Catching Up With Chris Crocker
After a regrettable porn vid and epic failures, we discuss what fame means to the Internet star of the documentary, 'Me @ the Zoo,' in what he calls his 'most honest interview'
Do we know yet what to call Chris Crockerâs fame? Does he?
His introduction to the entertainment industry, as a hysterical fan in âLeave Britney Alone,â one of the first viral videos, certainly set the stage for one kind of definition. But Valerie Veatch and Chris Moukarbel's documentary Me @ the Zooânow available on DVD and VODâpaints a different picture, contextualizing Crocker in a larger framework of hilarity and humanization (heâll never get legitimacy by Hollywood standards or a fruit basket from Britney, but at least he gets a movie showcasing his talents and sass!).
But is even that the whole reality? While the doc closes out by playing his catchy pop single, and seems to be a triumph for has-been Crocker, it is clear from talking to him that this is hardly a happily-ever-after in his now un-painted eyes.
Sure, he has more music, more funny videos, a YouTube partnership, and a porno; but he also has no direction, no money, no timeâand a porno.
Whether it was the mood of the day, being thankful not to have to talk about Britney, or just responding improvisationally and emotionally to his own thoughts as he said them (a good chance why heâs been able to create over 500 videos), Crocker here makes the beginning, if awkward, steps to assessing his unglamorous situation, without the brand-able sass.
Out: In the movie you say make the observation that youâre the inverse of Paris Hilton, and youâre famous for not being famous.
Itâs peopleâs favorite thing to say to just write me off.
I think that it happens more so than not. But I think the chances that Iâve been given to showcase what I actually do and just my story in generalâthose chances that I was given at 19 to film my reality showâwent down the toilet really quick, for various reasons. And so career opportunities for me have been very slim to none.
In a recent video, you actually said that âLeave Britney Aloneâ hurt you, and I think most people would think, âBut oh, thatâs what made him so famous and thatâs what he wants.â
Completely. A lot of people think the Britney video is what got me famous and what gave me all these opportunities, but if I were to have gone to L.A. as an unknown actorâI probably could have gotten a lot more work. I donât regret it necessarily; I think it just gives me more hurdles to overcomeâŠWhich, you know⊠and obviously doing the porn thing didnât necessarily help me.
It kind of created a whole other box that I have to overcome. But when youâre known as the Britney-boy, or youâre in a "15 minutes of fame" box, itâs very interesting, because the offers start coming at you really quick. And when they dwindle, you donât know what to do. And Iâm wrapping up an album that Iâm self-funding, so every decision that I make is survival-based.
Doesnât the movie show you becoming a YouTube Partner now, with big checks?
Itâs not what people think when youâre in my position. Having done the porn, everythingâs a little bit tarnished right nowâŠÂ but, you know, itâs pretty much up to me to make those little calculated moves. I dropped out of school in the eighth grade. So even if I just wanted to go get a regular jobâeven a job at Starbucksâa lot of people wouldnât hire me. So itâs like, do I just pick up the pieces from here and go back to school? Which is⊠likely, at this point.
Are you saying that you regret the porn? Or, was it maybe not as purposeful as you made it seem at the time [in an earlier interview, Chris urged the decision came from an âempoweredâ place]?
It wasnât just going to be a one-off porn, it was going to be the porn and then a website, with the same companies, so, the only thing going through my head was setting up a future with my boyfriend at the time, and getting us a house and a mortgage and things like that. I said, âWell if Iâm going to do it, then letâs make it worth it.â So, then we broke up a week before the porn came out. So then, yeah, it kind of ended. You have to contractually, and things, promote a porn. So I regret doing it with my ex more than I regret doing it in generalâŠ
Could you do it again, if the circumstances were more favorable?
I could do it again, but honestlyâŠwhere is the reality show? And where are the people that have seen how interesting my life is? Not that many people were, like, the first of their kind to be an Internet celebrityâwhat happens after that? What happens after you extend your 15 minutes of fame to 30 minutes of fame, and itâs six, seven years later, and youâre still living at home in Tennessee? I think thatâs an interesting story, a little more than Honey Boo BooâŠ
This is a big thing for you, this reality show. Do you have a plan to attain it?
I feel as though⊠a lot of people donât realize this, but World of Wonder, the same people that doRupaulâs Drag Race, shot a pilot with me, and um, for various reasons that I wonât nameâsome of which involve Perez Hilton being on their roster at the time, and him and I not being friends at the timeâmy show did not go through. It wasnât pitched correctly and it wasnâtâI was 19 and I kind of let that fall. Itâs also hard to pitch a reality show in Tennessee.
If youâre a production company, and we have ties that go way back, shouldnât you be massaging my back a little bit and prodding me? I can only pitch myself so much from my bedroom. My YouTube videos are like my antenna on my head to the universe. Like, how much more do you need to see to know that I am entertaining? But for some reasonâŠsome unanswered reason, Iâm just completely useless to the entertainment industry⊠and they donât see a story there.
So⊠itâs just been a series of disappointments, is that what youâre saying?
Iâm just being completely honest with you, this is the most honest interview Iâve probably done in years.
Iâm just a little thrown because in your videos and the movie you are always very upbeat, despite the setbacks. There always seems to be an inner-confidence and direction.
Mm-hmm. Well this is all coming from the last 2 weeks. Iâve been content just living in my grandparentsâ home for too long, and Iâve been content, not living for too long. I think that um you know, the outlet is gone for me, what used to be an outlet, the videos used to be an outlet, everythingâs gone for me. So any interview that I can use as a therapy sessionâIâm using it.
Donât worry about it. Do you ever think you could just go to school and throw the cameras away?
Ab-solutely! Itâs more so Iâm terrified of the south. Iâm terrified of day-to-day interactions. Thatâs why Iâve been so immersed in videos here. When I was given that opportunity to work with World of Wonder, I wholeheartedly believed that was my ticket out of here! And I donât know what psychologically snapped in me, where I decided I wasnât worth anything, to do anything to get attention to keep that attention to get me the fuck out of TN? But thatâs always been in my inner-monologue, all along.
And what about the question of your gender?
Ha. I just noticed a difference in your videos, in how you come across, now looking more like a boy than a girl.
I definitely feel the most connected with myself Iâve ever felt. Maybe thatâs because before I began to explore my more masculine traits, I thought I was going to go through with a boob job. And now that I feel like Iâve explored both sides, I feel like I know myself very well. But, this is whatâs completely weirdâI never knew what it was like to not be so paranoid walking through a grocery store. I canât even imagine that same bravery that I used to have, which is really bizarre to me to think about.
I know itâs not the answer anyone wants to hear because itâs such a vague answer, but I really donât feel like just boy or just girl.
I accept that answer, itâs just clips in the movie show you definitely as thinking you are a girl. Do you know what changed that?
Well hereâs one thing that I can tell youâŠ. as recently as like, last week. My grandmother is so happy with my current lookâitâs what she always wanted me to look like. And again, feeling that acceptance, and her being able to show me off to her family members, like, âOh, heâs so handsome,â thatâs something thatâs new for her. But in a way that kind of upsets the other part of me that is like OK, where was all this before? ...I told her, Iâve honestly never been more uncomfortable inside my own body. But I really only said that to be a little more provoking towards her. Iâm comfortable with myself. So I think when youâre comfortable with yourself, you kind of go with whatever aesthetic you choose.
So youâre going for whatâs easier on your family and society.
Yeah...[long, contemplative pause] Sorry, this has been a complete unload of information! I feel like interviews are to mark a certain time of your life, and this is this time of my life.
Youâre a fan of catchphrasesâlike "its a hair flip" or "we're on a first-ring basis, bitch"âgive me the catchphrase for this time of your life.
I was going say the title of a book Iâm going to writeâIâm always doing 50 things at once. I started writing my book, Chris Crocker: Behind the Curtain? Because in the video they think Iâm like under a bed, itâs really a curtain⊠oh hold on! Chris Crocker: More Than a Catchphrase. I donât even know if thatâs a catchphraseâbut yeah.
After our interview, Crocker wrote about this interview in his Tumblr, after it happened, reiterating its honest nature, and thanks people for helping him realize it is his fault he is stuck as much as anyone elseâs. Although many might write him off, there is a kind of bravery in admitting to a magazine some of your bad decisions and being blunt about your wishes. Just because someoneâs a has-been and a never-was, hopefully doesnât brand them forever as a never-will-be. Â
Interview BY MICHAEL NARKUNSKI for OUT
Photograph by Charles Quiles