I've got some old asks in my inbox about BTS's military service that I haven't gotten around to answering yet, and I was meaning to reply to them individually but since it seems like there will be ~discourse~ brought on by today's K-media articles I'll just quickly preemptively address:
1. It was always a matter of when and how(*), and not whether.
(*As in, will they enlist one by one/in groups or all at the same time.)
2. Special exemption is unrealistic. I've said it before: even if there were ways to avoid conscription, the boys themselves would want to serve on active duty, because -
3. Exemption will act as a debt. The boys will have to be on guard for the rest of their lives to police their own actions and words, because the Korean public can turn their backs in a snap if anything were to happen and having been exempted will come back to bite them. (Not saying I don't trust them to lead exemplary lives; it's just that fame is fickle and no one can guarantee the future.)
+) Related previous posts: link 1, link 2, link 3, link 4
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my favorite part of concerts is when the band plays a song everyone knows so everyone’s singing along all out of tune but then the singer stops singing and they point the mic at the crowd and u just hear everyone in the crowd singing the words to the music and u see the smiles on the band members’ faces bc they know people care about their music and everyone’s just so happy who cares about anything else
I've got some old asks in my inbox about BTS's military service that I haven't gotten around to answering yet, and I was meaning to reply to them individually but since it seems like there will be ~discourse~ brought on by today's K-media articles I'll just quickly preemptively address:
1. It was always a matter of when and how(*), and not whether.
(*As in, will they enlist one by one/in groups or all at the same time.)
2. Special exemption is unrealistic. I've said it before: even if there were ways to avoid conscription, the boys themselves would want to serve on active duty, because -
3. Exemption will act as a debt. The boys will have to be on guard for the rest of their lives to police their own actions and words, because the Korean public can turn their backs in a snap if anything were to happen and having been exempted will come back to bite them. (Not saying I don't trust them to lead exemplary lives; it's just that fame is fickle and no one can guarantee the future.)
+) Related previous posts: link 1, link 2, link 3, link 4
bestie i think jinkook could actually be boyfriends too😳
(link) I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not, so I’m not sure how to respond to this. Are you asking if JK really did almost say 여보/yeobo/ and 남친/namchin/ before he caught himself? Because if you’ve been reading my blog, you’ll know that I generally tend to disregard things that weren’t enunciated clearly as ‘moments’ or ‘proof’ or whatever.
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Hi, thanks for giving us some cultural background on a lot of things. On the topic or Biological Brothers, do the way they refer to each other indicate they might see each other as brothers at all? As in real brothers? Because from my understanding of the terms hyung and dongsaeng, it seems like it’s just a way of indicating close older and younger male I know... sorry if this question is confusing, I tend not to believe this but yeah...
Hello! Do you mean ‘real brothers’ as in biological siblings? Then no, BTS don’t see each other as ‘real brothers’ no matter what they call each other, because they’re just not. They literally can’t be, they don’t share the same parents.
You’re correct that the terms hyung and dongsaeng only ever mean male acquaintances/friends who are old/young enough to be your older/younger brother. Koreans use forms of address for family members extremely liberally. I’m no expert in socio- or ethnolinguistics, but IMO there are two factors that contribute to this.
First, we’ve been (or believed we were lol) a monoethnic society for thousands of years, so in our collective subconscious we're one huge extended family. Since everyone is family with each other, the distinction in forms of address is created only by age difference - i.e. what family member is that person old enough to be in relation to myself?
Secondly, we are a collectivist society that’s extremely family-oriented. Regarding someone in terms of family is our way of bridging the emotional distance with others that are not family. Especially because of the strict age hierarchy, using familial forms of address is an easy way to express emotional closeness with someone who is not your age without violating the rules of that hierarchal system.
This is all to say, BTS calling each other hyung/dongsaeng, especially in contents made to be consumed by the public, has nothing to do with them considering each other as Real Siblings, nor does it mean the relationship between any two given members is strictly platonic/fraternal. Even if the members weren’t as close as they are, they’d still call each other hyung/dongsaeng, and even if they were all the same age and didn’t call each other hyung/dongsaeng they’d still be allowed to say, ‘we’re like real brothers*’ to express how close they are. (*Brothers in Korean is 형제/hyungje/, which literally means older and younger brother.)
Jimin said 애기야 뭐야/aegiya mwoya/, which in this given situation means ‘are you a baby or what?’ or ‘what are you, a baby?’.
I can see why OP thought he said ‘what is it, baby’ though! The difference is in the intonation. If the 'aegiya' was addressing JK as baby (like when he calls him by his name he says ‘Jungguk-ah’) the last syllable would be slightly more drawn out and lowered. The 뭐야/mwoya/ part is a question so the last syllable would be raised.
I figured listening is better than reading, so I took the liberty to record the pronunciation of the two varieties.
This is 애기야 뭐야 as in 'what are you, a baby?'
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And this is 애기야 뭐야 as in 'what is it, baby?'
Hear the difference?
So yes, Jimin said the word baby, but he was calling JK a baby, and not baby as a term of endearment in this situation.
hi , i wanted to ask you about the whispering part in last run episode. many including i n k army jikookers saying they heard jk saying "jiminah saranghae" . i also hear it but is it true. is that the thing he whispered
Hi! Some Korean KMers have been saying JK said 지민아 사랑해 지금도 /jiminah saranghae jigeumdo/, some have been saying it’s a butchered version of 지금 바로 이 순간 /jigeum baro i sungan/ (lyrics from Boyz with Fun, which JK guessed as the answer to the quiz). It does sound like it could be either of those, but I think it’s unlikely that JK randomly chose to confess his love in the middle of a game that he was very keen on winning.
The thing with trying to decipher whispers, mumbles, muffled and background voices is you hear what your brain tells you to hear. Let’s be honest here - does anyone hear anything intelligible apart from ‘ji’ and ‘sa’? If I were to transcribe the sound I heard it would be something like: Jiwa sawowe jido. The part of our brain that knows the words 지민아, 사랑해, and 지금도 and thinks KM are in a relationship fleshes this out to perceive it as ‘Jiminah saranghae jigeumdo’. It doesn’t mean that’s indisputably what Jungkook said.
Hi. First of all thank you for helping us I-Army to learn more about the cultural context of certain things and to bring more clarity to moments that may not be easy to understand for Non-Koreans.
I have a question. I read that K-Army wasn't really happy about one thing Tae did in the recent Bangtan episode. The moment he stepped over Jimin, kinda.
twitter(.)com/minS2v/status/1378653350703423490
Is that true? If so why? For me as I-Army I don't really see any problem with that? He was even careful not to hit Jimin accidentally. Thank you in advance. 💜
(link) Hii sorry I’m so late to answer!
I personally haven’t seen anyone take issue with it (at least outwardly), but I don’t doubt that there were plenty who did. Even I winced when I saw that 😔
I guess it depends not only on the culture but also on how much of a conservative upbringing you’ve had. I’m sure there are K-armys who didn’t see anything wrong with it, and I assume Tae didn’t either - otherwise he wouldn’t have done it.
It’s just not a very pretty picture, you know? I’m sure it’s the same way in other cultures but in Korea a person’s head is considered the most important part of the body, so you handle it with respect. Having your head under someone else’s crotch is insulting (not talking about sexual situations here). It’s associated with submission and humiliation. How would you feel if someone ordered you to crawl between their legs on your hands and knees? That’s the kind of imagery stepping over a sitting person’s head invokes.
Like I said, I don’t believe Taehyung had any kind of malicious intent towards Jimin by doing what he did. We know he’s a carefree guy, and while he is generally polite and well-mannered, from a fellow Korean’s POV sometimes it’s glaringly obvious he wasn’t raised by a very conservative and strict family. Which isn’t even a bad thing! He is who he is because of that, and we - myself included - adore him for it. If Jimin didn’t have a problem with it, who are we to judge, anyway?
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hi! i have a question abt the part of ITS ep 8, minute 18:57, did hobi mistook JM for JK again? the reason why the subtitles didn't catch "Jungkook"? it's nothing big but JM's "Why are you telling me that" is pretty funny lolol
Hi!
Nah, BTS have a record of mistaking Jimin and Jungkook for each other, but this isn’t one of those cases.
Hobi says: 스테이크는 이거 들고 막 이렇게 먹어야 돼, 지민아 (Steak is supposed to be eaten like this, with your hands, Jimin)
(*I know the subtitle says 이거 들고 ‘딱/ttak/', but to my ears it sounds like ‘막/mak/'.)
The part I bolded is what I think might sound similar to 'Jungkook-ah’ to some people. It’s pronounced /deulgo mak/, which should sound nothing like /jeongguk/, but funny how phonetics work, huh? Hobi wasn’t really enunciating so his pronunciation of that particular part was closer to /deugo a/, which can sound similar to a mumbled version of ‘Jungkook-ah’.
A few seconds prior to this the boys were discussing cutting steak. Tae was planning on cutting the meat before serving since they didn’t have table knives. He wanted to make sure the size of the cut pieces was moderate, and in response Jin and Jimin assured him that they could take bites if needed. Hobi was agreeing with them by saying steak was meant to be eaten that way (as a chunk held in hand). That’s why Jimin asked him “Why are you telling me that” - because he was essentially saying the same thing Jimin did (sort of like, you’re preaching to the choir).
Hi! I'm the "Get out of your imagination" anon. lol. Thanks for the clarification.
Oh my goodness that's embarrassing! how can they twist the words of their own idol?Whenever I see someone remind a tkkr about that, they say it's either a mistranslation or that V wants the fan to stop it because JK is his. that doesn't make sense. another proof that they are delusional and don't really care about their idol.
Hey again!
That is... very creative of them? I’m in awe.
Tae literally used the word ‘imagination’ - what is it that the OP fan imagined that he wanted to stop? The fan didn’t say anything about imagining herself in a y/n scenario with JK. The fan’s post was in response to V’s post asking if anyone knew how to fall asleep since he couldn’t.
(trans: I want to sleep, anyone knows how?)
The fan was literally suggesting V to look at photos of ~his beloved JK~ to fall asleep. V more or less told her to quit insinuating he and JK are lovers. End of story.
어머니/eomeoni/ and 어머님/eomeonim/ can both be used to address/refer to someone else’s mother, but only the former is used to call your own mother. 어머님 is definitely the more formal version of the two. It shows a higher level of respect to the person being addressed and also alludes to a greater emotional distance between you and that person.
Using 어머님 doesn’t really say that much about the relationship between you and the person whose mother you’re addressing, though. You can call/refer to your best friend or even your significant other’s mother as 어머님 if you haven’t personally met/spoke to her often. When my best friend of 19 years asks me about my mom she uses 어머님. I use 어머님 when I ask my boyfriend of 5 years after his mother.
어머니, on the other hand, is generally only used when you have an established relationship with the other person’s mother on a personal level, i.e. you’ve met many times, regularly talk to each other etc. Also - and not to suggest anything but - when you become family with the other person’s mother, that is, when she’s your mother-in-law.
Which form did Jimin use? I'm confused. I know it's said in the original ask but I've seen posts saying he said one and others saying he said the other. Did he use eomeoni or eomeonim?
Actually both Vlive and Weverse have Korean subtitles too, which I like to use from time to time because the boys are always talking over each other and sometimes I don’t feel like watching a scene several times to catch everything.
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Hi! First of all, I'd like to thank you for running this blog—I wouldn't know what to do without you. Thank you so much!! For my question, I don't think I've seen any jikookies talking about this? (or I've just been missing out, if that's the case then, sorry!)
Towards the end of this video ( https://youtu.be/kBOpwqoOGXc , 0:50-ish I guess? ) I think I heard JK calling JM as "Jimin-ah" without noticing that they're being shot by a camera, but I don't really want to jump into conclusions... did JK really called him without any honorifics? Their reactions (HS immediately looking at JM) seems genuinely surprised. Thank you for reading, I hope you understand where I'm getting from. 🥺
Hi! Thanks for the lovely message, you’re too kind!
(link) I... can’t really say anyone looks surprised at whatever JK said. Firstly, the video isn’t very high-quality so it’s hard to make out everyone’s facial expressions, but secondly, no-one’s really paying attention to JK’s words when we hear his voice.
This is from the exact moment JK says what is subbed ‘Jimin-ah’, at the 0:52 mark. Suga, Jin and RM are looking in the camera’s direction. Taehyung just went off screen two seconds before this. These four are not paying attention to either JK or Jimin.
Hobi’s walking in from the right towards the center to line up behind the other members. We don’t see JK or Jimin yet but two seconds later JK appears from the left side, and Jimin from the right side, a little bit closer to the front than Hobi. Just as we hear JK’s voice Hobi looks back over his left shoulder. It can seem like as if he’s looking at Jimin who is walking in from the same direction. I personally don’t think Jimin was in Hobi’s line of sight when Hobi turned his head, considering the angle, but it’s hard to say for sure.
As for the actual words... well, don’t hate me for this, but I don’t know. Could be, could be not. I hear a J sound and a M sound but it’s not enough for me to say with absolute certainty that it’s ‘Jimin-ah’.
IF Jungkook really did call Jimin just by his name, it’s something that’s happened frequently enough in the past that I don’t think any of the members would be fazed or shocked by it. These days it’s actually come to a point that the boys have been together as a group for such a long time that all of them will drop the honorifics and ‘-hyung’s with the older members from time to time.
TL;DR - not sure if JK really did say Jimin-ah, but even if he did without knowing he was being filmed (which I also doubt since they were literally there to be filmed), it’s not something that would’ve surprised Hobi or any of the members.
