oh hey! i can do ut crit! (btw im not pretending this blog isnt dead i just dont want one of my friends to see an su crit themed post on my main)
heeres a Hot Take™: the character who i really think is more loved by the fandom than she deserves? toriel.
before i can adress toriel herself tho, consider this: all the characters op listed have some reason for their actions. whether its justifiable is a whole other matter, but lets go down the list
asgore: lost both of his children in one night, and then still had to try and do what was best for an entire kingdom, so he, as many leaders do, declared war. without anyone else in power to really stop him, this decision was allowed to go unchecked. the only other person with any form of political power, his wife, fled instead of talking him down.
hes shown to regret his actions, but he made the critical mistake of talking himself into a corner, and then proceeding to fall into a trap that many people do: he thought, “if i turn back now, ill be sacrificing everything i already put into this”, so as time went on, it only got harder and harder to back out. hindsight is a bitch, yeah?
flowey: he is literally a soulless flower. like, he actually literally does not have a soul. not to mention, hes a child. i think most people tend to forget that. hes a child who died, only to be brought back with no soul or feelings. he was bored, and responded in an emotionless, childlike manner, by repeatedly breaking what he saw as toys. is it justified? of course not. but i think its understandable.
alphys: i think most people tend to forget as well that alphys wasnt ever acting out of malice. she injected the fallen monsters with determination because she genuinely thought it would help, and that she was doing the right thing, and at first, she WAS doing the right thing. trying to cheat death may have been naive of her, but it was certainly noble. and her failings after that? every single one of them was caused by fear. she was scared. and who wouldnt be, after turning monsters into amalgamations who could never die? i can say myself that i have tried to ignore problems in hopes that theyd go away, i think most people have. and yes, she was a bad friend to both mettaton and frisk, but that was again driven by fear. she was afraid of being alone. was it selfish? yes. but i can absolutely understand doing what she did when youre afraid and have never been taught how to cope with that, as i strongly suspect is the case with alphys.
frisk: i need everyone to understand that frisks actions in game are almost wholly controlled by the player, save for a few small moments. frisk has no control over what is done, not on any route. while they may be separate from the player, they are still controlled by the player, and to try and shift the blame onto them is just plain ignorant.
chara: now this one is the one that i see most commonly. everything that they are is completely erased because of a misinterpretation of their appearance at the end of the genocide route. i want to make it clear that chara has no effect on anything that takes place, except for after the end of a soulless true pacifist run. and even then, i strongly suspect that they may just be reminding you that you are not above consequences. and besides, they werent originally Like That, they were taught that violence against monsters is the answer by the player, and all of the actions they took on the genocide route. while i wont pretend that they were completely innocent, i will say this. their hatred was reserved only for humanity, not monsterkind. their actions after a soulless pacifist run are solely caused by the player.
speaking of the player, i wont try to justify a genocidal player. the motivations of each player are different, and their actions are for them and them alone to come to grips with.
now, all of that being said, that brings us back to toriel.
im,, ambivalent towards her. i think shes a fun character, but i think she tries to have a moral high ground and a sense of “holier-than-thou"ness that she doesnt actually deserve.
so lets go through her actions as i see them:
1) she left asgore instead of trying to talk him down from starting a war.
justifiable, she was angry and grieving and disgusted, and i know some people just arent good with confrontation under stress, but,, not particularly noble or good of her.
2) criticizing asgore for not simply taking one human soul and crossing the barrier to get six more.
i have problems with this for a couple reasons: one, how could she know that asgore wouldnt just be struck down the same way asriel was? and two, if its that simple, why didnt she do it herself? how long were they trapped down there again? how long did she as well stay complicit in all of monsterkind being trapped there simply because she couldnt put aside her own anger?
3) she never answers frisks calls??
look, i get it, shes trying to keep herself from being put through more grief. but i think it tends to be forgotten here that, despite everything, frisk is a child. theyre a child, alone, facing an underground that wants them dead. think about how terrifying that must be for a child. and then, they go to call someone who took care of them all through the ruins, someone who they may even see as a mother figure, for comfort, and what do they get? nothing. absolutely nothing at all, from someone who allegedly cares about them. putting aside the adult thoughts and justifications for a moment, imagine how that must feel from a childs point of view. that would be absolutely crushing. think about it any way you want, but in my opinion, it was nothing short of cruel of toriel to not answer her phone, and only added more stress to a journey that would already be traumatizing for any average child.
if i thought more, i could probably come up with something else, but this post has already gotten long enough.