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Toshiya says in the last 4 years he has begun to doubt/question a lot of things around him. For example, the colour black looks black but actually contains all colours. Its not how it seems on the surface, and its more interesting to approach everyday life with this awareness.

In terms of making the album, he has times when he doubts whether what he is doing is correct, and even questions whether everyone else is right, and only he is wrong. In the end what you believe is right or wrong always comes down to intuition only.

Joe then says he recently did a 3 hour show with a group of philosophers discussing Descart, and the concept of 'Cogito, ergo sum' (I think therefore I am), and how you can only be sure of your own self. But Toshiya counters this by commenting that cogito, ergo sum assumes the existence of an ideological self without proof, and so it is contradictory. Joe agrees. His philosopher group were discussing that if you start with Descart, you can gain satisfaction with what you have, but ultimately your range will be quite short. But if you start with firm assumption of wider ideas, like 'This is black!', you can then start to disect your ideas and explore them more/question them more. Toshiya adds that you can't fully grasp that which you don't demand to start with. Joe continues, as you take small steps forward you are likely to come across this kind of dilema at some point.

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