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a reason i kinda dislike when jason is depicted/imagined as someone bigger than bruce/insanely bigger than everyone else is because the fandom (mainly batfam) often uses it as a way to make jason the caregiver who doesn't need to be doted on and protected like how they think tim needs to be, for example. they use it to make jason seem like the oldest sibling (yes, compared to dick) who's super nonchalant and Tough Guy. it also just. becomes his only defining characteristic in the fandom. every popular headcanon revolves around how big he is and then that snowballs into brute jason which snowballs into stupid inferior jason.
he's FLEXIBLE. he's acrobatic. he's VERY good with tech. why have i read so many fics and headcanons that act like this isn't true or underestimate these abilities of his?? he can be super big and still great at those things!! BRUCE is so why do we refuse to believe jason is/can be as well
additionally, jason being a lot bigger than bruce is a headcanon i see often from fans who use it to essentially make jason realize he's being an asshole to his poor sad dad who just wants his son back and who did no wrong ever because he's just grieving. don't you see how small he is, jason? you used to be smaller than him by so much and he protected you but now you're bigger than him so it's up to you to change for the better and start protecting him/going easy on him
i'd love insanely huge jason a lot more too if it didn't unfortunately make this fandom develop amnesia when it comes to his exceptional intelligence and wide range of skills
"Why do you care so much about Jason's age/keep insisting how young he is"
Because every fucking day I'm witness to discourse about how some insert Jason ship is a proship because "Jason is a grown man" when he's literally their age or younger. Or posts about "a grown man beating up a little kid" and it's Jason and Tim. Or how "embarrassing it is to see a grown man wearing a cheap Robin costume" and it's Jason wearing a quality custom fitted Robin costume while still not being as old Dick was when Dick left the mantle. Or how Jason is a grown man and should act like it. Or how Jason is a grown man and should know better. Or how Jason is a grown man trying to encourage underage drinking. Or how Jason is a grown man and should get away from children. Grown man grown man grown fucking man and he's literally a fucking teenager in majority of these examples. and younger than Tim in all of them.
im positively obsessed with the idea of jason finding out about dick killing the joker, and it meaning absolutely nothing to him -- hell it might even make how he sees dick, sees the bats, even worse
just the idea that jason has been pulling away, he cant find a reason to keep trying with these people, person after person, kid after kid, name after name gone. ages ranging far too low to keep playing this game of cat and mouse, to keep pretending that he will ever be happy with these people.
he's been selfish, so so SO fucking selfish and hasn't been worth a fuck.
the bats notice, they see jason willing to hit harder, that he pulls back later and later and later, how he doesn't even bother yelling amymore, he says his piece and shuts down -- no amount of poking, prodding, and berating is getting him to engage
and so they gamble
it's a big one, but they're desperate.
they've got jason in the cave, another night of close calls, another night of the tension ratcheting up in all their shoulders, they know what he wants to do, and jason knows what he SHOULD do, but they press on
and in a desperate bid, they tell jason dick killed the joker, a hail mary if jason's ever heard one, and the fucked up part is, he believes it, he believes it 100%, but he knows there's more to this story and the GUILT on dick's face disgusts him.
his stomach rolls with it, it's almost as bad as how he felt when shelia looked at him, mid puff, mid crowbar, mid bone shatter.
the regret, the guilt, the fucking cowardice
jason remembers heaving when he looked at her, blood and bile mixing in ways no child should ever taste.
he wants to now
at least there's no blood
instead, he demands the footage, placates them with removing his guns from their holsters, knives clatter on the table and taking off the mask, they wanna catalog his disgust and disappointment that's on them
and he watches how the joker taunts dick about him, how the idea of tim being dead was enough of a straw to break the camels back, how dick's already folding under the pressure, how bruce takes one look at his golden boy and moves to fix it
tim matters to dick
dick matters to bruce
and jason matters to no one
dick cant watch the footage, he knows what he did, he sees it flash behind his eyes plenty, he just watches jason, and they're being shut out -- jason's face is blank, carefully, there's nothing they expected to see, no tears, no joy, no satisfaction-- there's nothing
dick feels his tongue fumble for words, "i. . . couldn't stand him talking about you like that"
and jason snorts, "ah okah so we're pretending you didnt think tim was dead, got it," he rolls his shoulders and starts walking back to his weapons
tim cant help but cut in, as if what he has to say will make a difference, "he gave you what you wanted, what more do you need"
jason continues to check his weapons over, sliding knives back into place, "what i wanted was a dead joker, what i wanted was a family that valued me more than that sack of flesh, instead, ive got three cowsrds staring back at me wondering if they got an A for effort."
jason's hands are steady, relaxed even, his mask sits in his hands and he briefly flicks his eyes down, it's kight and somehow painfully heavy, from the color, to the title, to the power -- it's defined his life for the last decade and realizes. . .
these people were never worth it.
50 dead 32 of them under the age of 18, all people he could have helped, could have kept ALIVE if he wasnt so busy tearing scabs open and bleeding at the feet of people that cant even BEGIN to understand what loyalty means
it's them or the city
them or the people
them or his people
he puts his mask back on, "im done, dont call me."
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oh brother
"how much sorrow can i take" and i instantly imagine jason omg i'm gonna jump off a cliff
sometimes I wonder if omegaverse would fix everything or make it worse because bruce and co (who I imagine to be a pack full of alphas) would look at (only omega!!) jason’s whole schtick and would either
a) try to attract or woo him back to their pack by essentially ‘looking past’ what he does, as they’re more concerned about him being by himself as an omega. giving him gifts like soft blankets and clothing, expensive jewelry, and so on. maybe even weapons, machinery and case intel. basically, holding back from treating him like a criminal because having their omega back with them is more important. (they absolutely still mess up by being invasive, not respecting boundaries, but it’s typical to familial behaviour)
b) recontextualise to fit him into some category of distressed omega with no pack socialisation lashing out and start regurgitating this whole spiel of ‘Jason this isn’t you’ before completely ignoring and violating his autonomy in even worse ways than canon because everyone’s so convinced he isn’t in his right mind so he needs to be scruffed, bitten, etc. into submission, and then locked in the manor or something. (he’s of perfectly rational and sound mind though.)
I say fix everything but I think Jason would find the former sequence of events patronising. anyways, I just love the idea of Jason Todd being an omega and that causing people (for better or for worse) to reframe his actions and behaviour. It would frustrate him to no end if his actions were minimised/not taken seriously/dismissed (you name it) just because of his secondary gender. something something him being viewed as hysterical <3
ONLY OMEGA JASON TODD IS MY SHITTTTT I LOVE IT SMMMM i love love love when he's the one doted on by everyone while also being the only one who can bring the whole family together with his omega-ness (aka, the only one who can calm bruce down and make him normal again)
i can't remember if it's fics i read or just discussions ive had with @jstodd but i love the idea of bruce being so broken about losing his only omega child and never being normal again after his death. it takes jason coming back to life to fix bruce's behaviour/make him whole again and rekindle the pack as he takes the position of head omega <3 me when jason is the only one who can fix bruce <3333
OMG I CAN SEE IT BOTH WAYS
i can see them infantilizing him and trying to convince him that he's just been corrupted-- that this isn't really him. dick, bruce, and babs take the frontline because they knew firsthand what a sweet and adorable omega child he was so there's no way this jason is truly as 'evil' as they think. no no no he must be brainwashed. he must've been taken advantage of in the leagues oh our poor baby we need to bring him home
and it just. drives jason mad. he has zero autonomy. the bats refuse to accept that he's doing this all because he wants to and not because he's some weak omega being manipulated. he's torn between loving that they're spoiling him and speaking so sweetly to him, and hating that they're only doing it because they still see him as their innocent, precious little baby. it makes him sick because he so badly just wants to roll over and accept their loving treatment, to let himself be loved and be brought back into his pack, but none of it feels real.
does his dad see nineteen year old jason or his twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen year old puppy? does dick see a competent young man or a little omega he regrets not having scented and cuddled with more?
he's already seen as too emotional and hysterical in canon so him being an omega would absolutely make this worse.
YOUR NOTE ABOUT THE SCRUFFING- OMG YES they 100% cross all his boundaries because they think they have a right to him. he's supposed to be their omega, supposed to take care of damian and bruce and make sure they're all getting along. he's their glue. they're his alphas. their pack wouldn't be so out of array if jason hadn't died by being disobedient. but he can be better now. they use their alpha voices on him if he tries to leave and 'gently' scruff his neck when he gets too rowdy. overwhelm him with their pheromones until he's a little more docile, until he stops complaining. he belongs in their arms, like he stayed when he was a child.
if that little jason could nuzzle a frustrated bruce's cheek and calm bruce and dick's arguments with the easy release of his sweet pheromones, then this jason can too. this jason will.
THANK YOU FOR THE MESSAGE ANON #omegajasontodd4life i hope you'll forgive my late response and send more of your yummy thoughts in the future ☹️♥️
I remember reading a fic a few months back that did such an interesting job tackling the idea of Jason being a csa survivor, in which he was trying to hide it from an overly invasive Batfam and in the climax of the story, he tells them and is hella resentful over it and ends up literally just ditching all of them which they're just like, "B-B-But Bruce loves youou..." And Jason runs off to detroit or Canada or smth because he find out Lady Shiva is actually his mom and his dad might not have been Willis.
Wild fic. I'm defo not remembering the details properly, but wild fic.
omg i know this is from a month ago but babe if you end up finding the fic, please lmk!!! i love fics centred around jason and csa, especially the hurt/comfort ones that take place when he's still a kid </3
the "but bruce loves you" shit is EVERYWHEREEE both in canon and fanon omg jason you sweet victim i need to save you
i don't know if i'm just out of the fandom loop because i only exist here to talk to my anons and fellow jason enjoyers i follow but i thought everything was chill... jason todd twitter is a hell

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THE SOUND I LET OUT LMFAOOOOOO
everyone thinking jason hates being looked after and cared for but really, they've just been going about it wrong and by crossing his boundaries (by demeaning him), which is why he brushes them off every time. jason would love to be called every so often and checked in on like he's thirteen and not nineteen. he would love to be protected like he's that same tiny little kid (even if he's not and will never be again). he wants it all so badly but everyone thinks he'd rather be alone and oh jason can take care of himself
they think he's the protector, the big guy who doesn't need anyone to watch his back, so they flock to him for protection and care. they expect him to take care of them, to be the tough one they can rant to and never be a listening ear in turn. jason has protected people since he was born. he's been a caregiver for as long as he could remember. naturally, his needs go unmet and ignored. they're just not as important.
because he's not really as young as his age suggests. nineteen on another guy is young, sure, but nineteen on him is older than dick. twelve on him was older than a nineteen year old dick who wasn't allowed to be robin anymore because bruce thought he was too young to be a hero
pls ignore if this is too inappropriate but omg Jason is the biggest bottom I’ve seen in a long time oh wow, big fan of pussy power 9000 Mr Jason Todd who would 100% make peoples’ brains leak out of their ears from how amazing it would feel to be inside of him. he is beauty he is grace he is so amazing it is a privilege for people to be in his presence. so much range too, he’s so nurturing at times and he can be such a brat at others <3 what a guy <3
I COULD NEVER IGNORE SUCH TRUE AND SPLENDID WORDS!! jason is the biggest bottom i've ever come across in all my years hopping between fandoms HAJSKD i genuinely cannot see him as anything but the most submissive bottom ever and the fact that he's beefy makes it that much better
JASON TODD HAS A VAGINA !!!!!! if i checked, that might be my most visited tag on ao3 because it's that serious guys
EVERYONE LOVES HIS CUNT! it's hypnotizing omg they fall in love with him the second they slip inside and i think that's so beautiful <3 if they can make him squirt, their eyes literally become heart-shaped and his cum has created addicts
and yeah i agree 100% about him being both nurturing and bratty hehe it turns his partners on to see both sides. whenever he's being canonically bratty, i need him tamed and made to cry IMMEDIATELY like dc where's the real next page omg
WHAT A GUY INDEED !!!!!
I’m obsessed with the idea of a Jason Todd who leaves Gotham and somehow finds himself in some remote location living in a cabin with an older man, maybe even a farm, and I think he needs this spiritually. I don’t know how it happens because I’d prefer it to not even be in the US but in Denmark or something.
All I know is there’s a bigger, sly fox of a man who has worked hard for years to live comfortably (sold his demanding business or was a partner at a law firm, anything) and he needs someone to share his life with. It’s time to settle down.
Clearly, Jason just dropping into his life is a sign that this young man needs to be wifed up pronto and like, what a plus that he enjoys cooking and cleaning together.
I hc Jason to enjoy engaging in domestic things (or chopping firewood and tending to livestock together omg) generally speaking, plus he’s the best and prettiest little (comparatively) thing to come home to on the days the older man does leave to tie up loose ends now that he’s taken a step back.
They venture to the nearby city/town for dates and Jason goes there to just vibe as well, he makes friends with people from all walks of life. He joins a baking club, a book club, he reads to kids in the library, he volunteers at the pet shelter and brings home a cat with 3 legs one day.
I need him to have such a rich and fulfilling life where no one can hurt him. This was going to be all sexy but it spiralled into me wanting him to have such a wonderful life with his husband who loves him so much, always listens to him, and gets upset on his behalf when he shares about his past. Someone who is just the kind of supportive Jason needs.
Someone who is so protective of him even though the things that have hurt him are so far away from him now. You bet Jason’s walking around with his husband glued to him, arm around his waist at all times. They’re just all over each other, like why sit on a chair when Jason can sit on his husband’s lap. They’d be so ridiculous, no one is safe from their PDA.
[ I like to think that eventually Jason returns to Gotham and his work with his cat and the love of his life who would follow him to the ends of the earth in tow, he just needed a long break and it worked out so well for him, even if he’ll miss everyone he knew back where he was, there isn’t anything stopping him from staying in touch while also making new friends and memories. Also now it’s competent (but he was never not) Jason with his rich silver fox house spouse who maybe does something free to help the community.]
Same anon as the surgeon, timjay, and bruce breakdown!! I’m so sorry for spamming your asks!! I just like envisioning Jason and the multitude of personalities I want him to be with. I hope this is readable oh god.
HEY BABE!! omg i love your messages sm hehe ♥️♥️
ITS LIKE YOURE IN MY HEADDDDD me and @jstodd have talked about this exact scenario omg 😭 it's usually slade we picture as the older dude who just takes jason and gives him the domestic life in a farm he deserves but i think we once talked about it with our oc mark kent!
anyways yes yes yes to all of this!! i want jason getting up every morning to the sound of a rooster and to the feeling of an older man's (hairy or not hairy? 👀) chest under his cheek. he gets dressed in a cute little farming outfit with his adorable sun hat!!!!!!!! he gathers the eggs from the chickens, he feeds their horses, milks their cows, etc etc, and then he heads inside to make a fresh loaf of bread + cut up and juice fruits-- EVERYTHING! he is living his sweet house wife dreams <3 he gets all warm and blushy when his hunky husband walks downstairs, the floorboards creaking under his steps, and hugs him from behind
YES TO HIM BEING AN ACTIVE COMMUNITY MEMBER. they absolutely adopt a bunch of disabled and elderly animals :( omg the image of jason sitting in a rocking chair and reading to little kids ☹️♥️ BOOK CLUB! BAKING CLUB! (he will be joining mommy and me classes in the near future)
wait jason once upon a time not liking pda because it always upset him knowing he'd never have someone so openly love him BUT THEN here comes mr silver fox hunk! now he doesn't even realize when they're being affectionate in public because it comes SO naturally. if he ever brings his husband around the bats, i find it hilarious to picture him sitting on his lap and giggling while being handfed the most simple food. he's not embarrassed because he genuinely doesn't realize they're being weird as FUCK. meanwhile his husband for sure knows and he's doing it to spite bruce, aka jason's father who he is older than...
I LOVED ALL OF THIS THANK YOU ANONNN AND IM SORRY FOR THE LATE RESPONSE (if you want, pls name yourself!!)
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Hi!! This the surgeon oc + voyeur timjay anon. I hope you don’t mind me dumping another set of jason Todd thoughts !! I love him and it’s tough not talking about him 💔
One of my favourite imaginings is of him and some way older guy acting “ambiguously” while Batman and associates play ‘Colleagues or Dating’, because while I don’t think all of them are stalkers per se, they’d lack the concept of healthy boundaries. Seeing some older gruff guy carry an injured Jason — is that just to rescue his boss/crime partner?? Or is there something more going on…
Because if there was (spoiler: yes there is, Jason is not trying to hide anything lol), then that’s completely inappropriate!!! Bruce disapproves (lol like Jason cares), because this man!!! This… guy… he’s Bruce’s age, if not older. Was Jason groomed?? Was he manipulated into this relationship?? There’s so much going on in Bruce’s head meanwhile Jason is living his most joyous life with a robin-hood type criminal hubby. A man who actually understands him and doesn’t think he needs fixing or isn’t of perfectly rational mind.
Idk I just love Jason Todd getting the happy and fulfilling life with a much older husband he deserves while everyone else has mental breakdowns about it.
P.S. if this is all not your vibe, I totally get that!! just sharing, pls tell me to stop if you wish :D
AHHHHH YES YES YES kissing you on the forehead anon this is chefs kiss !!!! (also i will never be upset about you dumping your thoughts in my inbox DONT EVER STOPPP ☹️ i love it sm i just take a while to reply sigh sigh im so sorry)
LMAOAO bruce and his colleagues (he forced them to help) stalking jason like their lives depend on it. jason 100% knows he's being watched and he gives them a little show every time like the brat he is. if bruce is gonna be an overprotective ass, he'll have to suffer the consequences. i also love him being competent as hell and annoying bruce by continuously without fail spotting him no matter where he is. he'll reach up on his tippie toes to kiss his man and make direct eye contact with bruce who's hiding on a rooftop three neighbourhoods away.
his partner being older than bruce is actually everything to me (partly why sladejay is so peak!) because i can see it being intentional on jason's part, while also being completely accidental. one day this sexy silver fox of a hunky man began flirting (very eloquently and gentlemanly, might he add) with him and jason thought, well he's super hot and so gentle with me but he's also older than bruce :/ wait.... he's older than bruce :)
bruce definitely immediately thinks the worst. he refuses to believe jason isn't being groomed and taken advantage of. he starts treating jason like a victim and it pisses him off to the max. it's even worse when the rest of bruce's justice league friends and dick's titan friends start doing the same thing. he's going to punch someone and it'll probably be bruce!
meanwhile his husband is entirely unbothered (yes i just made him a metahuman and yes he can hold his own weight against literal super-powered humans and isn't that so sexy for jason)
p.s bruce freaks out when he hears jason refer to him as his husband for the first time
tis i, ur al ghul fam anon who still needs a shorter name back after however long. saw ur recent posts, absolutely beautiful. imagine jason's just in a good mood on a job one night when he's supposed to be sniping someone and he gets a little too relaxed and they see him but just. let it happen cuz hot damn, what a way to go. practically a blessing, really.
anyway!! came here after an older post of urs popped up and i started thinking....... jason being the ultimate 'crush on ur friends older sibling' like cmon now. one of the younger bats bring a couple friends over to the manor, and jason isnt around much so they've never seen him before n are probably just getting over dick, and then-
theyre like, getting snacks n getting set up or whatever and jay just wanders past in literally anything, maybe a tshirt n gray sweatpants i dunno it doesnt matter really lmao. the younger bat is immediately like oml here we go n braced to deal with whatever bullshit the siblings r up to, as usual, rolling eyes n sighing. they look over to their friends for support like, 'sibling amirite??' only to see those mfs absolutely SWOONING, jaws DROPPED. baby bat is fucking horrified. jason doesnt even notice.
w/ love, :3
HEY BABEEE i promise im getting to your messages 🥲
YES TO ALL OF THIS! i don't remember what recent post i had at the time you sent me this but im gonna assume it's that one where i showed a pic of that woman with a gun looking cunt as fuck and said it's jason. BUT ABSOLUTELY omg they're like yeah we're gonna die soon but what a way to go out holy shit 😍
I LOVEEEE THIS HC OMG JASON BEING THE HOT OLDER SISTERRRR (let's consider him being the classic edgy, gum-smacking older sis with a big attitude that we see in every 90s-2000s movies)
the younger bats bringing friends over to the manor not thinking anything of it until jason steps out completely unbothered and uninterested, looking every bit like an awkward pimple-faced teen's walking wet dream !!! he's just here to grab a pop tart why the hell are some snot nosed kids gaping at him like that
jason not realizing his appeal is so canon hjshsj he'll come join the group as they're watching tv and stand to the side so he can insult whatever they're watching. meanwhile all he did was give them a full view of his body which is not helping
now the younger bat has to deal with their friends BEGGING to come over all the fucking time