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Bonus: Henderhop and Byler parallel
ℕ𝕚𝕝𝕝𝕒 𝕎𝕒𝕗𝕖𝕣𝕤
What is real?
"I thought you said you were real." Define real.
El piggybacked, but she told Max that she was real. Steve told Nancy that what Vecna showed her wasn't real. He said it again in 501 when they prepped for the crawl. Dreams feel real until you wake up.
ThEoReTiCaLlY. It's just a theory. My theory, it has holes. Well, theoretically speaking. If my theory is right. Is that a fact, or a theory? Wormholes are purely theoretical. Theory Theory Theory Theoretical Theoretical Theoretical Theoretical Theoretically Theoretically Theoretically Theoretically la de dah la dah deeeeee daaaaaaa
Conformity is killing the kids. Eddie was never fake. Divergents can see reality.
Break the glass.
I'm sure this must have been mentioned before but it seems especially relevant what with all the conformitygate time travel/loop things going on so I thought I'd bring it up anyway.
In Season 2 Episode 2, Bob gives Jonathan his camcorder for Halloween and we can clearly see the time is 5:43.
Later when the party are out trick or treating we see the time again: 7:22
And when Mike gets annoyed at Will the time is shown again: 8:04
And 2 out of the 3 times we are shown the camcorder footage the minute changes, our eye is drawn to it, we are made to pay attention.
But then in the next episode when Joyce is looking back through the footage the times have all changed:
Bob gives Jonathan the camcorder: changed from 5:43 to 6:11
Party trick or treating: changed from 7:22 to 7:45
Mike annoyed at Will: changed from 8:04 to 8:15
These specific times can clearly be seen when Joyce is flicking through the footage, and the minute for the Bob scene changes just like last episode.
But the time difference isn't consistent, we go from 28 minutes to 23 minutes to 11 minutes. The time gap is decreasing, suggesting that at some point both 'versions' of the footage would show the same time. It's not entirely clear (at least to me) when the timelines would converge but since the next scene we see with Will is crazy together with Mike I don't think it's beyond reason to suggest this is when it would happen.
Another thing to note is that Joyce watches footage of Will being jumpscared by some older kids just before he slips in to the UD but in the previous episode we see that he is not filming (a parallel timeline perhaps???)
Maybe he's just doing some weird angles, this is the best shot I could find so it's hard to tell but I'm sure he's not actively filming here like the footage suggests
I haven't worked out when the timeline might have split or maybe they're entirely separate (eg time loop) or what any of this really means in general but this is definitely weird to me. They specifically drew our attention to the footage and time stamps in both episodes and then just never mentioned it again??? Maybe I'm reaching but there's so many weird time things going on this season (Kali's gang car chase scene, random ticking) and in the show as a whole for them just to be complete accidents.
And this isn't even the only time camcorder footage has caused continuity issues
The Passage of Time
From Summer to Fall. In the S1 Rewatch video, Jonathan said that he found Will by taking pictures of leaves.
GREEN 🌿
This is when Robin and Will find the Mandela.
This is Vickie looking out the WSQK window in 508. It is CLEARLY summer.
In EP3, the creel house trees are green, but at the EP2 end shot, it's more yellow.
Here the signal tower is green/gray.
YELLOW 🍂
Then the tower goes from yellow to red.
This is from EP1 when they wait for Dustin to arrive.
This is the EP2 end shot when Holly walks in the house.
This is the EP7 "one last crawl" conversation.
The vision of Holly was something that already happened. Look at the trees. In Will's position all the trees are dead and the ground is covered in leaves.
Part of the Like a Sorcerer scene is a memory, so this is the non-memory part (red tower). Grass is also more yellow.
Compare this shot to the one of Mike/Lucas above.
RED 🍁
All of the shots that are inexplicably autumn come from EP1. The ground is covered in leaves.
The Mac-Z trees are fully dead. They are also dead in EP1 during the crawl.
Someone made a great post about the seasons a while back that I could not find lmk if you have it.

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Fly or die Buy? Bradley's Big Buy and how Erica foreshadows how we win
I've tried to make this post as accessible as possible if you haven't read my previous Bradley's Big Buy theory but it does provide useful context. The main things you need to know for this one:
The Bradley's Big Buy lorry is Camazotz/Vecna's mind. Murray is Santa and therefore Vecna.
Will is possessed in the coming out scene. It's a game of chess and this is where Mike is finally 'taken' but it's likely our characters are flayed all season.
Robin's Tammy advice makes her unintentionally one of Santa's (Vecna's) elves. Vecna exploits her advice to drive Mike and Will away from each other.
If you want to know how we got here read that previous post. I'm going to take them for granted here.
Housekeeping:
I include meta stuff like the documentary in the 'ending' of the show. I'm going to refer to this as a 'timeline' despite believing the other 'timeline' will follow on from the current one.
Whenever I talk about fault I'm only talking on a coding level. The moral of the show is that these characters' actions are a result of social conditions that affect their interactions with others. Likely supernaturally explained by our characters being 'flayed.' I don't think anyone's evil or intentionally unhelpful.
I stand by that Lucas' friends should have come to his basketball game.
I am going to jump back in at Will's coming out scene. At this point we've identified that almost every thing Will lists that he 'loves' is odd or a clue in some way. I want to talk about two more odd details: drinking Coke and Pop Rocks, and NASA. First...
Coke and Pop Rocks
This is weird because of the myth that drinking Coke and Pop Rocks could cause your stomach to explode. It was especially popular in the 70s and 80s.
It came from an urban legend that the actor who played Little Mikey in the Life cereal advert had died from a stomach rupture after drinking Coke and Pop Rocks.
We've seen coding related to Little Mikey and Life cereal before.
Oh yeah. So we're in the cereal aisle of Bradley's Big Buy again.
This makes it two times Will references cereal in his coming out and both times it leads back to Big Buy.
This shot has been interpreted as Byler evidence because of the Life cereal advert. Little Mikey is given Life cereal to try. His two brothers say he won't eat it because "he hates everything," but when he does eat it they say, "He likes it! Hey Mikey," which has since become an iconic line associated with the brand.
It's very similar to the whole "try before you deny," situation from S4. Will being framed with Life cereal suggests it's him that 'Mikey' likes.
It's interesting then that Will brings up Coke and Pop Rocks which people believe killed Little Mikey. The thing is though it's a myth. Little Mikey is fine and drinking Coke and Pop Rocks won't kill you.
This fits into the Vecna is a cereal (serial) killer puns.
Chrissy wants 'Special K' before she gets Vecna'd
Vickie has a bowl of cereal before she just straight up disappears.
When Jason is dressed as One in 4x02 he's eating a bowl of cereal.
I completely forgot about this thread in my previous Big Buys posts. An aisle of cereal suddenly seems very sinister though when we know that Vecna absorbs his victims. If this Big Buy is also Vecna's mind then it having a cereal aisle is just a tad concerning.
And it is implied that this also might be the mindscape. They break in through the window in the door -> they break into the Creel House through the window in the door -> the Creel House is Camazotz -> therefore Big Buy is Camazotz.
Mike and El sit underneath a big sign that says meat which is a hint that our characters are flayed (this could be true of S3 technically but I believe it's more likely foreshadowing for S5). This links to some other hints like Hopper being 'beef' since S2 (when he absorbed all the particles in the tunnels) and ordering a filet (flayed) in the epilogue.
Thank you to @there-was-a-hole-here-itsgonenow who pointed this out in 2022 but on the wall we also have a neon sign that says "Always #1 at Bradley" above Will. Also concerning.
It creates a purplish red light, especially on El. They used a similar technique in S5 with the red light in the Big Buys lorry. It's less starkly bright red in S3 because at this point going inside the mind of those possessed by the Mindflayer looks more like this colour.
Because I've brought up Coke and cereal we've gotta talk about Lucas. He is both in the cereal aisle and has a speech about Coke.
We got a reference back to Lucas' New Coke speech in S5.
In S3 Lucas' remarks about New Coke is met with the Classic Mike Disgust. Mike, and literally everyone else, prefers Coca-Cola classic. Mike and Lucas then go on to have a very meta argument about whether Coke can be used as analogy for the film 'The Thing' and its remake. Mike's relationship with El is described as "this thing" by Hopper. With all the coding that El is Will's replacement then his relationship with Will is Coca-Cola Classic and his relationship with El is New Coke
People have already pointed out that Lucas' and Erica's plans are a reference to the two 'endings': Lucas' is stupid as shit, Erica's is slow as shit.
But GOD does it go deep. It's not just their plans that foreshadow the two endings, their simultaneous wins in 4x01 do too.
Lucas' ending, the ending we got, is New Coke
There is a conspiracy theory that New Coke was brought back to improve sales of Coca-Cola Classic. Theoretically it would remind people why they should be drinking the original formula. This would be one of the points of making a bad ending to Stranger Things. You either have to choose the straight, boring, bad ending or the well crafted, entertaining, gay one. Do you care more about good art or heterosexual art?
This week we got yet another reference to the current bad timeline being 'New Coke'. Tales From '85 was announced to come out on April 23rd, the same date New Coke was released.
Information about this animation comes from an account called @/BradleysBigBuy (there it is) who might be a Netflix plant, discovered by @whispering-goat (source) and some of the other folks on the Conformitygate discord server (thanks guys).
Why Big Buys though? Because we are being 'sold' the current ending by Vecna/Mindflayer. Murray keeps advertising products like Truman's wife from the Truman show, and WSQK sync plays adverts over characters 'selling' you a certain narrative. It's the music that wakes you up from your trance. Will's coming out speech reads like an advertisement because he's possessed but they're 'selling' that he's not. Big Buys is the kind of big-box store that cares more about profit not quality. The ending of the show, the untrustworthy journalism afterwards, and the animation all fit into this narrative. Everyone, including the writers, have been Vecna'd.
But why is Lucas the person selling us New Coke?
Because he's selling us Mike and El's relationship. Lucas is the person who we see pushing Mike to be with Eleven over the course of the show, enabling Mike's compulsory heterosexuality.
In the S3 vending machine scene, Lucas encourages Mike to get back together with El and as he does so we see him take all the skittles from the vending machine. This gets paralleled in S5 by Robin who symbolically takes Mike's opportunity to "taste the rainbow" (sorry) away from him with her Tammy advice.
We get further parallels between Robin and Lucas as Robin calls Steve and Jonathan 'lovebirds' in 5x08 like Lucas does to Mike and El in 5x01, and Robin has a New Coke can in the epilogue (missed this one in my last post). Lucas and Robin both project assumptions onto Mike based on their own experiences.
Why do I think our 'ending' is Lucas' plan/win?
The S3 and S5 battles are very close parallels, complete with a fancy new meatflayer, and both times it's Lucas who suggests raining fire down from above (S3 in Big Buy again). The final battle we get is how Lucas thinks we should defeat the monster and likely copied from our characters' memories of the S3 meatflayer fight.
We expected a psychological final battle, likely with Mike and Will's relationship helping to save the world. Instead they saved it with firepower. We know that doesn't work.
It links back to the Big Buys Lorry again, where Murray (Santa/Vecna) sneaks grenades in under the expected greens.
Projectiles are usually associated with Lucas because he's our Ranger, and grenades specifically get associated with Lucas in S5.
Lucas' plan itself led to the Mindflayer particles going up the tower (interfering with signals) and Will being trapped in Vecna's mind. This is likely where Will became possessed and gave the Mindflayer the opportunity to exploit Robin's advice.
(Here's Lucas next to more cereal when he comes up with the plan).
Then there's the basketball game in S4 which is absolutely full of clues. Lucas plays on the Tigers. Tammy sings for them. Robin and Vickie are in the band, and Nancy and Steve are also there. Vecna has always been the Tiger.
We've got a lot of suspicious details in this scene:
The number 14, which should be a symbol of our characters winning (Mike 7 + Will 7 = 14), loses against the Tigers.
El (011) is on the falcons, Henry (001) is the Tiger mascot.
Tammy sings and the mascot supports her. Robin's Tammy advice is used by Vecna/Mindflayer against Mike and Will in 5x07. We get the sense here that Tammy and Vecna are aligned; the mascot likes her singing.
The name of the team that loses are the falcons. Mike's chess piece is a falcon (source).
It's difficult to read but I believe one of the posters behind the crows says "Tigers eat Falcon meat" which might be another flayed hint.
The Coke (New Coke not Coca-Cola Classic) logo is next to the scoreboard.
It's also interesting that the falcons have 69 points. The 'good' timeline has a lot of innuendo associated with it (like a lot) and I wonder if the SA allegory (and therefore sexual liberation) might be a bigger part of future episodes.
Lucas wins. But Lucas wins for the Tigers, therefore he wins for Vecna. A win sponsored by New Coke.
So what about Erica?
Well firstly Erica doesn't seem to have any qualms about what relationships should look like. She makes He-man and Barbie kiss, despite the fact they're from different planets, and she straight up calls Lucas Jason's boyfriend. Plus, she gets into D&D as a result of Will and Mike's gay little D&D donation scene and the scene of her receiving it opens on a rainbow.
Erica was very pro-capitalism in S3 and while it hasn't been explicitly brought up since, Erica's general belief system has since obviously evolved.
There's also the very very obvious: it's Erica's natural 20 that kills Vecna. The game starts with him coming back from what they believed to be the dead.
Erica's crit hit takes place backstage. Considering all the play imagery this feels really significant.
I talked previously about how the food items characters touch and eat in the 5x05 WSQK planning scene are significant. There's the skittles exchange and Lucas' popcorn. This is symbolic of Max's survival (their movie date Friday) so it foreshadows that his plan will save Max's life. It pays off that same episode.
Erica is a lot more complex. She briefly touches Chips Ahoy to remind us of Scoops Ahoy and then takes a juice carton of Hi-C Ecto-Cooler. Already we've got a little bit of symbolism in the colour; Hi-C Ecto-Cooler is bright green when it would usually be orange. The opposite of the current timeline.
It's a Halloween speciality drink that's inspired by the ectoplasm in Ghostbusters. This immediately links back to the Scoops Troop in the elevator in S3. There Erica was trying to drink the green fluid, which is also inspired by Ghostbusters' ectoplasm. It's a substance left behind by paranormal activity so this is meant to be the first sign to our characters that the supernatural is involved.
Steve uses the canister to prop open the door and help them all escape. This foreshadows that Erica's plan will save Dustin and Steve, specifically from an underground lab (in this case the lab in the Upside Down). There's quite a few parallels to the Scoops plot-line in general with everyone looking over the wall to see Murray near the entrance. Mike both times struggles to pick up signals from Dustin.
The implication in the S3 scene is that Mike's attempted relationship with El is leading to a breakdown in the party's communication. Guess where this happens guys. Guess! It's Bradley's Big Buy! Because where else?
In S5 it's Murray and Robin (Santa and his elf) who are found at the scene of the crime; they're where the breakdown in communication is coming from.
Mike couldn't tell El he loved her, even in Big Buy. Mike couldn't tell El he loved her even in The Rightside Up aka Camazotz.
Destroying the wall
If we track back to the Russian elevator scene we also got the first reference to peeing on the wall of the Upside Down. Steve refers to it as 'taking a leak' like the S5 soldier.
Before the soldier 'takes a leak' he mentions the letter H and the number 1. H1 is Lover's Lake.
Both peeing and leaks get associated with Mike in S5.
^ All of those parallels take place in bathrooms. There's the additional parallel of Robin saying "Shit." when Will's can explodes.
Mike's coffee and the soldier peeing are also parallels (stream of fluid, steam), and Mike takes a sip as he walks by the bathroom. Can we get another "You still wanna drink that?" from Robin please?
It's suggested that water harms the Upside Down. Water symbolises emotions, memories and romantic feelings. The analogy here is that these things can break down your emotional wall (what the Upside Down represents). Mike needs to use his memories to break down his emotional wall. Robin tells Steve to redirect his stream. Another crime, Robin yet again on the scene. She's stopping Mike from breaking down the wall.
It is interesting that they chose to make a reference to this scene during Erica's plan when any other scene from the Scoops plot would have the same implications for an underground lab escape. Combined with all the other evidence of something going on at Lovers Lake? I think it's likely that LoversLakeGate will happen
So far we've talked about a lotta different subtext and analogies but since Erica's plan involved rainbow balloons we've gotta talk about one more piece of the puzzle...
The Queer Subtext of Flying
There's a lot you could use to support that flying is queercoded in Stranger Things but I think the clearest example comes from Robin's 5x04 speech. She describes the feeling of queer joy/freedom as feeling "Like [she] could fly."
It's not an isolated event; Will is described as flying around in "fairyland", El makes Mike fly to save him from suicide, Will draws a rainbow spaceship.
El is partially an allegorical character but for queerness or queer love ('childhood magic' means the same). I understand why people are uncomfortable with El as an allegory, but the point is that when queerness leaves the subtext El will gain the freedom to be her own person. There is a meta narrative of allegory/control -> text/freedom going on here.
El being able to fly at the start of S5 is foreshadowing. Our queer characters will soon be able to 'fly' too.
In Rink O' Mania we find El crying in a closet next to a broken plane (the inability to 'fly') and a broken water fountain (remember everything I just said about water?). While she does Mike and Will fight outside and the track, "In the closet at Rink-O-Mania" plays. El then lashes out like Mike does. The subtext here is very clear.
The 'Plane Crash'
The plane is very interesting because in S4 aviation is a reoccurring motif. There's 3 planes (to Cali, to Alaska, to Russia) and 2 helicopters (the military, Katinka) but they also get mentioned repeatedly.
My favourite example of this motif is from 4x09. Jonathan tries to get a plane for El (and he says she's not going to make it through the night) but there are none available right now.
As much as there are references to flying there are also references to crashing aircraft.
Joyce and Murray get sedated (Vecna sedates his victims) while drinking coffee (Mike is our S5 coffee drinker) and put on a plane that subsequently crashes.
El crashes a helicopter in 4x08 (the painting lie happened earlier that episode).
Yuri tries to sabotage Katinka in 4x09.
If we go back to Lucas' basketball game, Lucas' vest number (8) was chosen to honour Kobe. He died tragically in a helicopter accident. Kobe also wore the number 24 later in his career as a symbol of his maturity which we see worn by the falcons, not the tigers. Kobe played for the Lakers, which is significant for the water coding.
Will's NASA reference in his coming out is not weird per se, but it is important. In 1987 NASA was recovering from the Challenger disaster, making improvements to safety so that they could reattempt flight. The Challenger disaster occurred because of a known fault that the O-rings were unable to seal properly in cold weather. Lift off took place in very low temperatures -> the disaster occurred and seven people were killed.
The cold makes Will susceptible to possession -> Will gets possessed and crashes the 'rainbow ship' (his and Mike's relationship). Will's memories of the ship are missing alongside his memories of Mike when we see them again in 5x07.
Will needs to keep warm so he doesn't get possessed but he uses his jacket to suppress the leak (his and Mike's feelings).
Then there's a few references to 'The Day the Music Died', the plane crash that killed Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens and 'The Big Bopper' near Clear Lake. In S5 one of the things we get sold are Boppers ("Bopper while we wait?").
Repeatedly in the Russia plotline our characters and the aircraft they use are referred to as birds (Hopper continues to refer to them as such in S5). They again tell us what needs to happen to win.
Get the traitor in line by reminding them of who they really are -> get something to fly -> orchestrate a prison escape. The Russia team are the only team who truly succeed in their plan. Hopper becomes a paladin when he does.
There's the possibility that Robin is Yuri. It's hilarious that he might be named Yuri, as in the genre. He compares getting Katinka to fly with sex. He is the 'Peanut Butter Smuggler' after all and peanut butter gets used repeatedly as a gay innuendo.
Hopper and Joyce get caught 'indulging' in peanut butter in a Church and a plane that crashes.
So basically I think there's a reason that all of Vecna's chess pieces are birds. There's a reason the team that lost against the tigers are the falcons. Robin herself is named after a bird. Our characters have to fly to win.
In 5x07, when everyone is planning how they will get up to the Abyss Hopper suggests using a Helicopter.
Everyone else ridicules him for it but Hopper is wearing a shirt that says "music lives on TDK" that we basically only see in this scene. His plan is the one where the music lives (flight), rather than dies (plane crash), and likely involves a cassette tape.
In this exchange we get the pointed lines, "Fly or die." "Well then I guess we die." We're told that to win we need to fly but that just doesn't happen. So the logical conclusion is that we lost.
This all links back to Vecna's plan which is supposedly to bring the Abyss and Hawkins together to merge them. A plane (as in dimension) crash.
We have a very weird pattern regarding the reporting of Tales From '85 and aviation disasters. I talked earlier how @whispering-goat identified suspicious articles regarding the animation where they take the @/BradleysBigBuy account as an official source (here again). What was most interesting to me are the dates, because they all align with the major aviation tragedies that have been referenced to in the show.
January 26th - Screen Rant article - anniversary of Kobe's death (helicopter).
January 28th - Collider and Dexerto articles - anniversary of the Challenger disaster (spacecraft).
February 3rd - Tales From '85 trailer drops - anniversary of 'The Day the Music Died' (plane).
They're selling us this plane crash. And then there's the two other important dates, also aligning with the things they're selling:
April 23rd - Tales From '85 release date - New Coke's release date
November 6th - Tales From '85 teaser dropped - Date of Will's disappearance.
Additional minor hint I want to point out here: There is an upside down... box? That says Blue Bird in the WSQK basement. I briefly noted in my last post that the WSQK in the Upside Down might be where Vecna is actually residing. This is because it has a red tower (Circuit city) and the lorry (Big Buy).
If Will's powers are proximity based it would make sense that there was something in the Upside Down WSQK basement since he tapped into the hive-mind from there. Vance and Mindy are radio hosts and their chess pieces (King and Queen) are inside the booth. This might be where they're keeping everyone's bodies while they're in Camazotz. It would make sense if I'm right about the coming out scene being where we enter complete unreality rather than partial unreality.
Rainbow Balloons
Erica, Mr Clarke and Murray use the balloons to get signals. But they have to cut the string and let them fly to do so. There's references to the Voyager space probes. Voyager 1 is the furthest man-made object from Earth. Literally could not fly higher. Erica is by a lake again.
We know the balloon scene is about Mike and Will because Murray makes the same suggestion that Robin makes:
Been there, done that, didn't work.
This balloon thing also fits with birthdaygate and all the clown coding.
There's the suggestion that the balloons relate to Mike or Will's cave memories. It might be both of their cave memories. Someone 'popped their green balloons' at Will's birthday. More about the clown imagery here. I'm curious how supernatural this memory is because the Tiger shows up a lot. (The flayed want to go back to the source, as in water source? Go back to the first feeling/memory/trauma. The source of the water.)
Loosing their balloons might again mean letting go or processing something so that you can accept yourself (fly). Like the riding in the baggage compartment thing from earlier. Then you can pick up signals.
This is a very long post, so... Conclusions?
Bradley's Big Buy (Mindflayer) is currently selling us a bad timeline where:
We get the New Coke ending. Hinted by Lucas.
Mike can't tell El sincerely that he loves her.
They 'defeat' the big bad with firepower.
The plane crashes and therefore music died.
Will is possessed and everyone is flayed.
Vecna uses Robin's Tammy Thomson advice.
But we'll get the good timeline (hinted by Erica) where:
Queer acceptance allows Mike to fly.
The signals get picked up again.
Mike and Will get together.
Our characters breaks out of Camazotz.
We destroy the wall using water -> possibly to do with Lovers Lake.
They finally unpack Mike and Will's baggage - Birthdaygate
The music lives - possible via a cassette tape (For Will?)
So really the question is which ending do you choose?
Do you fly or do you buy?
There's no way to cover everything and how it all connects together but here are some posts I think are relevant. I don't agree with all of the conclusions or all of the connections but I think many of the things brought up are something to chew on with these theories in mind.
Theory that Mike witnessed something happen to Will and that's his cave - I think this is very likely. Lots of the same imagery as the fairground. Links to the coffee stuff I talked about as well because Mike sees into the hospital room after taking that sip of his coffee.
Santa's gifts and Mike's mental space - More about repression and water coding. Not mentioned in post but relevant, there is another 69 in Benny's Burgers.
Vecna is Santa and he ruined our Christmas - More about Bradley's Big Buy and specifically Robin and Tammy's role in it.
Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone Parallels - More about chess and flying.
Clown imagery and Will's fear of clowns
Cherry Cola Float - Connections with ice cream floats, balloons and clowns at the Superbowl. Think about Erica, Scoops and balloons.
Robin, spaceships and Project Mercury - More subtext that flying is queercoded.
Is everyone flayed? - My theory comes down to the coming out scene being where Camazotz starts but I think everyone is flayed before.
More El as allegory for Mike's feelings
Twins and 3 Byers children imagery - Queer subtext becoming text allows El to become a real person with her own arc. Joyce becomes a mother of three on a plane.
More on water symbolism
Mike witnessed or knows about Lonnie's abuse
Another Brick in the Wall pt. 2 Meat vs Pudding - Does not include the fact that the 'filet' points to them being flayed so keep that in mind at the same time.
Eddie is Mike & what this means for conformitygate
Which also leads me to: Tales From ’85 Is Not Canon and Who the Hell is Nikki Baxter?
Tales Is Not Canon:
I’ll try to keep this part brief but it is definitely relevant to my interpretation of / theory about Nikki Baxter. And I’ll admit, this seems like a head canon for now but I got some interesting nuggets for ya to back it up, so hear me out.
In the teaser for Tales, some of our protagonists act a little too out of character for my liking. Most specifically, Hopper. He would literally never in a million years let El out of the cabin to go on monster hunting adventures with the gang, especially in between s2-s3. Remember even Mike is outraged that Max took El out of isolation in s3. And as begrudgingly as Hopper is to let El go, it is still way OOC, to the point where I’m led to believe this story is not canon. And not to mention, there are new monsters that are never shown to us or referenced previously, and a whole ass new character, Nikki Baxter, who is never shown or mentioned, and better yet, seems so out of place in the narrative. But I have a head canon (theory?) on her too!
In my mind, Tales is a story written in the future. It takes place prior to the events of s3, but it is written after the events of the show. Specifically, my head canon right now is future couple Mike and Will produce the animated series. Mike is the writer and Will is the illustrator. So cute. It is their way of honouring their friends, their childhood that was otherwise tainted, and possibly as a way of healing from their childhood traumas. Assuming that members of the party will die in hypothetical new/real episodes, it would also be Mike and Will’s way of honouring them in the ways that they know best. Remember when Bob dies in season two, it’s Mike that honours him with his words, and Will that honours him with his art. I don’t think it’s going to be entirely the M11 propaganda people think it will be lol.
So, the events of the cartoon are not canon, but, in my mind, canonically, Mike and Will make the show together?
And remember, if it is a story produced by future Mike and Will, it would have to be another “story they can’t tell, at least not the real story”. Meaning, the story would somewhat have to be told under a guise that would “appeal to the masses” for a “Saturday morning cartoon”, so maybe no young gay romance and certainly not a character explicitly honouring Eddie Munson, who would still likely be considered a cult leader that was responsible for the ’86 killings in Hawkins. Yes, that’s my theory on Nikki Baxter, and then some (more to come!).
I really wanted to get to the bottom of the mystery that is Tales From ’85 and Nikki Baxter. Upon reading this post, it got me thinking. Yes, I believe Nikki could very well be a self-insert for a non-conformist Michael, everything he wishes he could be in terms of not gaf and living fearlessly. But then that got me thinking, Nikki could also be a character semi-honouring Eddie Munson. And then that’s when it clicked: we already got a character that is representative of a non-conformist Mike, and it was most certainly Eddie. The parallels are actually crazy once you go looking for them, so let’s get into it!
Wait, sorry, before I begin: has anyone pointed out that almost every new character introduced to us as a nickname suffixed with “ie” or “y” are some of our most compelling parallel characters to our main party members. Okay, look at this:
El: Tammy (if you subscribe to the take that is Tammy = superficial love / first crush, or better yet the interpretation El / Tammy = queer awakening), Chrissy in a way (you’ll see);
Will: Billy (such an important parallel character), Henry (although not technically a “nickname”), Chrissy, too, in this case;
If Will has arguably two of the most important mirror characters, Billy and Henry, introduced in s3 and s4, it’s only fitting for Mike, our other MC with El & Will, to have some parallel characters of his own introduced. And, boy, do they ever introduce those characters in season four, we all know the parallels with Vickie. But the piece de resistance that is Eddie Munson. (and perhaps Bob eventually, but I digress).
Eddie is Mike:
Let’s think back to some of Eddie’s first scenes. He is first introduced to us as the animated, DnD-loving, Dungeon Master and de facto leader of Hellfire; just as Mike is introduced to us as the animated, DnD-loving, Dungeon Master and de facto leader of the party we know and love all the way back to 1x01. (He spends the rest of the season targeted and threatened by bullies. Nonetheless, he is compelled to investigate the mysterious and supernatural forces surrounding what happened to Chrissy.)
It’s not until we see Eddie outside of his group, on a one-on-one with Chrissy, that we see a much softer side of him. And what are his first words to her: “you okay?” he says gently to take her out of her trance. Hmm. That sounds very familiar. I think it’s safe to look at Chrissy as a Will parallel and an El parallel character if we see that Eddie = Mike. Chrissy being somewhat of a parallel to Will and El both is really important (we’ll get there), I promise. And speaking of promises.
When Chrissy gets spooked again during their drug deal, Eddie says, “There’s nothing to worry about, okay? Nobody ever comes out here. I promise.”
That sounds a little similar to Mike reassuring El in 1x02. He tries to tell her everything will be okay, and nobody will find her if she hides in his closet (lol), he says “I promise”.
Chrissy asks Eddie, “do you ever feel like you’re…losing your mind?” Eddie: “Uh, you know. Just on a daily basis.” This is akin to the “crazy together” dialogue, no?
Chrissy: she remembers Eddie! “Corroded Coffin, yes! With a name like that, how could I forget?!” Eddie: “Yeah, I don’t know. I guess you’re a freak.” Interesting dialogue. I can’t help but think of Will reclaiming the term “freak” for himself early on in s2.
One more for you:
1x02 – Mike: “Oh, so you can speak.” Followed by, “Hey, I never asked your name. (sees tattoo) Eleven?
4x01 – Erica: “I’m eleven, you long-haired freak.” Eddie: “So, the child speaks. So, what’s your name, child?”
Bonus actually:
Eddie trying to get the boat motor to work: “Come on, you piece of shit. Come on, you piece of shit!” Sound familiar?
In fact, the other members of Eddie's Hellfire Club are oddly reminiscent of Will, Lucas, and Dustin.
Will could be Gareth - quieter than the others. When he wants to surrender during the Cult of Vecna, Erica tells him not to be a “pussy” (Lucas in 1x01, “don’t be a pussy. Fireball!”). Gareth is seemingly especially protective of Eddie, his whereabouts and defending his honour in a way when the jocks come looking for him. Eddie says, “you would be wise to listen to Gareth the Great.” Even in Flight of Icarus, it seems like Eddie has a soft spot for Gareth, standing up to bullies targeting Gareth and vice versa.
Lucas could be Jeff – from what we see of Jeff, he values loyalty and he seems very matter of fact like Lucas. During the Cult of Vecna, he says, “Vecna just decimated us!” in such a way, you cannot tell me Lucas wouldn’t say this in the same way if it was him playing the campaign. It’s Jeff that is especially taken aback / hurt that Lucas has joined with the jocks on their hunt for Eddie. When Lucas pretends not to know them and calls Hellfire a cult, it’s Jeff that calls Lucas out specifically: “What the hell, Lucas?!”
Dustin could be Freak 1 (that’s his name) – Freak 1 is especially outspoken and unfiltered, the “comic” relief of Eddie’s party, very expressive. He has a Motley Crue pin on his jacket, not specific to Dustin, but relevant to my theory about Nikki.
If that’s not enough to convince you, remember that Eddie was killed by demon bats aka Camazotz. Yes, Camazotz. In Maya myth, Camazotz are demon / “death bat” creatures. And Mike is slowly dying by his own Camazotz. Crazy. Remember the only thing Eddie knows in morse code is S.O.S. Mike needs to send his own S.O.S. to escape his fate before it’s too late.
Back to Chrissy kind of representing Will and El to Eddie’s Mike. Eddie is gutted by what happened to Chrissy, he blames himself and has an almost desperation to avenge her sevenfold. I feel like it’s not a stretch to say that Eddie is dealing with his own Survivor’s guilt about Chrissy. Remember that a lot can be analyzed about Mike’s own Survivor’s guilt, once when Will got taken and again when El sacrifices herself to the Demogorgon. Mike surely feels this again and again and again in the series, as bad things always happen to those around him. This is similar to Eddie in season four, he’s always at the scene of the crime, but never really affected directly. So, yes, I think Chrissy being a bit representative of both Will and El is important here. Eddie feels a certain duty to honour her, just as Mike does for both Will and El.
Eddie undeniably feels guilty over Chrissy’s death: “I didn’t know what to do. So, I ran away. I left her there.”
Mike feels guilty about El “disappearing” to Project Nina: “Maybe things would be different. But I didn’t know what to say.”
Just as Eddie has to go into hiding after 4x01, Mike flies out to California, effectively removing himself from the Hawkins narrative, hiding himself in a way. And for most of s4, Eddie remains in hiding, just as Mike is also hidden away from everything in Hawkins for most of the season. Eddie literally becomes “Eddie the Banished” like Mike is “banished” from the Hawkins storyline. California Dreamin’, amirite?
Have you ever stopped to think how empty the Hawkins storyline might feel without the character of Eddie. I mean sure, Lucas and Max and Dustin, they’re great. But it’s Hawkins, it’s not the same without Mike? A version of Mike very akin to the season one version of himself that we know and love, a little less fearful, a little more true to himself. Eddie is easy to love for a number of reasons, but maybe most of all, it’s because he’s familiar to us, because he is supposed to be akin to this version of Mike. Eddie being this version of Mike could explain why Mike is so enamored by him in 4x01. It would add layers to why Dustin grows so close to Eddie so quickly, because Eddie is not only already familiar to us, but to our characters as well.
Eddie cutting the sheet, cutting off Dustin, preparing to sacrifice himself, and Dustin begging him not to, to me, is reminiscent of Dustin begging Mike to not jump off the quarry cliff in 1x06. Which leads me to…
Eddie’s whole arc in season four is “not running away” from what he fears. Eddie says, “outside of DnD, I am no hero. I see danger and I just turn heel and run.” If you subscribe to bobgate, it’s very compelling that they share the same seasonal arcs. They are both tired of being “guys in the chair”, in other words “playing it safe”, things just happen around them, but don’t necessarily affect them. They both want to be remembered in the end as being brave and they both end up paying the ultimate price. It’s very compelling that this is the arc we know is also meant for Mike, but we have yet to see it. I truly believe this is foreshadowing that Mike will have a fake-out death, but more on that later.
Do I think Eddie was really Mike the entire time in s4. Not necessarily, but I think it’s maybe meant to be foreshadowing? Remember, Will tells Mike, “Welcome to my world” towards the end of s3. Dustin, Lucas and Erica are trying to solve the mystery of Vecna and they say, “God, we need Will”, to make sense of it all. Dustin says that his compass, leading to a gate to the Upside Down, is the key to saving both Max and Eddie (Mike?), and remember Mike is absolutely foreshadowed to be in a Vecna tranced in s5. “Let’s exchange the experience.”
If you take a look at Dustin’s face when he sees Mike leading the party that’s been missing from the Hawkins storyline in 4x09: Mike steps out of the pizza van with Will, El, Jonathan and Argyle following suit. Dustin’s face says it all. That’s the face of someone who knows that when Mike is the heart of the party, they can save the motherfucking world. That is the face of a best friend going, “you son of a bitch!” (endearingly).
Flight of Icarus (Eddie’s Novel)
Of course, I had to cover all my bases here, so I went ahead and read the synopsis of Flight of Icarus, the novel that is based on Eddie’s backstory going into s4. There is certainly some interesting stuff here!
So, Eddie meets this woman named Paige, who is from Hawkins, but has since moved to California. Paige works for a record producer in LA, and she has a killer taste in music (this is reminding me of Robin). So, let’s say Paige is Robin and remember Robin is a host of WSQK. And, host, in and of itself, is interesting because we know that the Mind Flayer’s vessels are referred to as hosts and the hosts of the MF, I have theorized are all gay/queer and that’s why they are targeted. But anyway, Robin is a host of WSQK, and Mindy Flare, the Mind Flayer seems to run the show. So, Paige is Robin and the record producer she works for is the Mind Flayer is my take away.
Paige sees one of Corroded Coffin’s shows, and she says her record producer actually really likes Eddie (Mike), but clarifies her boss wants only him, not the rest of his band. Despite the opportunity, Eddie declines, saying he doesn’t want to be “a star” if it’s without his band.
Later in the book, Eddie gets mixed up in some crimes his father has coerced him into and gets arrested. He is visited by Hopper. Hopper remembers Eddie’s father, Al, from high school. Hopper tells Eddie that disappearing to California would make him like his father (don’t know what to make of this). After this exchange, I think Eddie returns to his uncle’s trailer where one of his friends demands to know why he missed Hellfire. His friends, apparently thought and were worried he “vanished like Will Byers”, interesting (The Vanishing of Mike Wheeler?).
At the end, Eddie goes to Main Street Vinyl, where Jonathan and Will enter shortly after. Kids from Hawkins High start teasing Will and calling him “Zombie Boy” and Eddie (Mike?) steps in and stops the bullies before they hurt Will any further. So cutie :’)
And let’s talk about the title of the novel itself: Flight of Icarus. This is in reference to a song by Iron Maiden. This is from their Piece of Mind album. The cassette tape that Eddie holds up when he says his iconic “this is music!” line is of that album. This is also the album that has the track The Trooper on it. The Trooper is an anti-war track that empathizing with soldiers who are forced to follow orders without question. Okay, this is where things get kind of crazy tying back in with Eddie being Mike and vice versa.
So, Iron Maiden’s mascot is a zombie-like creature named Eddie. Eddie the mascot is featured on all their album covers I believe. For this album specifically, Piece of Mind, Eddie is depicted as a mental patient who has been lobotomized. So this album that is referenced time and time again in Stranger Things lore, depicts its mascot named Eddie, Eddie who is supposed to be Mike, as a mental patient who has been lobotomized. Oh, Mike, what have they done to you?
Also, on this album, Iron Maiden took the piss out of the Satanic Panic movement by putting a nonsensical backwards message in one of the tracks. But more importantly, one of the album cover notes reads an altered version of a bible verse that read:
“And god shall wipe away all tears from their eyes, and there shall be no more Death. Neither sorror, nor crying. Nether shall there be any more brain (originally pain), for the former things have passed away.” Okay, so this sounds a lot like the epilogue. No more death, no more sorrow no more pain, but no more brain. I am being so chill about this (:
One more thing: this is Eddie explaining his shield in 4x08, “light, but durable. Deadly, but reliable.” I reckon the finale/season five we got was “light, but durable”: nothing heavy, nothing to make waves, basic, average, but stable. Solid (I guess?), but unreliable. I can only hope we get the “deadly, but reliable” version some time soon.
Last Thoughts on Nikki
This might be the biggest hear me out of all my theories, but hear me out. I think Nikki might be in reference to Motley Crue’s Nikki Sixx. Motley Crue has been referenced and featured a number of times in Stranger Things. Shout At the Devil plays at the Halloween party in season two; Home Sweet Home plays in s3 trailer and was in rotation on the WSQK broadcasts; one of their albums was seen in Billy’s bedroom in s2. Freak 1 had a Motley Crue pin on his jacket.
When Robin is looking for music to play to take Nancy out of her trance, she goes: “Madonna? Blondie, Bowie, Beatles.” And I was half expecting Eddie to say something in return like: “Metallica, Megadeath, Motley Crue.” Because as far as “M” alliterations go, those would be three of the biggest trail blazers of heavy metal in the eighties, and we know Eddie helps save the world with the power of metal.
But anyway, why Nikki Sixx? If Nikki Baxter is truly meant to be akin to a self-insert of a non-conformist Mike and my sneaking suspicion is true that Mike will have a fake-out death, then Nikki Sixx is to Mike, what Iron Maiden’s Eddie is also to Mike lol. As in, Nikki Sixx famously died and came back to life in 1987. Yes, you read that right. It was a whole thing. In 1987, Nikki Sixx died from a drug overdose, he was declared clinically deceased for over two minutes (also sounds like Max). After being declared dead for over two minutes, he was miraculously revived by two shots of adrenaline that started his heart again. So, I’m curious to see, what will be the adrenaline that starts Mike’s heart again? “Hear me now, Eddie (Mike) the Banished (the Brave) is done retreating”, right?
And since, the promotional team loves to compare us to Mike, like we are dying in Camazotz under Vecna’s curse with him, as much as they love telling us that we are the heart, I can’t help but think Nikki is also supposed to be our self-insert in the party? She represents the outcasts that the show is supposedly for as we (the heart = Mike = Nikki) have loved joining this party on all their crazy adventures. Aka is Tales From ’85 going to be the interactive media where we “play” as Nikki? What’s one more "one last strange adventure".
If not February, i really hope we get the real season five in March, though, before the Tales release, but that's my theory! xoxo
So cool!!!
Omg, the "ie"/"y" names being parallel characters – I never noticed that before! Tammy, Vickie, Chrissy, Lonnie, Eddie, Henry (even Bowie and Kenny ...Rogers for Will in Season 2)
EDDIE DYING VIA CAMAZOTZ BATS. That is an insane find!!! Especially given how much Mike mimics Eddie that season –including his habit of "running away" from his feelings/trauma, trading his DM role with Eddie, and literally mimicking his clothing and hairstyle. Really cool analysis :D
The track you mentioned, "The Trooper", is what plays during Dustin's speech in the Epilogue.
I'm also compelled to believe that Tales of '85 will be just that – a tale! Mainly because of a very recent series by a very similar name: Tales of the TMNT. Each ninja turtle tells a tale from their own very unreliable (read: made-up) perspective, and the series is presented as a comic book written by one of the turtles, if I recall correctly.
And I mean. Mike the writer, Will the illustrator? C'mon!
I would also LOVE to get the real season in march... please.......... or at least the first shadow................
Conformitygate - and why it's hard to believe in
I've been thinking about the concept of conformitygate a lot lately. About how the reaction to it has been so incredibly insane, and why that is.
But before I get into my hypothesis - let's take a look at what the most common reactions (or convictions) are:
Conformitygate believers - All these inconsistencies (in the show, marketing and cast/crew statements) are serving a greater narrative that we have yet to see unfold.
Divorcegate believers - Leigh Janiak (Ross Duffer's ex-wife) ghostwrote the show, and their divorce (which happened in 2024 -when S5 was filming) led to the Duffers having to write on their own; which is why the second half of the season sucks.
Cutgate believers - Byler was going to happen, but Netflix censored the story and/or the Duffers ruined the last season as a way to rebel because Netflix wouldn't allow the gay storyline.
Queerbait believers - the Duffer's hates us and byler was never gonna happen. We were queerbaited and they made us the butt of the joke on purpose.
Incompetent Duffers believers - The documentary exposes how incompetent the Duffers are. Netflix made that documentary to expose them and ruin their future careers (since they're leaving Netflix). The show has always been bad, but it all culminated this season.
Cast & crew went rogue believers - The entire cast and crew understands the story/characters better than the Duffers, and went rogue trying their best to save the story without the Duffers involvement and knowledge.
Coincidence believers - There is no thought behind any of this. Fans are coping and putting all these coincidences together without it having any relevance to anything. All theories and the evidence that follows are a reach.
Most people are a mix of a few of these. And bylers specifically seem to land in a 2-4-5-6-7 mix.
Conformitygate believers however, don't really venture out of their conviction. Because as soon as you actually get into conformitygate (and no, Conformity Gate doesn't count), it is almost impossible to leave.
Once you start noticing the inconsistencies, you can't unsee them. And yes, they can be explained by some of the other theories, but with a conformitygate lense it all becomes very meta. A commentary on our own conformity.
The reason conformitygate is so hard to believe in, or even just accept as a theory, is because it is challenging our own conformity.
In order to even think of it as a viable option, you have to take a look behind the curtain... You have to question everything. You have to confront the fact that you may have been wrong. Wrong about the show. Wrong about the Duffers. And most importantly: wrong about yourself. And you have to believe in the possibility of someone actually caring about the product they've made. Which in our day and age, and on this big of a scale is extremely rare. Unheard of even... It breaks the norm.
It's way easier to be angry at the Duffers. It's way easier to deny and discredit this theory. To simply assume the worst.
A big part of the pushback is probably because people have been queerbaited before. We have been dissapointed by a finale (or final season in general) before. And we have been made the butt of the joke, simply for believing in a queer ship before.
Why should this be any different?
The human brain is wired to remember danger. It is literally in our nature to focus on the bad experiences.
And I think the Duffers are well aware of that. I think they are using those exact experiences against us. All of us.
They are two white, cishet (I presume?), middle-aged nerdy men. Literally all the worst indicators with regards to caring about minorities:
white = racist cishet = trans- and homophobic middle-aged = outdated ideals and opinions nerdy = egotistical and pretentious men = misogynistic
They are the perfect recipe for a couple of assholes. The exact type of people who usually get away with exploiting the feelings and experiences of minorities for their own gain.
And in our day and age, with our collective history of queerbaits and dissapointmens, with our shared trauma, this assumption is the most logical conclusion.
At least at first glance...
Our preconcieved notions, are fueling this hatred and hurt. From all sides:
The homophobic crowd is using it to make fun of bylers for believing in the undeniable gay storyline, that was "obviously" never there. They are using it to gloat. And to pat themselves on the back for being "right". And therefore "winning". "See? You are delusional. Your stories don't deserve to be told. Because they don't (and/or shouldn't) exist."
Do I even need to explain how this is harmful?
The GA (and casual fandom) are using it to justify and/or downplay their dissapointment with the story. They are using it in an attempt to move on. "The Duffers were never that good anyway. It's a shame the show deterioated so quickly, but what can you expect from a show that's been running for 10 years? They probably just didn't care anymore."
This mostly hurts themselves... Never striving for anything above the ordinary. Lowering expectations. Accepting mediocrity.
But, it does also hurt creators. Artists... At least in the long run: Critique is essential if we ever want to evolve. But, why practice your craft if people don't care enough to look deeper? To wonder about your thought-process? To share their opinion, or notice how you've improved? Why put in any effort at all? Why even create, if no one cares anyway? Art is meant to be shared. It's meant to challenge us. Meant to improve us. And most importantly, unite us. Art is about understanding, interpreting and relating to eachother. Art is, inherently, meant to be analysed.
So, in the end, it hurts us all. It hurts us as consumers. As art-lovers. Because why should the rich and powerful invest in expensive projects? No one notices or cares about the amount of effort and love that has gone into it anyway. If they can get away with soulless crap, they will get away with soulless crap. And slowly but surely, they will lower our expectations of quality and heighten our acceptence of mediocrity.
The queer crowd is... interesting. We dont even have a consensus on the situation...
We have some who are using it to gloat, just like the homophobes are. Making fun of bylers for being queerbaited, and saying we should have seen it coming. That we should have expected this outcome, because of what the Duffers are. "I can't believe we went through the Johnlock-secret-good-episode-theory again. This is so funny, byler was obviously never gonna happen. You can't trust mainstream media."
Not only are we creating a rift in the community, we are also lowering the expectations for future representation on-screen. Why is it funny to expect that the industry has become more inclusive? Why are you laughing about people being genuinely hurt, just as you were hurt in the past? Why are we pitting ourselves against eachother? You are not better, just because you didn't trust the narrative to actually unfold in the way it was set up. We are not worse for trusting the Duffers to go through with that story.
Then we have the people denying that byler was even a queerbait? "I can't believe y'all are getting mad about a gay character not getting with his crush. Sorry to say, but you are being dramatic. You are all entitled, and just throwing this serious word around like it's nothing. Queerbaiting is actually harmful. Your ship didn't become canon. That doesn't mean it's queerbaiting. Deal with it."
This one is interesting, because genuinely what... HOW is it not a queerbait? Most people that are saying this either don't understand what queerbaiting actually is, and/or haven't looked into how byler undoubtedly has been used to promote the show. This argument completely dismisses our feelings and is often said without looking into byler at all. The lack of care and empathy with this statement is just truly hurtful.
But the way the byler community has completely split up might honestly be the most harmful reaction of them all...
Divorgate truthers... Actively ignoring and discrediting the female writers on the show. And spreading misinformation about Leigh/the Duffers. "Leigh is the only reason we have byler, everyone thank Leigh. I hope Leigh sues the Duffers for stealing her life's work. If only Leigh had been in the writers room, then we'd actually have a good season. The Duffers are so clearly misogynistic - they didn't care about the pregnant women in the UD lab or El and Kali. They just killed them as a shock factor."
I have genuinely heard people think these claims about Leigh are factual. There are articles about this theory, despite there being absolutely zero evidence of this being the case. Yes, women have been stolen from in the past. It is possible. And yes, she could definitely have influenced the show in some/many ways. But to claim that she is the sole reason byler exists?? That's an entirely different story.
If Leigh had any bigger role in Stranger Things creation/development, she would have been credited. She is in the industry herself. She was a bigger name than the Duffers were, before Stranger Things took off. It makes zero sense to not use her name, if she was genuinely involved. It could only have helped ST's perception.
Furthermore, we are completely erasing Kate Trefry and Caitlin Schneiderhan from the conversation. They are 2 out of the 5 main writers, and were each asked to write tie-ins for the show. Kate wrote the play "The First Shadow" and Caitlin wrote the books "Flight of Icarus" and "One Way or Another". The Duffers clearly trusts them - otherwise they wouldn't have been given these responsibilities. Kate wouldn't have been a part of the writer's team since season 2, if they didn't trust her. Caitlin wouldn't be the story editor for season 5 if they didn't trust her.
Yes, women are often underappreciated and/or taken advantage of in the industry. But when you have two extremely talented female writers on your main team, who are both given major responsibilitiies - I simply can't understand why you wouldn't credit a third woman's involvement. Unless, it's because she wasn't actually involved... That there wasn't a reason to credit her...
This claim, while maybe having good intentions, is actively erasing the work of female writers. It's removing the responsibility they had, and given to the Duffers. The critique for them is moved onto the Duffers. And both the potential and actual credit they deserved is given to Leigh instead.
Even if conformitygate isn't real, divorcegate is harmful.
Byler deniers erasing Mike Wheelers queercoding. "I guess Mike truly wasn't queer. He is just a sad loser in love with El. But I still like byler, even though Mike is straight."
Just because byler didn't become canon (or even really get any resolution) doesn't mean Mike isn't gay. A queer couple not happening, doesn't erase the queer subtext and the queercoding. Making Mike's queerness dependant on another person/a ship becoming canon, is harmful. We see this in biphobia a lot. But the person you're dating doesn't equal your sexuality. And the gender of the person you're dating doesn't equal your sexuality either.
The show is set in the 80's. Homophobia was rampant back then. So many people stayed in the closet, because it wasn't (and still isn't) safe to come out. Does that erase their queerness? No! Because being queer doesn't depend on you acting on it. It is literally about your feelings and attractions. Subtext and queercoding is still valid. Queerness is something you are born with. Even if you don't act on it or admit it to anyone else - you are still queer. Being queer is first and foremost an inner experience. It's validness is not based on your outwards behaviour or people's perception of you.
So yes... Mike is still gay (or bi). Even with the mileven ending.
Conformitygate antis, treating cg-truthers the same way bylers have been treated by the GA "No, the Duffers are just stupid. There isn't some big plan behind all of this. You're all being ridiculous, delusional and harmful for spreading these rumours. You're giving us a bad rep."
This behaviour is truly baffling to me. The exact same claims we've had to endure for years, are now being used against ourselves. Yes, some of our theories are a bit of a reach... But we already know that.
We have literally isolated ourselves, because of this behaviour. We have had to create an echo chamber for ourselves, because people won't stop dismissing our theories, with the same few arguments (that aren't convincing, once you get into the cg lore). This is not healthy. We should be able to have a discussion, no matter what we believe. But the mere mention of conformitygate creates hostility...
Which brings me to:
Conformitygate-truthers, acting all high and mighty. "You are stupid if you believe in divorcegate. Conformitygate is the only explanation that makes sense. Stop wallowing in self-pity."
Yes - I am also calling us out. Because we aren't perfect either. We are also contributing to the hostile environment.
I get it. All sides are frustrated. We are all deeply convinced of one theory or another. Some of us are still emotional about the shitass ending, and some of us have entirely moved on. Some of us don't have the mental and emotional space to hope again. And that's okay.
There are so many reasons and explanations for not believing in conformitygate. And I don't blame people for not wanting to believe.
But just because we are having fun with these theories - and find the evidence convincing - doesn't mean we are right. And it doesn't make everyone else dumb either.
We've all been through the same treatment from the GA - we should all be more mindful when discussing this (and any other) theory.
And last (and also least): haters. Genuine haters, sending the cast and crew death threats because of the ending. I'm not gonna give any examples - the behaviour towards Finn after the SNL show and the amount of Shawn Levy/Duffer brothers hatetrains speaks for themselves.
I don't care how bad the ending was. How many plotpoints were fumbled. How personally hurt you were by the show. Harrassment and malicious jokes towards the cast and crew are never okay.
Do I understand where you're coming from? Absolutely! I was also very emotional after volume 2 and 3 (as evidenced here, here and here). But that doesn't excuse my behaviour. It explains it, sure, but it doesn't make it okay.
Even if the finale was truly the end of the story (which I personally don't believe), our behaviour needs to be adressed. We are not without faults. We have contributed with harmful statements and behaviour. Towards ST, towards the GA and towards ourselves.
We can't take back the things we've said and done, but I hope we can reflect on it, learn from our mistakes and improve.
Conformitygate (canon or not) is the perfect social commentary and wake up call. It's entire existence is a form of rebellion. And it demands that we wake the fuck up, and confront our own biases, fears and herd mentality. Please don't let that go to waste.
I'm not asking any of you to believe in conformitygate, but I hope that this post can start a healthy discussion and let us reflect on ourselves. I am so sick of the narrative around bylers being smarter/better than everyone else, cause this whole situation has demonstrated how we are very much not immune to herd mentality.
Thank you for taking the time to read all of this. Sending love and happiness your way <3 /gen
Mic fucking drop. Holy shit. You encapsulated my feelings perfectly on this. And I’m humbled because I do be liking the duffer hate tweets because they’re funny, even though I believe in cg, so I will be more mindful of that. But wow. Read the entire fandom to filth and spoke facts. Very wise, very true. I literally agree with every point and view this as the unilateral message. Muah

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Mike's altered memory of his fight with Dustin in the Rainbow Room
Why Vecna needed to replace Mike to keep him trapped in the Rightside Up...
First, here's a brief explanation of my main theory!
MIKE IN THE RIGHTSIDE UP
Mike is stuck in his own version of Camazotz: the Rightside Up.
In the 8 months after Season 4, the gang prepared for a big battle with Vecna. Mike was taken during that battle, on the anniversary of Will's disappearance: November 6th, 1986.
Every important plot point from Ep 1-8 was an edited version of what really happened in those 8 months. Vecna just changed the order, characters or context to suit his own narrative and keep Mike trapped in the Rightside Up. That's why Mike's real memories are crucial to his escape in the upcoming episodes.
My evidence is here! Part 1 (Reality = reversed), Part 2 (Will/Robin), Part 3 (12 Episodes), Part 4 (MWTFDYD), Part 5 (Rainbows), Part 6 (Mike and Wileven), Part 7 ("Where's Dustin right now?")
Why the Rainbow Room?
Besides queercoding, rainbows in Stranger Things are associated with forgotten memories and alternate dimensions. Analysis here. Especially the Rainbow Room, which is 1) where Henry's memories start and end, 2) where El regains her forgotten memories, and 3) where El's mother went before her memories were scrambled.
So why do Dustin and Steve fight in the U.D. Rainbow Room of all places? Forgotten memories!
The memories theme is further represented by the rainbow Rubik’s cube that Steve can’t solve. He calls it a “piece of shit” – an insult that Mike often uses (Hopper in S2 + S3, Billy in S3 etc).
This is similar to when Mike finds an unsolved rainbow puzzle earlier in the season. This was a hint that Mike’s memories are like that puzzle: incomplete, scrambled, missing pieces.
Hopper: We’re missing a piece of the puzzle. A big piece.
Steve’s “piece of shit” Rubik’s cube is the same as Mike’s memories. Scrambled. Incomplete.
The reason Dustin and Steve’s fight was written for the Rainbow Room rather than literally anywhere else in the lab? The reason yet another rainbow puzzle can’t be solved?
Mike’s memory of the fight has been altered by Vecna.
He replaced Mike with Steve.
Why would Dustin and Mike fight?
A fight between Mike and Dustin is set up in the very first episode of Season 5!
Think about it. In the Crawl, Mike is the most vocal in this conversation with Dustin, and during the argument, they cut to Mike POV shots several times. What do he and Dustin argue about?
Mike: Eddie never gave a rat’s ass about what those mouth breathers were saying about him and you know it. What he would care about is finding and killing Vecna. Dustin: Do you seriously think I don’t care about that, Mike? Really? Mike: I think you’re fighting two battles. You need to be fighting one. Dustin: Blend in? Follow the rules? That’s not what we’ve ever done. We stay true to ourselves, we’re supposed to stay true to our friends. We stand up for what’s right, no matter the cost.
What Dustin gets angry at “Steve” for in the Rainbow Room is exactly what he’s angry at the Party for, and ESPECIALLY Mike.
Being fake. Self-centered. Caring about what others think. Eddie. Vecna.
Additionally, think about this quote again...
Mike: “I think you’re fighting two battles. You need to be fighting one.”
If my theory is correct, this is literally true; Dustin effectively fought two versions of the same battle, once with Mike, once with Steve.
“Where’s Dustin right now?”
The fight between Dustin and Mike isn’t just from Season 5, either. It has been brewing for LITERAL YEARS. Let’s take a trip down memory lane, to when Dustin came back home from Summer camp.
Who left first? Mike, with El.
Dustin: “It’s bullshit. I just got home.”
Remember Mike and Will’s rain fight, back in Season 3?
Will: “Where’s Dustin right now? See? You don’t know, you don’t care, and obviously he doesn’t either, and I don’t blame him! You’re destroying the Party, and for what? So you can swap spit with some stupid girl?” Mike: “El’s not stupid! It’s not my fault you don’t like girls!”
It’s the same argument as Dustin and "Steve" in the Rainbow Room. Mike’s being fake and selfish, drifting away from his friends, replacing them with El, leaving Dustin behind.
That's not the only callback to Season 3 in their fight. As Season 5 progresses, Dustin begins to mock Steve for acting childish. Comparing him to “children”, mentioning his “arrested development” and asking, “Really, you’re actually playing in here?”
Which character is canonically extremely insecure about acting childish, and had a whole arc in Season 3 about his desire to grow up? It’s not Steve. It’s Mike.
Dustin is hitting Mike where he knows it hurts – using honesty.
I mean, come on. The whole reason Dustin befriended Steve in the first place was that his friends weren’t answering his calls on the walkie-talkie. When was this? Season 2. Out of everyone, no wonder it’s Dustin who they lost contact with before the Crawl.
This fight between Dustin and Mike was building up for years.
Why Vecna needed to replace Mike with Steve
The fight most likely happened earlier on in the 8 months between Season 4 and Season 5.
Remember, Mike and El were not on speaking terms at the end of Season 4. They had a fight “you can’t come back from”. After Season 4, they broke up, plain and simple.
What does Dustin say at the end of his argument with "Steve"?
Dustin: “Oh yeah, just crawl back to Nance, you dumb, fake asshole."
Dustin is also angry with Steve for repeatedly trying to win Nancy back during the apocalypse. Sound like someone we know?
Yes, Mike. So this establishes a rough timeline, but... what's this got to do with Vecna?
Well, this fight with Dustin was basically the result of all of Mike's greatest character flaws, combined. It probably marked a huge turning point for him, a moment in which he began to realise how much he was hurting himself and his friends by hiding under a "normal" costume.
Mike really was acting fake, childish and selfish.
Mike probably kept trying to win El back for a month or two post-S4, even though it was the apocalypse, and even though they worked better as friends.
Mike told Dustin “it’s actually your fault, and I haven’t heard so much as a sorry”. I mean, look at his track record. He basically only apologises to Will throughout the whole series. This fits.
Dustin replaced Mike as the leader of the group because of his theory, so Mike felt insecure. He resented it. That’s why he got all snarky about Dustin’s “bullshit theory”.
If you're thinking, "Wow, Mike is coming off as pretty unlikeable during this fight"... then YES! Good! He should come off that way.
This fight was the moment in which Dustin laid out every single one of Mike's insecurities before him, and Mike realised they were true.
And THAT is why Vecna had to alter Mike’s memory of it.
Because if Mike remembered this fight correctly, he would’ve also remembered how sorry he was, and how much he wanted to change, to stop being fake, stop chasing after El, and to begin to accept himself as just Mike – for himself, the Party, and for Eddie.
Vecna didn't want that.
So Vecna removed the catalyst that made Mike develop positively, and therefore, enabled him to feel more secure in who he was. That way, Vecna could prey on Mike’s insecurities even more.
Eddie Would’ve Solved It
Dustin: [Eddie] was the smartest, kindest person I have ever met, and he would’ve solved this in 30 seconds flat.
Look – Eddie’s got a great attitude and understanding of the world around him, but solving a Rubik’s cube? That's unexpected for his character.
Remember though, it’s not just a Rubik’s cube. Like the incomplete rainbow puzzle, the Rubik's cube represents Mike’s scrambled memories.
To keep you trapped, Vecna alters the truth. Takes the stuff you want to hide about yourself, and erases it. Lets you believe what you wish could be true. Keeps you trapped in “the light” – a happy, comfortable lie.
Vecna: The light will expel the darkness, your loved ones will be saved, and you… you will be heroes. Eddie: We are not heroes.
Of course Eddie would’ve solved his own rainbow puzzle quickly, because “Eddie was never fake.” He never, ever hid who he was, “no matter the cost”, so… there was no happy, comfortable lie for Eddie to hide in.
He’s one of the few characters who really wasn’t afraid of himself.
That's why Eddie was important to both Dustin and Mike. He took them both under his wing when no-one else would, inspired them with his authenticity.
(paraphrasing) Dustin: Lucas has his sports friends. But me and Mike? No-one would hang out with us. No-one except Eddie.
That’s also why Dustin's reaction to Eddie's death is so strong… yet we never see Mike react at all.
Why? We skipped it. Vecna gave Mike’s reaction to Steve.
In reality, after learning about Eddie's death at the end of Season 4, Mike bottled up his feelings. All his feelings, about Eddie, himself, everyone and everything else, and he filtered them through his false fantasies, through hiding himself away and making passive-aggressive, snarky comments as usual. Then, finally, he crashed out during his fight with Dustin, and realised the full truth behind it all.
That's why Eddie gets brought up so much during their fight. Not because Steve is weirdly jealous of him, but because Mike saw Eddie as a friend and an inspiration, just like Dustin. His death affected them both deeply – but in very different ways.
Blah, blah, blah...
So, basically – Mike and Dustin's post-Season 4 fight is their reaction to Eddie's death, and the culmination of all of Mike's insecurities; everything he doesn't wanna be. It's what makes him choose to be better, for himself and his friends – and that's why Vecna needed to alter that memory if he wanted to keep Mike trapped.
:P
Creelby is the key to Byler Endgame... just not in the way you're thinking (what I'm calling #BobGate)
Part 26: "Tonight You Belong To Me" (2/3)
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Disclaimer: This post is directly picking up from Part 25, where I laid out the theoretical framework for this analysis. That was a long post, as is this one. Apologies in advance.
Dedicating this one to all the complicated mothers and children.
Without further ado, let's dive into TFS [Broadway Version]:
When we first meet the Creels in ST S4 via Victor's recollections, we see a picture-perfect, sweet-as-apple-pie, all-American family, excited for a new beginning in Hawkins.
TFS' introduction to the Creels is no different: When they first enter their new house, the 1956 Patience & Prudence song "Tonight You Belong To Me" plays on Henry's radio.
The song -- which you'll see becomes emblematic of Henry and Virginia's relationship -- strikes a Pollyanna chord the first time we hear it, with Victor telling his wife, "Honey, this is gonna be a fresh start."
But the play is a lot quicker than the show about revealing the cracks in the family's happy facade.
Right after the words have left Victor's lips, he snaps at Henry, telling him to turn off his radio before he breaks it. Despite Victor's bark, there is no bite -- the first show of Victor's ineffectiveness, one way (toward violence) or the other (actually parenting).
Instead, it's Virginia who is attentive to their son, gently offering Henry solutions to needs she's already anticipated. One of those solutions is a mantra she's come up with to ground him:
Virginia: "If you start to feel confused, don't get upset. Just take a deep breath and say to yourself, 'It's not real. I'm normal. I'm Henry Creel'."
Immediately we see the Shavian mother's "veneration of conformity" -- of normalcy -- which she projects onto her child (Lenker, 45).
Her advice is not too dissimilar from Bob's to Will in S2 re: Mr. Baldo. Well-intentioned, but ultimately a means to suppress or otherwise deny the real, unspoken issue -- Henry's trauma and the reason the family moved to begin with (his attack on the neighbor's kid).
We are also introduced to the Shavian theme of creation of the individual identity, which is not only central to the pre-Oedipal crisis and resolution, but has underscored Henry / One / Vecna / Peter's character from the very beginning.
A character with so many personas, but no singular identity. Yet here his mother reminds him (and states herself, as if she were him):
"I'm Henry Creel."
Because Henry Creel is *Virginia's* creation: The "sweet little boy" she birthed, raised, named.
Alas, the mantra doesn't really help. Henry repeats it back to Virginia, and gives a jarring, visceral reaction to his mother's touch.
Her response: "See? You're totally normal." She delivers the line cheerfully enough, even though a slight tremor in her voice betrays her.
Repeat a lie enough times and maybe, maybe, it'll become the truth.
Henry, though, follows up with a surprising move (especially if you were only familiar with the Henry from ST S4). He hugs his mom.
Unfortunately, Virginia seems more weirded out by the hug than by the earlier twitching. She does not return the gesture with the same level of affection, barely wrapping her arms around him (though perhaps not wanting to trigger another spasm).
What can we assume Henry was looking for when hugging his mother? Some better comfort than false words? Something real and grounding in her embrace? Love, not necessarily normalcy?
What can we assume Virginia thinks about her boy (between twelve and sixteen at this point) rushing to hug Mommy? Despite the blasé front she puts up before then, Virginia's reaction to Henry's hug also shows the audience (who can actually see her face, unlike Henry) that Virginia is scared of her son.
Unlike Victor, who wants this to be a "fresh start", Virginia cannot forget what led them here; she can hope, but it doesn't mean she's not vigilant.
Virginia: "Don't worry, darling. You worry too much." Henry: "You worry too much."
Given the fears of "Momism" at the time, this moment calls to mind the delicate balance described by Kate Jones in "It's always the mother's fault.": Not too distant, not too smothering, lest Mom be accused by her community of raising a "wayward" child. Especially a male child.
The level of physical affection Virginia first shows Henry is a stark contrast to the way Joyce Byers is with her sons (one of whom went through a similar experience to Henry's) --
-- and how Karen Wheeler is with Mike. Mike, who is shown to actively seek out and receive comfort from his mother throughout the show.
While Joyce is a very different type of mother compared to Virginia (single working mom, non-conformist by nature), Karen is a fellow housewife (albeit of the 80s) and shown to be one of ST's biggest conformers, at least on the surface.
Yet we see Karen check in on her kids often: not casting judgment, letting them know they can talk to her, and most importantly, showing them that she's here for them --
In fact, the only time we see Karen really mad (at her elder daughter, Nancy), it's over Nancy lying to the police about what really happened the night Barbara disappeared, not about the fact that she slept with Steve.
Three different moms, with different home situations and parenting styles, and yet they all managed to raise huge liars, apparently. Which just goes to show you really can't blame the mother for what their children get up to!
But you can be there for your children when they're ready to open up, as we see with Joyce and Karen.
From "Pre-Oedipal Shaw: 'It's Always the Mother'":
"Detrimental Shavian mothers, even when depicted as passive, are usually obsessed with respectability -- they are righteous members of the community intent on doing the 'correct' thing, which Mangan in Heartbreak House calls a 'mothering tyranny' (5:157). This veneration of conformity, even when the mother is a whorehouse madam, as is the case of Mrs. Warren, almost always causes trouble between mothers and daughters." (45)
["Mothers and daughters"... hold onto that.]
Unlike Joyce and Karen, Virginia is in the thick of the hysteria around "Momism" and -- striving for "normalcy" -- complies with the culture and steps back from being direct with her child. Rather than simply talking to him truthfully, she parrots meaningless platitudes or needles him with questions. And when those attempts at acquiring information don't work, like the Shavian mother, Virginia feigns passivity and employs subterfuge to find out what Henry's up to without his knowing.
Unfortunately for Virginia, she has a "spy" son who spies right back. He's aware of her attempts to read his private thoughts, which is what prompts Henry to write them all down in code. And when it comes to her legitimate concerns in the first quarter of the play, Virginia talks about Henry rather than to him, unaware he's listening in through the radio. And when she is finally honest about her fears regarding Henry, she asks Victor to talk to him, rather than doing it herself.
On that last point, I will give this one to Virginia: Why should she have to be the one bearing all the parental responsibility? That is one of the main Shavian dilemmas after all. She shouldn't have to be alone in trying to understand and help the son she shares with Victor.
However, it's what she's trying to "suss out" about Henry that leans into something more uncomfortable (for Henry and the audience). The unspoken reason for why America feared Momism: Queerness.
Given all the queer coding we've explored through #Bobgate, it seems evident why Henry felt the need to express his private thoughts and feelings in code; why Virginia seems overly concerned about the amount of time Henry is spending with "Patty" --
Virginia: "Do you really think he should be hanging around a girl?" Victor: "This is completely different."
-- why upstanding Christian Virginia, who makes her family go to church on Sundays to show face to the community, goes as far as to organize an exorcism* for Henry, a tool that's historically been used as a form of conversion therapy, even as recently as 2014.
*The character Barbara Allen goes through a similar experience with her church in Dark of the Moon, where she's forced to renounce her queer Witch Boy.
Virginia, like Karen, is aware her child is likely queer, but she isn't willing to talk to him about it. She only wants the "demon" to go away. For her child to be "normal".
To grow into a "normal" adult male who becomes another cog in the Machine: Make money for the Man; fight, kill, and die in wars for the empire; pair up (with a woman) and multiply in service of the Life Force. Even if those creations are less "Superman" and more "faded, lesser copies of the ones before."
In other words: "Wake, eat, work, sleep, reproduce, and die!"
Of course, Virginia's obsession with normalcy says more about her than it does about Henry. After all, we eventually discover she didn't have an easy, "normal" upbringing either. We already know how aware she's always been of Victor's inability to cope with reality, but perhaps it's something she envies about her husband.
Although it's only referenced twice, we learn Virginia also self-medicates via tranquilizers. She "pop[s] those pills like they're candy", according to Victor. Likely to soothe her own fear and paranoia that her son might hurt someone else. Another mother's child.
We learn through adult Henry in S4 that Virginia's actions only made him feel more isolated. More misunderstood. That her attempts to "fix" Henry by society-approved means -- forced conformity, physical and emotional distance, but simultaneous intense scrutiny, and silence rather than communication -- was more suffocating than if she'd just fucking hugged him back.
We see Virginia running ragged going back and forth between the refrigerator and Momism ("mothering tyranny"), all the while driving Henry away and toward somewhere he feels understood. Where he can imagine, will, and create a better world where he fits.
She sends Henry running from her arms right into the Spider's*.
Patty's. The Mind Flayer's.
*Although the symbol for the Mind Flayer (aka Patty) in ST is spiders, I find she aligns with the Serpent archetype found in Shaw's Back to Methuselah. An archetype that, according to Shakespearean scholar Murray Schwartz, represents the "sexually-threatening mother, contact with whom symbolizes incest. On a deeper level, it signifies the horror of maternal engulfment."
From Back to Methuselah:
Cain to his father Adam: "Stay with the woman who gives you children: I will go with the woman who gives me dreams." (Act II)
From "Pre-Oedipal Shaw: 'It's Always the Mother'":
"The son must individuate from the mother in order to mature fully, while the daughter is expected to identify with the mother."
It seems, at this point in the play, that Henry's pre-Oedipal crisis has seemingly resolved. Rather than merging with his mother by continuing to identify with her, Henry has extricated his identity from Virginia's; cut the umbilical cord strangling him.
Henry is now an "individual".
He begins to flex his new independence by joining the school play, and by spending more time with Bob Patty. Through his connection with the Mind Flayer, he (unwillingly) tests the boundaries of his abilities and learns they are only as limitless as he allows them to be (what and how much is he willing to kill?), yet the power he attains with each kill is undeniable.
Now liberated and empowered by his differences, the Henry we see in ST S4 begins to turn those abilities on his own family -- the easiest targets in part due to the physical proximity and in part due to the new emotional detachment that allows him to see them through new eyes. As if they were the spiders, or frogs to be dissected.
Henry turns his mother's scrutiny back on the Creels and, with his powers of illusion, begins to taunt them with visions of their worst fears -- starting with his mother and sister. The downside of the "male" pre-Oedipal resolution? Lenker writes, "Men, while achieving independence and autonomy, also develop strong feelings of separation and alienation that lead them to devalue women and fear intimate relationships." (42)
From ST S4 Ep 7: "Chapter Seven: The Massacre at Hawkins Lab":
Henry: "But my mother somehow knew. Knew it was I who was holding up that mirror, and she despised me for it."
Hard as Virginia might try to hold the pieces together, the appearance of the Creels as "good and normal people" starts to crumble when the hauntings begin.
And she knows exactly who's responsible for them.
From Back to Methuselah:
Eve to Cain: "I know you. I am your mother."
Virginia's response to Henry's rebellion is to finally take off the mask of docility and openly assert her dominance as the authority figure in his life.
She waits up for him in the attic in a scene that feels ripped right out of a coming of age melodrama -- her teen having come home late after a night out at Melvald's.
Immediately she is hammering him with questions on his whereabouts, revealing her maternal anxiety: He is no longer a little kid that needs to be glued to her side. His autonomy leaves too much to Virginia's imagination of what her child, the extension herself, has been doing out in the world in her stead.
And Henry, in turn, almost mocks her -- implying that as a mother, she has nothing better to do than to wait for her child to come home. He has a life outside her now. She does not have a life outside him.
Virginia's reply -- which doesn't answer his question -- is something she should've said long ago, but now comes too little too late:
"Talk to me, Henry."
Henry instead replies to her earlier question with an evasive, "Nowhere."
Rather than practicing what she preaches, Virginia only continues the interrogation by making an accusation: "You were with that girl, weren't you?"
Henry: "Go to bed, Virginia."
The use of his mother's first name alone denotes how Henry has stripped Virginia of the title "Mother". The line itself reads like Hamlet's "Get thee to a nunnery" speech to Ophelia, where he projects his grievances with his mother Gertrude onto his girlfriend. It's fitting: With the pre-Oedipal crisis "resolved", things start to get slightly Oedipal in the attic.
Virginia tries to regain the upper hand by drawing a line in the sand:
Virginia: "Do not take that tone with me. You are not to see her!" Henry: "Not to see her? Why not, Mommy? Are you jealous?"
To her own horror, she slaps him. One of the few times she makes physical contact with him in the play. A gut reaction to an ugly insinuation.
Virginia immediately tries to soothe the hurt she's just inflicted, yet she's still hesitant to touch him. Fear taking over.
We all know the cliche of the mother who's jealous of their son's girlfriend(s) because they fear being replaced as the primary caregiver (and love-object). In strict, patriarchal societies, the transfer of caregiving responsibilities from mother to wife is very real. However, the audience already knows Patty isn't *technically* the one taking up Virginia's role in Henry's life (though she has taken Bob's "burger").
But maybe Virginia does have reason to feel threatened:
Virginia: "I can't let you hurt anyone else." Henry: "You can't tell us what to do anymore." Virginia: "Us?"
Because maybe Henry hasn't separated from his "mother" after all... he just found a new one to replace her with.
The Mind Flayer.*
*Who, unbeknownst to the audience, is Patty's true self. So there *is* some pseudo-incestuous stuff going on...
Henry then asks the question that will hit many a mother where it hurts:
Henry: "Why do you hate me?" [I've forgotten how the action in the moment plays out in TFS: Broadway, but in the West End Version, this is when Virginia finally hugs Henry, having dropped her guard. Bringing her baby into her embrace, in an attempt to repair the mother-child bond.] Virginia: "I don't hate you. I love you. Oh, my sweet little boy. I'm not doing this to punish you. It's to protect you. To protect everyone."
If the story of TFS had been framed through her perspective rather than Henry's, it would play a lot like We Need to Talk About Kevin. A mother scared of what horrors her baby is capable of -- of what he might unleash on the world.
In that version of the story, it might seem clear that Virginia's intentions are good. However, like in Shaw's plays, TFS "recognize[s] that sometimes despite the mother's best efforts, her relationships with her children so often prove negative." (Lenker, 36)
Henry begins to cry. Crying -- a sound that's ingrained in humans to react to with sympathy, especially a mother's when it's their own child. We have evolved to react this way: An instinct that emerged and remained to guarantee the species' survival. The crying morphs into eerie laughter.
Henry: To protect everyone -- from me? You can't even protect yourself. Just like when you were little and your father used to lock you in the closet. And the spiders would come. You're not gonna protect anyone because you're too afraid. Virginia : (defiantly) No, I'm not afraid of you!
Unfortunately I can't embed the video here because of age-restriction rules, but this scene reminded me so much of the fight between Rue and her mother, Leslie in S2 of Euphoria when Leslie finds Rue's pill stash and gets rid of it.
Leslie: "You will not attack me in my own home!" Rue: "I'll do whatever the fuck I want in your own home!" Leslie: "I raised you! Alright? I raised you! And you do not fucking scare me!"
But Leslie is scared. Horrified. Like Virginia, Leslie is also witnessing an outside force (in Rue's case, drugs) consuming her child and turning her into something monstrous.
Both mothers feel helpless in the face of it, not knowing how to bring their child back from perdition. Like Leslie, Virginia offers to get her child help, tries to stand up to him, re-establish her authority as his parent, but witnesses the situation spirals beyond her control. A phantasmagoria worse than anything she could imagine unfurling --
The mother's worst nightmare.
"Can you feel it? The fear?"
Henry is literally engulfed by the Spider, the sexually-threatening mother. Though in Henry's case what's sexually threatening is not an attraction to his mother, but rather his lack of attraction (to women). The threat (in Virginia's eyes) is his queerness and his embracing of it. His identification with this Shadow mother-figure.
That Henry in both show and play turns to spiders -- his mother's worst fear and the symbol of her own trauma -- is telling. Both how he specifically sought kinship and understanding in the spiders, and how he then turns them back against his mother.
It is here where I want to say that, more than any other relationship in The First Shadow, it's this mother-child relationship between Virginia and Henry, that truly tests the dramatic question of the play: "Can love defeat fear?"
If one were to extrapolate, perhaps in a different world, love could have won. Henry might have felt safe enough to confide in Virginia, and she to be emotionally open with him, without worrying about society's judgment. They might have found solidarity in their parallel wounds, rather than met with shame and silence. Perhaps Virginia and Henry might have even had Victor's support so as to carry some of the weight. They might have all found a way to forge a new beginning as a family, healed and that much stronger for it.
However, in *this* world, we are literally witnessing a "silly, terrible play" (per Henry in ST). And Henry, who is no longer willing to perform, resents Virginia for her own awareness of the stage and determination to stay in character as the meddlesome Shavian "nightmare mother". Virginia has prioritized normalcy and respectability above all else -- including what's best for her and her child.
So, as punishment, Henry (via the Mind Flayer)* shines the spotlight away from the stage and into the closet where her secrets and traumas lie. In other words, her fears.
*Or is it perhaps the other way around? With the Mind Flayer using Henry to call out Virginia the way Morgan le Fay uses her magic to torment Guinevere?
The truth of how deep the rot goes comes spilling out, but it's less like water and more like dark, slippery oil that further pollutes.
Henry doesn't just remind Virginia of the spiders in the closet, he embodies them. Becomes it.
Her worst fears and memories in the vessel that was supposed to hold her hopes and dreams for the future.
It's an ugly reminder that *she* as a mother has failed: Failed to channel her energies the "right" way; willed the "wrong" parts of herself into being.
How strange: On one side to feel seen and rejected by your creator for what you are and know exactly why. On the other, to bear witness to your creation and recognize the most secret, shameful, terrifying skeletons in your closet in them.
Each finding a reflection of themselves in the other, looking through a glass, darkly.
And rather than facing Henry, herself -- Virginia tries to run from the Monster, but the Monster won't let her. He keeps her trapped in the attic with him and makes her watch what her baby's become, ignoring her screams for help.
We don't see Virginia again until the end of Act 1 -- as if the intensity of the scene has forced her to step off stage to recover.
Instead, Victor becomes her mouthpiece out in Hawkins society while Virginia remains at home. But boy, does he make a poor showing: Stumbling drunk into the PTA meeting to seek Principal Newby's counsel on his family situation. Airing out their dirty laundry in public, which I doubt Virginia approved of.
Victor: "It's Virginia. She's seeing things -- spiders! And she thinks it's Henry. But Henry's a good kid."
How many times have we seen this? In ST, in media, in life
A man downplaying a woman's concerns and implying she's crazy (bonus points if they uplift another man in the same breath).
She may seem "crazy" but, like Joyce, Virginia* is right.
Unfortunately, because her warnings go unheeded by the men around her (the only people who have the "authority" to take action in their world), there are disastrous consequences --
The most obvious is the blinding of Robert Newby, Sr.
However, prior to that moment, Henry has been looking for Patty's mother using his powers. He eventually comes upon her -- a mysterious songstress singing "The Nearness of You":
We see a boy, desperate to please the substitute for both his mother and lover, being used by her to make her "wildest dreams come true": To find her own mother -- Mother Goose, Tharizdun, Lilith.
"The quintessential pre-Oedipal mother": A powerful figure, the spark of creation, the primary caregiver and nurturer to all.
And just when he reaches toward Patty's Mom, she lunges for Henry and -- in a truly terrifying moment -- screams, "Hello, Henry. LET ME IN!"
[I don't remember how this plays out in the Broadway version, but the West End version has Patty's Mom basically taking Henry hostage while he tells Patty to run (in Will Byers fashion)]
A unification with the Mother that Henry comes into, thinking it will be celebratory, only to get caught in a trap.
As Henry tries to warn Patty* off so she can get to safety, Principal Newby barges in, demanding answers to what his child is doing there. Henry, now fully under the Mind Flayer's hold, takes hold of Newby Sr.
*Mind you, I believe Bob is the person actually with him in this scene.
As I discussed in Part 16, in attempting to break Henry out of the bad dream, Patty gets Henry to confess his love for her and in doing so, sign a secret contract, sealing the bond between "mother" and "child."
Unfortunately, it looks like Henry didn't read the fine print.
The "woman of dreams" -- who Henry thought would provide him the love and acceptance he needed -- reveals herself as the real "nightmare mother".
Is that Bob standing below Henry? Why yes, yes it is.
At the end of Act 1, as the dust is settling on the Newby incident, we see Virginia with Henry (in the most childlike state we've seen him in), singing "Tonight You Belong to Me":
Compared to the cheery mood the song set at the beginning of TFS, the lyrics now tell a heartbreaking story of a mother who knows her baby is gone. That he now "belong[s] to somebody new."
But, as Virginia holds Henry's teddy, she savors one final moment with *her* son, where she can pretend they're a "normal" family. In all fairness to Virginia, we can't begrudge her for wanting that.
Virginia: "You may not understand this now, but there is no greater pain than to see your child suffer. I would do anything to end it."
With her emotional and spiritual role in Henry's life officially recast, we learn Virginia has decided to cede her parental responsibility too.
To Dr. Martin Brenner.
Virginia: "We just want you to get better, sweetie."
Perhaps Virginia had hoped a stronger, more "masculine" presence in Henry's life might "cure" him of his queerness better than she or impotent Victor could.
Henry: "You can't fix me." Brenner: "What makes you think I want to fix you?"
Little does she know she's handed the baby she bore over to a real-life Dr. Frankenstein who will soon turn her Creation into his Monster.
From "Pre-Oedipal Shaw":
"Like other object relations scholars, [Nancy] Chodorow examines humankind's fear of the powerful mother, which has permeated patriarchal societies and literature since classical and biblical times and which keeps the woman in her inferior position [...] Many writers, Shaw included, suggest that the fantastic weapons and power that mothers have developed in dealing with the formidable power of the patriarchy have resulted in a hidden matriarchy, in which less-gifted men lamely counter females with lethal restrictions and brute strength." (Lenker, 42-3)
Act Two begins with a video montage of Henry on his 8th birthday. The reel plays over a music box arrangement of "Tonight You Belong To Me" that leans into childhood innocence (as opposed to maternal angst or howdy-doody optimism).
We watch a happy boy -- Virginia's "sweet little boy" blowing out his candles and receiving birthday gifts (#birthdaygate).
Gradually government reports and medical notes begin to appear onscreen, with descriptions of Henry's disappearance that very day, and subsequent symptoms he acquired after the incident: Dramatic mood change, fits of rage, narcissism, delusions of grandeur. Symptoms on par with narcissistic personality (NPD) or schizophrenia.
We enter on Henry and Brenner at Hawkins Lab. It's established this meeting was at Virginia's urging, as she's noticed his "condition deteriorating." Brenner gives Henry the rundown: "Your mother tells me..."
Brenner and Henry go back and forth with each other, with the former trying to get Henry to come clean while Henry evades and obfuscates. Although Brenner says he's not a psychiatrist, he begins to "psychoanalyze" Henry.
We get to the moment that started this whole thing (this post, I mean):
Brenner: "Let's talk about your mother." Henry: "Oh God, okay." Brenner: "Your mother seems to think you have some kind of ability. Some power." Henry: "Then maybe she's the one who should be committed." Brenner: "So you're saying you don't?" Henry: "I'm saying she's confused." Brenner: "Probably. It certainly wouldn't be the first time. It's typical actually. It's the mother -- it's always the mother. The mother comes and claims her child can do things. Impossible things. Magic, curses... spiders. And so I come out to investigate and I usually find something like this: A socially maladjusted child -- that's you -- who presents psychologically poorly -- also you -- but not nearly as poorly as the mother, who's invariably 'confused', like you said." Henry: "I don't want to talk about her." Brenner: "But we are talking about her."
In classic, Shavian mother-blaming fashion, Brenner presents himself as an ally by throwing Virginia under the bus. He tells Henry that Virginia told him that Henry's done "terrible things. Violent things." Baiting him.
Then, after having lured Henry in, Brenner pulls a Henry/MF move and turns things back around on him:
Brenner: "[Your mother] feels responsible, so she's seeking an excuse. But there's no excuse. A child is violent because they crave power. They crave power because they are weak." Henry: "I'm not weak." Brenner: "Why is that?"
Brenner has Henry right where he wants him, the entire time having played into Henry/the MF's narcissistic tendencies to get him to reassign the credit for his powers from his mother to himself. Knowing Henry will be unable to take the idea of someone else thinking his conventional mother -- the one who went to great lengths to make him "normal" -- was the one who willed his extraordinary abilities into being.
However, we the audience know that his powers really did come from his mother -- his Spider mother.
Brenner: "I almost feel sorry for you. Mommy said it for so long that you almost started to believe it for yourself that you're "special". You think you can scare me? You don't scare me [...] You're a weak, sniveling mama's boy!"
He's hoping to provoke a reaction out of Henry, to manipulate him into using his powers by asserting it over his (mortal) mother. And he succeeds. It seems "mama's boy" are the magic words that get Henry to explode a lab rat in its cage.
In the beat of silence after the killing, it looks like Henry awaits the rebuke and condemnation he's come to expect for his displays of "otherness". However, like Henry surprised his mother at the top of the play by hugging her, Brenner surprises Henry by praising him.
It's the first time we see Henry receive genuine positive reinforcement from an authority figure, rather than rejection for something he can't help. It's a gesture of "love" so great in the eyes of Henry, who's been deprived of it for so long (and from a male figure to boot), that he jumps into Brenner's arms. Brenner, who carries him like a father would a child; pets him in a way that's disquieting.
While it's a moment of whiplash for the audience -- it's also a classic abuse tactic: Idealize (love bomb), Devalue (criticize/demean), Discard (suddenly abandon). Brenner started with the devalue stage, but now has Henry in the literal palms of his hands. In one scene, he's accomplished more in gaining Henry's trust than his parents ever have by showing Henry that he sees and accepts him, even thinks he's special.
However, the abuser will always cycle back to abuse. When Brenner tries to get Henry to kill an inmate on death row and he refuses, Brenner begins with the insults again. And once again, he gets Henry to break by bringing up his mother:
Brenner: "Even your own mother hates you, Henry! She told me herself. She tells me everything. Her biggest regret. Ask her, Henry. Ask her! She hates you!"
Henry's powers begin leave his control, as the inmate's eyes begin to bleed, Brenner levitates, and the other guards and lab techs are incapacitated. Henry doesn't kill any of them.
Instead, he makes his escape. He goes home.
Brenner: "No. Let him go home to his mother."
Did Brenner suspect what would transpire if he let Henry go home?
Or was that what he'd planned all along when he put a target on Virginia's back?
Henry returns home and has his only one-on-one interaction with his sister Alice (who has been markedly absent from the play up until now). She, with all a child's innocence, is the one who spills that Brenner came by earlier and spoke to Virginia.
Upon learning this, Henry plays the spy one last time -- sneaking into Virginia's memories to find out what their conversation was:
Virginia: "I'm afraid." Brenner: "That's normal." [....] Virginia: "What are we going to do?" Brenner: "We can get him back, but we need your help. He's hiding someone from us, a girlfriend. All I need from you is a name." [Just like Canio demanding the name of Nedda's secret lover in Pagliacci.] Virginia: "And then what?" Brenner: "Then we'll take him in again, but this time we'll control him and you'll have your life back. A normal life. Don't you want that? You've been through so much, Mrs. Creel. Your whole family has." Virginia: "What do you mean, 'control him'?" Brenner: "No one blames you for wanting to protect your son. But we have to think about innocent lives here. You don't want anyone else to get hurt, do you?"
Brenner manipulates the mother this time, dangling her fears of being the monster's creator in one hand, and the temptation of finally achieving "normalcy" in the other.
All she has to do is betray her son by giving over the name of Henry's love -- for the purpose of extracting that love from his life. The love that has effectively replaced hers.
But when Virginia still shows hesitancy (at the idea of another person taking "control" over her child), Brenner slyly puts the onus on her for the potential harm Henry might inflict on others if she does not speak up.
And perhaps it's that reminder, that Henry is not the only child she needs to worry about, that finally pushes her over --
Henry sees this and begs his mom: "Please, Mom, don't."
Where Brenner presents Virginia with one final shot at maternal redemption in hers and society's eyes, Henry lays out one last chance for reconciliation between them -- for the mother-child bond to be restored.
From Back to Methuselah:
Eve of Cain: "I thought for a moment that perhaps this strong brave son of mine, who could imagine something better, and could desire what he imagined, might also be able to will what he desired until he created it. And all that comes of it is that he wants to be a bear and eat children."
Unfortunately for Henry, his mother thinks he is too far gone to be saved:
Virginia: "Just promise me --" Brenner: "We'll take care of him." Virginia: "Promise me you'll lock him up and throw away the key."
In the battle between love and fear, we see *fear* win.
Even Brenner seems a little surprised at her callousness.
Still, she completes her end of the bargain, and in exchange, Brenner gives her pills to help her forget the sin she has committed: A mother abandoning her child.
It's meant to salve her pain and protect for her mind from her son. But, of course, it doesn't work.
In one final family dinner (the Last Supper, if you will), Virginia puts on the performance of a lifetime as Mrs. Virginia Creel:
The angel mother, who makes a mean aspic and has her family say grace at the table. Who dotes on her boy -- "the man of the hour."
All of it a lie.
It's too bad her scene is completely ensconced in shadow, as Henry takes center stage, holding his mother's dress to his body. [hold onto that]
He drops the dress when a cloud of smoke begins to encircle him, come out of him. Whether the Shadow enters him, or whether it comes from him -- it's hard to tell.
Henry can no longer be distinguished from his Spider Mother -- Henry's pre-Oedipal crisis resolves not simply through identification, but a complete merging with the mother. His identity now inextricable from hers.
The Mind Flayer forms above him in her spider form, then disappears as Henry blends back into the domestic scene behind him. Ella Fitzgerald croons "Dream a Little Dream of Me" on the radio. The lights flicker. And we know the rest.
Under a dark red lighting design that creates silhouettes and shadows we see Henry murder his mother and sister with a few flicks of his wrist. While we can't fully behold the horror with the eyes, the sounds of pops, snaps, and screams fill out the rest of the scene for us.
With the Spider Mother at the helm now, Henry is free to discard his Mortal Mother.
A real Shavian mother: Virginia, like Eve, is reprimanding but ultimately helpless to stop her son from going down a path of murder and violence for the sake of "dreams" whispered in his ear by the Serpent Spider.
From Back to Methuselah:
Eve: "If you, Cain, had had the trouble of making Abel, or had had to make another man to replace him when he was gone, you would not have killed him [...] That is why there is enmity between Woman the creator and Man the destroyer. [...] It is long and hard and painful to create life: it is short and easy to steal the life others have made."
Freud's common adage was that "anatomy is destiny" when it came to the development of males and females: who they would grow up to be, what roles they would fill, what temperaments they would have. But Shaw said "the Golden Rule is there is no Golden Rule" -- what a person grew up to be was all dependent on the freedom and opportunities we allowed the youth, male or female (Lenker, 39).
In Shaw's case, he often explored what young women might achieve if they were given more guidance from the father figure. In fact, we have a shining example of the Shavian daughter in El, ST's very own "woman sculpted from clay". However, the men in Shaw's plays are either the guardians in question (taking on a more present role in their "daughters'" lives) or revolutionaries who challenge society's rigid ways, but don't necessarily apply that change on themselves.
Take Jack Tanner, who riots against the Life Force chasing him down in the form of Ann Whitefield. Tanner, who values his independence and believes women only see men as easily-discarded "instruments" to bring them children... Only to succumb to Ann's wishes of marriage (and theoretically, children as well).
Despite his personal beliefs, even Shaw concedes to the power of the Life Force, and its biological inevitability:
From Back to Methuselah:
Eve [about to rise] "I will go and tell Adam to conceive." The Serpent: [laughs] Eve [jarred and startled] "What a hateful noise! What is the matter with you? No one has ever uttered such a sound before." The Serpent: "Adam cannot conceive." Eve: "Why?" The Serpent: "Lilith did not imagine him so. He can imagine: he can will: he can desire: he can gather his life together for a great spring towards creation: he can create all things except one; and that one is his own kind."
It is this distinction between male and female that led to a fixation on *Man's* ability to create life -- the Promethean theme. The same concept that made Mary Shelley want to write Frankenstein as a cautionary tale of what creating life actually means, aimed at the men who viewed birth and the mother as monstrous.
We see a Promethean figure in Dr. Brenner who, once having Henry back under his control through soteria (the symbol of castration and conditional separation from the Shadow Mother) cannot access Henry's powers and therefore uses him as his instrument to commit an even great act of God.
From ST S4 Ep 7: "Chapter Seven: The Massacre at Hawkins Lab":
Henry: "The truth is he did not just want to study me. He wanted more. He wanted to control. When Papa finally realized he could not control me, he tried to recreate me."
Brenner defies the laws of nature to create the super-powered children, using Henry's blood. Children he and the government intend to use as weapons.
Man the Destroyer makes a mockery of Woman the Creator.
Now, Henry is definitively Man. He is Cain -- the first son and the first murderer. A Destroyer.
But perhaps he is not just Man.
It is here where I want to posit that, with so many symbols of the feminine attached to Henry -- the witch/mermaid/ princess/ cheating wife archetypes, castration and the making of El, "wearing" his mother's dress in the scene above, his merging with the sexually-threatening, feminine MF -- that perhaps Henry has been specifically and deliberately coded to be trans-femme (or at the very least, genderfluid).
Granted, there's several problematic implications there when you enter the realm of Norman Bates comparisons with Henry, who carries out murders under the influence of the Mother figure, the MF (not to mention Bates' real-life inspiration, Ed Gein). But look: I don't make the signs, I just read them.
But as much as Henry becomes the MF, he also becomes Virginia. After all, in killing her as Vecna, he consumed her, absorbed her into him. She now remains as much a part of him as the MF.
We see this in the final scene of the play, when he is introduced to his "sister" Eleven: "Hello Eleven. It's nice to meet you. I'm here to help."
Henry then takes her hand and they walk together. Henry, finally able to be a father to his daughter, even if it's under strict supervision.
Henry begins to sing to her the same song his mother sang to him: "Tonight You Belong to Me."
A symbol representing the loss of the mother-child bond due to outside forces keeping them apart.
Henry may not have understood his mother then, but he certainly does now: "There is no greater pain than to see your child suffer."
Perhaps now it's easier to understand Henry's desperation for Eleven to run away with him during the Massacre of Hawkins Lab.
And why the Mind Flayer is so desperate to use Henry to reunite with her mom, Mother Goose -- even if it costs Henry and so many others their life and freedom.
We see now that the bond between mother and child has always been as essential to the story of Stranger Things as queer love.
After all, it all began with a young (queer) boy who goes missing, and his "crazy" mother who stops at nothing to save her boy and bring him home.
But will this generation's Eve be able to save her son's soul? Or will he too receive the mark of Cain?
WOOF. If you read this whole thing, seriously, thank you. I know this post is not for everyone. No one may even read it except for me. But I wanted to write it anyway.
Virginia and Henry's story is just as much an important piece of the puzzle as Bob and Henry's. Another sad ending that perhaps might lead to a gay one in Vol. 4.
Anyway, here's a palate cleanser! Found it on my Twitter TL and it was strangely relevant??? Talk about if Virginia and Henry lived in a different world.
Given how close Lunar New Year is (fingers crossed!) I know I'm definitely not going to finish my Shavian analysis of ST before then.
But I do intend to finish it, Vol. 4 drop or not.
There's so much juicy stuff there I want to dive into with the Shaw of it all, but I think I'll make a post with the "abstract" (and my final ST predictions) sometime Monday night. Till then --
Stay tuned.
Disclaimer: I'm going to break my evidence for this theory into different posts under #BobGate (also #PuzzleGate), but if possible, let's keep this contained to Tumblr because I think there are folks who might care about being spoiled for what I think is going to be an amazing twist (if #conformitygate is in fact real.) **I haven't come across a theory/analysis like this yet, but if there is, let me know in the comments!
maybe unpopular opinion but i love the s3 byler dynamic (with queer mike lenses) …i think there is a lot of raw emotion there, and a lot of conflicting feelings and thoughts, the extreme change of mike going from an asshole to biking in the rain to apologize to will in person, them constantly being glued to each other sides, “welcome to my world” oooh. they make me ill
Okay but hear me out,
I love bravebyers and wisewheeler, but what if we had miwi interacting with teen/adult cleradin.
Mini Mike and Will would both be so in awe of this version of themselves and be obsessed with the magic and be asking hundreds of questions, it would literally be their dream. And cleric Will would probably show them all his magic and paladin Mike would pretend be annoyed by them but actually think it was adorable and eventually let little mike hold his sword.
mike wheeler being annoying af about will - a beautiful compilation
(ps: I love mike ok this is just a joke)

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