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if you see t*rfs claiming trans women can't call themselves women and the point you take from that is "that's fucked up because gender isn't real and labels are stupid who cares what they call themselves b/c no one is a woman" instead of "that's fucked up because trans women need to be able to describe their oppression as women under patriarchal society and build community with other women in the same situation" then you are simply not educated enough to be engaging in discussions about Igbt+ oppression until you figure out how to get to the latter conclusion (collectivist) instead of the former (individualist). because clearly you thought the problem was "policing (individual) identity labels" instead of making sure people have access to words that accurately discuss communal experiences under cisheteropatriarchy.
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I guess the big thing that a lot of trans guys tend not to recognize is that the type of sexual harassment trans guys face is not. dissimilar from the type of sexual harassment cis guys face, and that sexual harassment doesn't disappear after you start being able to pass. if ur a short guy or a weak guy or a guy who's a little tiny bit effeminate or a bit "pretty" or young other guys will do some evil ass shit to you regardless of if they process you as cis or trans. (yes, transphobia compounds significantly on this - but it will still happen if ur cis.) Being wary of men is completely understandable and justified. Cis men have to be wary of men too, albeit in less extreme ways and via different techniques. Thinking of yourself as separate from cis men, though, positioning urself as the afab perpetual victim, ignores the fact that there are other cis men like you and also that you likely at some point or another will have the opportunity to do the kind of evil shit to other men that cis men do, lol.
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I understand that we're all mourning the death of public third spaces and feeling nostalgic for how things were in the 80s or whatever, but in terms of lost treasures of the past, I feel like people are losing sight of the fact that the go-to hangout spot being a shopping center/"mall" was already a pretty bleak expression of how (especially US) culture revolved around capitalist consumerism? Even before they started to ban teenagers from existing there.
Idk whenever I see a nostalgic aesthetic post venerating the lost magic of a shopping multiplex I just imagine in 30 years time people going "these were the good times... What we lost" and then just posting a screenshot of the Amazon.com homepage, pffff
When we rebuild society I feel like we should try to make the social centerpieces/hangout spots like, parks, and entertainment/community/leisure centers, rather than money extraction complexes
Need need need transmascs to understand that when trans women say shit like āI hate transmascsā itās a generalization in the same vein as saying āI hate menā or people of color saying āI hate white peopleā and my god I hope you donāt have a problem with those. But when transmascs say āI hate trans womenā that is just misogyny! Because you hold structural power over us! Itās like if a cis dude went āI hate womenā or something similar. The main difference is that we are making generalizations about people who hold power over us and frequently wield it against us, and youāre using that power to reinforce the status quo, which is to say, structural transmisogyny and its constituent parts
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ive got some big ideas on how to make forcemasc not lame but no one lets me speak because they hate to see a woman in a male dominated field (making girls into boys)
Online discussions of forcemasc are characterized first and foremost by a fundamental lack of recognition as to the sexual dynamics at play in forcefem and what has made it such a culturally pervasive fetish. My intent in this manifesto is to lay down a set of qualities that would allow forcemasc to be more in line with its sister fetish in terms of the erotic elements at play, and to answer the question as to what forcemasc could bring to the table if fostered into an actually viable site of erotics instead of an excuse for guys to make vaguely sexually charged captioned images of tim roth in reservoir dogs. In order to do this I have created the following loose set of three rules to follow when making forcemasc fetish art:Ā
Forcemasc can not be in good taste:
One of the single most defining differences between forcemasc and forcefem is the question of good taste. A lack of familiarity with regards to forcefem has caused it to be primarily thought of as a fetish that sexualizes the desire to transition and the joys of becoming a self actualized woman, which can not be further from the truth. The appeal derives from it being an implicitly misogynistic and transphobic fetish, in which becoming a transgender woman is entering a fundamentally humiliating and degraded position. This is why itĀ carries an audience primarily composed of cisgender men and repressed transgender women, as it sexualizes the anxieties and fears that surround transitioning from male to female.Ā Forcemasc, in contrast, is very pro transition - it idealizes the confidence and strength one obtains while transitioning, which is why it has an audience primarily composed of actual transitioning transgender men, but very little audience of cis women and repressed transgender men. My first rule is that forcemasc needs to overtly indulge the sexual neuroses and self hatred of its audience - in order for masculinity to be forced, it must be actively detrimental and miserable for the victim. In other words: in the sexual dynamics of forcemasc, transitioning should be the worst thing that can ever happen to you. The following rules likewise will dismiss the question of good taste entirely, and will intentionally follow certain reactionary lines of thinking regarding gender, homosexuality, and transitioning that are obviously not representative of my actual beliefs.Ā
Forcemasc must prioritize the loss of womanhood:Ā
In forcefem, sexual appeal often derives not from the shift to womanhood, but rather the loss of manhood. In fact, forcefem very rarely even gives its victims the end point of being a woman, hence the popularity of terms like āsissyā or āfemboyā - the victim is barred access from the role of a ācompleteā woman, and must instead exist within a denigrated feminized underclass that exists below womanhood and manhood. Likewise, forcemasc should prioritize the loss of femininity and by extension womanhood. Much like how a victim of forcefem is rendered weak and ineffectual before being rendered feminine, a victim of forcemasc should be stripped of the āpositiveā attributes associated with womanhood before they are given traits of manhood. The most obvious potential shift here would be a loss of beauty and desirability. Here is the first big sexual neurosis that should underline forcemasc, the fear of becoming undesirable. The second one is that of morality. Women are conventionally thought of as the more mature, self sacrificing, and ethical of the sexes, and forcemasc should likewise fetishize the loss of maturity and good morals. All of this is important because of the frequency with which forcemasc, when not having its victims becoming self actualized, masculine men, has them becoming effeminate gay bottoms. This is important to avoid. A lot of the time this is treated as the inevitable end result of making a woman into a man: the creation of a āman with a holeā ie, symbolically, a man who is a feminized underclass. I want to discourage this idea, firstly because the shift from one feminized underclass - cisgender woman - to another feminized underclass - effeminate/bottom male - is not very erotically dynamic. Rather, the end result should be a āman without a penisā ie, symbolically, a man who is sexually incompetent, juvenile, and incapable, a much more meaningful shift from womanhood. Within common sexual neurosis, this is already the end result of transition. It closely aligns with existing transphobic stereotypes of transgender men as ugly, volatile, immature and overcompensating, all which serve to present transition as unappealing. There is some gesturing towards āincel-ficationā type forcemasc in discussions regarding it but very little that places it at the forefront of the erotics, which should change, imo. The incel is also an ideal archetype to play with because, ideal for the forcemasc victim, there is the underlying sense of being ānot enough of a manā but without any feminine characteristics. Not that itās the only viable option, of course, thatās just an aside. Thereās also value to the incel because it is a very obtainable shift. It is much easier to force someone to become a self hating, angry slob then it is to force someone to be confident and well maintained. Neurosis over certain features also works here, the fear of being too short or having too weak of a jawline or not having broad enough shoulders do not prohibit one from becoming an incel, but justify it.Ā
The perpetrator of forcemasc should be emblematic of what is being lost:Ā
This is less applicable to forcemasc in which a woman forces another woman to become a man, as the loss of womanhood is transparent in this situation, but it is very applicable to forcemasc in which a man forces a woman to become a man. Looking through the forcemasc tag thereās notably a lack of a clear cut distinguishing features attached to the perpetrator or dominant force, but if there is they are typically masculine. This is very much in opposition to forcefem, in which the perpetrator is presented in glaring opposition to the victim in terms of presentation. Although women perpetrators in forcefem are rarely full on butch (unsurprisingly, as the primary audience is cis males) they are often emblematic of a more conventionally masculine sort of power. They are always authoritative, often government officials or business women, or taking on some other predominantly male role. This is in large part to emphasize the fact that the victim has been stripped of their own masculinity - the perpetrator has become emblematic of power that they have lost. I would argue that the ideal perpetrator in forcemasc should, likewise, be representative of the desirability and competency that has been stolen from the victim. The perpetrator should have at least a handful of explicitly feminine traits, and be characteristically put together, seductive and well groomed, and not emblematic of a traditional masculinity. This firstly emphasizes the victim as between the two of them being the āmanā in the relationship, further masculinizing them. Importantly, as well, it feeds into neurosis regarding sexuality. Interest in a man who is not conventionally masculine suggests a repressed break from traditional heterosexual interests on the part of the victim, that the perpetrator can use to exploit and humiliate them. Therefore, the ideal forcemasc perpetrator would ideally be a sort of āmanipulative effeteā archetype - think Griffith from Berserk. Also of note here is another significant neurosis attached to transitioning, the common stereotype that Yaoi gives women rapid onset gender dysphoria. The fujoshi as a victim is ideal, as typically fujoshis are imagined as perverse and objectifying, both traits that forced masculinization would draw out. But it also creates an interesting erotic dynamic between the victim and perpetrator. While the perpetrator is emblematic of a sort of ārealā cisgender gay man, explicitly effeminate, male, and interested in men, the victim is made into a sort of ineffectual agender pervert with a lecherous eye towards the perpetrator. The role of the voyeur associated with fujos also fits comfortably into the previously discussed category of the sexually incompetent and perverse male.
This is a really good post. I always imagined the ideal neurosis regarding loss of womanhood and accompanying loss of morality being like "YES! Testosterone is a poison that will turn you into a violent rapist! Masculinity is the absence of everything gentle!" Imbued suddenly with a great capacity to do violence but too weak and stupid to know what to do with it or how to control , like an animal. All those posts about being dogs actually taken somewhere. I really like the incel idea though and there's definitely overlap!
High Kill Shelter by @xrafstar gets at this idea somewhat but the focus is really on animal less than animal as metaphor for man. It's really really good besides. Huge fan of all their work.
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ive got some big ideas on how to make forcemasc not lame but no one lets me speak because they hate to see a woman in a male dominated field (making girls into boys)
Online discussions of forcemasc are characterized first and foremost by a fundamental lack of recognition as to the sexual dynamics at play in forcefem and what has made it such a culturally pervasive fetish. My intent in this manifesto is to lay down a set of qualities that would allow forcemasc to be more in line with its sister fetish in terms of the erotic elements at play, and to answer the question as to what forcemasc could bring to the table if fostered into an actually viable site of erotics instead of an excuse for guys to make vaguely sexually charged captioned images of tim roth in reservoir dogs. In order to do this I have created the following loose set of three rules to follow when making forcemasc fetish art:Ā
Forcemasc can not be in good taste:
One of the single most defining differences between forcemasc and forcefem is the question of good taste. A lack of familiarity with regards to forcefem has caused it to be primarily thought of as a fetish that sexualizes the desire to transition and the joys of becoming a self actualized woman, which can not be further from the truth. The appeal derives from it being an implicitly misogynistic and transphobic fetish, in which becoming a transgender woman is entering a fundamentally humiliating and degraded position. This is why itĀ carries an audience primarily composed of cisgender men and repressed transgender women, as it sexualizes the anxieties and fears that surround transitioning from male to female.Ā Forcemasc, in contrast, is very pro transition - it idealizes the confidence and strength one obtains while transitioning, which is why it has an audience primarily composed of actual transitioning transgender men, but very little audience of cis women and repressed transgender men. My first rule is that forcemasc needs to overtly indulge the sexual neuroses and self hatred of its audience - in order for masculinity to be forced, it must be actively detrimental and miserable for the victim. In other words: in the sexual dynamics of forcemasc, transitioning should be the worst thing that can ever happen to you. The following rules likewise will dismiss the question of good taste entirely, and will intentionally follow certain reactionary lines of thinking regarding gender, homosexuality, and transitioning that are obviously not representative of my actual beliefs.Ā
Forcemasc must prioritize the loss of womanhood:Ā
In forcefem, sexual appeal often derives not from the shift to womanhood, but rather the loss of manhood. In fact, forcefem very rarely even gives its victims the end point of being a woman, hence the popularity of terms like āsissyā or āfemboyā - the victim is barred access from the role of a ācompleteā woman, and must instead exist within a denigrated feminized underclass that exists below womanhood and manhood. Likewise, forcemasc should prioritize the loss of femininity and by extension womanhood. Much like how a victim of forcefem is rendered weak and ineffectual before being rendered feminine, a victim of forcemasc should be stripped of the āpositiveā attributes associated with womanhood before they are given traits of manhood. The most obvious potential shift here would be a loss of beauty and desirability. Here is the first big sexual neurosis that should underline forcemasc, the fear of becoming undesirable. The second one is that of morality. Women are conventionally thought of as the more mature, self sacrificing, and ethical of the sexes, and forcemasc should likewise fetishize the loss of maturity and good morals. All of this is important because of the frequency with which forcemasc, when not having its victims becoming self actualized, masculine men, has them becoming effeminate gay bottoms. This is important to avoid. A lot of the time this is treated as the inevitable end result of making a woman into a man: the creation of a āman with a holeā ie, symbolically, a man who is a feminized underclass. I want to discourage this idea, firstly because the shift from one feminized underclass - cisgender woman - to another feminized underclass - effeminate/bottom male - is not very erotically dynamic. Rather, the end result should be a āman without a penisā ie, symbolically, a man who is sexually incompetent, juvenile, and incapable, a much more meaningful shift from womanhood. Within common sexual neurosis, this is already the end result of transition. It closely aligns with existing transphobic stereotypes of transgender men as ugly, volatile, immature and overcompensating, all which serve to present transition as unappealing. There is some gesturing towards āincel-ficationā type forcemasc in discussions regarding it but very little that places it at the forefront of the erotics, which should change, imo. The incel is also an ideal archetype to play with because, ideal for the forcemasc victim, there is the underlying sense of being ānot enough of a manā but without any feminine characteristics. Not that itās the only viable option, of course, thatās just an aside. Thereās also value to the incel because it is a very obtainable shift. It is much easier to force someone to become a self hating, angry slob then it is to force someone to be confident and well maintained. Neurosis over certain features also works here, the fear of being too short or having too weak of a jawline or not having broad enough shoulders do not prohibit one from becoming an incel, but justify it.Ā
The perpetrator of forcemasc should be emblematic of what is being lost:Ā
This is less applicable to forcemasc in which a woman forces another woman to become a man, as the loss of womanhood is transparent in this situation, but it is very applicable to forcemasc in which a man forces a woman to become a man. Looking through the forcemasc tag thereās notably a lack of a clear cut distinguishing features attached to the perpetrator or dominant force, but if there is they are typically masculine. This is very much in opposition to forcefem, in which the perpetrator is presented in glaring opposition to the victim in terms of presentation. Although women perpetrators in forcefem are rarely full on butch (unsurprisingly, as the primary audience is cis males) they are often emblematic of a more conventionally masculine sort of power. They are always authoritative, often government officials or business women, or taking on some other predominantly male role. This is in large part to emphasize the fact that the victim has been stripped of their own masculinity - the perpetrator has become emblematic of power that they have lost. I would argue that the ideal perpetrator in forcemasc should, likewise, be representative of the desirability and competency that has been stolen from the victim. The perpetrator should have at least a handful of explicitly feminine traits, and be characteristically put together, seductive and well groomed, and not emblematic of a traditional masculinity. This firstly emphasizes the victim as between the two of them being the āmanā in the relationship, further masculinizing them. Importantly, as well, it feeds into neurosis regarding sexuality. Interest in a man who is not conventionally masculine suggests a repressed break from traditional heterosexual interests on the part of the victim, that the perpetrator can use to exploit and humiliate them. Therefore, the ideal forcemasc perpetrator would ideally be a sort of āmanipulative effeteā archetype - think Griffith from Berserk. Also of note here is another significant neurosis attached to transitioning, the common stereotype that Yaoi gives women rapid onset gender dysphoria. The fujoshi as a victim is ideal, as typically fujoshis are imagined as perverse and objectifying, both traits that forced masculinization would draw out. But it also creates an interesting erotic dynamic between the victim and perpetrator. While the perpetrator is emblematic of a sort of ārealā cisgender gay man, explicitly effeminate, male, and interested in men, the victim is made into a sort of ineffectual agender pervert with a lecherous eye towards the perpetrator. The role of the voyeur associated with fujos also fits comfortably into the previously discussed category of the sexually incompetent and perverse male.
This is a really good post. I always imagined the ideal neurosis regarding loss of womanhood and accompanying loss of morality being like "YES! Testosterone is a poison that will turn you into a violent rapist! Masculinity is the absence of everything gentle!" Imbued suddenly with a great capacity to do violence but too weak and stupid to know what to do with it or how to control , like an animal. All those posts about being dogs actually taken somewhere. I really like the incel idea though and there's definitely overlap!
