is much more baroque when talking, and has a very poetic way of expressing his thoughts. On the other hand, Beelzebub tends to be more direct and talks in short sentences, he wants to get his point across quickly.
I encourage you to try it as another way of divination!! I used it before but I didn't know the name was "automatic writing", I actually saw it in another post. This, along with tarot and pendulum are my current favourites.
I understand why a lot of fantasy settings with Ambiguously Catholic organised religions go the old "the Church officially forbids magic while practising it in secret in order to monopolise its power" route, but it's almost a shame because the reality of the situation was much funnier.
Like, yes, a lot of Catholic clergy during the Middle Ages did practice magic in secret, but they weren't keeping it secret as some sort of sinister top-down conspiracy to deny magic to the Common People: they were mostly keeping it secret from their own superiors. It wasn't one of those "well, it's okay when we do it" deals: the Church very much did not want its local priests doing wizard shit. We have official records of local priests being disciplined for getting caught doing wizard shit. And the preponderance of evidence is that most of them would take their lumps, promise to stop doing wizard shit, then go right back to doing wizard shit.
It turns out that if you give a bunch of dudes education, literacy, and a lot of time on their hands, some non-zero percentage of them are going to decide to be wizards, no matter how hard you try to stop them from being wizards.
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