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Me falling for Loki:
#HE SAID IT!
this moment is actually much more than a moment of sass.Ā For the trainwreck that was this movie, these lines are brilliant because they DUALLY confirm his acceptance of himself, and his burial of a hatchet. In other words, this is Lokiās two-pronged detente:
1) with his inner war of self-hatred, for being a Jotun (āIām not Asgardian,ā openly directing all those witnessing his almost certain death to his true heritage)
and
2) with his outer feud against the Avengers (Ā āwe have a Hulk,ā tacitly quoting Tony Stark, and citing the moment that his worthy adversaries defeated him: people who are, in part, adversaries no more).Ā Ā
This was truly a seminal moment in Lokiās personal development.Ā
This is an act of defiance, and one of heroism, for as futile as the endeavor may seem for all practical purposes, Loki DENIES Thanosās power over himĀ (the power of his abuser, and so many othersā), by LOVING HIMSELF: EVERY part of himself.Ā
āYou will never be a godā LIKE ME.Ā
And when Loki finally does this and embraces who he is and could live happy life those 2 pricks killed him only because they didnt like him and didnt know how to write him

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Odinās Alternate Death Scene
Was it a better scene? Do I prefer it to the movie version?
I want to analyze this deleted scene more in depth to answer these questions. Itās the only deleted scene of TR that worth an analysis.
The scene starts with Thor and Loki finding Odin.Ā
āI stripped him of his memories . Disguised his existence. But I didnāt do this.āĀ
Loki stops Thor to say this. Thor yanks his arms out of Lokiās hold. Clearly still angry with Loki and blaming him. They both worriedly run to Odin.Ā
This confirms that Loki only took Odinās memory and didnāt strip him of his power. What Thor later accuses him of. Also he cares about Odinās health and didnāt want him in that situation. It also confirms my headcanon that Heimdall only realized Odin wasnāt the one on the throne when Odin broke Lokiās spell and Heimdall could see him again.
Lokiās expression when Odin walks to him is like a little boy who canāt believe this happened to his father. Heās shocked and worried.
āYour lawless nature and the storms within you, you inherited from me.ā
This sentence left a bad taste in my mouth. I couldnāt put a finger on the reason. And I couldnāt find the right words to explain it. Because it seems like a nice thing to say. Is it not? Then I remembered how Thor said Loki would do nicely in a trash planet:
Thor: āThis place is perfect for you. Itās savage, chaotic, lawless. Brother, youāre going to do GREAT here.ā
Loki: āDo you truly think so little of me?ā
Thorās words āchaotic and lawlessā imply the same meaning of what Odin says to Loki. And Loki is offended by them. They both see this as sth inferior. So what Odin claims Loki inherited from him is not actually sth praise worthy in their opinion. As I thought more about it I realized this wasnāt the only reason why Odinās words didnāt sit right with me. What really bothers me is that Odin once again is projecting his own traits on his child. It doesnāt matter whether theyāre good or bad, itās the way that Odin sees his children as an extension of himself and disregards their individuality which is the problem.
But I liked that Odin actually apologized to Loki directly. Loki looks like heās about to cry. That was one of the best parts of this deleted scene.
The way Loki tries to steady Thor and stop him from falling instinctively is such a nice moment that is an indication of a long life of protecting his brother. Remember it was only the recent years that their relationship fell apart and that Lokiās betrayal to Thor was a shock to him in the first movie.
Then Hela shows up angry and Odin handles the situation as always terribly.
Hela: āWith all that I accomplished in your name, tell me why was I condemned? You took everything from meā
Odin: āYou gave up everything to pursue your twisted dream. Your way was cold and brutal.āĀ
We have another moment of Odinās A+ parenting. Raise your child to be a weapon and instill the ideas of war and glory in them. And as soon as they disobey you and they are of no use to your plans, lock them forever. And blame them for the way they acted according to your own teachings and ideas. Well-done Odin!
Lokiās āNoā in this scene killed me! Which was echoed by Thor and the way he threw Mjolnir toward Hela was a parallel to the way he did the same to his motherās murderer. Both times he was too late. This was a heartbreaking moment.Ā
Was this a better scene than what we saw in the movie?
It definitely had many good emotional moments as mentioned above.
But it also has some weaknesses. The way Odin gave hints to Thor about seeking out the fire would later take the moment of realization from Thor when he decided to destroy Asgard. He also made Thor king, which later would make Thorās coronation scene less touching. Because in the movie it feels like Thor has earned the title of being king. But this scene gives everything(a way to defeat Hela and kingship) to Thor on a silver plate.Ā
The scenery of the cliff in Norway is more beautiful. One of the few scenes in the movie which doesnāt happen in ruins or among trash.
And finally, this is subjective but I preferred Odinās behavior in the movie, calm and collected, rather than his hobo version when one moment he is sane and wise and then he is not and he kept pronouncing āAsgardā as āAssgardā. I donāt think any version of Odin would ever do that.
Why was this scene deleted and replaced?
āIf you saw the trailer, thereās a scene where Odin dies in New York. For various reasons we wanted to get them out of New York and set up this place for Avengers: Endgame. We wanted to seed this location earlier to set up Asgardās new home. Also, the test audiences felt bummed out about Odin dying next to trash and garbage in an alley.ā [X]
According to TW, the scene was cut because the test audience got emotional and sad for Odinās death and him dying next to trash. And apparently emotions are icky.
But I think there are more reasons than that. In the deleted scene, what Loki actually did to Odin is explained so Thor canāt later blame him for stripping Odin of his power. Loki got an apology from Odin, a hero coded character, which actually makes his grievance with his family valid. His sadness over Odinās conditions and his reaction to Odinās death give him more dimensions and make the audience more sympathetic toward him. Also the way he calls Bifrost in the deleted scene is not out of fear like in the movie, but determination and rational thinking that they are weaponless. He also does what Odin told them and tries to get them back to Asgard. So he canāt be blamed for Hela reaching Asgard. There is also no time for Thor blaming Loki for everything that happened. This four minutes deleted scene, gives Loki more validation and sympathy than all of his scenes in the movie. Which later would make it difficult for the narrative to keep invalidating, humiliating and blaming him, and also for Thor in the elevator scene to dismiss Loki and his pain.
Moreover, how do you think the test audience reacted to other characters in this scene? Which character invoked a more emotional reaction beside Odin? Obviously itās Loki. And TW didnāt want the audience sympathizing with him.
I also think that Odinās behavior, specially him saying āAssgardā, was meant to make the audience laugh which probably didnāt happen with the test audience.
So in my opinion, all of this together, are the reasons why the scene was replaced, not just the emotional reaction to Odinās death.
Finally, which scene would be a better choice in the movie?
I think a combination of both scenes. If I were to write this scene, I would keep the location in Norway and I would add Odinās apology to Loki. I would have kept āI love you my sonsā because it made more sense after Odin apologized to Loki and wouldnāt have felt like gaslighting as much as it did in the movie. I think Hela killing Odin was a powerful moment, so I would keep that too. That means removing the scene in which Thor blames everything on Loki. As I explained before, I have a love hate relationship with this scene, but better to remove it. Also there wouldnāt be an introduction with Hela, Thor and Loki, which could be later played differently in the final battle. I didnāt like all the hints and foreshadowing Odin said in the deleted scene. So for his final words, I would prefer him to say āFriggaā.
This is an amazing analysis, @lucianalight, and you make so many good points. I wanted to specifically echo this one:Ā
Moreover, how do you think the test audience reacted to other characters in this scene? Which character invoked a more emotional reaction beside Odin? Obviously itās Loki. And TW didnāt want the audience sympathizing with him.
This is a pattern in the MCU movies; the directors specifically go out of their way to delete scenes in which Loki comes off sympathetic. I canāt think of any other character they do this to.Ā
They depower him by stripping his abilities down to the most basic skills (which, look, fighting close-range with daggers is nothing to scoff at, but while it does display Lokiās fluidity and grace in combat, itās still physical. We never get to see him use his powers except to create duplicates of himself. He doesnāt get the fancy wizard hands or the eyes-changing-colors-with-power, or anything that might hint that heās one of the most powerful characters in the MCU [if not the most powerful] - but, I digress) and, because itās not enough to make him seem magically inferior and physically less-than, they also need to delete the scenes which give the audience an opportunity to see him as sympathetic as well.Ā
Ragnarok is not the only film guilty of this, and itās not the worst (that would be Infinity War, Iāll die on that hill), but it is the most blatant and the one where the director was most vocal about wanting to make sure Thor outshined Loki in every possible way.Ā
So while Taika didnāt come right out and say that this scene made Loki sympathetic in addition to clarifying the narrative so that we donāt just get Thorās POV as the word-of-god, itās heavily implied that Taika not wanting his audience to feelĀ ātoo bummed outā includes not wanting them to feel sorry for Loki. After all, if the audience feels sorry for Loki, then there are more pegs to drag him down from.
As an aside, I donāt believe that the scene makes us feel too sorry for Odin. Yeah, itās sad that he dies in an alley filled with trash, but symbolically, itās a fitting death. Odin built his kingdom of gold on the backs of the worlds he ravaged. He collected a literal trophy room of stolen relics from conquered peoples. He sat upon his throne, both literally and figuratively looking down on everyone beneath him. The most powerful being in the Nine Realms - and, in the end, when it matters, heās no better off than any random homeless person who dies in an alley in New York.Ā
Symbolically speaking, itās a good way to really hammer home the narrative that colonialism is bad and should generally be avoided. This death gives Odin a smidgen of comeuppance. Heās degraded as heās degraded so many others. Heās powerless, as heās stripped power from so many others. Heās had a very long fall off of Sleipnir, and the narrative ought to truly show that.Ā
But, that aside, Taika leaves unspoken the second part of the reason:Ā āAudiences felt bad for Odin and viewed Loki positively, and we couldnāt do that.ā Because this scene does two things: it brings Odin down but it also elevates Loki at the expense of Odin. It elevates and symapthizes with Loki - at least in the canon narrative:Ā
As pointed out, Odin acknowledges and apologizes for how heās wronged Loki. (Canon confirmation: Odin was a bad parent to Loki and therefore Odin played a role in Lokiās undoing.)Ā
Loki tells Thor that he stripped Odin of his memories but not his power. (Canon confirmation: Loki isnāt responsible for how Odin ended up here, nor is he responsible for Odinās death.)Ā
Loki calls for the Bifrost because theyāre out of options, and the scene contextualizes that. (Canon confirmation: Loki isnāt running scared, heās making an effort for himself and Thor to regroup after Hela just destroyed Thorās fucking hammer.)Ā
And so on.Ā
So, yes. I agree that the best scene to be included in the movie would have been a combination of this scene and the scene in Norway, because there were a lot of key character and narrative developments that were lost in this deletion, but the beautiful scenery (and the excellent point of how itās one of the few times the film isnāt literally trash), the more composed Odin, etc. are strong points.Ā
I think that a good writer would have been able to balance the dialogue, the symbolism to support the themes, and the characterization with a scene that was ultimately satisfying for both the narrative and the overall story - but, yknow, here we are.Ā
Iām pretty sure I started at point A and Iām ending up at point L and a half, so take this with a grain of salt.
All of this! Great analysis as always @iamanartichoke !
I find the fact that MCU goes to such length to stop the audience from sympathizing with Loki laughable.
MCU: Loki has only one sentence in this four minute scene and less close-up shots than other characters. That wouldnāt be enough to invoke emotional reaction and sympathy in the audience.
Tom: *steals the scene*
MCU: *sighs* Delete and replace this scene and donāt give him any lines. Give him even less close-up shots and for the love of god, donāt focus that much on his eyes.
Tom: *still steals the scene with the little opportunities he has*
MCU: goddammit! Kill the character in the worst possible way before the movie even starts. I donāt care if it traumatize his fans. They deserve it for not liking who we want them to like.
Tom: *steals the whole movie*
Fans: *screaming* Where is Loki?
MCU: *ugly sobbing* Just give him his own show!
Tom: Ehehehehehe
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*finally proves to be worthy to hold mjolnir* itās fucking science-fiction, but it would be a nice ending į(ą² _ą² į)