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i drew this a while ago and just realised that it could escape the confines of my desk and wander into the internet's trenches lol (please ignore the paperclip marks)
So i have thoughts about that ending scene "we are one". And the fact that its been said Henry didn't entirely believe it. I think he could have fought it, I think that if he wanted to he could've fought off the mindflyer like he'd said. but i think that his physical body was so far decomposed by then that there would be no chance for him to end up going back, and I think that was a big deciding factor in not trying to put up a fight. because at that point he knew he was too far gone, he was the monster that everyone believed he was and at one point in trauma you get told you're something so often you end up just giving in and becoming that thing. ofc there are people that fight it, move past the bad thing but a lot of the time it ends up consuming people to the point of no return. and when you've had no support system to get you away from the bad thing, you've had no one to contest the ideas that have been fed to you, and your body is literally falling apart and the only thing keeping you alive is the bad thing you end up choosing the bad thing out of fear of what'll happen if you lose your connection to it. the fear of the unknown is far greater than the idea of being free.
Anyways i kissed this brick before I threw it I hope y'all know that.
In the show, Henry paints himself as a born predator—a lonely boy who always hated humanity and identified with spiders. But TFS showed us a completely different Henry: a terrified kid who had a school life, friends, a sister he cared about, a girl he loved (Patty Newby), and a version of Joyce, Hopper, and Bob.
How do we bridge this gap? Is it just lazy retconning?
No. The answer is far more terrifying, tragic, and psychologically profound. Kate Trefry themselves dropped the ultimate clue when she stated that Henry is an unreliable narrator in Season 4. Henry isn’t lying to Eleven. He genuinely, 100% believes his own monologue. And here is the exact, step-by-step breakdown of how his mind—and the Mind Flayer—fabricated his false past. To understand Henry, we must understand his autonomy. As both Louis McCartney and Jamie Campbell Bower have heavily implied in interviews, Henry’s monologue is the culmination of a lifetime of severe abuse. He hates humanity because of what humans actually did to him in the lab.
Unlike Will Byers or Billy Hargrove, Henry was not a helpless puppet under a violent host in Season 4. His relationship with the Mind Flayer is a toxic, symbiotic partnership. The Mind Flayer supernaturally groomed him. It fed on his anger, amplified his isolation, and provided a dark cosmic lens through which Henry began to view the world. But to completely sever Henry’s ties to his own humanity, his good memories had to be systematically destroyed. This happened in two brutal phases. I think the turning point of Henry's psychological collapse happened right around the time the Soteria chip was implanted. When Brenner locked his powers away, Henry was left entirely defenseless against years of dehumanizing laboratory torture. At the same time, he was carrying the unfathomable guilt of his mother and sister's deaths. To make matters worse, Patty Newby was gone—either severely injured, dead, or simply unable to find him in the Void anymore. Henry, trapped in his sterile cage, believed Patty had abandoned him.
When a human mind undergoes that level of relentless trauma, the contrast between a happy past and a miserable present becomes physically unbearable. Remembering Patty’s love or another kindness didn't bring comfort; it brought agonizing pain. Henry didn't bury his good memories because he wanted to be evil—he buried them to stop the hurting. He locked his own humanity away just to survive Brenner’s hell. Once Henry buried his human connections, the Mind Flayer stepped in to finish the job. We already have hard, on-screen canon proof that the Mind Flayer can alter memories. In Season 2, within just a few weeks of being flayed, Will Byers began forgetting his own life, completely losing his memory of Bob Newby. Now imagine what the Mind Flayer could do to Henry Creel over decades trapped in Dimension X.
The Mind Flayer didn't just erase the remaining fragments of Henry's good memories; it rewrote them. It gaslit Henry into believing a false, dark history:
- It erased his school days, his classmates.
- It demonized his family, making him remember his parents as pure, hypocritical monsters to justify their murder.
- It replaced his tragic childhood with a chilling, manufactured narrative: You were always a predator. You were always a spider. You never loved anyone.
The Mind Flayer acted like a twisted scientist performing a psychological experiment. It realized that if you strip a human of every single memory of joy, love, and empathy, leaving only pain, fear, and torture—that human will naturally want to watch the entire world burn.
This perfectly explains why Nancy Wheeler’s visions of the Creel house in Season 4 were so relentlessly dark and gothic. Nancy wasn't seeing an objective historical playback of 1959. She was seeing the visions generated directly from Vecna’s Mindscape.
Because Henry’s "emotional software" had been completely overwritten by the Mind Flayer, the illusion he projected to Nancy was his own corrupted reality. This is why Patty, Joyce, and the school are entirely missing from Nancy's vision. They were already dead and buried in the deepest, darkest corners of Henry’s subconscious. This is why the official canon ending of simply "destroying the monster" feels so devastatingly hollow. Henry Creel is not a one-dimensional, born-evil CGI demon. He is the ultimate, brainwashed victim of both the US Government and a cosmic parasite.
In his final moments, the Vecna armor shouldn't just break; his false memories should shatter. He needs to be forced to look past the Mind Flayer’s lies and face the absolute horror of what he became, returning to his true, 100% state: the terrified child from the cave, sobbing and begging Joyce for his life. By treating his ending as a simple physical showdown, the writers chose a lazy checklist over a psychological masterpiece. Henry didn't just deserve to die; his stolen humanity deserved to be remembered.
Let’s establish the first absolute truth: The monologue in the Season 4 finale is Henry’s own voice, not a Mind Flayer ventriloquist act.As Louis McCartney and Jamie Campbell Bower have heavily implied in interviews, Henry’s misanthropic, nihilistic speech is the raw, bleeding culmination of a lifetime of severe, systematic abuse.
He was locked in a sterile environment.
He was dehumanized, treated as a government weapon, and forced to kill when he was just a little boy.
His hatred for humanity didn't drop out of nowhere—it was forged in the fires of the Hawkins Laboratory. His monologue is a massive, twisted trauma response. He is venting his real pain, his real fear of not fitting in, and his desperate, broken desire to find a connection with Eleven. So yes. The Mind Flayer wouldn't care about a little boy’s childhood trauma or a connection with a human girl. This speech belongs entirely to Henry Creel. However, human trauma alone doesn't turn a person into a world-ending, reality-tearing cosmic god. This is where the brilliant, terrifying synergy between Henry and the Mind Flayer comes in.
It is canon that Henry always had a "dark side"—a natural spark of resentment, a strange connection to predators, and an intense vulnerability. But the Mind Flayer didn't just leave him to process his trauma. The Mind Flayer fed on his agony and amplified it to an industrial scale. Henry’s relationship with the Mind Flayer isn’t a violent, unwilling possession like Will’s or Billy’s. It was a slow, supernatural grooming process. The Mind Flayer took Henry's existing dark side, took his very real anger at Brenner and the government, and used it as a foundation to build something infinitely worse.
Here is the ultimate proof that Henry retains his autonomy, and it comes directly from the Stranger Things VR game. In the VR canon, we literally witness a brutal psychological and supernatural struggle between Henry and the Mind Flayer over who is actually directing whom. They are constantly wrestling for control over the hive mind.
Why? Because their ultimate goals are completely fundamentally incompatible:
Henry's Vision: Henry doesn't just want mindless destruction. He is obsessed with order, balance, and structure (just like his fixation on spiders acting as predators to keep the ecosystem stable). He wants to conquer humanity to build a New World—a reshaped reality under his design.
The Mind Flayer's Vision: The Mind Flayer is an entropic, ancient cosmic force. It doesn't care about Henry's aesthetic of a reshaped world; it wants total consumption, absolute assimilation, and a return to a dark, chaotic void.
This ideological clash spawned incredible fan theories that Henry would eventually turn against the Mind Flayer once he realized he was being used as a cosmic battery. Tragically, the main series completely abandoned this built-in internal conflict, giving us an unsatisfying physical showdown instead of exploring a literal civil war inside the Upside Down.
And let’s not forget one crucial, devastating canon fact: when Henry was permanently locked away and handed over to Dr. Brenner, he was only 14 years old. He wasn't some adult, evil mastermind making conscious choices—he was a literal child. His emotional development was completely frozen in survival mode. Spending your entire adolescence being tortured, dehumanized, and treated as a government weapon is what forged that hatred for humanity. The 4x07 monologue isn't the birth of a monster; it's the raw trauma response of a broken 14-year-old kid who never stood a chance.
The fact that Jamie Campbell Bower pitched a line for Vecna’s final moments where he would look at Joyce Byers and whisper, "Please, don’t."
The Duffer brothers cut it. But the sheer fact that Jamie wanted this tells us everything we need to know about Henry’s true, canonical psyche. A lot of The First Shadow fans wanted a classic Hollywood redemption arc for Henry. They wanted him to break free from the Mind Flayer, sacrifice himself to save Eleven or Will, and die a tragic hero.
But Jamie’s pitch proves something much darker, much more realistic, and infinitely more heartbreaking: Henry Creel never wanted to die. Even after everything, he wanted to live.
Think about what Henry went through. He was tortured by Brenner, infected and puppeted by the Mind Flayer, ripped apart by Eleven, and left to rot in the Abyss where his physical body became a mangled monster. He spent decades in literal hell, carrying the belief that his actions killed Patty Newby. By all tropes, he should have welcomed the sweet relief of death. But he didn’t. When death looks him in the eye in the form of Joyce Byers holding an axe, he begs for his life. Redemption requires a stable psyche and a choice. Henry’s mind was systematically broken since childhood. If the Duffers kept the line, Joyce’s execution of Vecna wouldn't have been a cheers-and-applause Marvel moment. It would have been a devastating tragedy. Joyce would have realized she was decapitating a terrified classmate, a child the universe failed to save.By silencing Henry’s final plea, the writers took away his last shred of human dignity just to give the casual audience an easy, black-and-white "hero kills the monster" ending. Jamie Campbell Bower understood Henry better than the writers did. Henry just desperately, painfully wanted to exist.

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Rules: shuffle your 'on repeat' playlist and list the first 10 tracks, then tag ten people
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kinky love - pale saints
few options with little time - ridgeclub
stars - pinkpantheress
n side - steve lacy
pepper-tree - cocteau twins
rolling papers - odd future
alter ego - tame impala
house of balloons/glass table girls - the weeknd
answer - tyler, the creator
televisions - current joys
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“Aren’t you worried ai could replace you someday” oh like ai could replicate the level of mental illness I achieve over this fictional man
i just saw this edit and it made me think about henry's monologue in season 4.
because when you look at it with this context then he's 100% right. but in the show he was the villain and he used this as an excuse to kill people.
and i think it sucks how they tried to make us think the reason he's a villain is because he dislikes society and recognizes it's flaws.
it makes it seem like the people that recognize how cruel and evil humans can be, opposed to the other animals, are villains that just hate humanity. but no. actually the ones that have this mindset love humanity and want it to stop destroying itself while also destroying nature and everything else. they want humans to actually be able to be happy because they recognize that the way our society is formed is really harmful.
however the ones that love how our society is and don't think it has flaws are the ones that are greedy and that don't care about people dying everyday because of money, they're the ones that create wars and commit genocides, the ones that commit femicide, the ones that kill people because of the color of their skin etc.
so no, in general the people that kills other humans are not the ones that think like henry. it's the other way around.
in season 5 we learned that the actual reason henry is a villain is because of the mindflayer. which also means the only reason he was thinking that is that he was possessed by an evil extraterrestrial being that actually hated humans. and i hate the message it sends.
yes humanity is beautiful and yes our society is awful. you actually can recognize both at the same time. henry wasn't a villain for thinking our society was harmful. no matter what the d*ffers brothers think.
when he carried the entire season
i think watching the get out scene genuinely changed my life
henry creel quick get behind jamie campbell bower, louis mccartney, and kate trefry they’ll protect you!!

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