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I've been thinking a lot about these two because they're making my stomach hurt with how doomed from the start things were between them. I also find them interesting regarding the opposite ways that they've responded to trauma and have developed their self-perception around it. It's the key to their mutual unhappiness!
I'll be putting my thoughts underneath the cut.
DEVI D; THE D STANDS FOR DATES!
Devi is interesting in that she's very well-adjusted but not without her flaws at the start. She's a good conversationalist and is capable of a lot of warmth towards others, preferring to laugh through life, and sometimes getting this kicked-puppy look in her eyes when she's worried that she's hurt someone. It's this attitude which has gotten her through a lot of bad situations, but has made her avoidant of emotional reflection. She doesn't like dwelling on things, and might swerve past attempts at prying something deeper out of her, which puts her at odds with Johnny. He's adapted to life in the complete opposite way, as he's always ruminating on his turmoil to the point of drowning in it. Devi has something of a complicated past herself between car wrecks and an absent, potentially drug-addicted mother. Nevertheless, she's had enough support in her life between her father, Tenna, and other friends to overcome her circumstances. She just can't relate to that endless fountain of rage and despair always threatening to spill over in him, much less recognize and unconditionally accept it in the ways that he's so desperate for. I think that's what really gets me about them.
I could sing odes to their would-be points of compatability, such as their shared passion for art, books, and movies. I could even say that perhaps it would've been good for Johnny to have someone who was capable of grounding him, and teaching him how to laugh at things instead of defining himself in hatred of them. However, I think something unavoidable is the fact that Devi and Johnny weren't ever going to go anywhere. She would've been freaked out by his delusional fits, homicidal tendencies, and mood swings had she ever been exposed to them for prolonged periods. I wouldn't be surprised if she would've found Johnny's endless status of being "wronged" as pathetic and self-indulgent if ever subjected to his bouts of melodramatic prose considering her own habits of letting things roll off her shoulders.
...I can't even fault her for coming to those conclusions, but it's just so tragic because no amount of prolonged closeness between these two can result in anything but dissapointment. They're so compatible, but they're so incompatible. They're everything that makes them feel isolated and miserable wrapped in a layer of what they want so bad.
JOHNNY C; THE C STANDS FOR CELIBACY!
Devi isn't asking for much. She just wants a nice, meaningful connection with a guy who can appreciate her for her intelligence instead of her looks. I think to say that she barked up the wrong chain-length electrical fence with Johnny is the understatement of the century though.
He's got the whole "not looking at her like that"-thing down, and he can appreciate her mind, but can't reciprocate her emotional maturity and stability without keeping her at an enourmous distance. She wants him but only because she doesn't know that he's everything that she doesn't want. I think Johnny knows this and it can be seen in their interactions. He likes interacting with Devi but seems to be filled with so much discomfort and shame while doing so because he just can't be himself around her, or at least not his complete self. He's always curling in on himself, and he talks a little differently, and whenever more earnest parts of himself begin to creep out and are unrecognized, or get shut down, there's this look of frustration that he gets. I think it's directed at himself more than Devi for being unable to be what she's looking for even when trying his hardest. He feels for her but those feelings just make him hate himself more than inspire him towards anything productive.
I think that panel where he's looking at himself in the mirror, all dressed up in one of his nicer shirts, while his face is unseen in the broken mirror gets the point across with how absent he is in their interactions.
I look at his appearence in IFS, and the most depressing thing about them to me is the fact that they never knew one another, not really.
I LIED; THE D WAS FOR DETERMINISM!
Johnny says "he had something" when describing her. She's something to him, a feeling to be preserved and perhaps an idea, the idea of a world where he can be happy, or the idea of a person who could make him feel normal and acceptable. It's what she has to be because recognizing her as a person, and getting acquainted to her on that basis, opens him up to a level of rejection and exposure that's intolerable to him. It's a dehumanizing sentiment to hold while stalking a romantic interest that he attempted to kill, and traumatized in the process, but I can't even call it an inaccurate one. He had something, nothing in particular as it didn't get the chance to blossom, that hinged upon someone being unaware that he's half in La-La-Land most of the time. He talks about Devi once away from her in that same detatched, archetypal way he talks about everything else, like it's a figment which is hardly there, although I guess that is accurate in her case. He knows he's transgressed against her, severely and unforgivably so, but can't face the depth of it either because of insanity or the sheer painfulness of it, and his inability to ever make it right, depending on the moment. He had something, but the something in question left him convinced that happiness and connections is impossible for him, that he's too broken for that, which is Devi's takeaway from what happened between them as well. It's fascinating how they've managed to shatter one another's hopes so completely, and in Devi's case without even doing anything.
It's really depressing on her end of things because by IFS she's still compassionate, intelligent, and quick-witted, but she's completely settled into her self-avoidance and self-described "compulsive life"...
FINAL THOUGHTS, TRAGIC IN NATURE
I really like the panel because in my eyes the point of it isn't that he didn't wait long enough to go to that happier world. It was his hand that prevented him from reaching it because he's the obstacle between him, and the connections that he's wanting. I think it's easy to say that he could've done better with Devi, and attempted to implement her good traits into himself. He definitely could've done better by not trying to stab her with giant knives, but I don't think there's much that could've salvadged things from a long-term perspective beyond that. I don't think that most people are beyond rehabilitation, even people who are violent, but Johnny is definitely beyond complete rehabilitation and redemption. He's incapable of being apart of her world. or anyone's world if they're not okay with being around a psychotic, obsessive-compulsive.
He knows this, but he still wants, and so he compulsively seeks out surface-level relationships with people who he'll then try killing when the required surface-level nature of those relationships only reinforces the conviction that he's fundamentally and irreperably broken.
...I like thinking about these two even if it hurts because I understand both sides of this, being a psychotic obsessive-compulsive and someone who's a shut-in who's had knives pulled on him. I guess the takeaway from this post is to be kind to anybody you know that's struggling with severe mental health problems and is dealing with the isolation of that, and to draw these two living in a happy world where the stars they they loved sitting underneath so much alligned to allow their happiness together, or write it, or sculpt it, or use whatever medium.
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Hello!! literally the day after I finished tenna's and devi's designs for my au I started to dislike said designs, especially tenna's. So I started redesigning them + Tess, but I got busy and haven't been able to work on them much, but I'm still really proud of the line art, well most of it. I need to redraw tess's head, I'll also probably redraw devi's eyes </33 can you tell that I don't really like drawing hands..
I love them so much they give me so much joy!! I also really enjoyed making their designs, Devi is 16 in this au and Tenna is 17!! Anyway this au is called brighter future, even though it's supposed to be more focused on nny I ended up drawing these two first, I plan on drawing Tess soon!! Then I'll start on the boys (Nny, Edgar, Todd, and tess's boyfriend, I forgot his name💔)
Also I have ocs that are apart of the au
The girl is Sky and the guy is Nickey!! They're in a long term relationship and they're both in there mid 20s, also Nickey is Devi's older brother.. 👀 okay basically the sum of this au is that, nny (who is 15) runs away from home, his parents are neglectful much like squee's in the original universe, and don't even attempt to look for their son once they do realize he's missing. To basically sum this au up .
One night nny is in a gas station and he bumps into this lady, which is sky (who's kinda tipsy). She gets really worried because it's extremely late and he's by himself and thousands of kids get kidnapped every year. So she asks him a bunch of questions. Then Nickey comes over to see what's going on and sky explains that shes worried for the boy and that they should call the cops or something because the kid's just looking at her and not even attempting to answer any of her questions. Finally nny speaks up and asks her not to, and when sky asks why and if he's got a place to go, he goes kinda quiet again. Which makes sky believes he's homeless (which he is) so she begs Nickey to let the kid come with them, Nickey shuts the idea down quickly because they don't know this kid at all he could be some sort of maniac or something. But sky continues to beg and nickey is eventually won over. And nny agrees because a random house is better than sleeping on the street. So nny basically becomes their little roommate who sometimes helps around the house.. 😵💫
I've always loved IFS, but I think my biggest problem with it is that it leaves you wanting so much more from it. Devi is an interesting character, and giving her depth outside of getting almost stabbed is a good premise for a spin-off, but I feel she doesn't get a lot of breathing room as herself outside of how she's responded to trauma, and said trauma by extension. It's supposed to have her art, and her relationship with it, as the central focus of the narrative's conflict, but her paintings are only ever in the background and her individual relationship with it isn't expanded upon. What's inspiring her? What are these images which she's so desperate to get out of her head? How does she process the events of her life through painting? I'd like to make a post getting screenshots of all her art throughout the comics and attempt to figure out an answer, but you wouldn't get one reading her comic.
It's implied that Devi throwing herself into her work is a compulsive behavior born out of self-avoidance, at least in part, so I think this might be an intentional writing decision. It definitely leaves the ending in a bittersweet place that I find interesting, and realistic all things considered, but considering the fact that IFS dwells on this complication so much it does feel strange that the overall resolution that it comes to is that Devi's incapable of finding social furfillment, and the solution is to continue throwing herself into painting. I find it compelling that it ends on a note that's more complicated than Devi triumphing over Sickness, and magically becoming a different person through force of will. However, if she was intended to have a semi-static development, with IFS being a window-exploration of the end point she's reached more than anything else, it just would've been nice to have her art be a bigger part of the comic for that purpose. It was basically a ventpost about working for Nickalodeon though, or at least that's the impression I got, so I'm not surprised this ended up getting sidelined.
I think JV saying that IFS's outcome is slightly happier, and drawing a comparison between Johnny and Devi, is telling in regards to what he was going for with the two issues, and especially IFS's ending. However, I feel that showing Devi's old paintings, or having her talk about them a little in specific, wouldn't have cut into his intentions. If she's bottling up a life's worth of bullshit, and has adopted an avoidant or misanthropic perspective, then her art would've reflected this and could've expanded upon that part of her character in a way that didn't revolve around another character. JTHM even does this with Johnny, and his paintings, so it'll always feel a little strange to me that the comic about reclaiming your will to make art for yourself only brushes up against the art that Devi makes for herself. It's like she's absent from her own story, and it's because she's supposed to be disconnected from herself, but I feel like this could've been executed in a way that still allowed her to be more of an actual character. IFS is carried more on JV's abilities in writing really good dialogue, and generating interesting ideas, rather than the depth of those ideas-characters themselves, in my eyes.
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Your Creative writing professor never told you this or even realized this was a thing at all, but inspiration can be used incorrectly. It's one of the many traps that "writing what you know" can make you fall into, and the way it alters what you originally intended is one of the main things you will be considered "dead" for when your work is analyzed.
There are many ways that you can see this happen- usually in 80s and 90s series that switch direction and teams, or student films/essays that try to take a familiar concept and turn it on its head without understanding how and why that concept functions- but almost any example I'm familiar with enough exemplifies how badly it can warp from what you were trying to say while also blending in perfectly with the world building of their story more than Johnny The Homicidal Maniac does.
Now Vasquez has stated himself that the story and how it could be interpreted ran away from him, and what was originally a one shot being continued with no plan is a breeding ground for your characters gaining a mind of their own and ending up different from what you wanted but these problems were there in the first issue due to JV not realizing the extra implications those inspirations bring with them.
Almost every panel of this comic takes inspiration from the fly, alien, hellraiser, and other body horror films from the time. And because of the nature of our protagonist he is also based off of stereotypes attached to well known serial killers with mental issues, that cause the main dissonance between what JV wanted to write versus what he actually wrote that being sexual abuse from a woman in nny's life.
Nny differs from these male serial killers in almost every way, they usually target mostly or only women and are driven by sexist and sexual motivations. Nny kills an even number of both men and women, and is loudly sex repulsed, but Nny does a bias towards women that shows in a weirder more subtle way. Excluding nny's Twitter for now nny actually has a more positive dynamic with the women he's killed, most female victims are killed at the first location not fitting nny's criteria for being kidnapped and brought to the basement which is seemingly him recognizing you from before gaining the doughboys or thinking you deserve some type of additional punishment. If a woman is kidnapped they aren't held for long, the method of torture is generally less painful comes to the men drawn on the same page, and their deaths are faster.
When taking Nny's Twitter into account nny has a clear preference towards pregnant women, giving every pregnant woman he runs into a free abortion then killing her or leaving her to bleed out. This is one of the only clear preference he has except for cheerleaders- a female dominated sport by the time jthm was written- and cats a pet that is considered feminine and will give no reasoning as to why besides "cat people are weird", never even killing the owner of the cat afterwards.
The distaste for pregnant women even looms in the background through the entire series, with multiple side comics about parents (usually the mother) regretting having children, Or it literally being in the background. Body horror itself as a genre is inherently feminine with its entire premise of your bodily autonomy being forcefully being taken from you and repeatedly use sexuality as symbolism/metaphor including Alien and hellraiser that is repeatedly used as an Easter egg in the backgrounds of each panel. When these movies got used as inspiration for the setting of the basement become sadomastic, every device is either a real bdsm machine or could be used in a extreme way where the person in the machine will consensually die in a painful way, and the use of electricity is never deadly in itself (nny had to tie someone in a bathtub and throw a toaster in to kill them in that way). Even moose themselves can be interpreted as a metaphor for a fetus/pregnancy when viewing jthm with these movies in mind, it's a parasite that demands to be fed and mentally and physically drains you to get that food with no care that its at your expense. Most people that bleed out and die when the baby is born is because their body couldn't handle it from the baby making them unhealthy or some underlying condition or to much gets damaged on the way out.
If JTHM was a novella written by someone else taking what they were actually writing down into account and doing this on purpose it would have been a well written story about some college age man getting taken advantage of and raped because of his mental illness, killing her in self defense and instead of taking it out on more women he blames himself and kidnaps, kills, and sexually mutilates the other men around him that connects every aspect to nny's behavior and mental state to the setting around it
But JTHM isn't a book, and it wasn't made to bring awareness to men's mental health, it was made to be a satire on how the alt community is cruel and hypocritical to each other while they believe they're part of the "good" side of that community. And if it wasn't for issue 7 creating Reverend meat and the headcannon that nny was assaulted by the woman that gave him to nny this entire analysis would sound completely fucking insane, but because it does the Fandom can go back and reread from the beginning with the ending and mind and find new details to analyze like I am now. Because that is how death of the author is supposed to work and if you don't have multiple people beta read your story more than once so you can identify where you messed up and you stopped writing what you wanted to, you are gonna have some words in your mouth you really don't want and no amount of Q&As and retcons online will fix after you publish.
**I only realized I forgot this after posting it also missing tags but one of the art pieces that can be assumed johnny made pre-splinter is the wall of dolls shown when the survey guy is at the house are the ''sexually abused person takes of the clothes and damages the crotch of a doll" trope and they are also all male or a rabbit which johnny is associated with.
I almost forgot to post this here gulppps. Ignore the background I just wanted to fill in the space heheh
Yahoooo nny and squee!! I actually drew this a little bit ago but, I was planning on drawing devi taking a picture of the both of them. That's why they're starring at us, they're supposed to be starring at a camera but I kept procrastinating on drawing devi, I will eventually draw her and I'll repost this when I do so the two doodles can go together yayayaay
To make up for not drawing devi have this devi photo, I love how she looks near the end of jthm !!
I really love Tenna shes so me, but I really don't like how her hair looks in the I feel sick comic so I tried to give her a mini fro but I think it looks more like a kiss curl (I think that's the name) 😭😭 so I changed it a bit, and I like it and that's all the matters!! But I will try to test out other hair styles on her. Also I kinda gave up on devis outfit, all the energy went to tenna.. Anywaysss Tenna looks like she digs aliens 🥸
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More devnny art but it's in my other art style.. And they're on their honeymoon? Idk, theyre celebrating something.
They look so miserable because it's too hot. I also don't think either of them would wear something like this, but I enjoyed drawing it.. Also I've been thinking about Johnny the Rehabilitated Maniac , (which is why Johnny doesn't look really skinny here, because he's making progress on himself and is attempting to take care of himself) and mostly because I read a few fanfics about it last night, so this art is kinda like my own interpretation of that, Johnny doesn't run away from devi when they attempt to kiss and they actually kiss and then they become boyfriend and girlfriend and then they get married and adopt squee and they live happily ever after(I'm delusional.)
I also like drawing Johnny with pricings if you couldn't tell, he looks so pierceable
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