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i finally hung my jojos :3
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Wave 1 of my version of an Ever After High Generation 2
Do you have a youtube account that you post your art to? It looks a little familiar
I donât đ I had one when I was super young but those videos are buns lmao
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Hmm really want to rant about how people with 2000s themed OCs just perpetuate the same old stereotypes and bring nothing new to the table, but I donât want to have to call out specific people. But itâs crazy how along with âY2Kâ and â90sâ aesthetics they also bring the same old misogyny and racism to make it ârealisticâ.
I think that having misogynistic, racist, and or homophobic characters can be interesting, as no way we live in a monolithic world where everyone has perfect PC internet morals. BUTTT it does get to a point where the people making these âloser, incel, bad peopleâ characters donât have the skill to actually depict it in anyway thatâs interesting or nuanced I guess. And on top of that, these creators donât take kindly to critique, often dismissing it as pure hate. The more popular artist who do things like this, just let their overly parasocial fans dog pile on anyone who even has a modicum of concern.
Itâs hard having this conversation as well, because on the opposite end you have people who cannot consume any media that doesnât align with their personal morals, even if that media is a cirque on said thing. So it kind of comes off like Iâm advocating for more racist characters but thatâs not it đ, I just want people to be a little bit more aware when making âproblematic character #5â.
To add onto this, getting a bit more specific, with old 2000s trends coming to the OC artist community also brings a wave of âIâm not like other girlsâ type of characters. Or otherwise known as the âpick meâ. These new characters are often supposed to subvert the old âpick meâ stereotype. Trying to make actual fem/women characters that are kind of deplorable, queer, unattractive and average. But this most still fail to give said pick me character depth and personality.
People want to subvert these 2000s stereotypes so bad but they end up face planting directly into them. One artist in particular is trying to subvert this trope by having their âpick me\not like other girlsâ character be queer, trans to be specific, making them not like other girls because said character is not a girl. But over time this character has simply just morphed into the classic misogynistic pick me we all know very well. Instead of giving said character depth and nuance they instead pit them against the other women in the story. The narrative then becomes âwell she just hates me because I donât dress like herâ. âI hate her because she dresses hyper feminine!!â
The hyper fem characters are all the âantagonistâ, the MC hates them for one reason or another, just like the 2000s tropes theyâre trying to subvert. They even fall into the classic trap of âmy weird and unattractive character is put down for her looks!â But then said character is just as attractive as the rest of the main cast. Nothing makes said character stand out because the artist has their own personal biases that they cannot get rid of. They need their fem characters to be hour glass built with clothes that cling to their body, even if theyâre baggy. Despite wanting to tell a queer spin on the 2000s pick me, they end up just falling right back into heteronormative stereotypes.
Once again people not having the skill to write these âflawedâ characters without also just perpetuating said flaws. A story thatâs supposed to be a critique on girlhood and misogyny perpetuated by women, just turns into a story thatâs misogynistic against women who donât fit into the narrative.

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Hmm really want to rant about how people with 2000s themed OCs just perpetuate the same old stereotypes and bring nothing new to the table, but I donât want to have to call out specific people. But itâs crazy how along with âY2Kâ and â90sâ aesthetics they also bring the same old misogyny and racism to make it ârealisticâ.
I think that having misogynistic, racist, and or homophobic characters can be interesting, as no way we live in a monolithic world where everyone has perfect PC internet morals. BUTTT it does get to a point where the people making these âloser, incel, bad peopleâ characters donât have the skill to actually depict it in anyway thatâs interesting or nuanced I guess. And on top of that, these creators donât take kindly to critique, often dismissing it as pure hate. The more popular artist who do things like this, just let their overly parasocial fans dog pile on anyone who even has a modicum of concern.
Itâs hard having this conversation as well, because on the opposite end you have people who cannot consume any media that doesnât align with their personal morals, even if that media is a cirque on said thing. So it kind of comes off like Iâm advocating for more racist characters but thatâs not it đ, I just want people to be a little bit more aware when making âproblematic character #5â.
Monster high G3 rant
Watching the TV series and Iâm kind of disappointed.
This will be my second watch of season 1, Iâm rewatching after the current season 2 episodes.
the show feels very flat in my opinion. Theyâve given the characters a lot of cool traits, but theyâre used for like one episode and then never brought up, or they only use one specific trait 24/7. Like Frankie in this generation, they have the ability to electrocute, extend their body parts, and they get visions from the people theyâre made out of. Specifically they get visions from this one recurring doctor/ scientist. The idea is cool, but the vision literally is there to give exposition about something conveniently. Like when they are trying to solve the puzzle of clawdeens mom, Frankieâs vision just conveniently tells them what to do and how to do it.
In that same episode, we see manny taur. A Minotaur character. And right away we are just told that heâs good at puzzle solving, and so is draculaura! Theyâre rivals! But this is the first time Iâve ever seen or heard about draculaura being into puzzles, let alone her one sided rivalry with manny. And as the episode ends, sheâs like âwell you can be the rightful puzzle masterâ but it feels so flat. There has been no build up to this moment.
Another example is lagoona. In her designated episode, she is rooting for torelai to win the fear-leading captain over draculaura (another thing that has no build up as to why itâs important to her) lagoona explains that torelai is holding a secret over her head, and if it gets out she will lose her status as the fiercest monster in school. But this is the first time we have heard this!! In previous episodes thereâs no mention of her being scary or fierce. Or even her super fast swimming skills. Itâs just brought up and glosses over with a âbe who you are, itâs okay to like what you want! We all have secrets đ„čâ but thereâs no real character development.
My last example will be the way draculaura is presented in this series. From what she tells us, she has high standards to live up to as a vampire. She needs to look good for her day so she studies endlessly and is striving for perfection. But she also has a love for witchcraft, which is banned in monster high due to its connections to humans. This can be a cute premise, but they NEVER show draculaura compared to any other vampire to show how sheâs supposed to act. They never give us episodes where she blows off her friendâs shenanigans because it makes her look bad, and they never really show her dad being so overbearing. They donât show us WHY humans are hated. And even though witchcraft is banned, whenever anyone finds out about it theyâre just cool with it? No push back or anything. The only character to challenge draculaura was torelai.
This all may be very nitpicky, but MH is a character driven franchise. Character relationships with each other and their surroundings are very important to me. I want to feel the so called pressure these characters are being put under. It doesnât have to be ultra serious 24/7, but issues get resolved within one episode and then rehashed a few episodes later with no further development. Especially with characters like Cleo and lagoona. They have been benched as side characters in this show, and side characters get much worse treatment.
âThe general episode progression is like this - introduce an issue, introduce a high stakes situation that involves the school, have all or one of the main 3 engage in a sequence of fights against this issue(or rapid solving of said issue through convince) - issue is resolved and lesson is told to viewers-characters reset for the next episode.
I know this is a childrenâs show, but that doesnât mean it needs to have bad writing, not all kids are high off cocomelon. Kids deserve good writing in their media!
My next rant will be about clawdeen and her story this generation
I agree with this criticism. The G3 cartoon seems to be try filling in the "Vaguely Western Isekai fantasy cartoon with overarching plot" space that The Owl House, Amphibia and SVTFOE had on Disney since Nickelodeon hasn't had a serialized fantasy show in ages but the character writing is way too simplistic for it to work and the world building outside of random factoids is non-existent.
Draculaura is honestly the most insuffrable one in the show-i dont get how ppl say shes better here then in g1 cus like girlie cant go a DAY w/o trying to one up someone intentionally or not, oh ghoulia wants to be star student to be an example for zombies?? Nope drac wants to be one too and sheâll cheat for it!! Mannys into puzzles? Great so is drac now!!
Even her supposed âchildhood friendshipâ w heath feels so forced n out of nowhere-since when were those two childhood friends excuse me?? That was never once mentioned in season 1
Thats also not going into how controling she acted over witchcraft-she bashed skelita for wanting to do witchcraft for fun WHEN THATS WHY SHE WANTED TO DO WITCHCRAFT TOO she wantef to do it for fun, it has no deeper meaning for her other then its fun, the episode never even calls out her hypocrisy on it
Yess honestly draculaura is a character that feels like they donât know what they want to do with her. With my second rewatch of season 1, Iâm noticing that the main 3 ghouls (Frankie,clawdeen, and draculaura) all share similar elements. They are all studious, love research, and they excel at a lot of things. It makes the character variation seem so bland.
And draculauras story is so unclear along with clawdeens. Like she only gets âcharacter developmentâ when sheâs trying to suddenly one up someone, when she suddenly has this skill or ability that hasnât been used prior. It can be frustrating because how are you a âknow it allâ one episode, but you know nothing the next.
Like when the boo crew meets Twyla, draculaura says that sheâs known her since they were kids, but she fails to recognize Twyla in her shadow form. She also knew that Twyla didnât like loud noises, but she canât put 2-2 together?
To add to @the-ghost-rat âs point, the fear leading team. All of a sudden Draculaura wants to be a fear leader, and not just ANY she wants to be the captain?!
The fear leading team in MHG1 was used to give Cleo some character development. She was vain and bossy, but through fear leading you learn about why she acts the way she acts, and itâs something important and integral to her character. In MHG1 joining the fear leading team was a big deal, especially to Cleo! But in MHG3 itâs like a past time for draculaura. It feels like they added it in just for the sake of having it.
It could work if they were doing a thing thatâs like - draculaura has to be the best at everything because if sheâs not it looks bad on her father. maybe give her some older siblings that carved a legacy out before she arrived, and she has huge shoes to fill. So she fights hard to be the best at everything but over the course of the show you see itâs wearing her thin. Her siblings had each other, to branch off and be the best at a cooking class, fear leading, puzzle solving. But she only has herself and itâs a lot of pressure and sheâs fumbling a lot because she canât do it all. She took the fearleading mantle away from her friend who actually cares about it, and she has to be content with not being the best at everything and she apologizes for constantly getting in the way of her friendâs success.
You honestly put my thoughts into words, she feels boderline(as much as i hate the word its the best way to explain it) like a âmary sueâ she always acts selfish , controling and mean yet she doesnt get much consiquences outside of someone getting slightly upset at her , her friendship w heath & twyla add to it too-like you said it makes no sense that despite being childhood friends w twyla drac didnt know her shadow form or that shes the one who stole the music box, it just feels like its thrown in to show how great , nice & awsome drac is n how everyone loves her expt for toralei-the litreal mean girl anatagnist
Also yeah the characters not having variety is an issue w majority of the cast :/ their all some flavour of ânice awkard quirky & friendlyâ the lack of accents doesnt help either cus they blend in even more like i just couldnt bring myself to care abt anyone n it feels like not even the crew does cause tons of characters r thrown in the background after they served their porpose in one episode(like spectra , nefera , etc) deuce is supposed to be part of the main three (like the intro shows) yet his just there to hype up clankie n be the token male character
Honestly that critique can apply to clawdeen joining the casketball-since when was girlie into caketball?? Since when did she show she wanted to join it?? She was obv more into fearleading , it comes off as she just joined casketball cus they forgot her doll had her be a casketball player
Honestly thats not a bad idea-they coukd have done that w elizzabat, bring her back but make her draculauras older sister, i mean girlie was straight out the vampire queen & a movie star in g1 it could be an interesting parallel to nefera n cleo in g1(yes they still have that conflict in g3 but its a nothing burger, its resolved in one episode then nefera vanishes, besides w her not being a villain shes just boring)
I agree with everything you just said lmao. The endlessly adorkable characters feel bland and uninteresting, side characters like deuce and spectra get little to nothing. (and imma say Cleo as well. Honestly rewatching the clankie episodes, I realize how little Cleo and Frankie actually hung out. Cleo helps Frankie in like one episode, and then the next episode Frankie is crushing on Cleo. And that would be cool, but Cleoâs character is reduced to literally âIâm just here when the boo crew isnât available~ Iâll help anyone~. But any clankie episodes, Cleo feels wildly out of character, as she needs to become a damsel in distressâs for Frankie to help her. (I can go on a whole clankie rant đ€ŠđŸââïž I thought it was cute but now Iâm like,,,))
And I think have Elissabat would have been a good foil for draculaura, at this point any vampire thatâs not her parents đ. Idk if itâs because of the budget, but the lack of different background characters can feel so jarring at times, especially when itâs time for said BG character to get their special lore drop episode, or when new models of characters get introduced, like mouscedes and teez (the skunk). Wym theyâre all of a sudden apart of the were-pack when we have never seen them until now, and then clawdeen is just like âtell us about yourself!â And they both get exposition dumps. (But the whole point of that episode was that clawdeen didnât know ANYONE, so why only ask mousecedes and teez about themselves and then have some âAH-HAâ moment??)
And the G3 Cleo and nefra conflict is borderline non existent. Unlike in G1, nefra actually adores her sister. And sheâs happy to be around her, and Cleo just comes off as over dramatic because thereâs never any real threat. Thereâs no build up to the great nefra in G3, itâs time for cleo to have her episode, so they throw in some reason for nefra to be there. âOh nefra was the lead in all the school plays, plays that the audience didnât even know MH was hosting? And this year the play us cleopatra? Convenient for the Cleo episode I guess.
And duece is such a strange character because, whatâs his deal? His previous history with the ghouls is non existent except for him dating Cleo, something that never gets brought up. (This also just reminds me of how thereâs like hardly any romance outside of clankie wow). We also just get random lore drops that all of a sudden, he needs to be the best at a lot of things because Gorgons never lose, and they have to over perform due to the discrimination they faced way back whenâŠbut before the episode where duece tells us all that, heâs like a bump on a log. How come he never challenges draculaura? Are gorgons only supposed to be good at sports??
Omg im SO glad you feel that way abt clankie cus i dont get the hype AT ALL đ like where did frankie get the sudden crush on cleo?? Wheres the build up?? The two barley even interacted n now deuce n cleo cant even interact on their own w/o frankie being there , i hate how you cant say anything negative abt clankie or fans will claim ur just âg1 puristist who hates representationâ bcus no-there are legitment reasons to critique the pairing, i appricate represention but i would like to have actual lead up to a couple-same thing w toralei & clawdeens friendship, we never even get an episode where we actually see toralei & clawdeen actually make things up n become friends-toralei just goes from being a racist bully to seeing clawdeen as her friend (ironically-its a simliar issue i have to lumity-theres no buildup to amity devloping feelings for luz)
I feel like random characters appering was an issue all the way back in g1 w characters like twyla but i feel like g1 at least attempted to better contextualize where these characters were, plus they actually lined up w the dolls that were being released, in g3 we already got to see mousecedes , spectra & the werecat twins ages before their dolls came out(mousecdes STILL didnt get her doll) theres such a massive disconnect between the new doll characters being introduced n the characters being shown in the cartoon the two are just spoliering eachother
I seen ppl compare g3 nefera & cleo to hey arnolds helga & olga cus neferas nice when umm no the two are nothing alike-yes olga was nice but helga wasnt, the conflict wasnt solved in one episode it keepet going n showed how it effected helgas personality n mental state, if anything g1 nefera & cleo are more comparable to helga & olga-that aside tho i legit cant stand nefera in this gen which is ironic cus shes nice lol it just took away the whole point of why nefera was mean while clawdeens siblings r nice, it was a good way to show kids the difference between a good sibling relationship and a bad one
Yeah the issue w deuce ties back to what i said abt clankie-he cant even interact w cleo alone w/o frankie being there, he litrealy is just there to hype up clankie his a non-character despite again being part of the main trio like the intro showed, he wasnt all that deep in g1 either but he still got tons of memrable moments n was a pretty clever subversion of a common trope-in that his a jock dating the popular rich girl but he wasnt mean he was actually rlly nice (there also actually is other romances but their forgotten after one or two episodes, like draculaura + clawd, gill + lagoona , a whole ass bear + nefera & finn + spectra, the only one thats as consist as clankie is abbey + heath)
Also tbh i hate how so damn bigotted the school is now-like i get bigotry is invitable even in an accepting school like monster high but jesus everytime we learn anything new abt the school the entire âa school meant for all monsters!â Message falls flat-they didnt accept yetis, they discriminated against gorgons , they banned witchcraft like jesus what ISNT this school bigotted againest? There was some bigotry in the school in g1 but that was from the student and it wasnt so massive that the morals of the school come to question, it makes me hate that bloodgoon is Black now cus it feels rlly uncomfantable to have a Black woman be so bigotted towerds anyone who isnt like her unlike her white counterpart
Yes I just finished the last few episodes of the season, and clankie just had no time to cook. If you take all the clankie clips in isolation, back to back, it seems cute and genuine, but after binge watching this season again, Iâm realizing how little they actually interacted. This goes for all the couples. Couples like heath and Abby need seem like theyâre catering to G1 fans just a tad. Like Iâm expecting these characters to like each other because thatâs how I remember it, so as the viewer I can cut them some slack. But in reality the characters just donât develop enough during the shows long runtime. And this makes clankie stand out more in my opinion as they have no previous history with viewers and old fans, so they really needed to convince us that they actually like each other, but it fell short for me personally. I enjoy clankie fan art and Iâm rooting for them to get a 2 pack eventually, but I do still think they fall very short for me. Like it feels so out of character that Frankie wouldnât tell their friends about their crush on Cleo, or if Cleo caught feelings, we should have gotten an episode of Cleo trying out terrible online dating advice (or seeking out advice from lagoona because I guess sheâs a romantic?). But the two most vocal characters just keep to themselves? Frankie isnât curious about this new feeling they have? Maybe Iâm asking for too much, but Iâm sure they could have pulled it off if the episodes were paced better, that goes for all the couples. Itâs also weird to bring up Cleo and deuce used to date but Cleo herself never acknowledges that. Itâs only ever deuce who brings it up. Also the monster ball episode, Iâm assuming was a way to confirm certain ship dynamics, but I wished we got an episode where Cleo and Frankie actually said they like each other. :\
(Also on another note, they have a club for queer monsters but Frankie never talks about their crush on CleoâŠfeels like a perfect opportunity. Also I would have liked to see some tension when it came to if Cleo is even into nonbinary femmes. Maybe have a conflict of Frankie trying to live up to all of Cleoâs amazing exs (some can be girls) and make them all super cool and unique idk)
Monster high generation 1 was able to get away with random characters because of the movies! The movies helped flesh out new characters. And the webisodes were extra character development. Side characters often would have a few episodes dedicated to them if they were completely new. Or they would flesh out reoccurring background characters like iris and scarah. I think I have a bigger magnifying glass on generation 3, because they are trying to actively have lore and be more character driven. With character conflicts so I expect more out of this series than I would MHG1, which pretty much had teenage girls as monsters. Which I liked to be honest, I think G3 needed more silly typical teenage stuff. One moment these characters are being babied by their parents, and next they are solely responsible for stopping constant terrors going on at the school. Even events like cheerleading and prom feel flat because thereâs no build up. Clankie would be a lot better if they built up throughout the season this big dance that you can take your crush to, and Frankie and all the other ships can interact with that in mind. I wanna see the ghouls shopping, going to the movies, the mall, having fun enjoying themselves. All they seem to do is study or do random activities.
And yes the MH bigotry is very strange, I might do a whole separate post ranting about this generations lore and mythology. Since they donât flesh out the world beyond the school enough, things like âwere-rulerâ feel so bland to me. Like is it really important? And what does it necessarily have to do with MH? The show frames monster high as the only school in the monster world, yet some monsters are banned? For what? Itâs hard to understand the monsters motive, because they hate humans who areâŠuh human i guess, but they also hate random species of monsters? And most of the hate is boiled down to âthis monster was a little destructiveâ but every monster has their freaky monster ways, why would they see it as weird? My biggest gripe is the whole âwe hate humansâ mentality. They give like 0 reason to hate humans, and if witchcraft is banned because itâs a human practice and they got betrayed by a human, why arenât were creatures banned for having human forms? And what all constitutes as magic? Because allot of the monsters in the school have magical powers, or magical things happen in the school, so why is learned magic the devil? Catarina, torelais mom used magic to steal monsterâs abilityâs (just like the old tale), Cleo has some mummy magical abilities, would dueces stone powers not be magic? Iâm just going to guess itâs more of the practice of magic, but draculaura never did anything in my opinion that was âwitchcraftyâ.
And principal blood good is probably one of my least favorite characters in the show. Sheâs a lot goofier than her G1 counterpart and I never take her seriously as a threat. Especially when it comes to her finding out draculaura is a witch. Sheâs easy to trick and her one gag is her head falling off. Sheâs very forgiving and super clumsy. Iâve never seen her take anything seriously. Unlike in G1, she wasnât strict but rules were rules, and since she wasnât around too often, her presence felt like a big deal. But she did care about her students and the school and actively tried to make things right often. The new goofy bloodgood just kills my vibe. I thought her being black was a cool idea, but I didnât think they would make her so traditionalist.
(This is probably for a later post but) the characters getting new ethic backgrounds was something I was excited for, until they started being boiled down to stereotypes.
Clawdeen-mixed kid (literally half human half wolf) canât fit in with her two races (very cliche mixed kid tropes in my opinion)
Draculaura -asian (over bearing parents who need her to live up to specific standards, suddenly very studious(model minority mindset)
Lagoona- Latina ( constant anger issues and very dramatic,(feisty Latina trope)
Torelai - British (evil(this is a joke)
I donât think anything is inherently wrong with adding new ethnic backgrounds to characters, but it feels so flat in MH. I think of shows like Craig of the Creek when I want to think of good representation, for race and sexuality. And gender. The show has nonbinary characters, characters with queer sexualityâs, and tons of characters with different ethic backgrounds. Now they have the benefit of being human, but I think if MH just fleshed out the monster world and made things more of a parody like normal, I think it would be better. Like characters like skeletita feel more genuine because all the skeletons are Mexican skeletons candy characters. So she doesnât feel like the only one. Where lagoona is the only fish with an accent, maybe if she has a few fish friends from where she is from, it would help flesh her out more idk. This topic in very important to me so i wanna clarify that I donât hate the diversity I just want better from this show. If this was made in 2010 sure i would call it revolutionary but i expect more representation out of these new shows that claim to be oh so diverse! Comfirm cleos sexuality, make more nonbinary characters, have more characters be of the same or similar races, why do we only have one of each?idk idk
I love how your opnions abt the show match mine so much cause ive been feeling the excat same way abt clankie, ppl describe them as a âfast slow burnâ but they just arent. They just go from sometimes talking to frankie sundally being head over heels for cleo then back to barley talking w some the slightest bits of being romantic(by that i mean one shot of them sitting at a table) i truly dont blame ppl for wanting cleuce back cause these two had so much chemistry toghter so many ups and downs that clankie just doesnt have, ive been feeling the same way abt g3 habby too-it feels like we went from heath having a big crush on abbey to sundally them datin, it legit does feel(like you said) that their just catering to g1 fans, same w draclawd which is ironic cause i legit felt nothing when i saw heath ask abbey or clawd ask draculaura for prom despite loving them alot in g1-they just lack the fun dynamiacs the two couples had, draclawd being a himbo x bimbo Romeo/Juliet couple while habby having a jessica & roger rabbit dynamic, all they do now is just blush & hold hands thats rlly it - also honestly seeing frankie try to figure out this new feeling would be a really interesting concept, it would get me more on board w the ship-it could be a nice way to help kids who r still questioning its not something i see any show do they useally have the character already know their queer
(Yeah the club feels like a lowky retcon, its mentioned one time then completely vanishes never mentioned again-the way its introduced is so awkard too they just have drac tell us what it is then cut to ghoulia sitting in one if the chairs-it would feel much more natrual if again like you said it was used to further devlop clankie & to help frankie figure out their feelings, trying to live up to her exes is a rlly fun concept too n could work just as well)
Right, its why i say g1 was better at contextualizing the newer characters like why wasnt catrine at monster high? Oh yeah cus she lived in scaris before! Boom there done , now why did teez never show up before? Hell if i know đ€·đœââïž but his here now , also im the excat same way-i see ppl bash g1 for having random episodes that dont connect n are just random when it never set up to be a serialized show-its an episodic one, its like complaining shows like courage dont have one overarching story, g3 however DOES set up to be a serialized show, to have one overarching story yet it never allows conflicts to proced beyond one episode , like antoer user said it wants to be the next amphibia or owl house but its far too simplistic to make those showâs sort of story work-i strongly agree they should have just made it a simplistic episodic show w silly monster teen shenanigan like g1-its where monster high works best, the more serialized overarching story sort of format works much better for ever after high
Oh PLEASE do a post for the lore & mythology if ur up for it cus i have so MUCH to say about it n would love to see ur take on it, i honestly hate the whole were-ruler concept due to it being based on a popular misinformation that wolves have an alpha(im autistic & have a special interest in wolves so thats why it bugs me alot) it doesnt even make sense for most of the wereanimals-why would the werecats care about whos the alpha?? Their house cats they dont have a hierarchy and like you said it has nothing to do w the school, it feels like its just half assed into the show so they can have a big conflict, i honestly in general just cant stand the wereanimals-thats the ONLY monster we ever get in terms of new characters n all of them just act like wolves or even cats(clawd jumping onto the wall when scared), the human vs monster conflict is also done so horribly-the monsters r still framed as being a minority like in g1 okay yet the show constantly depicts the monsters as practicing how to kill humans, lagoona stating she has killed multiple sailors in her life & when clawdeens dad comes everyone in the school tries to eat him, the show litrealy justifies humans discriminating againest monsters yet we r supposed to see them as the marginalized ones? Even tho their the ones attacking humans unprovoked? Its giving me disneys zombies energy , also as someone who is a witch-i rlly cant stand drac or the depiction of witchcraft lol they made it a human practice yet dont AT ALL bother takinh inspiration from actual witchcraft, its all just pretty lights n goofy spells n like i get it its a kids show but come on at least try to take some inspiration, you could make witches a seperete monster like in g1 and nothing would change in the story there was no need to make it a human practice
Also yeah i strongly feel you on bloodgood, she got streaked by the âadorkableâ beam hard ,how i explain her is in g1 she actually felt like a guardian, she was characterized w how a teen might see their high school principal like (being very intimidating n rule following) in g3 however she acts like an adult sitcom character, shes also honestly such a hypercrite-she almost kills or well âexpelsâ toralei after she âfinds outâ shes a witch yet just tells draculaura to not show off when she finds out shes a witch (its also so weird how nightmare barley ever appers anymore since in g1 they two were always seen toghter, nightmare was almost a part of bloodgoons design i mean after all she is the headless horsemans daughter)
Also MAN the relief i felt when u noted how stereotypical the characters are-ppl always get upset at ppl saying this n pulling out excuses like âbut its not a stereotype some people are like this!!â Not getting thats litrealy what a stereotype is-its taking one aspect some ppl from a group has n applying it to the whole group, its not ppl making up things, like how lagoona is overly obbessed w telenovelas even tho shes 16-telenovelas are watched way more by the middle aged women then teen girls , it feels like they just slapped it there cus lagoonas latina n we ALL know latinas love their telenevolas am i right??(sarcasim) same thing w her having anger issues , why does it HAVE to be lagoona?? Why cant anyone else have anger issues?? Manny is litrealy right there he had that in g1
I also agree with everything you said-i would just add that the issue w the new ethnic backgrounds is they took away already prexisting representation, by that im refering to the wolf family-there was no need to make clawdeen biracial now when she was already a diverse character(being monoracial Black) n its even more upsetting when aside from drac all the other white main characters got to keep their race, their all still monoracial white , i remeber reading the show bible where it says nonbinary is normalized in monster high that it has tons of nonbinary characters-yet thats not what we actually see in the show, the only nonbinary character is frankie everyone else stayed cis it feels even more wrong to me since âfrankensteinâ is a common insult cis ppl throw at trans ppl, it feels wrong that in this massive school the only nonbinary character is the frankenstein monster
Yes I used to post on twitter about my MH opinions but they arenât conversational at allđso I am glad that we can talk like this as well! Thank you lmao.
I think ultimately even though I sound like a G1 purist, g1 relationships had better build up for their main couples. Clawd and draculaura have the Romeo and Juliet vibe, so audiences root for them even more! Deuce and Cleo almost break up, and audiences fight for them to stay together. And lagoona and Gill seem to be destined to be apart but she fights for her relationship. And when they did side character coupling, the side characters often got either a few episodes, a BPlot in a movie or the main(rochell and garcon (?). In MHG1 the main ghouls helped audiences root for side character relationships. And most relationships were cute simple pairs (like two zombies together, iris and manny, scarah and invisibilly). G3 fails me because half of these characters have no personality and no drama ever. Lagoona and gill? They just get together and THEN a sudden conflict that comes out of nowhere happens, but it doesnât even strain their relationship. Frankie finally wants to ask Cleo out, but oh no, DUECE asked Frankie first??đđthat scene pissed me off so bad, like I would have rather had Frankie over hear deuce making plans to ask Cleo (something) but they assume itâs a prom proposal and get flustered or something idk đ. I feel like the main issue with the relationships as a whole right now, have to deal with the writers. Because Iâm unfortunately not a fan of G1 clawdeen x torelai at all. I was very disappointed when I found out they were going to be canonically together, and their comic had the least explanation đ. And this isnât to say that every WLW relationship has to have a perfect explanation, but for clawdeen and TORELAI?? I absolutely need one. Torelai was a notorious jerk to not just clawdeen, but all of her friends and family. A lot of people defend them, stating enemies to lovers, but I am not a fan of enemies to lovers, but the enemy is like an actual jerk jerk, for certain media. (If itâs a darker tone of media Iâll indulge I wonât lie, but what comes to mind is catradora đ«„ catra was horrible to adora and it just made me uncomfortable how adora just still repeatedly went back to her idk) I adore, a really good rivals to lovers. Where itâs contained between two characters and they are each others enemies but itâs nothing necessarily too insane. I feel like I would be more lenient if it was G3 clawdeen but..it might end up being a clankie situation.
And yes the stereotypes just feel so off to me. I didnât even get the draculaura one until a friend pointed it out to me. And youâre absolutely right about clawdeen. I myself am a mono-racial black woman, and I was in my feelings about her being mixed. At first I thought it was Afro Latina and just African American Black but my friend told me that sheâs specifically half something. So that definitely sucked a lot for me. Iâm a heavy advocate for including diversity where it wasnât before, but I struggled with why I felt so uncomfortable by clawdeens sudden Latino decent. Itâs not a fully fledged thought yet, but something about making her mixed seems like they donât want to commit to a fully black girl main character. Her mom has straight hair and as a result clawdeen has this off pink wavy hair texture (while her brother in doll form, gets actual curls on his doll..). Despite being Afro Latina now, she doesnât speak spanish, and the culture seems so empty within the household. Like miles morales is Afro Latino, and it comes through in his FULL Spanish sentences, his interactions with his parents and how he traverses the world. Clawdeen and clawd literally bond overâŠtamales?? Add lagoona in there and her and clawd will literally just say Spanish phrases. Itâs a thin line for me. I think itâs a step in a good direction, but I would like for the characters to either reflect their origins a lot more through clothing and cultural traditions (instead of draculaura getting her sweet 1600, make it lagoona getting a quinceañera! (Quince-scare-a idk they can figure it out)
And yes Iâm absolutely going to make a post on the mythology, just gotta organize my ânotesâ because itâs all over the place đ. Things like the talismans, (how did principal bloodgood not know that a human was present at the creation of MH⊠adding the humans just felt like a way for them to official retcon the human hate. âLook humans were a type of monster!ââŠokay pal). I want to talk about the were-creatures because they way they did them in this generation is so frustrating to me as well. Were wolves are inherently half human half wolf creatures, so whatâs so significant about a half human werewolf?? Itâs redundant. Especially if the majority of the powers clawdeen has, comes from the talisman anyways. And I do hate when they do a thing thatâs like âoh this group of people oppresses this other group and thatâs bad!â âWhy are they oppressed?â âOh well they actively kill members of the other groupâŠbut itâs still wrong to not like them!!â I watched an anime called Brand New Animal, and it was a humans versus were-creatures. But the were creatures actively had a gene in their bodyâs that made them ultra violentâŠand they even started killing each otherâŠhow horrible~ and it just made me so uncomfortable. (It felt like an allegory for black on black crime and marginalized races just being savages by nature..) I also just want to inquire about all the other monster types at the school, and the conflict they have. Like why is heaths dad hades? And why is it Disney hades not even actual hades đ. What role does Dracula actually play in the grand scheme of things, and how come no one of authority, who knew clawdeens mom Selena, recognized clawdeen immediately?? Or at least her necklace?? Like bloodgood just thought she was some random human girl. Are you guys not actively looking for the faculty member you lost?? She was freaking were-ruler???
Tbh i personally dont think u sound like a g1 purist at all(granted i also hate that term as its just used to shut valid critiques, esp from poc) i also hated the âOH NO DEUCE IS ASKING FRANKIE INSTEAD!!â It was so forced & cringe to watch, OH NO !! Deuce asked frankie & cleo if they-wanna go the prom as friends OH NO TRULY TERRIBLE SUCH DRAMA!!/sarcasim, for toradeen tho i ironically prefer g1 over g3-yeah toralei was a jerk but that was rlly it-she was just annoying, In g3 she was straight out racist despite the show pretending like she never was-she straight out complined about clawdeen being in MH just cause shes part human-its a big issue i had w their suddon friendship too n her defending clawdeen from her mon cus like?? Girl didnt u litrealy say the same things abt clawdeen?? I do agree however that the comic should have focused on them getting toghter-i was dissapointed to find out it was mainly abt two new characters & not how the two girls got toghter
The stereotyping doesnt stop at race/enthicity-twyla got a very high pitched voice n while yes the actress is autistic & has a voice like that shea confirmed she wanted the actress to make her voice high-she wanted twyla to be âadorableâ n as someone who is autistic-this all just comes off as infantalizing - also your friends completly right, clawdeens bio specificly lists her as being âa biracial humanâ , her mom is most likely to just be a darkskinned mestiza woman and yeah like you said clawdeen being latina doesnt at all effect anything abt her character outside of her brother & mom havin accents, it feels like a last mintue addition(the first time it was ever mentioned was in her music video-not even the movie) you can take it out n nothing would change unlike other afro-latine characters like miles, that tamale scene was also rlly cringy to see-so many Mexicans called out how the two of them were eating it incorrectly(eating it w the shell) they didnt even do the bare minimum research on the food they were representing đ
I would love to see it once its up! I actually had a mutual of mine point out that frankie having a tailsman makes no sense, their the only frankenstein monster-why would there be an acient tool made for a monster that wont come to exist till now?? While i am glad they did go the âclawdeen only changes into a human cus shes part humanâ like the movies did-the âhalf humanâ plot is still a really cringe terrible metaphor for being biracial & can be easily taken out just like witches being humans,like you said werewolves r already half human(w the word itself translating to âman wolfâ) n clawdeen + clawd themselves r litrealy no diffetent then the other werewolves, we already had much better characters in g1 that served as a metaphor for being biracial (jackson & the hybreds) , Beasters & Z-O-M-B-I-E-S also had a similar plot to brand new animal n its so uncomfantable- monster high was the few medias i seen that actually tackled the race metaphors rlly well since the monsters were rlly no different then humans just in apperence, it was so refreshing to see so now having them activly go n kill innocent humans n even try to eat their friends human dad is so depressing
I seen ppl explain that hades is actually satan but they just had to call him hades instead cus of christain parents n that to me is (no offensive) BS-heaths dad was always plained to be hades, the issue is america loves to insert christanity into everything so assume hades must be just like satan when his not
The school not realising clawdeen is selenas daughter reminds me of how hazbin hotel has husk(alasters slave) be an overlord(an important figure in the shows ver of hell) yet no one not even LUCIFERS DAUGHTER realises that he is an overlord
Thank you for not thinking Iâm a G1 purist đ, Iâm a huge fan of the franchise as a whole and there are things I like about G3, but it missed the mark for me 1000%
And yes honestly youâre right about G3 torelai x clawdeen orz, Iâm trying to give the Toradeen fans something lmao. But G3 torelai also just fits into my distaste of enemies to lovers, because like you said she is racist đđđđ and idk how or why clawdeen came to trust her at all omg. I get it, she did one selfless act and now you see the good in her, they had to write her out of being a jerk somehow. But itâs just no fun. Torelai this season is more akin to G1 Cleo, sheâs vain and bossy and wants to be respected. But G1 cleo wasnât mean to EVERYONE, she had her ride or die ghoulia, she loved deuce, and sheâs like normal vain teenage girl mean, not âew you dirty humanâ.
And I didnât even think of the Twyla stereotyping. Critiquing autism and autistic characters is so hard because it is a spectrum, and not one character is going to represent all. But it becomes a little iffy when itâs supposed to be a spectrum but a lot of characters share similar traits/ stereotypes. I feel like the big 3 in autism traits most characters have are -bad eye contact, needs noise canceling head phones, one special interest(typically in something academic like reading or learning the history of a specific animal. Also the special interest will conveniently line up with said characters job). I donât think any of these things are inherently bad or wrong or ableist, but i would like to see something new. I head canon G3 Frankie to be autistic. I know itâs because theyâre new, so they take everything very literal, but thatâs something I see more often with my own friends on the spectrum over them needing noise canceling headphones idk. Also whereâs the food sensory issues or clothing sensory issues?
(It didnât even register to me that they were eating the whole dang tamale omg đđ thatâs so unserious)
And the whole talismans thing in general will definitely get a whole rant because they seem so important yet they are scattered across all of monster high. Why wasnât anyone looking for Selena wolf when she disappeared? No one thought to gather the tailsmen? How new are some of these tailsmen and where do they come from? Like if gorgons werenât allowed at MH until dueces mom, how is there a talisman? What about a zombie tailsmen? If they hate humans, shouldnât Frankie feel some kind of way because theyâre the child of victor frankenstine? A human??? Lagoonas thirst for human blood is just not fun lmao. It seems like the only way they could think to make her âscaryâ. And on clawdeens parentsâŠis the mom not going to get any flack for marrying a human?? I think catarina hated it but like no one else even cared đđ
Hazbin hotel is a whole different rant đ. Youâre telling me, the DAUGHTER of LUICIFER, is offering a free ticket to heaven, and no one cares?? People arenât lining up at her door begging to be let in??đ no one could tell vagatha is an angel? Like you said, no one knew husk was an overlord? No one cared that allistor was back in town?? The angels donât care when Adam cusses and swears, but when Charlie does it, itâs disrespectfulâŠ? So angel dust confides in husk about hating his job after being SAed and husks response is âeh weâre all losers get over itâ. Why is Sir Snake Guy in heavenâŠ? Like it makes no sense to međđ that show is a completely different bag of worms. Once again interesting premise but terrible execution
Tbh i mainly only like the g3 dolls-the medias are just an utter mess(ESPICALLY the movies)
Thats very fair lmao i made a post abt it but i never got the whole âtoradeen only makes sense in g3!! Make it canon there!!â Some fans have cus like-girlie are you sure we r talking abt the same g3 toralei?? Its the one w the awful british accent who wanted clawdeen removed from monster high for being half human & also tried to ruin draculaura, clawdeens best friend, life by exposing her as a witch - your also right, clawdeen sundally trusting toralei cause she did one selfless act makes no sense, the episodes petroyal of toralei was so ooc n made no sense as a whole-they did a whole 180 and decided toralei was actually never racist(even tho she was) it was just her mom, then they had her n clawdeen act like besties n have toralei call her a friend even tho just an episode ago toralei tried to ruin her life like hello?? Since when were they friends?? - also again your right, while i do think g1 cleos redeemption was somewhat rushed too cleo was never an actual threat, she was never bigotted, she was just vain & bossy but you can see that she wasnt all that bad, unlike g3 toralei
Yeah critiquing autism stereotypes is p diffcult like you said-i myself was on the fence abt critiquing twylas voice cus of the actress voice being already high pitched, but after again seeing shea say she wanted twyla to be âadorableâ(n mind you twas the ONLY character she described lime that, not even draculaura even tho shes supposed to be the cutesy one) n heard that âautistic women r more likely to have high pitched voicesâ (which is based on a wrong belief that theres female autism & male autism) that went away real fast lol it feels uncomfantable to look at g3 twyla now w that context in mind, especially when her fashion is very cery child leaning n her theme switched from bugs to mainly bunnies even tho it wasnt in g1 - i also headcanon frankie as autistic in honestly all gens, i remeber shea commented on the compleint abt ghoulia being able to talk now saying she acknowladges alot of autistic ppl looked up to her but she âwanted to chellenge zombie stereotypesâ that pissed me off SO SO much my other autistic friends who like mh also hated that statment she made
While she raâs represention of autism was horrible too(w how the allistic characters treated entrapta) i do think entrapta herself is still one of the beat autistic characters i seen-shes not just a shy quiet reserved person like every other autistic person shes rlly loud n blunt as well as struggles w personal boundries & takes things too litreal , she even has food sensories (only eating tiny food) i really wish we got more autistic characters like her (shes even an adult woc-which we barley barley ever see)
(Yeah its THE first thing thing i seen latine fans post abt-imagine patting yourself on the back for making a character latine only to be bashed by latines for not doing the most basic research LMAO)
See a zombie tailsman would make much much more sense then a fucking frankenstein tailsman-those actually existed for ages unlike frankie, hell frankie could still use it even if it was a zombie tailsman cus they are just a zombie(even tho the show pretends like their not even an undead monster) the show did confirm that frankie was built by monsters not humans which is even WORSE-esp when one of the parents is a zombie, why in the world would a zombie go around n take other corpseâs parts?? His violating other zombies automany n stealing their parts why isnt he shunned for that?? Same w the mom even tho shes a troll shes violating other monsterâs autonomy-i seen ppl compare g3 lagoona to GIR from invader zim n thats honestly an insult to GIR he was actually funny & cute, lagoonas just annoying n a try hard
Dude i swear we r just straight out twinning in regards to our opnions LMAO ive been making some posts ranting abt how terrible hazbin hotel is n its so ironic to me how it and monster high g3 share so much in common even tho g3 is more praised-like w selena wolf & her husband, helluva boss did the same thing w beelzebub dating a hellhound yet no one cares even tho hellhounds are on the lowest tier , i do think hazbins worse then mh g3 but man its funny to me how both so much in common in regards to issues lol
I enjoy the G3 dolls as well! The fashion leaves much to be desired but the physical dolls are cute sometimes. đAnd yes I loved entrapta! I need more characters like her! The cutesy autism rep is getting out of hand đ.
The relationship between the zombies and Frankie was something so brief in G1 I believe. It was stated they were cousins, and Frankie is made out of dead humans, not necessarily undead humans. And sheâs reanimated just like how zombies are~ I believe Frankie and ghoulia are cousins in G1 (Iâm sure itâs kind of a joke). But the zombies of G3 are pushed to the side and Frankie is definitely an Astro boy before they are a franken monster đđ thereâs no connection at all. And lagoona is no where near Gir levels. thatâs absurd. Like you said gir was cute! And sure lagoona is cute, but her personality is plain. Sheâs a chomper..okayyyâŠoh she likes bloodâŠoh kayy. Sheâs supposed to be scary and dangerous but they literally never treat her like she is đ
And I think hazbin has similar writing issues as monster high G3, because both are rushing and they rely on viewers knowing outside information to understand their story. They do very little world building and tons of verbal exposition. How do we know that draculaura and Charlie have daddy issues? Because they literally just say it. They never show it đđ(Charlie is the worst because wym you have father issues but your father is literally your number 1 fanâŠhuh? Idk i was expecting something else). They both are trying to have a robust fantasy setting but they do nooo work to flesh out that setting. And the locations are super limited. Iâll give G3 some grace since itâs 3D, but no grace for hazbin đ
I feel like the fashion is somewhat improving, monster fest is legitmently BREATHTAKING and ngl core refresh frankieâs outfit feels legitmently like something out of g1, it has that same scene kid inspo but yeah the physical dolls themselves r the best part i still am in awe they actually made catty be fat instead of just thin & curvy â and for real!! Entrapta felt so much more relatable to me then majority of the cutesy shy autistic characters , she even got into a relationship w hordak who has chronic illness, i dont see much shows explore couples where both ppl r disabled(granted hordak is also a villain but still)
Even if it is a joke-frankie & ghoulia being cousions is a cute ifea, i like when media give frankenstein monsters random family members , also astro boy is such an accraute description of g3 frankie i honestly cant stand how much superpowers they gave them-the whole âtheir brain is made of the worlds greatestâ in specific makes me so uncomfantable - honestly if lagoona was chatacterized as being like a scene girl then i would better get the GIR comparrison & find her cute, it wont feel so racist n be a nice way to reference the fact g1 was made cus sanders was inspired by 2000s alt girls
LITREALYY U GET IT!! Both shows rushed their biggest arc in just one season when it should have continued longer to better devlop it (the tailsman & the angel battle) and now their just throwing darts at a wall to figure out what to do next , alot of the relationships r also extremly random & just forced in , like alaster & charlie being father & daughter like or draculaura & heath being apprantly childhood best friends - even their already plained relationships like chaggie & clankie feel so random n not all that devloped or interesting
Yes the new doll body types are so interesting!! (I do wish sometimes the community changed the way they speak about the characters sizes, because I remember them praising draculaura for being a 'fat' girl when she definitely isn't đ. I think she should have a body more similar to catty before being called fat idk idk. (Also also I want more male body types!!!! Give me short heath or something!!!"
And scene girl lagoona would be peak!! Scene anyone! I do think the fashion has gotten leagues better, and I hope they start fleshing out everyone's subcultures more!! Everyone feels a little samey if not for a bat pattern or a cat pattern idk. Like I want to see clothes that are like "yes draculaura would wear this, not JUST because it's pink but because this is her style!"(I also want them to bring back more simple patterns like the argyle or zipper patterns or simple heart patterns)
( and yesh I could go on for a good hour about Frankie's brain đ omg)
And yes the rushed arc into one season sucks so bad! To an extent I understand, you never know if your show is going to get cancelled (so why not make it slice of life instead of a Hogwarts battle every episode. Have your underlying story but keep things fun and light hearted. Save your big story elements for a potential movie or something)
Yeah i remeber that đ it legitmently sent me hearing things ppl praise mattel for making draculaura âfatâ when the only part abt her thats bigger is her hips + thighs - also honestly thats an issue w mattel as a whole , they make unique female body sculpts but then w the guys (for ken dolls) theres just âsuperman , ken, twinkâ w monster high its even worse cus all the guys r just slightly musclar avarage height n thats it and as someone whos a fat trans guy its pretty frustrating
Frankies core refresh was the closest to a full on scene outfit but their not even supposed to be scene-their fashion board is listed as âDIY punkâ yet their monster fest doll is anything but that(its honestly why their my least favorite-choachella isnt the only music fest) the only draculaura outfits in g3 i can confidently say i can see g1 drac wearing is core refresh & ironically goreganizer, i remeber the show had draculaura claim her aesthetic is âpastel gothâ n ngl it made me cringe so much đ her being pink does not make her pastel goth shes not even pastel pink shes hot pink, rochelle , river & catrine in g1 are far far better examples of pastel goth , i think thats the issue as a whole theres not as much though research on the subcultures the characters were originally inspired by unlike g1 they just dress the characters like barbies-the only one i feel like the team put in more effort into in terms of fashion is venus, her fashion gives off the same vibes as her g1 self did(i also miss those simple patterns, i liked how much zipper pattern g1 clawdeen had it added to her punk-y2k inspo)
(I remeber oakwyrm disscuissed it on their video abt the second mh movie pointing out how it mimicks the real practice of disrespecting the dead by stealing their brains like elbert einstain n it made me hate that aspect of Frankie even more)
Exctaly!! Like i know hazbin hasnt released its second season yet but w mh s2 the whole âneeding a wererulerâ plot feels like its just there cus the crew released they have no overarching story for s2 cus they rushed the first big one
The body diversity of G3 is such an interesting topic for me, because I love the new body shapes! I think they did a good job trying to add more body variation especially when MH dolls are often used for customization and repaints! But I hate how people have watered down/ flattened language so now characters like draculaura are seen as fat when like none of the other media depicts her like that. Sheâs short and squat, and thatâs fine! I realized that a lot of people compare G3 to G1s body types, in doing so of course these new dolls look thicker and plumper, but when you compare the dolls to each other thereâs little to no difference sometimes. Like catty is supposed to be fat fat, and compared to G1 I can see it, but in reality compared to draculaura sheâs just tall and thick, she does have a bigger waist/thighs but it just resembles slim thick pop stars to me đ. Iâm really excited to see what the future holds for for these dolls though, and I am being a little nitpicky but, itâs 2024 where more bodies are being celebrated, I hope they show off a good range in the upcoming years. like I really want a muscular girl, a flat chested girl mold, a short and squat dude mold, a tall and lanky male mold. Iâm trying to see it all! (And I know they can do it đ€) I want characters with molded on side rolls, I need it.
and yes their fashion this gen just feel very impersonal to me. This is only a Cleo outfit because it has mummy wraps/ Egyptian iconography. This is only a draculaura outfit because itâs pink and black and has bat patterns all over. I do think theyâre getting better over time, but idk if itâs only been one year since your dolls came out and you already need to do a core refreshâŠ.đ§đŸââïž Iâm sorry but theyâre not cutting it in the fashion department. But the dolls have so much potentialđ© I donât want to see the brand die again, but I honestly donât see a future where this generation is seen as iconic because like you said, thereâs no real thought or research being put into some of these doll (look at ghoulia and dare I say clawdeen). and it sucks because they have a lot of good things going on, but as time goes on they really are throwing a lot of it to the wayside. Like love Frankie but are there any other nonbinary characters? Is Frankie the only one because they literally are 100 people combined, are we going to get any other queer relationships? Are they going to ever release any other media that can be made into dolls? Does the tv show even matter anymore since it literally matches nothing đ§đŸââïžidk it all just seem too chaotic and messy for it to stand without the first generation.
I do owe catty & she does have a bigger stomach & rolls-shes just on the chubby side , tho yeah the language has been flattened alot draculaura & abbey r rlly no different then other slim thick dolls like omg lol & rainbow high yet no one goes out there n calls RH & OMG dolls fat so why r abbey & draculaura any different?? I seen ppl even call the curvy barbie body fat n its insaine đ
In defense-im p sure schools out was also a sort of core refresh-granted i dont remeber when it came out, i just know its a sort of core refresh only the looks just appered a few times in media while w g3 its meant to be a replacement , but yeah i seen ppl say mattel is likely still trying to make g3 have similar elements to g2 (making sure its soft & cute) but it just isnt working-g2 failed bcus it tried to cater to everyone n play it safe instead of beibg unique like g1 , the g3 dolls definitely have potential but they gotta let go of this barbie/mh g2 aesthetic n embrace its alternative roots they showed they can do that w again core refresh
Ironically i remeber reading the show bible & it says there r infact other nonbinary characters yet-every single new character we get is cis, it rlly comes off like thry only made frankie nonbinary cus their a frankenstein monster whivh uhh isnt at all a good reason since 1. What your born as isnt automtically your gender and 2. âFrankensteinâ is a real life derogatory term to trans ppl(i had it used on me by my own mom) so having ur only nonbinary/trans main character be a frankenstein monster is very đŹ i also love frankie alot but i wish the team would actually deliver on their promise & made other characters nonbinary, for queer relationships theres a possiblity toralei & clawdeen will become a couple & apprantly howleen & venus r gonna be a couple too
I highly doubt the other media will become dolls like we saw w the live action movies & honestly u may as well ignore the cartoon cus even the characteriztion is inconsistent, in the cartoon clawdeen is a nerd who needs glasses but in the music videos shes a fashionista who doesnt need glasses, all you rlly need to watch is just the music videos-thats it
Yay Iâm actually happy to hear that catty does have rolls đ„č I donât have her doll but she is definitely up there for some that I want! And yes no one says rainbow high is a plus sized doll brand, an Iâm not saying they are but theyâre thicker than the thickest MHG3 doll đđ. I just wish people would call things as they are, draculaura is pear shaped, I think catty has a more hour glass? I know her upper body is bigger than Dracs(I might be wrong). But I think that would be way more helpful over just saying anything and everything is plus size and should represent all plus size people, but maybe thatâs a change the world as a whole has to do and not just one doll Brand đ
And yeah i personally wouldnât consider schools out a core refresh type of line personally. I thought about it but I think itâs the different themes of the ârebrandâ. Like you said for G3 it seems to just be a design upgrade/ replacement. I often see people wishing for other characters like Twyla or ghoulia to get a refresh doll. Where schools out / new scaremester seemed like new outfits yes but also new characters and their core outfits as well! And Mattel is definitely pulling from its G2 rejects in my opinion. Art style wise and doll release wise idk, itâs just very lack luster. Theyâve definitely made a lot of dolls over the past year or two, but thereâs hardly any new characters that have been introduced, I feel like the âskulltimate secretâ theme they are going for just isnât landing well in my opinion. Iâm also a bit of an art style prude I guess, because I cannot stand the new mixed assets they use, it literally boils my blood sometimes when I see the old box art being used to promote new things. Hell just the art this generation is just very plain and thereâs no fun art splashes, just highly rendered full bodies/them sitting idk đ.
And yeah I do also wish that we got to see Frankie explore their gender more? I know everyone experiences things differently, but I would have liked to see Frankieâs journey to discovering that theyâre nonbinary instead of just being born out the womb with it. And I donât want it to be like in a sad or ârealisticâ way, I want it to be fun and campy and really corny. They need to introduce the other nonbinary characters STATđ€ we already talked about torelai and clawdeen đđ but Im an avid clawvenus Stan, I need it to happen. Howleen and Venus are cool too I guesssss orz. I honestly wish G3 went a bit bolder with their relationship pairs and mixed a bunch of the cast up like Cleo and Frankie. Because as we said before all the ships are so dry, like letâs add some spice to it or something. Give us draculaura x heath Or abbey idk đ like letâs get funky.
And yeah the music videos are the only media that actually correlate to the dolls đ I saw the catty one and đ catty x Venus? Iâm coping but we will see lmao
Monster high G3 rant
Watching the TV series and Iâm kind of disappointed.
This will be my second watch of season 1, Iâm rewatching after the current season 2 episodes.
the show feels very flat in my opinion. Theyâve given the characters a lot of cool traits, but theyâre used for like one episode and then never brought up, or they only use one specific trait 24/7. Like Frankie in this generation, they have the ability to electrocute, extend their body parts, and they get visions from the people theyâre made out of. Specifically they get visions from this one recurring doctor/ scientist. The idea is cool, but the vision literally is there to give exposition about something conveniently. Like when they are trying to solve the puzzle of clawdeens mom, Frankieâs vision just conveniently tells them what to do and how to do it.
In that same episode, we see manny taur. A Minotaur character. And right away we are just told that heâs good at puzzle solving, and so is draculaura! Theyâre rivals! But this is the first time Iâve ever seen or heard about draculaura being into puzzles, let alone her one sided rivalry with manny. And as the episode ends, sheâs like âwell you can be the rightful puzzle masterâ but it feels so flat. There has been no build up to this moment.
Another example is lagoona. In her designated episode, she is rooting for torelai to win the fear-leading captain over draculaura (another thing that has no build up as to why itâs important to her) lagoona explains that torelai is holding a secret over her head, and if it gets out she will lose her status as the fiercest monster in school. But this is the first time we have heard this!! In previous episodes thereâs no mention of her being scary or fierce. Or even her super fast swimming skills. Itâs just brought up and glosses over with a âbe who you are, itâs okay to like what you want! We all have secrets đ„čâ but thereâs no real character development.
My last example will be the way draculaura is presented in this series. From what she tells us, she has high standards to live up to as a vampire. She needs to look good for her day so she studies endlessly and is striving for perfection. But she also has a love for witchcraft, which is banned in monster high due to its connections to humans. This can be a cute premise, but they NEVER show draculaura compared to any other vampire to show how sheâs supposed to act. They never give us episodes where she blows off her friendâs shenanigans because it makes her look bad, and they never really show her dad being so overbearing. They donât show us WHY humans are hated. And even though witchcraft is banned, whenever anyone finds out about it theyâre just cool with it? No push back or anything. The only character to challenge draculaura was torelai.
This all may be very nitpicky, but MH is a character driven franchise. Character relationships with each other and their surroundings are very important to me. I want to feel the so called pressure these characters are being put under. It doesnât have to be ultra serious 24/7, but issues get resolved within one episode and then rehashed a few episodes later with no further development. Especially with characters like Cleo and lagoona. They have been benched as side characters in this show, and side characters get much worse treatment.
âThe general episode progression is like this - introduce an issue, introduce a high stakes situation that involves the school, have all or one of the main 3 engage in a sequence of fights against this issue(or rapid solving of said issue through convince) - issue is resolved and lesson is told to viewers-characters reset for the next episode.
I know this is a childrenâs show, but that doesnât mean it needs to have bad writing, not all kids are high off cocomelon. Kids deserve good writing in their media!
My next rant will be about clawdeen and her story this generation
I agree with this criticism. The G3 cartoon seems to be try filling in the "Vaguely Western Isekai fantasy cartoon with overarching plot" space that The Owl House, Amphibia and SVTFOE had on Disney since Nickelodeon hasn't had a serialized fantasy show in ages but the character writing is way too simplistic for it to work and the world building outside of random factoids is non-existent.
Draculaura is honestly the most insuffrable one in the show-i dont get how ppl say shes better here then in g1 cus like girlie cant go a DAY w/o trying to one up someone intentionally or not, oh ghoulia wants to be star student to be an example for zombies?? Nope drac wants to be one too and sheâll cheat for it!! Mannys into puzzles? Great so is drac now!!
Even her supposed âchildhood friendshipâ w heath feels so forced n out of nowhere-since when were those two childhood friends excuse me?? That was never once mentioned in season 1
Thats also not going into how controling she acted over witchcraft-she bashed skelita for wanting to do witchcraft for fun WHEN THATS WHY SHE WANTED TO DO WITCHCRAFT TOO she wantef to do it for fun, it has no deeper meaning for her other then its fun, the episode never even calls out her hypocrisy on it
Yess honestly draculaura is a character that feels like they donât know what they want to do with her. With my second rewatch of season 1, Iâm noticing that the main 3 ghouls (Frankie,clawdeen, and draculaura) all share similar elements. They are all studious, love research, and they excel at a lot of things. It makes the character variation seem so bland.
And draculauras story is so unclear along with clawdeens. Like she only gets âcharacter developmentâ when sheâs trying to suddenly one up someone, when she suddenly has this skill or ability that hasnât been used prior. It can be frustrating because how are you a âknow it allâ one episode, but you know nothing the next.
Like when the boo crew meets Twyla, draculaura says that sheâs known her since they were kids, but she fails to recognize Twyla in her shadow form. She also knew that Twyla didnât like loud noises, but she canât put 2-2 together?
To add to @the-ghost-rat âs point, the fear leading team. All of a sudden Draculaura wants to be a fear leader, and not just ANY she wants to be the captain?!
The fear leading team in MHG1 was used to give Cleo some character development. She was vain and bossy, but through fear leading you learn about why she acts the way she acts, and itâs something important and integral to her character. In MHG1 joining the fear leading team was a big deal, especially to Cleo! But in MHG3 itâs like a past time for draculaura. It feels like they added it in just for the sake of having it.
It could work if they were doing a thing thatâs like - draculaura has to be the best at everything because if sheâs not it looks bad on her father. maybe give her some older siblings that carved a legacy out before she arrived, and she has huge shoes to fill. So she fights hard to be the best at everything but over the course of the show you see itâs wearing her thin. Her siblings had each other, to branch off and be the best at a cooking class, fear leading, puzzle solving. But she only has herself and itâs a lot of pressure and sheâs fumbling a lot because she canât do it all. She took the fearleading mantle away from her friend who actually cares about it, and she has to be content with not being the best at everything and she apologizes for constantly getting in the way of her friendâs success.
You honestly put my thoughts into words, she feels boderline(as much as i hate the word its the best way to explain it) like a âmary sueâ she always acts selfish , controling and mean yet she doesnt get much consiquences outside of someone getting slightly upset at her , her friendship w heath & twyla add to it too-like you said it makes no sense that despite being childhood friends w twyla drac didnt know her shadow form or that shes the one who stole the music box, it just feels like its thrown in to show how great , nice & awsome drac is n how everyone loves her expt for toralei-the litreal mean girl anatagnist
Also yeah the characters not having variety is an issue w majority of the cast :/ their all some flavour of ânice awkard quirky & friendlyâ the lack of accents doesnt help either cus they blend in even more like i just couldnt bring myself to care abt anyone n it feels like not even the crew does cause tons of characters r thrown in the background after they served their porpose in one episode(like spectra , nefera , etc) deuce is supposed to be part of the main three (like the intro shows) yet his just there to hype up clankie n be the token male character
Honestly that critique can apply to clawdeen joining the casketball-since when was girlie into caketball?? Since when did she show she wanted to join it?? She was obv more into fearleading , it comes off as she just joined casketball cus they forgot her doll had her be a casketball player
Honestly thats not a bad idea-they coukd have done that w elizzabat, bring her back but make her draculauras older sister, i mean girlie was straight out the vampire queen & a movie star in g1 it could be an interesting parallel to nefera n cleo in g1(yes they still have that conflict in g3 but its a nothing burger, its resolved in one episode then nefera vanishes, besides w her not being a villain shes just boring)
I agree with everything you just said lmao. The endlessly adorkable characters feel bland and uninteresting, side characters like deuce and spectra get little to nothing. (and imma say Cleo as well. Honestly rewatching the clankie episodes, I realize how little Cleo and Frankie actually hung out. Cleo helps Frankie in like one episode, and then the next episode Frankie is crushing on Cleo. And that would be cool, but Cleoâs character is reduced to literally âIâm just here when the boo crew isnât available~ Iâll help anyone~. But any clankie episodes, Cleo feels wildly out of character, as she needs to become a damsel in distressâs for Frankie to help her. (I can go on a whole clankie rant đ€ŠđŸââïž I thought it was cute but now Iâm like,,,))
And I think have Elissabat would have been a good foil for draculaura, at this point any vampire thatâs not her parents đ. Idk if itâs because of the budget, but the lack of different background characters can feel so jarring at times, especially when itâs time for said BG character to get their special lore drop episode, or when new models of characters get introduced, like mouscedes and teez (the skunk). Wym theyâre all of a sudden apart of the were-pack when we have never seen them until now, and then clawdeen is just like âtell us about yourself!â And they both get exposition dumps. (But the whole point of that episode was that clawdeen didnât know ANYONE, so why only ask mousecedes and teez about themselves and then have some âAH-HAâ moment??)
And the G3 Cleo and nefra conflict is borderline non existent. Unlike in G1, nefra actually adores her sister. And sheâs happy to be around her, and Cleo just comes off as over dramatic because thereâs never any real threat. Thereâs no build up to the great nefra in G3, itâs time for cleo to have her episode, so they throw in some reason for nefra to be there. âOh nefra was the lead in all the school plays, plays that the audience didnât even know MH was hosting? And this year the play us cleopatra? Convenient for the Cleo episode I guess.
And duece is such a strange character because, whatâs his deal? His previous history with the ghouls is non existent except for him dating Cleo, something that never gets brought up. (This also just reminds me of how thereâs like hardly any romance outside of clankie wow). We also just get random lore drops that all of a sudden, he needs to be the best at a lot of things because Gorgons never lose, and they have to over perform due to the discrimination they faced way back whenâŠbut before the episode where duece tells us all that, heâs like a bump on a log. How come he never challenges draculaura? Are gorgons only supposed to be good at sports??
Omg im SO glad you feel that way abt clankie cus i dont get the hype AT ALL đ like where did frankie get the sudden crush on cleo?? Wheres the build up?? The two barley even interacted n now deuce n cleo cant even interact on their own w/o frankie being there , i hate how you cant say anything negative abt clankie or fans will claim ur just âg1 puristist who hates representationâ bcus no-there are legitment reasons to critique the pairing, i appricate represention but i would like to have actual lead up to a couple-same thing w toralei & clawdeens friendship, we never even get an episode where we actually see toralei & clawdeen actually make things up n become friends-toralei just goes from being a racist bully to seeing clawdeen as her friend (ironically-its a simliar issue i have to lumity-theres no buildup to amity devloping feelings for luz)
I feel like random characters appering was an issue all the way back in g1 w characters like twyla but i feel like g1 at least attempted to better contextualize where these characters were, plus they actually lined up w the dolls that were being released, in g3 we already got to see mousecedes , spectra & the werecat twins ages before their dolls came out(mousecdes STILL didnt get her doll) theres such a massive disconnect between the new doll characters being introduced n the characters being shown in the cartoon the two are just spoliering eachother
I seen ppl compare g3 nefera & cleo to hey arnolds helga & olga cus neferas nice when umm no the two are nothing alike-yes olga was nice but helga wasnt, the conflict wasnt solved in one episode it keepet going n showed how it effected helgas personality n mental state, if anything g1 nefera & cleo are more comparable to helga & olga-that aside tho i legit cant stand nefera in this gen which is ironic cus shes nice lol it just took away the whole point of why nefera was mean while clawdeens siblings r nice, it was a good way to show kids the difference between a good sibling relationship and a bad one
Yeah the issue w deuce ties back to what i said abt clankie-he cant even interact w cleo alone w/o frankie being there, he litrealy is just there to hype up clankie his a non-character despite again being part of the main trio like the intro showed, he wasnt all that deep in g1 either but he still got tons of memrable moments n was a pretty clever subversion of a common trope-in that his a jock dating the popular rich girl but he wasnt mean he was actually rlly nice (there also actually is other romances but their forgotten after one or two episodes, like draculaura + clawd, gill + lagoona , a whole ass bear + nefera & finn + spectra, the only one thats as consist as clankie is abbey + heath)
Also tbh i hate how so damn bigotted the school is now-like i get bigotry is invitable even in an accepting school like monster high but jesus everytime we learn anything new abt the school the entire âa school meant for all monsters!â Message falls flat-they didnt accept yetis, they discriminated against gorgons , they banned witchcraft like jesus what ISNT this school bigotted againest? There was some bigotry in the school in g1 but that was from the student and it wasnt so massive that the morals of the school come to question, it makes me hate that bloodgoon is Black now cus it feels rlly uncomfantable to have a Black woman be so bigotted towerds anyone who isnt like her unlike her white counterpart
Yes I just finished the last few episodes of the season, and clankie just had no time to cook. If you take all the clankie clips in isolation, back to back, it seems cute and genuine, but after binge watching this season again, Iâm realizing how little they actually interacted. This goes for all the couples. Couples like heath and Abby need seem like theyâre catering to G1 fans just a tad. Like Iâm expecting these characters to like each other because thatâs how I remember it, so as the viewer I can cut them some slack. But in reality the characters just donât develop enough during the shows long runtime. And this makes clankie stand out more in my opinion as they have no previous history with viewers and old fans, so they really needed to convince us that they actually like each other, but it fell short for me personally. I enjoy clankie fan art and Iâm rooting for them to get a 2 pack eventually, but I do still think they fall very short for me. Like it feels so out of character that Frankie wouldnât tell their friends about their crush on Cleo, or if Cleo caught feelings, we should have gotten an episode of Cleo trying out terrible online dating advice (or seeking out advice from lagoona because I guess sheâs a romantic?). But the two most vocal characters just keep to themselves? Frankie isnât curious about this new feeling they have? Maybe Iâm asking for too much, but Iâm sure they could have pulled it off if the episodes were paced better, that goes for all the couples. Itâs also weird to bring up Cleo and deuce used to date but Cleo herself never acknowledges that. Itâs only ever deuce who brings it up. Also the monster ball episode, Iâm assuming was a way to confirm certain ship dynamics, but I wished we got an episode where Cleo and Frankie actually said they like each other. :\
(Also on another note, they have a club for queer monsters but Frankie never talks about their crush on CleoâŠfeels like a perfect opportunity. Also I would have liked to see some tension when it came to if Cleo is even into nonbinary femmes. Maybe have a conflict of Frankie trying to live up to all of Cleoâs amazing exs (some can be girls) and make them all super cool and unique idk)
Monster high generation 1 was able to get away with random characters because of the movies! The movies helped flesh out new characters. And the webisodes were extra character development. Side characters often would have a few episodes dedicated to them if they were completely new. Or they would flesh out reoccurring background characters like iris and scarah. I think I have a bigger magnifying glass on generation 3, because they are trying to actively have lore and be more character driven. With character conflicts so I expect more out of this series than I would MHG1, which pretty much had teenage girls as monsters. Which I liked to be honest, I think G3 needed more silly typical teenage stuff. One moment these characters are being babied by their parents, and next they are solely responsible for stopping constant terrors going on at the school. Even events like cheerleading and prom feel flat because thereâs no build up. Clankie would be a lot better if they built up throughout the season this big dance that you can take your crush to, and Frankie and all the other ships can interact with that in mind. I wanna see the ghouls shopping, going to the movies, the mall, having fun enjoying themselves. All they seem to do is study or do random activities.
And yes the MH bigotry is very strange, I might do a whole separate post ranting about this generations lore and mythology. Since they donât flesh out the world beyond the school enough, things like âwere-rulerâ feel so bland to me. Like is it really important? And what does it necessarily have to do with MH? The show frames monster high as the only school in the monster world, yet some monsters are banned? For what? Itâs hard to understand the monsters motive, because they hate humans who areâŠuh human i guess, but they also hate random species of monsters? And most of the hate is boiled down to âthis monster was a little destructiveâ but every monster has their freaky monster ways, why would they see it as weird? My biggest gripe is the whole âwe hate humansâ mentality. They give like 0 reason to hate humans, and if witchcraft is banned because itâs a human practice and they got betrayed by a human, why arenât were creatures banned for having human forms? And what all constitutes as magic? Because allot of the monsters in the school have magical powers, or magical things happen in the school, so why is learned magic the devil? Catarina, torelais mom used magic to steal monsterâs abilityâs (just like the old tale), Cleo has some mummy magical abilities, would dueces stone powers not be magic? Iâm just going to guess itâs more of the practice of magic, but draculaura never did anything in my opinion that was âwitchcraftyâ.
And principal blood good is probably one of my least favorite characters in the show. Sheâs a lot goofier than her G1 counterpart and I never take her seriously as a threat. Especially when it comes to her finding out draculaura is a witch. Sheâs easy to trick and her one gag is her head falling off. Sheâs very forgiving and super clumsy. Iâve never seen her take anything seriously. Unlike in G1, she wasnât strict but rules were rules, and since she wasnât around too often, her presence felt like a big deal. But she did care about her students and the school and actively tried to make things right often. The new goofy bloodgood just kills my vibe. I thought her being black was a cool idea, but I didnât think they would make her so traditionalist.
(This is probably for a later post but) the characters getting new ethic backgrounds was something I was excited for, until they started being boiled down to stereotypes.
Clawdeen-mixed kid (literally half human half wolf) canât fit in with her two races (very cliche mixed kid tropes in my opinion)
Draculaura -asian (over bearing parents who need her to live up to specific standards, suddenly very studious(model minority mindset)
Lagoona- Latina ( constant anger issues and very dramatic,(feisty Latina trope)
Torelai - British (evil(this is a joke)
I donât think anything is inherently wrong with adding new ethnic backgrounds to characters, but it feels so flat in MH. I think of shows like Craig of the Creek when I want to think of good representation, for race and sexuality. And gender. The show has nonbinary characters, characters with queer sexualityâs, and tons of characters with different ethic backgrounds. Now they have the benefit of being human, but I think if MH just fleshed out the monster world and made things more of a parody like normal, I think it would be better. Like characters like skeletita feel more genuine because all the skeletons are Mexican skeletons candy characters. So she doesnât feel like the only one. Where lagoona is the only fish with an accent, maybe if she has a few fish friends from where she is from, it would help flesh her out more idk. This topic in very important to me so i wanna clarify that I donât hate the diversity I just want better from this show. If this was made in 2010 sure i would call it revolutionary but i expect more representation out of these new shows that claim to be oh so diverse! Comfirm cleos sexuality, make more nonbinary characters, have more characters be of the same or similar races, why do we only have one of each?idk idk
I love how your opnions abt the show match mine so much cause ive been feeling the excat same way abt clankie, ppl describe them as a âfast slow burnâ but they just arent. They just go from sometimes talking to frankie sundally being head over heels for cleo then back to barley talking w some the slightest bits of being romantic(by that i mean one shot of them sitting at a table) i truly dont blame ppl for wanting cleuce back cause these two had so much chemistry toghter so many ups and downs that clankie just doesnt have, ive been feeling the same way abt g3 habby too-it feels like we went from heath having a big crush on abbey to sundally them datin, it legit does feel(like you said) that their just catering to g1 fans, same w draclawd which is ironic cause i legit felt nothing when i saw heath ask abbey or clawd ask draculaura for prom despite loving them alot in g1-they just lack the fun dynamiacs the two couples had, draclawd being a himbo x bimbo Romeo/Juliet couple while habby having a jessica & roger rabbit dynamic, all they do now is just blush & hold hands thats rlly it - also honestly seeing frankie try to figure out this new feeling would be a really interesting concept, it would get me more on board w the ship-it could be a nice way to help kids who r still questioning its not something i see any show do they useally have the character already know their queer
(Yeah the club feels like a lowky retcon, its mentioned one time then completely vanishes never mentioned again-the way its introduced is so awkard too they just have drac tell us what it is then cut to ghoulia sitting in one if the chairs-it would feel much more natrual if again like you said it was used to further devlop clankie & to help frankie figure out their feelings, trying to live up to her exes is a rlly fun concept too n could work just as well)
Right, its why i say g1 was better at contextualizing the newer characters like why wasnt catrine at monster high? Oh yeah cus she lived in scaris before! Boom there done , now why did teez never show up before? Hell if i know đ€·đœââïž but his here now , also im the excat same way-i see ppl bash g1 for having random episodes that dont connect n are just random when it never set up to be a serialized show-its an episodic one, its like complaining shows like courage dont have one overarching story, g3 however DOES set up to be a serialized show, to have one overarching story yet it never allows conflicts to proced beyond one episode , like antoer user said it wants to be the next amphibia or owl house but its far too simplistic to make those showâs sort of story work-i strongly agree they should have just made it a simplistic episodic show w silly monster teen shenanigan like g1-its where monster high works best, the more serialized overarching story sort of format works much better for ever after high
Oh PLEASE do a post for the lore & mythology if ur up for it cus i have so MUCH to say about it n would love to see ur take on it, i honestly hate the whole were-ruler concept due to it being based on a popular misinformation that wolves have an alpha(im autistic & have a special interest in wolves so thats why it bugs me alot) it doesnt even make sense for most of the wereanimals-why would the werecats care about whos the alpha?? Their house cats they dont have a hierarchy and like you said it has nothing to do w the school, it feels like its just half assed into the show so they can have a big conflict, i honestly in general just cant stand the wereanimals-thats the ONLY monster we ever get in terms of new characters n all of them just act like wolves or even cats(clawd jumping onto the wall when scared), the human vs monster conflict is also done so horribly-the monsters r still framed as being a minority like in g1 okay yet the show constantly depicts the monsters as practicing how to kill humans, lagoona stating she has killed multiple sailors in her life & when clawdeens dad comes everyone in the school tries to eat him, the show litrealy justifies humans discriminating againest monsters yet we r supposed to see them as the marginalized ones? Even tho their the ones attacking humans unprovoked? Its giving me disneys zombies energy , also as someone who is a witch-i rlly cant stand drac or the depiction of witchcraft lol they made it a human practice yet dont AT ALL bother takinh inspiration from actual witchcraft, its all just pretty lights n goofy spells n like i get it its a kids show but come on at least try to take some inspiration, you could make witches a seperete monster like in g1 and nothing would change in the story there was no need to make it a human practice
Also yeah i strongly feel you on bloodgood, she got streaked by the âadorkableâ beam hard ,how i explain her is in g1 she actually felt like a guardian, she was characterized w how a teen might see their high school principal like (being very intimidating n rule following) in g3 however she acts like an adult sitcom character, shes also honestly such a hypercrite-she almost kills or well âexpelsâ toralei after she âfinds outâ shes a witch yet just tells draculaura to not show off when she finds out shes a witch (its also so weird how nightmare barley ever appers anymore since in g1 they two were always seen toghter, nightmare was almost a part of bloodgoons design i mean after all she is the headless horsemans daughter)
Also MAN the relief i felt when u noted how stereotypical the characters are-ppl always get upset at ppl saying this n pulling out excuses like âbut its not a stereotype some people are like this!!â Not getting thats litrealy what a stereotype is-its taking one aspect some ppl from a group has n applying it to the whole group, its not ppl making up things, like how lagoona is overly obbessed w telenovelas even tho shes 16-telenovelas are watched way more by the middle aged women then teen girls , it feels like they just slapped it there cus lagoonas latina n we ALL know latinas love their telenevolas am i right??(sarcasim) same thing w her having anger issues , why does it HAVE to be lagoona?? Why cant anyone else have anger issues?? Manny is litrealy right there he had that in g1
I also agree with everything you said-i would just add that the issue w the new ethnic backgrounds is they took away already prexisting representation, by that im refering to the wolf family-there was no need to make clawdeen biracial now when she was already a diverse character(being monoracial Black) n its even more upsetting when aside from drac all the other white main characters got to keep their race, their all still monoracial white , i remeber reading the show bible where it says nonbinary is normalized in monster high that it has tons of nonbinary characters-yet thats not what we actually see in the show, the only nonbinary character is frankie everyone else stayed cis it feels even more wrong to me since âfrankensteinâ is a common insult cis ppl throw at trans ppl, it feels wrong that in this massive school the only nonbinary character is the frankenstein monster
Yes I used to post on twitter about my MH opinions but they arenât conversational at allđso I am glad that we can talk like this as well! Thank you lmao.
I think ultimately even though I sound like a G1 purist, g1 relationships had better build up for their main couples. Clawd and draculaura have the Romeo and Juliet vibe, so audiences root for them even more! Deuce and Cleo almost break up, and audiences fight for them to stay together. And lagoona and Gill seem to be destined to be apart but she fights for her relationship. And when they did side character coupling, the side characters often got either a few episodes, a BPlot in a movie or the main(rochell and garcon (?). In MHG1 the main ghouls helped audiences root for side character relationships. And most relationships were cute simple pairs (like two zombies together, iris and manny, scarah and invisibilly). G3 fails me because half of these characters have no personality and no drama ever. Lagoona and gill? They just get together and THEN a sudden conflict that comes out of nowhere happens, but it doesnât even strain their relationship. Frankie finally wants to ask Cleo out, but oh no, DUECE asked Frankie first??đđthat scene pissed me off so bad, like I would have rather had Frankie over hear deuce making plans to ask Cleo (something) but they assume itâs a prom proposal and get flustered or something idk đ. I feel like the main issue with the relationships as a whole right now, have to deal with the writers. Because Iâm unfortunately not a fan of G1 clawdeen x torelai at all. I was very disappointed when I found out they were going to be canonically together, and their comic had the least explanation đ. And this isnât to say that every WLW relationship has to have a perfect explanation, but for clawdeen and TORELAI?? I absolutely need one. Torelai was a notorious jerk to not just clawdeen, but all of her friends and family. A lot of people defend them, stating enemies to lovers, but I am not a fan of enemies to lovers, but the enemy is like an actual jerk jerk, for certain media. (If itâs a darker tone of media Iâll indulge I wonât lie, but what comes to mind is catradora đ«„ catra was horrible to adora and it just made me uncomfortable how adora just still repeatedly went back to her idk) I adore, a really good rivals to lovers. Where itâs contained between two characters and they are each others enemies but itâs nothing necessarily too insane. I feel like I would be more lenient if it was G3 clawdeen but..it might end up being a clankie situation.
And yes the stereotypes just feel so off to me. I didnât even get the draculaura one until a friend pointed it out to me. And youâre absolutely right about clawdeen. I myself am a mono-racial black woman, and I was in my feelings about her being mixed. At first I thought it was Afro Latina and just African American Black but my friend told me that sheâs specifically half something. So that definitely sucked a lot for me. Iâm a heavy advocate for including diversity where it wasnât before, but I struggled with why I felt so uncomfortable by clawdeens sudden Latino decent. Itâs not a fully fledged thought yet, but something about making her mixed seems like they donât want to commit to a fully black girl main character. Her mom has straight hair and as a result clawdeen has this off pink wavy hair texture (while her brother in doll form, gets actual curls on his doll..). Despite being Afro Latina now, she doesnât speak spanish, and the culture seems so empty within the household. Like miles morales is Afro Latino, and it comes through in his FULL Spanish sentences, his interactions with his parents and how he traverses the world. Clawdeen and clawd literally bond overâŠtamales?? Add lagoona in there and her and clawd will literally just say Spanish phrases. Itâs a thin line for me. I think itâs a step in a good direction, but I would like for the characters to either reflect their origins a lot more through clothing and cultural traditions (instead of draculaura getting her sweet 1600, make it lagoona getting a quinceañera! (Quince-scare-a idk they can figure it out)
And yes Iâm absolutely going to make a post on the mythology, just gotta organize my ânotesâ because itâs all over the place đ. Things like the talismans, (how did principal bloodgood not know that a human was present at the creation of MH⊠adding the humans just felt like a way for them to official retcon the human hate. âLook humans were a type of monster!ââŠokay pal). I want to talk about the were-creatures because they way they did them in this generation is so frustrating to me as well. Were wolves are inherently half human half wolf creatures, so whatâs so significant about a half human werewolf?? Itâs redundant. Especially if the majority of the powers clawdeen has, comes from the talisman anyways. And I do hate when they do a thing thatâs like âoh this group of people oppresses this other group and thatâs bad!â âWhy are they oppressed?â âOh well they actively kill members of the other groupâŠbut itâs still wrong to not like them!!â I watched an anime called Brand New Animal, and it was a humans versus were-creatures. But the were creatures actively had a gene in their bodyâs that made them ultra violentâŠand they even started killing each otherâŠhow horrible~ and it just made me so uncomfortable. (It felt like an allegory for black on black crime and marginalized races just being savages by nature..) I also just want to inquire about all the other monster types at the school, and the conflict they have. Like why is heaths dad hades? And why is it Disney hades not even actual hades đ. What role does Dracula actually play in the grand scheme of things, and how come no one of authority, who knew clawdeens mom Selena, recognized clawdeen immediately?? Or at least her necklace?? Like bloodgood just thought she was some random human girl. Are you guys not actively looking for the faculty member you lost?? She was freaking were-ruler???
Tbh i personally dont think u sound like a g1 purist at all(granted i also hate that term as its just used to shut valid critiques, esp from poc) i also hated the âOH NO DEUCE IS ASKING FRANKIE INSTEAD!!â It was so forced & cringe to watch, OH NO !! Deuce asked frankie & cleo if they-wanna go the prom as friends OH NO TRULY TERRIBLE SUCH DRAMA!!/sarcasim, for toradeen tho i ironically prefer g1 over g3-yeah toralei was a jerk but that was rlly it-she was just annoying, In g3 she was straight out racist despite the show pretending like she never was-she straight out complined about clawdeen being in MH just cause shes part human-its a big issue i had w their suddon friendship too n her defending clawdeen from her mon cus like?? Girl didnt u litrealy say the same things abt clawdeen?? I do agree however that the comic should have focused on them getting toghter-i was dissapointed to find out it was mainly abt two new characters & not how the two girls got toghter
The stereotyping doesnt stop at race/enthicity-twyla got a very high pitched voice n while yes the actress is autistic & has a voice like that shea confirmed she wanted the actress to make her voice high-she wanted twyla to be âadorableâ n as someone who is autistic-this all just comes off as infantalizing - also your friends completly right, clawdeens bio specificly lists her as being âa biracial humanâ , her mom is most likely to just be a darkskinned mestiza woman and yeah like you said clawdeen being latina doesnt at all effect anything abt her character outside of her brother & mom havin accents, it feels like a last mintue addition(the first time it was ever mentioned was in her music video-not even the movie) you can take it out n nothing would change unlike other afro-latine characters like miles, that tamale scene was also rlly cringy to see-so many Mexicans called out how the two of them were eating it incorrectly(eating it w the shell) they didnt even do the bare minimum research on the food they were representing đ
I would love to see it once its up! I actually had a mutual of mine point out that frankie having a tailsman makes no sense, their the only frankenstein monster-why would there be an acient tool made for a monster that wont come to exist till now?? While i am glad they did go the âclawdeen only changes into a human cus shes part humanâ like the movies did-the âhalf humanâ plot is still a really cringe terrible metaphor for being biracial & can be easily taken out just like witches being humans,like you said werewolves r already half human(w the word itself translating to âman wolfâ) n clawdeen + clawd themselves r litrealy no diffetent then the other werewolves, we already had much better characters in g1 that served as a metaphor for being biracial (jackson & the hybreds) , Beasters & Z-O-M-B-I-E-S also had a similar plot to brand new animal n its so uncomfantable- monster high was the few medias i seen that actually tackled the race metaphors rlly well since the monsters were rlly no different then humans just in apperence, it was so refreshing to see so now having them activly go n kill innocent humans n even try to eat their friends human dad is so depressing
I seen ppl explain that hades is actually satan but they just had to call him hades instead cus of christain parents n that to me is (no offensive) BS-heaths dad was always plained to be hades, the issue is america loves to insert christanity into everything so assume hades must be just like satan when his not
The school not realising clawdeen is selenas daughter reminds me of how hazbin hotel has husk(alasters slave) be an overlord(an important figure in the shows ver of hell) yet no one not even LUCIFERS DAUGHTER realises that he is an overlord
Thank you for not thinking Iâm a G1 purist đ, Iâm a huge fan of the franchise as a whole and there are things I like about G3, but it missed the mark for me 1000%
And yes honestly youâre right about G3 torelai x clawdeen orz, Iâm trying to give the Toradeen fans something lmao. But G3 torelai also just fits into my distaste of enemies to lovers, because like you said she is racist đđđđ and idk how or why clawdeen came to trust her at all omg. I get it, she did one selfless act and now you see the good in her, they had to write her out of being a jerk somehow. But itâs just no fun. Torelai this season is more akin to G1 Cleo, sheâs vain and bossy and wants to be respected. But G1 cleo wasnât mean to EVERYONE, she had her ride or die ghoulia, she loved deuce, and sheâs like normal vain teenage girl mean, not âew you dirty humanâ.
And I didnât even think of the Twyla stereotyping. Critiquing autism and autistic characters is so hard because it is a spectrum, and not one character is going to represent all. But it becomes a little iffy when itâs supposed to be a spectrum but a lot of characters share similar traits/ stereotypes. I feel like the big 3 in autism traits most characters have are -bad eye contact, needs noise canceling head phones, one special interest(typically in something academic like reading or learning the history of a specific animal. Also the special interest will conveniently line up with said characters job). I donât think any of these things are inherently bad or wrong or ableist, but i would like to see something new. I head canon G3 Frankie to be autistic. I know itâs because theyâre new, so they take everything very literal, but thatâs something I see more often with my own friends on the spectrum over them needing noise canceling headphones idk. Also whereâs the food sensory issues or clothing sensory issues?
(It didnât even register to me that they were eating the whole dang tamale omg đđ thatâs so unserious)
And the whole talismans thing in general will definitely get a whole rant because they seem so important yet they are scattered across all of monster high. Why wasnât anyone looking for Selena wolf when she disappeared? No one thought to gather the tailsmen? How new are some of these tailsmen and where do they come from? Like if gorgons werenât allowed at MH until dueces mom, how is there a talisman? What about a zombie tailsmen? If they hate humans, shouldnât Frankie feel some kind of way because theyâre the child of victor frankenstine? A human??? Lagoonas thirst for human blood is just not fun lmao. It seems like the only way they could think to make her âscaryâ. And on clawdeens parentsâŠis the mom not going to get any flack for marrying a human?? I think catarina hated it but like no one else even cared đđ
Hazbin hotel is a whole different rant đ. Youâre telling me, the DAUGHTER of LUICIFER, is offering a free ticket to heaven, and no one cares?? People arenât lining up at her door begging to be let in??đ no one could tell vagatha is an angel? Like you said, no one knew husk was an overlord? No one cared that allistor was back in town?? The angels donât care when Adam cusses and swears, but when Charlie does it, itâs disrespectfulâŠ? So angel dust confides in husk about hating his job after being SAed and husks response is âeh weâre all losers get over itâ. Why is Sir Snake Guy in heavenâŠ? Like it makes no sense to međđ that show is a completely different bag of worms. Once again interesting premise but terrible execution
Tbh i mainly only like the g3 dolls-the medias are just an utter mess(ESPICALLY the movies)
Thats very fair lmao i made a post abt it but i never got the whole âtoradeen only makes sense in g3!! Make it canon there!!â Some fans have cus like-girlie are you sure we r talking abt the same g3 toralei?? Its the one w the awful british accent who wanted clawdeen removed from monster high for being half human & also tried to ruin draculaura, clawdeens best friend, life by exposing her as a witch - your also right, clawdeen sundally trusting toralei cause she did one selfless act makes no sense, the episodes petroyal of toralei was so ooc n made no sense as a whole-they did a whole 180 and decided toralei was actually never racist(even tho she was) it was just her mom, then they had her n clawdeen act like besties n have toralei call her a friend even tho just an episode ago toralei tried to ruin her life like hello?? Since when were they friends?? - also again your right, while i do think g1 cleos redeemption was somewhat rushed too cleo was never an actual threat, she was never bigotted, she was just vain & bossy but you can see that she wasnt all that bad, unlike g3 toralei
Yeah critiquing autism stereotypes is p diffcult like you said-i myself was on the fence abt critiquing twylas voice cus of the actress voice being already high pitched, but after again seeing shea say she wanted twyla to be âadorableâ(n mind you twas the ONLY character she described lime that, not even draculaura even tho shes supposed to be the cutesy one) n heard that âautistic women r more likely to have high pitched voicesâ (which is based on a wrong belief that theres female autism & male autism) that went away real fast lol it feels uncomfantable to look at g3 twyla now w that context in mind, especially when her fashion is very cery child leaning n her theme switched from bugs to mainly bunnies even tho it wasnt in g1 - i also headcanon frankie as autistic in honestly all gens, i remeber shea commented on the compleint abt ghoulia being able to talk now saying she acknowladges alot of autistic ppl looked up to her but she âwanted to chellenge zombie stereotypesâ that pissed me off SO SO much my other autistic friends who like mh also hated that statment she made
While she raâs represention of autism was horrible too(w how the allistic characters treated entrapta) i do think entrapta herself is still one of the beat autistic characters i seen-shes not just a shy quiet reserved person like every other autistic person shes rlly loud n blunt as well as struggles w personal boundries & takes things too litreal , she even has food sensories (only eating tiny food) i really wish we got more autistic characters like her (shes even an adult woc-which we barley barley ever see)
(Yeah its THE first thing thing i seen latine fans post abt-imagine patting yourself on the back for making a character latine only to be bashed by latines for not doing the most basic research LMAO)
See a zombie tailsman would make much much more sense then a fucking frankenstein tailsman-those actually existed for ages unlike frankie, hell frankie could still use it even if it was a zombie tailsman cus they are just a zombie(even tho the show pretends like their not even an undead monster) the show did confirm that frankie was built by monsters not humans which is even WORSE-esp when one of the parents is a zombie, why in the world would a zombie go around n take other corpseâs parts?? His violating other zombies automany n stealing their parts why isnt he shunned for that?? Same w the mom even tho shes a troll shes violating other monsterâs autonomy-i seen ppl compare g3 lagoona to GIR from invader zim n thats honestly an insult to GIR he was actually funny & cute, lagoonas just annoying n a try hard
Dude i swear we r just straight out twinning in regards to our opnions LMAO ive been making some posts ranting abt how terrible hazbin hotel is n its so ironic to me how it and monster high g3 share so much in common even tho g3 is more praised-like w selena wolf & her husband, helluva boss did the same thing w beelzebub dating a hellhound yet no one cares even tho hellhounds are on the lowest tier , i do think hazbins worse then mh g3 but man its funny to me how both so much in common in regards to issues lol
I enjoy the G3 dolls as well! The fashion leaves much to be desired but the physical dolls are cute sometimes. đAnd yes I loved entrapta! I need more characters like her! The cutesy autism rep is getting out of hand đ.
The relationship between the zombies and Frankie was something so brief in G1 I believe. It was stated they were cousins, and Frankie is made out of dead humans, not necessarily undead humans. And sheâs reanimated just like how zombies are~ I believe Frankie and ghoulia are cousins in G1 (Iâm sure itâs kind of a joke). But the zombies of G3 are pushed to the side and Frankie is definitely an Astro boy before they are a franken monster đđ thereâs no connection at all. And lagoona is no where near Gir levels. thatâs absurd. Like you said gir was cute! And sure lagoona is cute, but her personality is plain. Sheâs a chomper..okayyyâŠoh she likes bloodâŠoh kayy. Sheâs supposed to be scary and dangerous but they literally never treat her like she is đ
And I think hazbin has similar writing issues as monster high G3, because both are rushing and they rely on viewers knowing outside information to understand their story. They do very little world building and tons of verbal exposition. How do we know that draculaura and Charlie have daddy issues? Because they literally just say it. They never show it đđ(Charlie is the worst because wym you have father issues but your father is literally your number 1 fanâŠhuh? Idk i was expecting something else). They both are trying to have a robust fantasy setting but they do nooo work to flesh out that setting. And the locations are super limited. Iâll give G3 some grace since itâs 3D, but no grace for hazbin đ
I feel like the fashion is somewhat improving, monster fest is legitmently BREATHTAKING and ngl core refresh frankieâs outfit feels legitmently like something out of g1, it has that same scene kid inspo but yeah the physical dolls themselves r the best part i still am in awe they actually made catty be fat instead of just thin & curvy â and for real!! Entrapta felt so much more relatable to me then majority of the cutesy shy autistic characters , she even got into a relationship w hordak who has chronic illness, i dont see much shows explore couples where both ppl r disabled(granted hordak is also a villain but still)
Even if it is a joke-frankie & ghoulia being cousions is a cute ifea, i like when media give frankenstein monsters random family members , also astro boy is such an accraute description of g3 frankie i honestly cant stand how much superpowers they gave them-the whole âtheir brain is made of the worlds greatestâ in specific makes me so uncomfantable - honestly if lagoona was chatacterized as being like a scene girl then i would better get the GIR comparrison & find her cute, it wont feel so racist n be a nice way to reference the fact g1 was made cus sanders was inspired by 2000s alt girls
LITREALYY U GET IT!! Both shows rushed their biggest arc in just one season when it should have continued longer to better devlop it (the tailsman & the angel battle) and now their just throwing darts at a wall to figure out what to do next , alot of the relationships r also extremly random & just forced in , like alaster & charlie being father & daughter like or draculaura & heath being apprantly childhood best friends - even their already plained relationships like chaggie & clankie feel so random n not all that devloped or interesting
Yes the new doll body types are so interesting!! (I do wish sometimes the community changed the way they speak about the characters sizes, because I remember them praising draculaura for being a 'fat' girl when she definitely isn't đ. I think she should have a body more similar to catty before being called fat idk idk. (Also also I want more male body types!!!! Give me short heath or something!!!"
And scene girl lagoona would be peak!! Scene anyone! I do think the fashion has gotten leagues better, and I hope they start fleshing out everyone's subcultures more!! Everyone feels a little samey if not for a bat pattern or a cat pattern idk. Like I want to see clothes that are like "yes draculaura would wear this, not JUST because it's pink but because this is her style!"(I also want them to bring back more simple patterns like the argyle or zipper patterns or simple heart patterns)
( and yesh I could go on for a good hour about Frankie's brain đ omg)
And yes the rushed arc into one season sucks so bad! To an extent I understand, you never know if your show is going to get cancelled (so why not make it slice of life instead of a Hogwarts battle every episode. Have your underlying story but keep things fun and light hearted. Save your big story elements for a potential movie or something)
Yeah i remeber that đ it legitmently sent me hearing things ppl praise mattel for making draculaura âfatâ when the only part abt her thats bigger is her hips + thighs - also honestly thats an issue w mattel as a whole , they make unique female body sculpts but then w the guys (for ken dolls) theres just âsuperman , ken, twinkâ w monster high its even worse cus all the guys r just slightly musclar avarage height n thats it and as someone whos a fat trans guy its pretty frustrating
Frankies core refresh was the closest to a full on scene outfit but their not even supposed to be scene-their fashion board is listed as âDIY punkâ yet their monster fest doll is anything but that(its honestly why their my least favorite-choachella isnt the only music fest) the only draculaura outfits in g3 i can confidently say i can see g1 drac wearing is core refresh & ironically goreganizer, i remeber the show had draculaura claim her aesthetic is âpastel gothâ n ngl it made me cringe so much đ her being pink does not make her pastel goth shes not even pastel pink shes hot pink, rochelle , river & catrine in g1 are far far better examples of pastel goth , i think thats the issue as a whole theres not as much though research on the subcultures the characters were originally inspired by unlike g1 they just dress the characters like barbies-the only one i feel like the team put in more effort into in terms of fashion is venus, her fashion gives off the same vibes as her g1 self did(i also miss those simple patterns, i liked how much zipper pattern g1 clawdeen had it added to her punk-y2k inspo)
(I remeber oakwyrm disscuissed it on their video abt the second mh movie pointing out how it mimicks the real practice of disrespecting the dead by stealing their brains like elbert einstain n it made me hate that aspect of Frankie even more)
Exctaly!! Like i know hazbin hasnt released its second season yet but w mh s2 the whole âneeding a wererulerâ plot feels like its just there cus the crew released they have no overarching story for s2 cus they rushed the first big one
The body diversity of G3 is such an interesting topic for me, because I love the new body shapes! I think they did a good job trying to add more body variation especially when MH dolls are often used for customization and repaints! But I hate how people have watered down/ flattened language so now characters like draculaura are seen as fat when like none of the other media depicts her like that. Sheâs short and squat, and thatâs fine! I realized that a lot of people compare G3 to G1s body types, in doing so of course these new dolls look thicker and plumper, but when you compare the dolls to each other thereâs little to no difference sometimes. Like catty is supposed to be fat fat, and compared to G1 I can see it, but in reality compared to draculaura sheâs just tall and thick, she does have a bigger waist/thighs but it just resembles slim thick pop stars to me đ. Iâm really excited to see what the future holds for for these dolls though, and I am being a little nitpicky but, itâs 2024 where more bodies are being celebrated, I hope they show off a good range in the upcoming years. like I really want a muscular girl, a flat chested girl mold, a short and squat dude mold, a tall and lanky male mold. Iâm trying to see it all! (And I know they can do it đ€) I want characters with molded on side rolls, I need it.
and yes their fashion this gen just feel very impersonal to me. This is only a Cleo outfit because it has mummy wraps/ Egyptian iconography. This is only a draculaura outfit because itâs pink and black and has bat patterns all over. I do think theyâre getting better over time, but idk if itâs only been one year since your dolls came out and you already need to do a core refreshâŠ.đ§đŸââïž Iâm sorry but theyâre not cutting it in the fashion department. But the dolls have so much potentialđ© I donât want to see the brand die again, but I honestly donât see a future where this generation is seen as iconic because like you said, thereâs no real thought or research being put into some of these doll (look at ghoulia and dare I say clawdeen). and it sucks because they have a lot of good things going on, but as time goes on they really are throwing a lot of it to the wayside. Like love Frankie but are there any other nonbinary characters? Is Frankie the only one because they literally are 100 people combined, are we going to get any other queer relationships? Are they going to ever release any other media that can be made into dolls? Does the tv show even matter anymore since it literally matches nothing đ§đŸââïžidk it all just seem too chaotic and messy for it to stand without the first generation.
Monster high G3 rant
Watching the TV series and Iâm kind of disappointed.
This will be my second watch of season 1, Iâm rewatching after the current season 2 episodes.
the show feels very flat in my opinion. Theyâve given the characters a lot of cool traits, but theyâre used for like one episode and then never brought up, or they only use one specific trait 24/7. Like Frankie in this generation, they have the ability to electrocute, extend their body parts, and they get visions from the people theyâre made out of. Specifically they get visions from this one recurring doctor/ scientist. The idea is cool, but the vision literally is there to give exposition about something conveniently. Like when they are trying to solve the puzzle of clawdeens mom, Frankieâs vision just conveniently tells them what to do and how to do it.
In that same episode, we see manny taur. A Minotaur character. And right away we are just told that heâs good at puzzle solving, and so is draculaura! Theyâre rivals! But this is the first time Iâve ever seen or heard about draculaura being into puzzles, let alone her one sided rivalry with manny. And as the episode ends, sheâs like âwell you can be the rightful puzzle masterâ but it feels so flat. There has been no build up to this moment.
Another example is lagoona. In her designated episode, she is rooting for torelai to win the fear-leading captain over draculaura (another thing that has no build up as to why itâs important to her) lagoona explains that torelai is holding a secret over her head, and if it gets out she will lose her status as the fiercest monster in school. But this is the first time we have heard this!! In previous episodes thereâs no mention of her being scary or fierce. Or even her super fast swimming skills. Itâs just brought up and glosses over with a âbe who you are, itâs okay to like what you want! We all have secrets đ„čâ but thereâs no real character development.
My last example will be the way draculaura is presented in this series. From what she tells us, she has high standards to live up to as a vampire. She needs to look good for her day so she studies endlessly and is striving for perfection. But she also has a love for witchcraft, which is banned in monster high due to its connections to humans. This can be a cute premise, but they NEVER show draculaura compared to any other vampire to show how sheâs supposed to act. They never give us episodes where she blows off her friendâs shenanigans because it makes her look bad, and they never really show her dad being so overbearing. They donât show us WHY humans are hated. And even though witchcraft is banned, whenever anyone finds out about it theyâre just cool with it? No push back or anything. The only character to challenge draculaura was torelai.
This all may be very nitpicky, but MH is a character driven franchise. Character relationships with each other and their surroundings are very important to me. I want to feel the so called pressure these characters are being put under. It doesnât have to be ultra serious 24/7, but issues get resolved within one episode and then rehashed a few episodes later with no further development. Especially with characters like Cleo and lagoona. They have been benched as side characters in this show, and side characters get much worse treatment.
âThe general episode progression is like this - introduce an issue, introduce a high stakes situation that involves the school, have all or one of the main 3 engage in a sequence of fights against this issue(or rapid solving of said issue through convince) - issue is resolved and lesson is told to viewers-characters reset for the next episode.
I know this is a childrenâs show, but that doesnât mean it needs to have bad writing, not all kids are high off cocomelon. Kids deserve good writing in their media!
My next rant will be about clawdeen and her story this generation
I agree with this criticism. The G3 cartoon seems to be try filling in the "Vaguely Western Isekai fantasy cartoon with overarching plot" space that The Owl House, Amphibia and SVTFOE had on Disney since Nickelodeon hasn't had a serialized fantasy show in ages but the character writing is way too simplistic for it to work and the world building outside of random factoids is non-existent.
Draculaura is honestly the most insuffrable one in the show-i dont get how ppl say shes better here then in g1 cus like girlie cant go a DAY w/o trying to one up someone intentionally or not, oh ghoulia wants to be star student to be an example for zombies?? Nope drac wants to be one too and sheâll cheat for it!! Mannys into puzzles? Great so is drac now!!
Even her supposed âchildhood friendshipâ w heath feels so forced n out of nowhere-since when were those two childhood friends excuse me?? That was never once mentioned in season 1
Thats also not going into how controling she acted over witchcraft-she bashed skelita for wanting to do witchcraft for fun WHEN THATS WHY SHE WANTED TO DO WITCHCRAFT TOO she wantef to do it for fun, it has no deeper meaning for her other then its fun, the episode never even calls out her hypocrisy on it
Yess honestly draculaura is a character that feels like they donât know what they want to do with her. With my second rewatch of season 1, Iâm noticing that the main 3 ghouls (Frankie,clawdeen, and draculaura) all share similar elements. They are all studious, love research, and they excel at a lot of things. It makes the character variation seem so bland.
And draculauras story is so unclear along with clawdeens. Like she only gets âcharacter developmentâ when sheâs trying to suddenly one up someone, when she suddenly has this skill or ability that hasnât been used prior. It can be frustrating because how are you a âknow it allâ one episode, but you know nothing the next.
Like when the boo crew meets Twyla, draculaura says that sheâs known her since they were kids, but she fails to recognize Twyla in her shadow form. She also knew that Twyla didnât like loud noises, but she canât put 2-2 together?
To add to @the-ghost-rat âs point, the fear leading team. All of a sudden Draculaura wants to be a fear leader, and not just ANY she wants to be the captain?!
The fear leading team in MHG1 was used to give Cleo some character development. She was vain and bossy, but through fear leading you learn about why she acts the way she acts, and itâs something important and integral to her character. In MHG1 joining the fear leading team was a big deal, especially to Cleo! But in MHG3 itâs like a past time for draculaura. It feels like they added it in just for the sake of having it.
It could work if they were doing a thing thatâs like - draculaura has to be the best at everything because if sheâs not it looks bad on her father. maybe give her some older siblings that carved a legacy out before she arrived, and she has huge shoes to fill. So she fights hard to be the best at everything but over the course of the show you see itâs wearing her thin. Her siblings had each other, to branch off and be the best at a cooking class, fear leading, puzzle solving. But she only has herself and itâs a lot of pressure and sheâs fumbling a lot because she canât do it all. She took the fearleading mantle away from her friend who actually cares about it, and she has to be content with not being the best at everything and she apologizes for constantly getting in the way of her friendâs success.
You honestly put my thoughts into words, she feels boderline(as much as i hate the word its the best way to explain it) like a âmary sueâ she always acts selfish , controling and mean yet she doesnt get much consiquences outside of someone getting slightly upset at her , her friendship w heath & twyla add to it too-like you said it makes no sense that despite being childhood friends w twyla drac didnt know her shadow form or that shes the one who stole the music box, it just feels like its thrown in to show how great , nice & awsome drac is n how everyone loves her expt for toralei-the litreal mean girl anatagnist
Also yeah the characters not having variety is an issue w majority of the cast :/ their all some flavour of ânice awkard quirky & friendlyâ the lack of accents doesnt help either cus they blend in even more like i just couldnt bring myself to care abt anyone n it feels like not even the crew does cause tons of characters r thrown in the background after they served their porpose in one episode(like spectra , nefera , etc) deuce is supposed to be part of the main three (like the intro shows) yet his just there to hype up clankie n be the token male character
Honestly that critique can apply to clawdeen joining the casketball-since when was girlie into caketball?? Since when did she show she wanted to join it?? She was obv more into fearleading , it comes off as she just joined casketball cus they forgot her doll had her be a casketball player
Honestly thats not a bad idea-they coukd have done that w elizzabat, bring her back but make her draculauras older sister, i mean girlie was straight out the vampire queen & a movie star in g1 it could be an interesting parallel to nefera n cleo in g1(yes they still have that conflict in g3 but its a nothing burger, its resolved in one episode then nefera vanishes, besides w her not being a villain shes just boring)
I agree with everything you just said lmao. The endlessly adorkable characters feel bland and uninteresting, side characters like deuce and spectra get little to nothing. (and imma say Cleo as well. Honestly rewatching the clankie episodes, I realize how little Cleo and Frankie actually hung out. Cleo helps Frankie in like one episode, and then the next episode Frankie is crushing on Cleo. And that would be cool, but Cleoâs character is reduced to literally âIâm just here when the boo crew isnât available~ Iâll help anyone~. But any clankie episodes, Cleo feels wildly out of character, as she needs to become a damsel in distressâs for Frankie to help her. (I can go on a whole clankie rant đ€ŠđŸââïž I thought it was cute but now Iâm like,,,))
And I think have Elissabat would have been a good foil for draculaura, at this point any vampire thatâs not her parents đ. Idk if itâs because of the budget, but the lack of different background characters can feel so jarring at times, especially when itâs time for said BG character to get their special lore drop episode, or when new models of characters get introduced, like mouscedes and teez (the skunk). Wym theyâre all of a sudden apart of the were-pack when we have never seen them until now, and then clawdeen is just like âtell us about yourself!â And they both get exposition dumps. (But the whole point of that episode was that clawdeen didnât know ANYONE, so why only ask mousecedes and teez about themselves and then have some âAH-HAâ moment??)
And the G3 Cleo and nefra conflict is borderline non existent. Unlike in G1, nefra actually adores her sister. And sheâs happy to be around her, and Cleo just comes off as over dramatic because thereâs never any real threat. Thereâs no build up to the great nefra in G3, itâs time for cleo to have her episode, so they throw in some reason for nefra to be there. âOh nefra was the lead in all the school plays, plays that the audience didnât even know MH was hosting? And this year the play us cleopatra? Convenient for the Cleo episode I guess.
And duece is such a strange character because, whatâs his deal? His previous history with the ghouls is non existent except for him dating Cleo, something that never gets brought up. (This also just reminds me of how thereâs like hardly any romance outside of clankie wow). We also just get random lore drops that all of a sudden, he needs to be the best at a lot of things because Gorgons never lose, and they have to over perform due to the discrimination they faced way back whenâŠbut before the episode where duece tells us all that, heâs like a bump on a log. How come he never challenges draculaura? Are gorgons only supposed to be good at sports??
Omg im SO glad you feel that way abt clankie cus i dont get the hype AT ALL đ like where did frankie get the sudden crush on cleo?? Wheres the build up?? The two barley even interacted n now deuce n cleo cant even interact on their own w/o frankie being there , i hate how you cant say anything negative abt clankie or fans will claim ur just âg1 puristist who hates representationâ bcus no-there are legitment reasons to critique the pairing, i appricate represention but i would like to have actual lead up to a couple-same thing w toralei & clawdeens friendship, we never even get an episode where we actually see toralei & clawdeen actually make things up n become friends-toralei just goes from being a racist bully to seeing clawdeen as her friend (ironically-its a simliar issue i have to lumity-theres no buildup to amity devloping feelings for luz)
I feel like random characters appering was an issue all the way back in g1 w characters like twyla but i feel like g1 at least attempted to better contextualize where these characters were, plus they actually lined up w the dolls that were being released, in g3 we already got to see mousecedes , spectra & the werecat twins ages before their dolls came out(mousecdes STILL didnt get her doll) theres such a massive disconnect between the new doll characters being introduced n the characters being shown in the cartoon the two are just spoliering eachother
I seen ppl compare g3 nefera & cleo to hey arnolds helga & olga cus neferas nice when umm no the two are nothing alike-yes olga was nice but helga wasnt, the conflict wasnt solved in one episode it keepet going n showed how it effected helgas personality n mental state, if anything g1 nefera & cleo are more comparable to helga & olga-that aside tho i legit cant stand nefera in this gen which is ironic cus shes nice lol it just took away the whole point of why nefera was mean while clawdeens siblings r nice, it was a good way to show kids the difference between a good sibling relationship and a bad one
Yeah the issue w deuce ties back to what i said abt clankie-he cant even interact w cleo alone w/o frankie being there, he litrealy is just there to hype up clankie his a non-character despite again being part of the main trio like the intro showed, he wasnt all that deep in g1 either but he still got tons of memrable moments n was a pretty clever subversion of a common trope-in that his a jock dating the popular rich girl but he wasnt mean he was actually rlly nice (there also actually is other romances but their forgotten after one or two episodes, like draculaura + clawd, gill + lagoona , a whole ass bear + nefera & finn + spectra, the only one thats as consist as clankie is abbey + heath)
Also tbh i hate how so damn bigotted the school is now-like i get bigotry is invitable even in an accepting school like monster high but jesus everytime we learn anything new abt the school the entire âa school meant for all monsters!â Message falls flat-they didnt accept yetis, they discriminated against gorgons , they banned witchcraft like jesus what ISNT this school bigotted againest? There was some bigotry in the school in g1 but that was from the student and it wasnt so massive that the morals of the school come to question, it makes me hate that bloodgoon is Black now cus it feels rlly uncomfantable to have a Black woman be so bigotted towerds anyone who isnt like her unlike her white counterpart
Yes I just finished the last few episodes of the season, and clankie just had no time to cook. If you take all the clankie clips in isolation, back to back, it seems cute and genuine, but after binge watching this season again, Iâm realizing how little they actually interacted. This goes for all the couples. Couples like heath and Abby need seem like theyâre catering to G1 fans just a tad. Like Iâm expecting these characters to like each other because thatâs how I remember it, so as the viewer I can cut them some slack. But in reality the characters just donât develop enough during the shows long runtime. And this makes clankie stand out more in my opinion as they have no previous history with viewers and old fans, so they really needed to convince us that they actually like each other, but it fell short for me personally. I enjoy clankie fan art and Iâm rooting for them to get a 2 pack eventually, but I do still think they fall very short for me. Like it feels so out of character that Frankie wouldnât tell their friends about their crush on Cleo, or if Cleo caught feelings, we should have gotten an episode of Cleo trying out terrible online dating advice (or seeking out advice from lagoona because I guess sheâs a romantic?). But the two most vocal characters just keep to themselves? Frankie isnât curious about this new feeling they have? Maybe Iâm asking for too much, but Iâm sure they could have pulled it off if the episodes were paced better, that goes for all the couples. Itâs also weird to bring up Cleo and deuce used to date but Cleo herself never acknowledges that. Itâs only ever deuce who brings it up. Also the monster ball episode, Iâm assuming was a way to confirm certain ship dynamics, but I wished we got an episode where Cleo and Frankie actually said they like each other. :\
(Also on another note, they have a club for queer monsters but Frankie never talks about their crush on CleoâŠfeels like a perfect opportunity. Also I would have liked to see some tension when it came to if Cleo is even into nonbinary femmes. Maybe have a conflict of Frankie trying to live up to all of Cleoâs amazing exs (some can be girls) and make them all super cool and unique idk)
Monster high generation 1 was able to get away with random characters because of the movies! The movies helped flesh out new characters. And the webisodes were extra character development. Side characters often would have a few episodes dedicated to them if they were completely new. Or they would flesh out reoccurring background characters like iris and scarah. I think I have a bigger magnifying glass on generation 3, because they are trying to actively have lore and be more character driven. With character conflicts so I expect more out of this series than I would MHG1, which pretty much had teenage girls as monsters. Which I liked to be honest, I think G3 needed more silly typical teenage stuff. One moment these characters are being babied by their parents, and next they are solely responsible for stopping constant terrors going on at the school. Even events like cheerleading and prom feel flat because thereâs no build up. Clankie would be a lot better if they built up throughout the season this big dance that you can take your crush to, and Frankie and all the other ships can interact with that in mind. I wanna see the ghouls shopping, going to the movies, the mall, having fun enjoying themselves. All they seem to do is study or do random activities.
And yes the MH bigotry is very strange, I might do a whole separate post ranting about this generations lore and mythology. Since they donât flesh out the world beyond the school enough, things like âwere-rulerâ feel so bland to me. Like is it really important? And what does it necessarily have to do with MH? The show frames monster high as the only school in the monster world, yet some monsters are banned? For what? Itâs hard to understand the monsters motive, because they hate humans who areâŠuh human i guess, but they also hate random species of monsters? And most of the hate is boiled down to âthis monster was a little destructiveâ but every monster has their freaky monster ways, why would they see it as weird? My biggest gripe is the whole âwe hate humansâ mentality. They give like 0 reason to hate humans, and if witchcraft is banned because itâs a human practice and they got betrayed by a human, why arenât were creatures banned for having human forms? And what all constitutes as magic? Because allot of the monsters in the school have magical powers, or magical things happen in the school, so why is learned magic the devil? Catarina, torelais mom used magic to steal monsterâs abilityâs (just like the old tale), Cleo has some mummy magical abilities, would dueces stone powers not be magic? Iâm just going to guess itâs more of the practice of magic, but draculaura never did anything in my opinion that was âwitchcraftyâ.
And principal blood good is probably one of my least favorite characters in the show. Sheâs a lot goofier than her G1 counterpart and I never take her seriously as a threat. Especially when it comes to her finding out draculaura is a witch. Sheâs easy to trick and her one gag is her head falling off. Sheâs very forgiving and super clumsy. Iâve never seen her take anything seriously. Unlike in G1, she wasnât strict but rules were rules, and since she wasnât around too often, her presence felt like a big deal. But she did care about her students and the school and actively tried to make things right often. The new goofy bloodgood just kills my vibe. I thought her being black was a cool idea, but I didnât think they would make her so traditionalist.
(This is probably for a later post but) the characters getting new ethic backgrounds was something I was excited for, until they started being boiled down to stereotypes.
Clawdeen-mixed kid (literally half human half wolf) canât fit in with her two races (very cliche mixed kid tropes in my opinion)
Draculaura -asian (over bearing parents who need her to live up to specific standards, suddenly very studious(model minority mindset)
Lagoona- Latina ( constant anger issues and very dramatic,(feisty Latina trope)
Torelai - British (evil(this is a joke)
I donât think anything is inherently wrong with adding new ethnic backgrounds to characters, but it feels so flat in MH. I think of shows like Craig of the Creek when I want to think of good representation, for race and sexuality. And gender. The show has nonbinary characters, characters with queer sexualityâs, and tons of characters with different ethic backgrounds. Now they have the benefit of being human, but I think if MH just fleshed out the monster world and made things more of a parody like normal, I think it would be better. Like characters like skeletita feel more genuine because all the skeletons are Mexican skeletons candy characters. So she doesnât feel like the only one. Where lagoona is the only fish with an accent, maybe if she has a few fish friends from where she is from, it would help flesh her out more idk. This topic in very important to me so i wanna clarify that I donât hate the diversity I just want better from this show. If this was made in 2010 sure i would call it revolutionary but i expect more representation out of these new shows that claim to be oh so diverse! Comfirm cleos sexuality, make more nonbinary characters, have more characters be of the same or similar races, why do we only have one of each?idk idk
I love how your opnions abt the show match mine so much cause ive been feeling the excat same way abt clankie, ppl describe them as a âfast slow burnâ but they just arent. They just go from sometimes talking to frankie sundally being head over heels for cleo then back to barley talking w some the slightest bits of being romantic(by that i mean one shot of them sitting at a table) i truly dont blame ppl for wanting cleuce back cause these two had so much chemistry toghter so many ups and downs that clankie just doesnt have, ive been feeling the same way abt g3 habby too-it feels like we went from heath having a big crush on abbey to sundally them datin, it legit does feel(like you said) that their just catering to g1 fans, same w draclawd which is ironic cause i legit felt nothing when i saw heath ask abbey or clawd ask draculaura for prom despite loving them alot in g1-they just lack the fun dynamiacs the two couples had, draclawd being a himbo x bimbo Romeo/Juliet couple while habby having a jessica & roger rabbit dynamic, all they do now is just blush & hold hands thats rlly it - also honestly seeing frankie try to figure out this new feeling would be a really interesting concept, it would get me more on board w the ship-it could be a nice way to help kids who r still questioning its not something i see any show do they useally have the character already know their queer
(Yeah the club feels like a lowky retcon, its mentioned one time then completely vanishes never mentioned again-the way its introduced is so awkard too they just have drac tell us what it is then cut to ghoulia sitting in one if the chairs-it would feel much more natrual if again like you said it was used to further devlop clankie & to help frankie figure out their feelings, trying to live up to her exes is a rlly fun concept too n could work just as well)
Right, its why i say g1 was better at contextualizing the newer characters like why wasnt catrine at monster high? Oh yeah cus she lived in scaris before! Boom there done , now why did teez never show up before? Hell if i know đ€·đœââïž but his here now , also im the excat same way-i see ppl bash g1 for having random episodes that dont connect n are just random when it never set up to be a serialized show-its an episodic one, its like complaining shows like courage dont have one overarching story, g3 however DOES set up to be a serialized show, to have one overarching story yet it never allows conflicts to proced beyond one episode , like antoer user said it wants to be the next amphibia or owl house but its far too simplistic to make those showâs sort of story work-i strongly agree they should have just made it a simplistic episodic show w silly monster teen shenanigan like g1-its where monster high works best, the more serialized overarching story sort of format works much better for ever after high
Oh PLEASE do a post for the lore & mythology if ur up for it cus i have so MUCH to say about it n would love to see ur take on it, i honestly hate the whole were-ruler concept due to it being based on a popular misinformation that wolves have an alpha(im autistic & have a special interest in wolves so thats why it bugs me alot) it doesnt even make sense for most of the wereanimals-why would the werecats care about whos the alpha?? Their house cats they dont have a hierarchy and like you said it has nothing to do w the school, it feels like its just half assed into the show so they can have a big conflict, i honestly in general just cant stand the wereanimals-thats the ONLY monster we ever get in terms of new characters n all of them just act like wolves or even cats(clawd jumping onto the wall when scared), the human vs monster conflict is also done so horribly-the monsters r still framed as being a minority like in g1 okay yet the show constantly depicts the monsters as practicing how to kill humans, lagoona stating she has killed multiple sailors in her life & when clawdeens dad comes everyone in the school tries to eat him, the show litrealy justifies humans discriminating againest monsters yet we r supposed to see them as the marginalized ones? Even tho their the ones attacking humans unprovoked? Its giving me disneys zombies energy , also as someone who is a witch-i rlly cant stand drac or the depiction of witchcraft lol they made it a human practice yet dont AT ALL bother takinh inspiration from actual witchcraft, its all just pretty lights n goofy spells n like i get it its a kids show but come on at least try to take some inspiration, you could make witches a seperete monster like in g1 and nothing would change in the story there was no need to make it a human practice
Also yeah i strongly feel you on bloodgood, she got streaked by the âadorkableâ beam hard ,how i explain her is in g1 she actually felt like a guardian, she was characterized w how a teen might see their high school principal like (being very intimidating n rule following) in g3 however she acts like an adult sitcom character, shes also honestly such a hypercrite-she almost kills or well âexpelsâ toralei after she âfinds outâ shes a witch yet just tells draculaura to not show off when she finds out shes a witch (its also so weird how nightmare barley ever appers anymore since in g1 they two were always seen toghter, nightmare was almost a part of bloodgoons design i mean after all she is the headless horsemans daughter)
Also MAN the relief i felt when u noted how stereotypical the characters are-ppl always get upset at ppl saying this n pulling out excuses like âbut its not a stereotype some people are like this!!â Not getting thats litrealy what a stereotype is-its taking one aspect some ppl from a group has n applying it to the whole group, its not ppl making up things, like how lagoona is overly obbessed w telenovelas even tho shes 16-telenovelas are watched way more by the middle aged women then teen girls , it feels like they just slapped it there cus lagoonas latina n we ALL know latinas love their telenevolas am i right??(sarcasim) same thing w her having anger issues , why does it HAVE to be lagoona?? Why cant anyone else have anger issues?? Manny is litrealy right there he had that in g1
I also agree with everything you said-i would just add that the issue w the new ethnic backgrounds is they took away already prexisting representation, by that im refering to the wolf family-there was no need to make clawdeen biracial now when she was already a diverse character(being monoracial Black) n its even more upsetting when aside from drac all the other white main characters got to keep their race, their all still monoracial white , i remeber reading the show bible where it says nonbinary is normalized in monster high that it has tons of nonbinary characters-yet thats not what we actually see in the show, the only nonbinary character is frankie everyone else stayed cis it feels even more wrong to me since âfrankensteinâ is a common insult cis ppl throw at trans ppl, it feels wrong that in this massive school the only nonbinary character is the frankenstein monster
Yes I used to post on twitter about my MH opinions but they arenât conversational at allđso I am glad that we can talk like this as well! Thank you lmao.
I think ultimately even though I sound like a G1 purist, g1 relationships had better build up for their main couples. Clawd and draculaura have the Romeo and Juliet vibe, so audiences root for them even more! Deuce and Cleo almost break up, and audiences fight for them to stay together. And lagoona and Gill seem to be destined to be apart but she fights for her relationship. And when they did side character coupling, the side characters often got either a few episodes, a BPlot in a movie or the main(rochell and garcon (?). In MHG1 the main ghouls helped audiences root for side character relationships. And most relationships were cute simple pairs (like two zombies together, iris and manny, scarah and invisibilly). G3 fails me because half of these characters have no personality and no drama ever. Lagoona and gill? They just get together and THEN a sudden conflict that comes out of nowhere happens, but it doesnât even strain their relationship. Frankie finally wants to ask Cleo out, but oh no, DUECE asked Frankie first??đđthat scene pissed me off so bad, like I would have rather had Frankie over hear deuce making plans to ask Cleo (something) but they assume itâs a prom proposal and get flustered or something idk đ. I feel like the main issue with the relationships as a whole right now, have to deal with the writers. Because Iâm unfortunately not a fan of G1 clawdeen x torelai at all. I was very disappointed when I found out they were going to be canonically together, and their comic had the least explanation đ. And this isnât to say that every WLW relationship has to have a perfect explanation, but for clawdeen and TORELAI?? I absolutely need one. Torelai was a notorious jerk to not just clawdeen, but all of her friends and family. A lot of people defend them, stating enemies to lovers, but I am not a fan of enemies to lovers, but the enemy is like an actual jerk jerk, for certain media. (If itâs a darker tone of media Iâll indulge I wonât lie, but what comes to mind is catradora đ«„ catra was horrible to adora and it just made me uncomfortable how adora just still repeatedly went back to her idk) I adore, a really good rivals to lovers. Where itâs contained between two characters and they are each others enemies but itâs nothing necessarily too insane. I feel like I would be more lenient if it was G3 clawdeen but..it might end up being a clankie situation.
And yes the stereotypes just feel so off to me. I didnât even get the draculaura one until a friend pointed it out to me. And youâre absolutely right about clawdeen. I myself am a mono-racial black woman, and I was in my feelings about her being mixed. At first I thought it was Afro Latina and just African American Black but my friend told me that sheâs specifically half something. So that definitely sucked a lot for me. Iâm a heavy advocate for including diversity where it wasnât before, but I struggled with why I felt so uncomfortable by clawdeens sudden Latino decent. Itâs not a fully fledged thought yet, but something about making her mixed seems like they donât want to commit to a fully black girl main character. Her mom has straight hair and as a result clawdeen has this off pink wavy hair texture (while her brother in doll form, gets actual curls on his doll..). Despite being Afro Latina now, she doesnât speak spanish, and the culture seems so empty within the household. Like miles morales is Afro Latino, and it comes through in his FULL Spanish sentences, his interactions with his parents and how he traverses the world. Clawdeen and clawd literally bond overâŠtamales?? Add lagoona in there and her and clawd will literally just say Spanish phrases. Itâs a thin line for me. I think itâs a step in a good direction, but I would like for the characters to either reflect their origins a lot more through clothing and cultural traditions (instead of draculaura getting her sweet 1600, make it lagoona getting a quinceañera! (Quince-scare-a idk they can figure it out)
And yes Iâm absolutely going to make a post on the mythology, just gotta organize my ânotesâ because itâs all over the place đ. Things like the talismans, (how did principal bloodgood not know that a human was present at the creation of MH⊠adding the humans just felt like a way for them to official retcon the human hate. âLook humans were a type of monster!ââŠokay pal). I want to talk about the were-creatures because they way they did them in this generation is so frustrating to me as well. Were wolves are inherently half human half wolf creatures, so whatâs so significant about a half human werewolf?? Itâs redundant. Especially if the majority of the powers clawdeen has, comes from the talisman anyways. And I do hate when they do a thing thatâs like âoh this group of people oppresses this other group and thatâs bad!â âWhy are they oppressed?â âOh well they actively kill members of the other groupâŠbut itâs still wrong to not like them!!â I watched an anime called Brand New Animal, and it was a humans versus were-creatures. But the were creatures actively had a gene in their bodyâs that made them ultra violentâŠand they even started killing each otherâŠhow horrible~ and it just made me so uncomfortable. (It felt like an allegory for black on black crime and marginalized races just being savages by nature..) I also just want to inquire about all the other monster types at the school, and the conflict they have. Like why is heaths dad hades? And why is it Disney hades not even actual hades đ. What role does Dracula actually play in the grand scheme of things, and how come no one of authority, who knew clawdeens mom Selena, recognized clawdeen immediately?? Or at least her necklace?? Like bloodgood just thought she was some random human girl. Are you guys not actively looking for the faculty member you lost?? She was freaking were-ruler???
Tbh i personally dont think u sound like a g1 purist at all(granted i also hate that term as its just used to shut valid critiques, esp from poc) i also hated the âOH NO DEUCE IS ASKING FRANKIE INSTEAD!!â It was so forced & cringe to watch, OH NO !! Deuce asked frankie & cleo if they-wanna go the prom as friends OH NO TRULY TERRIBLE SUCH DRAMA!!/sarcasim, for toradeen tho i ironically prefer g1 over g3-yeah toralei was a jerk but that was rlly it-she was just annoying, In g3 she was straight out racist despite the show pretending like she never was-she straight out complined about clawdeen being in MH just cause shes part human-its a big issue i had w their suddon friendship too n her defending clawdeen from her mon cus like?? Girl didnt u litrealy say the same things abt clawdeen?? I do agree however that the comic should have focused on them getting toghter-i was dissapointed to find out it was mainly abt two new characters & not how the two girls got toghter
The stereotyping doesnt stop at race/enthicity-twyla got a very high pitched voice n while yes the actress is autistic & has a voice like that shea confirmed she wanted the actress to make her voice high-she wanted twyla to be âadorableâ n as someone who is autistic-this all just comes off as infantalizing - also your friends completly right, clawdeens bio specificly lists her as being âa biracial humanâ , her mom is most likely to just be a darkskinned mestiza woman and yeah like you said clawdeen being latina doesnt at all effect anything abt her character outside of her brother & mom havin accents, it feels like a last mintue addition(the first time it was ever mentioned was in her music video-not even the movie) you can take it out n nothing would change unlike other afro-latine characters like miles, that tamale scene was also rlly cringy to see-so many Mexicans called out how the two of them were eating it incorrectly(eating it w the shell) they didnt even do the bare minimum research on the food they were representing đ
I would love to see it once its up! I actually had a mutual of mine point out that frankie having a tailsman makes no sense, their the only frankenstein monster-why would there be an acient tool made for a monster that wont come to exist till now?? While i am glad they did go the âclawdeen only changes into a human cus shes part humanâ like the movies did-the âhalf humanâ plot is still a really cringe terrible metaphor for being biracial & can be easily taken out just like witches being humans,like you said werewolves r already half human(w the word itself translating to âman wolfâ) n clawdeen + clawd themselves r litrealy no diffetent then the other werewolves, we already had much better characters in g1 that served as a metaphor for being biracial (jackson & the hybreds) , Beasters & Z-O-M-B-I-E-S also had a similar plot to brand new animal n its so uncomfantable- monster high was the few medias i seen that actually tackled the race metaphors rlly well since the monsters were rlly no different then humans just in apperence, it was so refreshing to see so now having them activly go n kill innocent humans n even try to eat their friends human dad is so depressing
I seen ppl explain that hades is actually satan but they just had to call him hades instead cus of christain parents n that to me is (no offensive) BS-heaths dad was always plained to be hades, the issue is america loves to insert christanity into everything so assume hades must be just like satan when his not
The school not realising clawdeen is selenas daughter reminds me of how hazbin hotel has husk(alasters slave) be an overlord(an important figure in the shows ver of hell) yet no one not even LUCIFERS DAUGHTER realises that he is an overlord
Thank you for not thinking Iâm a G1 purist đ, Iâm a huge fan of the franchise as a whole and there are things I like about G3, but it missed the mark for me 1000%
And yes honestly youâre right about G3 torelai x clawdeen orz, Iâm trying to give the Toradeen fans something lmao. But G3 torelai also just fits into my distaste of enemies to lovers, because like you said she is racist đđđđ and idk how or why clawdeen came to trust her at all omg. I get it, she did one selfless act and now you see the good in her, they had to write her out of being a jerk somehow. But itâs just no fun. Torelai this season is more akin to G1 Cleo, sheâs vain and bossy and wants to be respected. But G1 cleo wasnât mean to EVERYONE, she had her ride or die ghoulia, she loved deuce, and sheâs like normal vain teenage girl mean, not âew you dirty humanâ.
And I didnât even think of the Twyla stereotyping. Critiquing autism and autistic characters is so hard because it is a spectrum, and not one character is going to represent all. But it becomes a little iffy when itâs supposed to be a spectrum but a lot of characters share similar traits/ stereotypes. I feel like the big 3 in autism traits most characters have are -bad eye contact, needs noise canceling head phones, one special interest(typically in something academic like reading or learning the history of a specific animal. Also the special interest will conveniently line up with said characters job). I donât think any of these things are inherently bad or wrong or ableist, but i would like to see something new. I head canon G3 Frankie to be autistic. I know itâs because theyâre new, so they take everything very literal, but thatâs something I see more often with my own friends on the spectrum over them needing noise canceling headphones idk. Also whereâs the food sensory issues or clothing sensory issues?
(It didnât even register to me that they were eating the whole dang tamale omg đđ thatâs so unserious)
And the whole talismans thing in general will definitely get a whole rant because they seem so important yet they are scattered across all of monster high. Why wasnât anyone looking for Selena wolf when she disappeared? No one thought to gather the tailsmen? How new are some of these tailsmen and where do they come from? Like if gorgons werenât allowed at MH until dueces mom, how is there a talisman? What about a zombie tailsmen? If they hate humans, shouldnât Frankie feel some kind of way because theyâre the child of victor frankenstine? A human??? Lagoonas thirst for human blood is just not fun lmao. It seems like the only way they could think to make her âscaryâ. And on clawdeens parentsâŠis the mom not going to get any flack for marrying a human?? I think catarina hated it but like no one else even cared đđ
Hazbin hotel is a whole different rant đ. Youâre telling me, the DAUGHTER of LUICIFER, is offering a free ticket to heaven, and no one cares?? People arenât lining up at her door begging to be let in??đ no one could tell vagatha is an angel? Like you said, no one knew husk was an overlord? No one cared that allistor was back in town?? The angels donât care when Adam cusses and swears, but when Charlie does it, itâs disrespectfulâŠ? So angel dust confides in husk about hating his job after being SAed and husks response is âeh weâre all losers get over itâ. Why is Sir Snake Guy in heavenâŠ? Like it makes no sense to međđ that show is a completely different bag of worms. Once again interesting premise but terrible execution
Tbh i mainly only like the g3 dolls-the medias are just an utter mess(ESPICALLY the movies)
Thats very fair lmao i made a post abt it but i never got the whole âtoradeen only makes sense in g3!! Make it canon there!!â Some fans have cus like-girlie are you sure we r talking abt the same g3 toralei?? Its the one w the awful british accent who wanted clawdeen removed from monster high for being half human & also tried to ruin draculaura, clawdeens best friend, life by exposing her as a witch - your also right, clawdeen sundally trusting toralei cause she did one selfless act makes no sense, the episodes petroyal of toralei was so ooc n made no sense as a whole-they did a whole 180 and decided toralei was actually never racist(even tho she was) it was just her mom, then they had her n clawdeen act like besties n have toralei call her a friend even tho just an episode ago toralei tried to ruin her life like hello?? Since when were they friends?? - also again your right, while i do think g1 cleos redeemption was somewhat rushed too cleo was never an actual threat, she was never bigotted, she was just vain & bossy but you can see that she wasnt all that bad, unlike g3 toralei
Yeah critiquing autism stereotypes is p diffcult like you said-i myself was on the fence abt critiquing twylas voice cus of the actress voice being already high pitched, but after again seeing shea say she wanted twyla to be âadorableâ(n mind you twas the ONLY character she described lime that, not even draculaura even tho shes supposed to be the cutesy one) n heard that âautistic women r more likely to have high pitched voicesâ (which is based on a wrong belief that theres female autism & male autism) that went away real fast lol it feels uncomfantable to look at g3 twyla now w that context in mind, especially when her fashion is very cery child leaning n her theme switched from bugs to mainly bunnies even tho it wasnt in g1 - i also headcanon frankie as autistic in honestly all gens, i remeber shea commented on the compleint abt ghoulia being able to talk now saying she acknowladges alot of autistic ppl looked up to her but she âwanted to chellenge zombie stereotypesâ that pissed me off SO SO much my other autistic friends who like mh also hated that statment she made
While she raâs represention of autism was horrible too(w how the allistic characters treated entrapta) i do think entrapta herself is still one of the beat autistic characters i seen-shes not just a shy quiet reserved person like every other autistic person shes rlly loud n blunt as well as struggles w personal boundries & takes things too litreal , she even has food sensories (only eating tiny food) i really wish we got more autistic characters like her (shes even an adult woc-which we barley barley ever see)
(Yeah its THE first thing thing i seen latine fans post abt-imagine patting yourself on the back for making a character latine only to be bashed by latines for not doing the most basic research LMAO)
See a zombie tailsman would make much much more sense then a fucking frankenstein tailsman-those actually existed for ages unlike frankie, hell frankie could still use it even if it was a zombie tailsman cus they are just a zombie(even tho the show pretends like their not even an undead monster) the show did confirm that frankie was built by monsters not humans which is even WORSE-esp when one of the parents is a zombie, why in the world would a zombie go around n take other corpseâs parts?? His violating other zombies automany n stealing their parts why isnt he shunned for that?? Same w the mom even tho shes a troll shes violating other monsterâs autonomy-i seen ppl compare g3 lagoona to GIR from invader zim n thats honestly an insult to GIR he was actually funny & cute, lagoonas just annoying n a try hard
Dude i swear we r just straight out twinning in regards to our opnions LMAO ive been making some posts ranting abt how terrible hazbin hotel is n its so ironic to me how it and monster high g3 share so much in common even tho g3 is more praised-like w selena wolf & her husband, helluva boss did the same thing w beelzebub dating a hellhound yet no one cares even tho hellhounds are on the lowest tier , i do think hazbins worse then mh g3 but man its funny to me how both so much in common in regards to issues lol
I enjoy the G3 dolls as well! The fashion leaves much to be desired but the physical dolls are cute sometimes. đAnd yes I loved entrapta! I need more characters like her! The cutesy autism rep is getting out of hand đ.
The relationship between the zombies and Frankie was something so brief in G1 I believe. It was stated they were cousins, and Frankie is made out of dead humans, not necessarily undead humans. And sheâs reanimated just like how zombies are~ I believe Frankie and ghoulia are cousins in G1 (Iâm sure itâs kind of a joke). But the zombies of G3 are pushed to the side and Frankie is definitely an Astro boy before they are a franken monster đđ thereâs no connection at all. And lagoona is no where near Gir levels. thatâs absurd. Like you said gir was cute! And sure lagoona is cute, but her personality is plain. Sheâs a chomper..okayyyâŠoh she likes bloodâŠoh kayy. Sheâs supposed to be scary and dangerous but they literally never treat her like she is đ
And I think hazbin has similar writing issues as monster high G3, because both are rushing and they rely on viewers knowing outside information to understand their story. They do very little world building and tons of verbal exposition. How do we know that draculaura and Charlie have daddy issues? Because they literally just say it. They never show it đđ(Charlie is the worst because wym you have father issues but your father is literally your number 1 fanâŠhuh? Idk i was expecting something else). They both are trying to have a robust fantasy setting but they do nooo work to flesh out that setting. And the locations are super limited. Iâll give G3 some grace since itâs 3D, but no grace for hazbin đ
I feel like the fashion is somewhat improving, monster fest is legitmently BREATHTAKING and ngl core refresh frankieâs outfit feels legitmently like something out of g1, it has that same scene kid inspo but yeah the physical dolls themselves r the best part i still am in awe they actually made catty be fat instead of just thin & curvy â and for real!! Entrapta felt so much more relatable to me then majority of the cutesy shy autistic characters , she even got into a relationship w hordak who has chronic illness, i dont see much shows explore couples where both ppl r disabled(granted hordak is also a villain but still)
Even if it is a joke-frankie & ghoulia being cousions is a cute ifea, i like when media give frankenstein monsters random family members , also astro boy is such an accraute description of g3 frankie i honestly cant stand how much superpowers they gave them-the whole âtheir brain is made of the worlds greatestâ in specific makes me so uncomfantable - honestly if lagoona was chatacterized as being like a scene girl then i would better get the GIR comparrison & find her cute, it wont feel so racist n be a nice way to reference the fact g1 was made cus sanders was inspired by 2000s alt girls
LITREALYY U GET IT!! Both shows rushed their biggest arc in just one season when it should have continued longer to better devlop it (the tailsman & the angel battle) and now their just throwing darts at a wall to figure out what to do next , alot of the relationships r also extremly random & just forced in , like alaster & charlie being father & daughter like or draculaura & heath being apprantly childhood best friends - even their already plained relationships like chaggie & clankie feel so random n not all that devloped or interesting
Yes the new doll body types are so interesting!! (I do wish sometimes the community changed the way they speak about the characters sizes, because I remember them praising draculaura for being a 'fat' girl when she definitely isn't đ. I think she should have a body more similar to catty before being called fat idk idk. (Also also I want more male body types!!!! Give me short heath or something!!!"
And scene girl lagoona would be peak!! Scene anyone! I do think the fashion has gotten leagues better, and I hope they start fleshing out everyone's subcultures more!! Everyone feels a little samey if not for a bat pattern or a cat pattern idk. Like I want to see clothes that are like "yes draculaura would wear this, not JUST because it's pink but because this is her style!"(I also want them to bring back more simple patterns like the argyle or zipper patterns or simple heart patterns)
( and yesh I could go on for a good hour about Frankie's brain đ omg)
And yes the rushed arc into one season sucks so bad! To an extent I understand, you never know if your show is going to get cancelled (so why not make it slice of life instead of a Hogwarts battle every episode. Have your underlying story but keep things fun and light hearted. Save your big story elements for a potential movie or something)
Monster high G3 rant
Watching the TV series and Iâm kind of disappointed.
This will be my second watch of season 1, Iâm rewatching after the current season 2 episodes.
the show feels very flat in my opinion. Theyâve given the characters a lot of cool traits, but theyâre used for like one episode and then never brought up, or they only use one specific trait 24/7. Like Frankie in this generation, they have the ability to electrocute, extend their body parts, and they get visions from the people theyâre made out of. Specifically they get visions from this one recurring doctor/ scientist. The idea is cool, but the vision literally is there to give exposition about something conveniently. Like when they are trying to solve the puzzle of clawdeens mom, Frankieâs vision just conveniently tells them what to do and how to do it.
In that same episode, we see manny taur. A Minotaur character. And right away we are just told that heâs good at puzzle solving, and so is draculaura! Theyâre rivals! But this is the first time Iâve ever seen or heard about draculaura being into puzzles, let alone her one sided rivalry with manny. And as the episode ends, sheâs like âwell you can be the rightful puzzle masterâ but it feels so flat. There has been no build up to this moment.
Another example is lagoona. In her designated episode, she is rooting for torelai to win the fear-leading captain over draculaura (another thing that has no build up as to why itâs important to her) lagoona explains that torelai is holding a secret over her head, and if it gets out she will lose her status as the fiercest monster in school. But this is the first time we have heard this!! In previous episodes thereâs no mention of her being scary or fierce. Or even her super fast swimming skills. Itâs just brought up and glosses over with a âbe who you are, itâs okay to like what you want! We all have secrets đ„čâ but thereâs no real character development.
My last example will be the way draculaura is presented in this series. From what she tells us, she has high standards to live up to as a vampire. She needs to look good for her day so she studies endlessly and is striving for perfection. But she also has a love for witchcraft, which is banned in monster high due to its connections to humans. This can be a cute premise, but they NEVER show draculaura compared to any other vampire to show how sheâs supposed to act. They never give us episodes where she blows off her friendâs shenanigans because it makes her look bad, and they never really show her dad being so overbearing. They donât show us WHY humans are hated. And even though witchcraft is banned, whenever anyone finds out about it theyâre just cool with it? No push back or anything. The only character to challenge draculaura was torelai.
This all may be very nitpicky, but MH is a character driven franchise. Character relationships with each other and their surroundings are very important to me. I want to feel the so called pressure these characters are being put under. It doesnât have to be ultra serious 24/7, but issues get resolved within one episode and then rehashed a few episodes later with no further development. Especially with characters like Cleo and lagoona. They have been benched as side characters in this show, and side characters get much worse treatment.
âThe general episode progression is like this - introduce an issue, introduce a high stakes situation that involves the school, have all or one of the main 3 engage in a sequence of fights against this issue(or rapid solving of said issue through convince) - issue is resolved and lesson is told to viewers-characters reset for the next episode.
I know this is a childrenâs show, but that doesnât mean it needs to have bad writing, not all kids are high off cocomelon. Kids deserve good writing in their media!
My next rant will be about clawdeen and her story this generation
I agree with this criticism. The G3 cartoon seems to be try filling in the "Vaguely Western Isekai fantasy cartoon with overarching plot" space that The Owl House, Amphibia and SVTFOE had on Disney since Nickelodeon hasn't had a serialized fantasy show in ages but the character writing is way too simplistic for it to work and the world building outside of random factoids is non-existent.
Draculaura is honestly the most insuffrable one in the show-i dont get how ppl say shes better here then in g1 cus like girlie cant go a DAY w/o trying to one up someone intentionally or not, oh ghoulia wants to be star student to be an example for zombies?? Nope drac wants to be one too and sheâll cheat for it!! Mannys into puzzles? Great so is drac now!!
Even her supposed âchildhood friendshipâ w heath feels so forced n out of nowhere-since when were those two childhood friends excuse me?? That was never once mentioned in season 1
Thats also not going into how controling she acted over witchcraft-she bashed skelita for wanting to do witchcraft for fun WHEN THATS WHY SHE WANTED TO DO WITCHCRAFT TOO she wantef to do it for fun, it has no deeper meaning for her other then its fun, the episode never even calls out her hypocrisy on it
Yess honestly draculaura is a character that feels like they donât know what they want to do with her. With my second rewatch of season 1, Iâm noticing that the main 3 ghouls (Frankie,clawdeen, and draculaura) all share similar elements. They are all studious, love research, and they excel at a lot of things. It makes the character variation seem so bland.
And draculauras story is so unclear along with clawdeens. Like she only gets âcharacter developmentâ when sheâs trying to suddenly one up someone, when she suddenly has this skill or ability that hasnât been used prior. It can be frustrating because how are you a âknow it allâ one episode, but you know nothing the next.
Like when the boo crew meets Twyla, draculaura says that sheâs known her since they were kids, but she fails to recognize Twyla in her shadow form. She also knew that Twyla didnât like loud noises, but she canât put 2-2 together?
To add to @the-ghost-rat âs point, the fear leading team. All of a sudden Draculaura wants to be a fear leader, and not just ANY she wants to be the captain?!
The fear leading team in MHG1 was used to give Cleo some character development. She was vain and bossy, but through fear leading you learn about why she acts the way she acts, and itâs something important and integral to her character. In MHG1 joining the fear leading team was a big deal, especially to Cleo! But in MHG3 itâs like a past time for draculaura. It feels like they added it in just for the sake of having it.
It could work if they were doing a thing thatâs like - draculaura has to be the best at everything because if sheâs not it looks bad on her father. maybe give her some older siblings that carved a legacy out before she arrived, and she has huge shoes to fill. So she fights hard to be the best at everything but over the course of the show you see itâs wearing her thin. Her siblings had each other, to branch off and be the best at a cooking class, fear leading, puzzle solving. But she only has herself and itâs a lot of pressure and sheâs fumbling a lot because she canât do it all. She took the fearleading mantle away from her friend who actually cares about it, and she has to be content with not being the best at everything and she apologizes for constantly getting in the way of her friendâs success.
You honestly put my thoughts into words, she feels boderline(as much as i hate the word its the best way to explain it) like a âmary sueâ she always acts selfish , controling and mean yet she doesnt get much consiquences outside of someone getting slightly upset at her , her friendship w heath & twyla add to it too-like you said it makes no sense that despite being childhood friends w twyla drac didnt know her shadow form or that shes the one who stole the music box, it just feels like its thrown in to show how great , nice & awsome drac is n how everyone loves her expt for toralei-the litreal mean girl anatagnist
Also yeah the characters not having variety is an issue w majority of the cast :/ their all some flavour of ânice awkard quirky & friendlyâ the lack of accents doesnt help either cus they blend in even more like i just couldnt bring myself to care abt anyone n it feels like not even the crew does cause tons of characters r thrown in the background after they served their porpose in one episode(like spectra , nefera , etc) deuce is supposed to be part of the main three (like the intro shows) yet his just there to hype up clankie n be the token male character
Honestly that critique can apply to clawdeen joining the casketball-since when was girlie into caketball?? Since when did she show she wanted to join it?? She was obv more into fearleading , it comes off as she just joined casketball cus they forgot her doll had her be a casketball player
Honestly thats not a bad idea-they coukd have done that w elizzabat, bring her back but make her draculauras older sister, i mean girlie was straight out the vampire queen & a movie star in g1 it could be an interesting parallel to nefera n cleo in g1(yes they still have that conflict in g3 but its a nothing burger, its resolved in one episode then nefera vanishes, besides w her not being a villain shes just boring)
I agree with everything you just said lmao. The endlessly adorkable characters feel bland and uninteresting, side characters like deuce and spectra get little to nothing. (and imma say Cleo as well. Honestly rewatching the clankie episodes, I realize how little Cleo and Frankie actually hung out. Cleo helps Frankie in like one episode, and then the next episode Frankie is crushing on Cleo. And that would be cool, but Cleoâs character is reduced to literally âIâm just here when the boo crew isnât available~ Iâll help anyone~. But any clankie episodes, Cleo feels wildly out of character, as she needs to become a damsel in distressâs for Frankie to help her. (I can go on a whole clankie rant đ€ŠđŸââïž I thought it was cute but now Iâm like,,,))
And I think have Elissabat would have been a good foil for draculaura, at this point any vampire thatâs not her parents đ. Idk if itâs because of the budget, but the lack of different background characters can feel so jarring at times, especially when itâs time for said BG character to get their special lore drop episode, or when new models of characters get introduced, like mouscedes and teez (the skunk). Wym theyâre all of a sudden apart of the were-pack when we have never seen them until now, and then clawdeen is just like âtell us about yourself!â And they both get exposition dumps. (But the whole point of that episode was that clawdeen didnât know ANYONE, so why only ask mousecedes and teez about themselves and then have some âAH-HAâ moment??)
And the G3 Cleo and nefra conflict is borderline non existent. Unlike in G1, nefra actually adores her sister. And sheâs happy to be around her, and Cleo just comes off as over dramatic because thereâs never any real threat. Thereâs no build up to the great nefra in G3, itâs time for cleo to have her episode, so they throw in some reason for nefra to be there. âOh nefra was the lead in all the school plays, plays that the audience didnât even know MH was hosting? And this year the play us cleopatra? Convenient for the Cleo episode I guess.
And duece is such a strange character because, whatâs his deal? His previous history with the ghouls is non existent except for him dating Cleo, something that never gets brought up. (This also just reminds me of how thereâs like hardly any romance outside of clankie wow). We also just get random lore drops that all of a sudden, he needs to be the best at a lot of things because Gorgons never lose, and they have to over perform due to the discrimination they faced way back whenâŠbut before the episode where duece tells us all that, heâs like a bump on a log. How come he never challenges draculaura? Are gorgons only supposed to be good at sports??
Omg im SO glad you feel that way abt clankie cus i dont get the hype AT ALL đ like where did frankie get the sudden crush on cleo?? Wheres the build up?? The two barley even interacted n now deuce n cleo cant even interact on their own w/o frankie being there , i hate how you cant say anything negative abt clankie or fans will claim ur just âg1 puristist who hates representationâ bcus no-there are legitment reasons to critique the pairing, i appricate represention but i would like to have actual lead up to a couple-same thing w toralei & clawdeens friendship, we never even get an episode where we actually see toralei & clawdeen actually make things up n become friends-toralei just goes from being a racist bully to seeing clawdeen as her friend (ironically-its a simliar issue i have to lumity-theres no buildup to amity devloping feelings for luz)
I feel like random characters appering was an issue all the way back in g1 w characters like twyla but i feel like g1 at least attempted to better contextualize where these characters were, plus they actually lined up w the dolls that were being released, in g3 we already got to see mousecedes , spectra & the werecat twins ages before their dolls came out(mousecdes STILL didnt get her doll) theres such a massive disconnect between the new doll characters being introduced n the characters being shown in the cartoon the two are just spoliering eachother
I seen ppl compare g3 nefera & cleo to hey arnolds helga & olga cus neferas nice when umm no the two are nothing alike-yes olga was nice but helga wasnt, the conflict wasnt solved in one episode it keepet going n showed how it effected helgas personality n mental state, if anything g1 nefera & cleo are more comparable to helga & olga-that aside tho i legit cant stand nefera in this gen which is ironic cus shes nice lol it just took away the whole point of why nefera was mean while clawdeens siblings r nice, it was a good way to show kids the difference between a good sibling relationship and a bad one
Yeah the issue w deuce ties back to what i said abt clankie-he cant even interact w cleo alone w/o frankie being there, he litrealy is just there to hype up clankie his a non-character despite again being part of the main trio like the intro showed, he wasnt all that deep in g1 either but he still got tons of memrable moments n was a pretty clever subversion of a common trope-in that his a jock dating the popular rich girl but he wasnt mean he was actually rlly nice (there also actually is other romances but their forgotten after one or two episodes, like draculaura + clawd, gill + lagoona , a whole ass bear + nefera & finn + spectra, the only one thats as consist as clankie is abbey + heath)
Also tbh i hate how so damn bigotted the school is now-like i get bigotry is invitable even in an accepting school like monster high but jesus everytime we learn anything new abt the school the entire âa school meant for all monsters!â Message falls flat-they didnt accept yetis, they discriminated against gorgons , they banned witchcraft like jesus what ISNT this school bigotted againest? There was some bigotry in the school in g1 but that was from the student and it wasnt so massive that the morals of the school come to question, it makes me hate that bloodgoon is Black now cus it feels rlly uncomfantable to have a Black woman be so bigotted towerds anyone who isnt like her unlike her white counterpart
Yes I just finished the last few episodes of the season, and clankie just had no time to cook. If you take all the clankie clips in isolation, back to back, it seems cute and genuine, but after binge watching this season again, Iâm realizing how little they actually interacted. This goes for all the couples. Couples like heath and Abby need seem like theyâre catering to G1 fans just a tad. Like Iâm expecting these characters to like each other because thatâs how I remember it, so as the viewer I can cut them some slack. But in reality the characters just donât develop enough during the shows long runtime. And this makes clankie stand out more in my opinion as they have no previous history with viewers and old fans, so they really needed to convince us that they actually like each other, but it fell short for me personally. I enjoy clankie fan art and Iâm rooting for them to get a 2 pack eventually, but I do still think they fall very short for me. Like it feels so out of character that Frankie wouldnât tell their friends about their crush on Cleo, or if Cleo caught feelings, we should have gotten an episode of Cleo trying out terrible online dating advice (or seeking out advice from lagoona because I guess sheâs a romantic?). But the two most vocal characters just keep to themselves? Frankie isnât curious about this new feeling they have? Maybe Iâm asking for too much, but Iâm sure they could have pulled it off if the episodes were paced better, that goes for all the couples. Itâs also weird to bring up Cleo and deuce used to date but Cleo herself never acknowledges that. Itâs only ever deuce who brings it up. Also the monster ball episode, Iâm assuming was a way to confirm certain ship dynamics, but I wished we got an episode where Cleo and Frankie actually said they like each other. :\
(Also on another note, they have a club for queer monsters but Frankie never talks about their crush on CleoâŠfeels like a perfect opportunity. Also I would have liked to see some tension when it came to if Cleo is even into nonbinary femmes. Maybe have a conflict of Frankie trying to live up to all of Cleoâs amazing exs (some can be girls) and make them all super cool and unique idk)
Monster high generation 1 was able to get away with random characters because of the movies! The movies helped flesh out new characters. And the webisodes were extra character development. Side characters often would have a few episodes dedicated to them if they were completely new. Or they would flesh out reoccurring background characters like iris and scarah. I think I have a bigger magnifying glass on generation 3, because they are trying to actively have lore and be more character driven. With character conflicts so I expect more out of this series than I would MHG1, which pretty much had teenage girls as monsters. Which I liked to be honest, I think G3 needed more silly typical teenage stuff. One moment these characters are being babied by their parents, and next they are solely responsible for stopping constant terrors going on at the school. Even events like cheerleading and prom feel flat because thereâs no build up. Clankie would be a lot better if they built up throughout the season this big dance that you can take your crush to, and Frankie and all the other ships can interact with that in mind. I wanna see the ghouls shopping, going to the movies, the mall, having fun enjoying themselves. All they seem to do is study or do random activities.
And yes the MH bigotry is very strange, I might do a whole separate post ranting about this generations lore and mythology. Since they donât flesh out the world beyond the school enough, things like âwere-rulerâ feel so bland to me. Like is it really important? And what does it necessarily have to do with MH? The show frames monster high as the only school in the monster world, yet some monsters are banned? For what? Itâs hard to understand the monsters motive, because they hate humans who areâŠuh human i guess, but they also hate random species of monsters? And most of the hate is boiled down to âthis monster was a little destructiveâ but every monster has their freaky monster ways, why would they see it as weird? My biggest gripe is the whole âwe hate humansâ mentality. They give like 0 reason to hate humans, and if witchcraft is banned because itâs a human practice and they got betrayed by a human, why arenât were creatures banned for having human forms? And what all constitutes as magic? Because allot of the monsters in the school have magical powers, or magical things happen in the school, so why is learned magic the devil? Catarina, torelais mom used magic to steal monsterâs abilityâs (just like the old tale), Cleo has some mummy magical abilities, would dueces stone powers not be magic? Iâm just going to guess itâs more of the practice of magic, but draculaura never did anything in my opinion that was âwitchcraftyâ.
And principal blood good is probably one of my least favorite characters in the show. Sheâs a lot goofier than her G1 counterpart and I never take her seriously as a threat. Especially when it comes to her finding out draculaura is a witch. Sheâs easy to trick and her one gag is her head falling off. Sheâs very forgiving and super clumsy. Iâve never seen her take anything seriously. Unlike in G1, she wasnât strict but rules were rules, and since she wasnât around too often, her presence felt like a big deal. But she did care about her students and the school and actively tried to make things right often. The new goofy bloodgood just kills my vibe. I thought her being black was a cool idea, but I didnât think they would make her so traditionalist.
(This is probably for a later post but) the characters getting new ethic backgrounds was something I was excited for, until they started being boiled down to stereotypes.
Clawdeen-mixed kid (literally half human half wolf) canât fit in with her two races (very cliche mixed kid tropes in my opinion)
Draculaura -asian (over bearing parents who need her to live up to specific standards, suddenly very studious(model minority mindset)
Lagoona- Latina ( constant anger issues and very dramatic,(feisty Latina trope)
Torelai - British (evil(this is a joke)
I donât think anything is inherently wrong with adding new ethnic backgrounds to characters, but it feels so flat in MH. I think of shows like Craig of the Creek when I want to think of good representation, for race and sexuality. And gender. The show has nonbinary characters, characters with queer sexualityâs, and tons of characters with different ethic backgrounds. Now they have the benefit of being human, but I think if MH just fleshed out the monster world and made things more of a parody like normal, I think it would be better. Like characters like skeletita feel more genuine because all the skeletons are Mexican skeletons candy characters. So she doesnât feel like the only one. Where lagoona is the only fish with an accent, maybe if she has a few fish friends from where she is from, it would help flesh her out more idk. This topic in very important to me so i wanna clarify that I donât hate the diversity I just want better from this show. If this was made in 2010 sure i would call it revolutionary but i expect more representation out of these new shows that claim to be oh so diverse! Comfirm cleos sexuality, make more nonbinary characters, have more characters be of the same or similar races, why do we only have one of each?idk idk
I love how your opnions abt the show match mine so much cause ive been feeling the excat same way abt clankie, ppl describe them as a âfast slow burnâ but they just arent. They just go from sometimes talking to frankie sundally being head over heels for cleo then back to barley talking w some the slightest bits of being romantic(by that i mean one shot of them sitting at a table) i truly dont blame ppl for wanting cleuce back cause these two had so much chemistry toghter so many ups and downs that clankie just doesnt have, ive been feeling the same way abt g3 habby too-it feels like we went from heath having a big crush on abbey to sundally them datin, it legit does feel(like you said) that their just catering to g1 fans, same w draclawd which is ironic cause i legit felt nothing when i saw heath ask abbey or clawd ask draculaura for prom despite loving them alot in g1-they just lack the fun dynamiacs the two couples had, draclawd being a himbo x bimbo Romeo/Juliet couple while habby having a jessica & roger rabbit dynamic, all they do now is just blush & hold hands thats rlly it - also honestly seeing frankie try to figure out this new feeling would be a really interesting concept, it would get me more on board w the ship-it could be a nice way to help kids who r still questioning its not something i see any show do they useally have the character already know their queer
(Yeah the club feels like a lowky retcon, its mentioned one time then completely vanishes never mentioned again-the way its introduced is so awkard too they just have drac tell us what it is then cut to ghoulia sitting in one if the chairs-it would feel much more natrual if again like you said it was used to further devlop clankie & to help frankie figure out their feelings, trying to live up to her exes is a rlly fun concept too n could work just as well)
Right, its why i say g1 was better at contextualizing the newer characters like why wasnt catrine at monster high? Oh yeah cus she lived in scaris before! Boom there done , now why did teez never show up before? Hell if i know đ€·đœââïž but his here now , also im the excat same way-i see ppl bash g1 for having random episodes that dont connect n are just random when it never set up to be a serialized show-its an episodic one, its like complaining shows like courage dont have one overarching story, g3 however DOES set up to be a serialized show, to have one overarching story yet it never allows conflicts to proced beyond one episode , like antoer user said it wants to be the next amphibia or owl house but its far too simplistic to make those showâs sort of story work-i strongly agree they should have just made it a simplistic episodic show w silly monster teen shenanigan like g1-its where monster high works best, the more serialized overarching story sort of format works much better for ever after high
Oh PLEASE do a post for the lore & mythology if ur up for it cus i have so MUCH to say about it n would love to see ur take on it, i honestly hate the whole were-ruler concept due to it being based on a popular misinformation that wolves have an alpha(im autistic & have a special interest in wolves so thats why it bugs me alot) it doesnt even make sense for most of the wereanimals-why would the werecats care about whos the alpha?? Their house cats they dont have a hierarchy and like you said it has nothing to do w the school, it feels like its just half assed into the show so they can have a big conflict, i honestly in general just cant stand the wereanimals-thats the ONLY monster we ever get in terms of new characters n all of them just act like wolves or even cats(clawd jumping onto the wall when scared), the human vs monster conflict is also done so horribly-the monsters r still framed as being a minority like in g1 okay yet the show constantly depicts the monsters as practicing how to kill humans, lagoona stating she has killed multiple sailors in her life & when clawdeens dad comes everyone in the school tries to eat him, the show litrealy justifies humans discriminating againest monsters yet we r supposed to see them as the marginalized ones? Even tho their the ones attacking humans unprovoked? Its giving me disneys zombies energy , also as someone who is a witch-i rlly cant stand drac or the depiction of witchcraft lol they made it a human practice yet dont AT ALL bother takinh inspiration from actual witchcraft, its all just pretty lights n goofy spells n like i get it its a kids show but come on at least try to take some inspiration, you could make witches a seperete monster like in g1 and nothing would change in the story there was no need to make it a human practice
Also yeah i strongly feel you on bloodgood, she got streaked by the âadorkableâ beam hard ,how i explain her is in g1 she actually felt like a guardian, she was characterized w how a teen might see their high school principal like (being very intimidating n rule following) in g3 however she acts like an adult sitcom character, shes also honestly such a hypercrite-she almost kills or well âexpelsâ toralei after she âfinds outâ shes a witch yet just tells draculaura to not show off when she finds out shes a witch (its also so weird how nightmare barley ever appers anymore since in g1 they two were always seen toghter, nightmare was almost a part of bloodgoons design i mean after all she is the headless horsemans daughter)
Also MAN the relief i felt when u noted how stereotypical the characters are-ppl always get upset at ppl saying this n pulling out excuses like âbut its not a stereotype some people are like this!!â Not getting thats litrealy what a stereotype is-its taking one aspect some ppl from a group has n applying it to the whole group, its not ppl making up things, like how lagoona is overly obbessed w telenovelas even tho shes 16-telenovelas are watched way more by the middle aged women then teen girls , it feels like they just slapped it there cus lagoonas latina n we ALL know latinas love their telenevolas am i right??(sarcasim) same thing w her having anger issues , why does it HAVE to be lagoona?? Why cant anyone else have anger issues?? Manny is litrealy right there he had that in g1
I also agree with everything you said-i would just add that the issue w the new ethnic backgrounds is they took away already prexisting representation, by that im refering to the wolf family-there was no need to make clawdeen biracial now when she was already a diverse character(being monoracial Black) n its even more upsetting when aside from drac all the other white main characters got to keep their race, their all still monoracial white , i remeber reading the show bible where it says nonbinary is normalized in monster high that it has tons of nonbinary characters-yet thats not what we actually see in the show, the only nonbinary character is frankie everyone else stayed cis it feels even more wrong to me since âfrankensteinâ is a common insult cis ppl throw at trans ppl, it feels wrong that in this massive school the only nonbinary character is the frankenstein monster
Yes I used to post on twitter about my MH opinions but they arenât conversational at allđso I am glad that we can talk like this as well! Thank you lmao.
I think ultimately even though I sound like a G1 purist, g1 relationships had better build up for their main couples. Clawd and draculaura have the Romeo and Juliet vibe, so audiences root for them even more! Deuce and Cleo almost break up, and audiences fight for them to stay together. And lagoona and Gill seem to be destined to be apart but she fights for her relationship. And when they did side character coupling, the side characters often got either a few episodes, a BPlot in a movie or the main(rochell and garcon (?). In MHG1 the main ghouls helped audiences root for side character relationships. And most relationships were cute simple pairs (like two zombies together, iris and manny, scarah and invisibilly). G3 fails me because half of these characters have no personality and no drama ever. Lagoona and gill? They just get together and THEN a sudden conflict that comes out of nowhere happens, but it doesnât even strain their relationship. Frankie finally wants to ask Cleo out, but oh no, DUECE asked Frankie first??đđthat scene pissed me off so bad, like I would have rather had Frankie over hear deuce making plans to ask Cleo (something) but they assume itâs a prom proposal and get flustered or something idk đ. I feel like the main issue with the relationships as a whole right now, have to deal with the writers. Because Iâm unfortunately not a fan of G1 clawdeen x torelai at all. I was very disappointed when I found out they were going to be canonically together, and their comic had the least explanation đ. And this isnât to say that every WLW relationship has to have a perfect explanation, but for clawdeen and TORELAI?? I absolutely need one. Torelai was a notorious jerk to not just clawdeen, but all of her friends and family. A lot of people defend them, stating enemies to lovers, but I am not a fan of enemies to lovers, but the enemy is like an actual jerk jerk, for certain media. (If itâs a darker tone of media Iâll indulge I wonât lie, but what comes to mind is catradora đ«„ catra was horrible to adora and it just made me uncomfortable how adora just still repeatedly went back to her idk) I adore, a really good rivals to lovers. Where itâs contained between two characters and they are each others enemies but itâs nothing necessarily too insane. I feel like I would be more lenient if it was G3 clawdeen but..it might end up being a clankie situation.
And yes the stereotypes just feel so off to me. I didnât even get the draculaura one until a friend pointed it out to me. And youâre absolutely right about clawdeen. I myself am a mono-racial black woman, and I was in my feelings about her being mixed. At first I thought it was Afro Latina and just African American Black but my friend told me that sheâs specifically half something. So that definitely sucked a lot for me. Iâm a heavy advocate for including diversity where it wasnât before, but I struggled with why I felt so uncomfortable by clawdeens sudden Latino decent. Itâs not a fully fledged thought yet, but something about making her mixed seems like they donât want to commit to a fully black girl main character. Her mom has straight hair and as a result clawdeen has this off pink wavy hair texture (while her brother in doll form, gets actual curls on his doll..). Despite being Afro Latina now, she doesnât speak spanish, and the culture seems so empty within the household. Like miles morales is Afro Latino, and it comes through in his FULL Spanish sentences, his interactions with his parents and how he traverses the world. Clawdeen and clawd literally bond overâŠtamales?? Add lagoona in there and her and clawd will literally just say Spanish phrases. Itâs a thin line for me. I think itâs a step in a good direction, but I would like for the characters to either reflect their origins a lot more through clothing and cultural traditions (instead of draculaura getting her sweet 1600, make it lagoona getting a quinceañera! (Quince-scare-a idk they can figure it out)
And yes Iâm absolutely going to make a post on the mythology, just gotta organize my ânotesâ because itâs all over the place đ. Things like the talismans, (how did principal bloodgood not know that a human was present at the creation of MH⊠adding the humans just felt like a way for them to official retcon the human hate. âLook humans were a type of monster!ââŠokay pal). I want to talk about the were-creatures because they way they did them in this generation is so frustrating to me as well. Were wolves are inherently half human half wolf creatures, so whatâs so significant about a half human werewolf?? Itâs redundant. Especially if the majority of the powers clawdeen has, comes from the talisman anyways. And I do hate when they do a thing thatâs like âoh this group of people oppresses this other group and thatâs bad!â âWhy are they oppressed?â âOh well they actively kill members of the other groupâŠbut itâs still wrong to not like them!!â I watched an anime called Brand New Animal, and it was a humans versus were-creatures. But the were creatures actively had a gene in their bodyâs that made them ultra violentâŠand they even started killing each otherâŠhow horrible~ and it just made me so uncomfortable. (It felt like an allegory for black on black crime and marginalized races just being savages by nature..) I also just want to inquire about all the other monster types at the school, and the conflict they have. Like why is heaths dad hades? And why is it Disney hades not even actual hades đ. What role does Dracula actually play in the grand scheme of things, and how come no one of authority, who knew clawdeens mom Selena, recognized clawdeen immediately?? Or at least her necklace?? Like bloodgood just thought she was some random human girl. Are you guys not actively looking for the faculty member you lost?? She was freaking were-ruler???
Tbh i personally dont think u sound like a g1 purist at all(granted i also hate that term as its just used to shut valid critiques, esp from poc) i also hated the âOH NO DEUCE IS ASKING FRANKIE INSTEAD!!â It was so forced & cringe to watch, OH NO !! Deuce asked frankie & cleo if they-wanna go the prom as friends OH NO TRULY TERRIBLE SUCH DRAMA!!/sarcasim, for toradeen tho i ironically prefer g1 over g3-yeah toralei was a jerk but that was rlly it-she was just annoying, In g3 she was straight out racist despite the show pretending like she never was-she straight out complined about clawdeen being in MH just cause shes part human-its a big issue i had w their suddon friendship too n her defending clawdeen from her mon cus like?? Girl didnt u litrealy say the same things abt clawdeen?? I do agree however that the comic should have focused on them getting toghter-i was dissapointed to find out it was mainly abt two new characters & not how the two girls got toghter
The stereotyping doesnt stop at race/enthicity-twyla got a very high pitched voice n while yes the actress is autistic & has a voice like that shea confirmed she wanted the actress to make her voice high-she wanted twyla to be âadorableâ n as someone who is autistic-this all just comes off as infantalizing - also your friends completly right, clawdeens bio specificly lists her as being âa biracial humanâ , her mom is most likely to just be a darkskinned mestiza woman and yeah like you said clawdeen being latina doesnt at all effect anything abt her character outside of her brother & mom havin accents, it feels like a last mintue addition(the first time it was ever mentioned was in her music video-not even the movie) you can take it out n nothing would change unlike other afro-latine characters like miles, that tamale scene was also rlly cringy to see-so many Mexicans called out how the two of them were eating it incorrectly(eating it w the shell) they didnt even do the bare minimum research on the food they were representing đ
I would love to see it once its up! I actually had a mutual of mine point out that frankie having a tailsman makes no sense, their the only frankenstein monster-why would there be an acient tool made for a monster that wont come to exist till now?? While i am glad they did go the âclawdeen only changes into a human cus shes part humanâ like the movies did-the âhalf humanâ plot is still a really cringe terrible metaphor for being biracial & can be easily taken out just like witches being humans,like you said werewolves r already half human(w the word itself translating to âman wolfâ) n clawdeen + clawd themselves r litrealy no diffetent then the other werewolves, we already had much better characters in g1 that served as a metaphor for being biracial (jackson & the hybreds) , Beasters & Z-O-M-B-I-E-S also had a similar plot to brand new animal n its so uncomfantable- monster high was the few medias i seen that actually tackled the race metaphors rlly well since the monsters were rlly no different then humans just in apperence, it was so refreshing to see so now having them activly go n kill innocent humans n even try to eat their friends human dad is so depressing
I seen ppl explain that hades is actually satan but they just had to call him hades instead cus of christain parents n that to me is (no offensive) BS-heaths dad was always plained to be hades, the issue is america loves to insert christanity into everything so assume hades must be just like satan when his not
The school not realising clawdeen is selenas daughter reminds me of how hazbin hotel has husk(alasters slave) be an overlord(an important figure in the shows ver of hell) yet no one not even LUCIFERS DAUGHTER realises that he is an overlord
Thank you for not thinking Iâm a G1 purist đ, Iâm a huge fan of the franchise as a whole and there are things I like about G3, but it missed the mark for me 1000%
And yes honestly youâre right about G3 torelai x clawdeen orz, Iâm trying to give the Toradeen fans something lmao. But G3 torelai also just fits into my distaste of enemies to lovers, because like you said she is racist đđđđ and idk how or why clawdeen came to trust her at all omg. I get it, she did one selfless act and now you see the good in her, they had to write her out of being a jerk somehow. But itâs just no fun. Torelai this season is more akin to G1 Cleo, sheâs vain and bossy and wants to be respected. But G1 cleo wasnât mean to EVERYONE, she had her ride or die ghoulia, she loved deuce, and sheâs like normal vain teenage girl mean, not âew you dirty humanâ.
And I didnât even think of the Twyla stereotyping. Critiquing autism and autistic characters is so hard because it is a spectrum, and not one character is going to represent all. But it becomes a little iffy when itâs supposed to be a spectrum but a lot of characters share similar traits/ stereotypes. I feel like the big 3 in autism traits most characters have are -bad eye contact, needs noise canceling head phones, one special interest(typically in something academic like reading or learning the history of a specific animal. Also the special interest will conveniently line up with said characters job). I donât think any of these things are inherently bad or wrong or ableist, but i would like to see something new. I head canon G3 Frankie to be autistic. I know itâs because theyâre new, so they take everything very literal, but thatâs something I see more often with my own friends on the spectrum over them needing noise canceling headphones idk. Also whereâs the food sensory issues or clothing sensory issues?
(It didnât even register to me that they were eating the whole dang tamale omg đđ thatâs so unserious)
And the whole talismans thing in general will definitely get a whole rant because they seem so important yet they are scattered across all of monster high. Why wasnât anyone looking for Selena wolf when she disappeared? No one thought to gather the tailsmen? How new are some of these tailsmen and where do they come from? Like if gorgons werenât allowed at MH until dueces mom, how is there a talisman? What about a zombie tailsmen? If they hate humans, shouldnât Frankie feel some kind of way because theyâre the child of victor frankenstine? A human??? Lagoonas thirst for human blood is just not fun lmao. It seems like the only way they could think to make her âscaryâ. And on clawdeens parentsâŠis the mom not going to get any flack for marrying a human?? I think catarina hated it but like no one else even cared đđ
Hazbin hotel is a whole different rant đ. Youâre telling me, the DAUGHTER of LUICIFER, is offering a free ticket to heaven, and no one cares?? People arenât lining up at her door begging to be let in??đ no one could tell vagatha is an angel? Like you said, no one knew husk was an overlord? No one cared that allistor was back in town?? The angels donât care when Adam cusses and swears, but when Charlie does it, itâs disrespectfulâŠ? So angel dust confides in husk about hating his job after being SAed and husks response is âeh weâre all losers get over itâ. Why is Sir Snake Guy in heavenâŠ? Like it makes no sense to međđ that show is a completely different bag of worms. Once again interesting premise but terrible execution
Tbh i mainly only like the g3 dolls-the medias are just an utter mess(ESPICALLY the movies)
Thats very fair lmao i made a post abt it but i never got the whole âtoradeen only makes sense in g3!! Make it canon there!!â Some fans have cus like-girlie are you sure we r talking abt the same g3 toralei?? Its the one w the awful british accent who wanted clawdeen removed from monster high for being half human & also tried to ruin draculaura, clawdeens best friend, life by exposing her as a witch - your also right, clawdeen sundally trusting toralei cause she did one selfless act makes no sense, the episodes petroyal of toralei was so ooc n made no sense as a whole-they did a whole 180 and decided toralei was actually never racist(even tho she was) it was just her mom, then they had her n clawdeen act like besties n have toralei call her a friend even tho just an episode ago toralei tried to ruin her life like hello?? Since when were they friends?? - also again your right, while i do think g1 cleos redeemption was somewhat rushed too cleo was never an actual threat, she was never bigotted, she was just vain & bossy but you can see that she wasnt all that bad, unlike g3 toralei
Yeah critiquing autism stereotypes is p diffcult like you said-i myself was on the fence abt critiquing twylas voice cus of the actress voice being already high pitched, but after again seeing shea say she wanted twyla to be âadorableâ(n mind you twas the ONLY character she described lime that, not even draculaura even tho shes supposed to be the cutesy one) n heard that âautistic women r more likely to have high pitched voicesâ (which is based on a wrong belief that theres female autism & male autism) that went away real fast lol it feels uncomfantable to look at g3 twyla now w that context in mind, especially when her fashion is very cery child leaning n her theme switched from bugs to mainly bunnies even tho it wasnt in g1 - i also headcanon frankie as autistic in honestly all gens, i remeber shea commented on the compleint abt ghoulia being able to talk now saying she acknowladges alot of autistic ppl looked up to her but she âwanted to chellenge zombie stereotypesâ that pissed me off SO SO much my other autistic friends who like mh also hated that statment she made
While she raâs represention of autism was horrible too(w how the allistic characters treated entrapta) i do think entrapta herself is still one of the beat autistic characters i seen-shes not just a shy quiet reserved person like every other autistic person shes rlly loud n blunt as well as struggles w personal boundries & takes things too litreal , she even has food sensories (only eating tiny food) i really wish we got more autistic characters like her (shes even an adult woc-which we barley barley ever see)
(Yeah its THE first thing thing i seen latine fans post abt-imagine patting yourself on the back for making a character latine only to be bashed by latines for not doing the most basic research LMAO)
See a zombie tailsman would make much much more sense then a fucking frankenstein tailsman-those actually existed for ages unlike frankie, hell frankie could still use it even if it was a zombie tailsman cus they are just a zombie(even tho the show pretends like their not even an undead monster) the show did confirm that frankie was built by monsters not humans which is even WORSE-esp when one of the parents is a zombie, why in the world would a zombie go around n take other corpseâs parts?? His violating other zombies automany n stealing their parts why isnt he shunned for that?? Same w the mom even tho shes a troll shes violating other monsterâs autonomy-i seen ppl compare g3 lagoona to GIR from invader zim n thats honestly an insult to GIR he was actually funny & cute, lagoonas just annoying n a try hard
Dude i swear we r just straight out twinning in regards to our opnions LMAO ive been making some posts ranting abt how terrible hazbin hotel is n its so ironic to me how it and monster high g3 share so much in common even tho g3 is more praised-like w selena wolf & her husband, helluva boss did the same thing w beelzebub dating a hellhound yet no one cares even tho hellhounds are on the lowest tier , i do think hazbins worse then mh g3 but man its funny to me how both so much in common in regards to issues lol
I enjoy the G3 dolls as well! The fashion leaves much to be desired but the physical dolls are cute sometimes. đAnd yes I loved entrapta! I need more characters like her! The cutesy autism rep is getting out of hand đ.
The relationship between the zombies and Frankie was something so brief in G1 I believe. It was stated they were cousins, and Frankie is made out of dead humans, not necessarily undead humans. And sheâs reanimated just like how zombies are~ I believe Frankie and ghoulia are cousins in G1 (Iâm sure itâs kind of a joke). But the zombies of G3 are pushed to the side and Frankie is definitely an Astro boy before they are a franken monster đđ thereâs no connection at all. And lagoona is no where near Gir levels. thatâs absurd. Like you said gir was cute! And sure lagoona is cute, but her personality is plain. Sheâs a chomper..okayyyâŠoh she likes bloodâŠoh kayy. Sheâs supposed to be scary and dangerous but they literally never treat her like she is đ
And I think hazbin has similar writing issues as monster high G3, because both are rushing and they rely on viewers knowing outside information to understand their story. They do very little world building and tons of verbal exposition. How do we know that draculaura and Charlie have daddy issues? Because they literally just say it. They never show it đđ(Charlie is the worst because wym you have father issues but your father is literally your number 1 fanâŠhuh? Idk i was expecting something else). They both are trying to have a robust fantasy setting but they do nooo work to flesh out that setting. And the locations are super limited. Iâll give G3 some grace since itâs 3D, but no grace for hazbin đ

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An unorganized rant about monster high, generation three,
This is mostly about character powers.
Monster high G1 has never had any solid or concrete lore. The main premise has always been, the fashionable teenage children of the universal monsters. It also includes a lot of superstition type characters, and characters from Greek mythology. From what I remember the parents didn't play a big role in generation ones main content. Maybe Dracula and Cleo's father the mummy. Monster high also established that there's pretty much an alternative universe where things are monster pun variants of the real world. Most characters are presumed to be immortal-ish, or they live very long lives. They don't get into how age works and they expect viewers to suspend their disbelief for alot of things. they use your base knowledge of these famous monsters, but they don't really expand on them that much. The stories are more dramatic and don't involve much much lore building. Since they established the monster world as a parody of the real world, it gives the ghouls more places to go, and they don't have to be tied to actual prominent locations present in the media they reference. (For instance deuce won't need to go to Hesperides or Greece and Frankie doesn't have to the Bavarian alps or something idk, does that make sense?đ Draculaura doesn't need to visit Transylvania). The movies also showcase alot of different characters and locations. It makes the monster world feel more alive. What also helps is the illusion of other schools. I often see monster high as a public school, and things like the werewolf school, and vampire schools feel like private schools. I think it helps convey monster highs messaging of being unique. Good allegories for anti racism, anti homophobia, anti ablism. Since you see how the outside world looks compared MH.
Monster high Generation 3 is striving to have more lore and world/character building. Characters now have abilities that tie into their origins. Frankie stein has electric powers, and they can exchange their body parts for helpful tools. Clawdeen has super speed, strength, smell, and hearing. Draculaura has hypnosis (it's a vampire trait I believe), transformation into a bat, and she has literal magic spells. Almost every character has a new ability that links to their monster origins. I think this is a cool concept, I'm always down for a more monstrous approach, but for some characters it feels very gimmicky and not realistic for the setting. -lets take cleo- she is a mummy monster, and mummies often get some organs removed when they are getting mummified. Cleo has nearly all of her internal organs removed. And not only that, she keeps them on her 24/7. Typically mummies only have their stomach,lung, and liver taken out. And maybe their intestines. And they're put in jars and held within the tomb. Cleo keeps her organs on her 24/7 because she literally cannot live without them, which in my opinion defeats the purpose of her being an undead mummy. The organs are used as plot devices to cause conflict in some episodes. Oh no Cleos inner ear, conveniently rolls away so she loses balance and trips and falls and almost gets caught by humans!! Oh no Cleos heart needs to be given up for this special necklace! But she will be rendered emotionless đ«đ«!! There's never really any advantage to her having all of her organs removed, even though she is proud of it. It's not something that I think adds to her character and I think she would be the same without it. (Maybe if it was a fun fact in the BG they could be cute, but for plot purposes it seems weak). Characters like heath, Abby and Lagoona now have elemental powers. Abby and Heath had them In G1, but it was more of a byproduct of their monster types. Not necessarily something they used super actively. Abby was a yeti first, before she was an ice element. Now I'm G3 I'm willing to argue that she's more of a snow man than she is a yeti. While she lives in the Himalayan mountains, she wears no fur or yeti looking attire. Her outfit consists of snow patterned pants and a snow T-shirt, matching her ice earrings and ice...sandals???? I would understand, shes an ice monster, so she doesn't get that affected by the cold temperatures. Therefore she doesn't need to wear big fur coats... But they don't explain it like that at all. Her mother still sports a white fur look while abby is more purplish. It's a tad nitpicky, but she just doesn't come across as a yeti to me. She's an ice element. Lagoona is the same way. Her looks have already convinced me that she's a sea creature, I don't think she needs to have water bending powers. Deuce also irks me with his powers. If you see his eyeballs, you will turn to stone. So he is supposed to be wearing sunglasses to cover up his eyes, except in this generation, his sunglasses are literally just tinted glasses. If that. You can see his eyes clearly. But they still treat his powers the same. So it's just silly to me but when characters are like "oh no his eyes are showing!!! Put his sunglasses on!!! And he puts them on, and you still see his eyes đ. I have not the slightest clue as to why they designed them this way.
Since the characters now have fancy special powers, the writers often have to include them into every episode. So the episodes often feel bloated with unnecessary conflicts and shenanigans that don't further the plot in most cases. I feel like it takes away from the actual overarching story they are trying to tell. High stake events like clawdeen figuring out things about her mother, are often drowned out and fall flat because compared to every other episode it's nothing crazy. They just got done surviving an attack from a giant plant monster and the whole school almost being destroyed or something, clawdeen learning information about her mother is often pushed to the side. This made it hard to believe how serious her mothers disappearance was. This phenomenon happens with every character. One episode draculaura is freely using magic the next it's super high stakes about her being expelled, just to have the episode after that feature magic again with no remorse đ. With the constant shenanigans, magic is the least of the schools worries at this point. They also have midterms, which is something to hone in on certain characters powers and abilities, but thereâs no build up to midterms. It just happens one episode. I wish we got to see the characters struggle throughout the season, maybe clawdeen especially. If they have to have her human form, let her transformation be unstable for a few episodes, maybe the moon tailsmen doesnât really enhance her powers unless used correctly, so she has to actually learn and adapt to these new werewolf powers. Instead sheâs just the BEST werewolf and thereâs no doubt she will win any battle. Her human form isnât something that puts her at a disadvantage at all.
I believe Frankie is probably the most conveniently used character during the whole season. Frankie is pretty much cogsworth from fallout. They have just the right tool for the right time. I used to think Frankie having different people in their head was cool, but the more itâs used the more Iâm like âdoesnât Frankie get tired of this?â Every episode Frankie is going to electric shock themselves or their friends, theyâre going to need to tear themselves apart to save someone, theyâre going to literally break apart at other points. It looks like it would get exhausting. If I remember correctly, G1 Frankie only really lost her hands and maybe a leg on specific occasions, but it wasnât something she did willingly often. Sometimes she would remove her hands to help others. Also I donât remember her having many electric shock moments, not ones that she wanted to happen anyways. You could make a shallow argument that in G1 her hands falling off and electricity issues were more of a (disability), where in G3 itâs an asset to Frankieâs character, one that I just canât suspend my disbelief to be like âyeah they totally arenât bothered by this 24/7â. In my opinion it would make more sense if Frankie was just a robot in this generation. They hardly feel like a franken monster anymore.
Draculaura and her infamous witch powersâŠit just feels like a strange writing decision in my opinion. I think they couldnât think of some vampire powers, so she matches with everyone else, so they made her a witch so she can do spells. And Iâll assume they made it forbidden for maybe a sense of taboo, but it just doesnât make sense at all. She practically does witchcraft out in the open multiple times, and no one ever cares. And her spells are never anything that I think are too spectacular, casual levitating spell when needed, convenient teleporting spell. It doesnât add to her character at all. Maybe I have G1 brain rot, but I liked her forbidden romance in G1. It was simple and cute. And her character was such a sweetheart and a cutie pie. She doesnât need enhanced vampire powers because her actual personality speaks for itself. In G3 draculaura is defined by everything around her, but whatâs her actual personality without those things?
Overall I kind of miss the casual approach to the characters abilities in G1. I like the idea of them in G3, but the execution just doesnât land in my opinion. The constant fight scenes drag the episodes, paired with the rushed heavy handed messaging and you have very little character development.
One of my biggest issues of g3 has to be Clawd unfortunately đ He was introduced out of nowhere! There had been no mention of him in relation to Clawdeen and her mom until his arrival, and his age was explained by "time moves differently in the other world" like was Selena Wolf pregnant when she disappeared in the other world?? I initially thought that Clawd and Clawdeen were going to be introduced as half siblings because of how identical he looks to Selena and not very much like Apollo, but then Apollo was like "oh yeah I have another kid! :)" Clawd is also basically Clawdeen but male; a good student who can be bit awkward and likes casketball, has issues fitting in with other monsters. He blends in with the other male characters too, they have very similar voice actors and personalities đ Plus, his relationship with Draculaura feels very out of nowhere, why couldn't he have fallen in love with Frankie? Or not had a main love interest at all? He spent equal time with the main 3 boos up until the Drawd episode that cemented their relationship. The only reason they're together is because they were in g1!
Omg yes! The clawd situation is very very awkward in my opinion. Since they made clawdeen the new main character of MH, she HAS to be new to the school, and having an older brother who was there before her, wouldnât help her story since sheâs supposed to learn everything for the first time. So they just make him a younger older brother? Huh? Itâs so strange and it leads into an issue the TV show has, where thereâs too many âNEWâ characters. Frankie is new, clawdeen is new, clawd is new, gill is new etc. and they spend a lot of time getting these new characters used to monster highâŠover and over and over again. I died every time clawd was explaining some custom from behime(?) or he just didnât understand basic stuff about MH. Valuable time that can be spent seeing the characters actually grow and get to know each other, is spent teaching others about âthis isnât a year book itâs fear book!â
And his relationship with draculaura just feels like theyâre appealing to G1 fans. All the tension is sucked out of their relationship in this generation unfortunately. G1 it was forbidden, and clawdeen didnât want it to happen. They established draculaura as a lover girl in previous episodes, so it wasnât surprising when she was crushing on clawd, but this time it was different~ and she had legit reasons to crush on him
Ge draculaura goes from hating him to liking him as a friend to like liking him? Thereâs no tension, thereâs no ship bait. If I never knew what MH was before this, I wouldnât ship clawd and draculaura. I would ship the main boo crew together. Hell in a crack ship kind of vibe, I think deuce and draculaura have more in common đ
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Monster high G3 rant
Watching the TV series and Iâm kind of disappointed.
This will be my second watch of season 1, Iâm rewatching after the current season 2 episodes.
the show feels very flat in my opinion. Theyâve given the characters a lot of cool traits, but theyâre used for like one episode and then never brought up, or they only use one specific trait 24/7. Like Frankie in this generation, they have the ability to electrocute, extend their body parts, and they get visions from the people theyâre made out of. Specifically they get visions from this one recurring doctor/ scientist. The idea is cool, but the vision literally is there to give exposition about something conveniently. Like when they are trying to solve the puzzle of clawdeens mom, Frankieâs vision just conveniently tells them what to do and how to do it.
In that same episode, we see manny taur. A Minotaur character. And right away we are just told that heâs good at puzzle solving, and so is draculaura! Theyâre rivals! But this is the first time Iâve ever seen or heard about draculaura being into puzzles, let alone her one sided rivalry with manny. And as the episode ends, sheâs like âwell you can be the rightful puzzle masterâ but it feels so flat. There has been no build up to this moment.
Another example is lagoona. In her designated episode, she is rooting for torelai to win the fear-leading captain over draculaura (another thing that has no build up as to why itâs important to her) lagoona explains that torelai is holding a secret over her head, and if it gets out she will lose her status as the fiercest monster in school. But this is the first time we have heard this!! In previous episodes thereâs no mention of her being scary or fierce. Or even her super fast swimming skills. Itâs just brought up and glosses over with a âbe who you are, itâs okay to like what you want! We all have secrets đ„čâ but thereâs no real character development.
My last example will be the way draculaura is presented in this series. From what she tells us, she has high standards to live up to as a vampire. She needs to look good for her day so she studies endlessly and is striving for perfection. But she also has a love for witchcraft, which is banned in monster high due to its connections to humans. This can be a cute premise, but they NEVER show draculaura compared to any other vampire to show how sheâs supposed to act. They never give us episodes where she blows off her friendâs shenanigans because it makes her look bad, and they never really show her dad being so overbearing. They donât show us WHY humans are hated. And even though witchcraft is banned, whenever anyone finds out about it theyâre just cool with it? No push back or anything. The only character to challenge draculaura was torelai.
This all may be very nitpicky, but MH is a character driven franchise. Character relationships with each other and their surroundings are very important to me. I want to feel the so called pressure these characters are being put under. It doesnât have to be ultra serious 24/7, but issues get resolved within one episode and then rehashed a few episodes later with no further development. Especially with characters like Cleo and lagoona. They have been benched as side characters in this show, and side characters get much worse treatment.
âThe general episode progression is like this - introduce an issue, introduce a high stakes situation that involves the school, have all or one of the main 3 engage in a sequence of fights against this issue(or rapid solving of said issue through convince) - issue is resolved and lesson is told to viewers-characters reset for the next episode.
I know this is a childrenâs show, but that doesnât mean it needs to have bad writing, not all kids are high off cocomelon. Kids deserve good writing in their media!
My next rant will be about clawdeen and her story this generation
I agree with this criticism. The G3 cartoon seems to be try filling in the "Vaguely Western Isekai fantasy cartoon with overarching plot" space that The Owl House, Amphibia and SVTFOE had on Disney since Nickelodeon hasn't had a serialized fantasy show in ages but the character writing is way too simplistic for it to work and the world building outside of random factoids is non-existent.
Draculaura is honestly the most insuffrable one in the show-i dont get how ppl say shes better here then in g1 cus like girlie cant go a DAY w/o trying to one up someone intentionally or not, oh ghoulia wants to be star student to be an example for zombies?? Nope drac wants to be one too and sheâll cheat for it!! Mannys into puzzles? Great so is drac now!!
Even her supposed âchildhood friendshipâ w heath feels so forced n out of nowhere-since when were those two childhood friends excuse me?? That was never once mentioned in season 1
Thats also not going into how controling she acted over witchcraft-she bashed skelita for wanting to do witchcraft for fun WHEN THATS WHY SHE WANTED TO DO WITCHCRAFT TOO she wantef to do it for fun, it has no deeper meaning for her other then its fun, the episode never even calls out her hypocrisy on it
Yess honestly draculaura is a character that feels like they donât know what they want to do with her. With my second rewatch of season 1, Iâm noticing that the main 3 ghouls (Frankie,clawdeen, and draculaura) all share similar elements. They are all studious, love research, and they excel at a lot of things. It makes the character variation seem so bland.
And draculauras story is so unclear along with clawdeens. Like she only gets âcharacter developmentâ when sheâs trying to suddenly one up someone, when she suddenly has this skill or ability that hasnât been used prior. It can be frustrating because how are you a âknow it allâ one episode, but you know nothing the next.
Like when the boo crew meets Twyla, draculaura says that sheâs known her since they were kids, but she fails to recognize Twyla in her shadow form. She also knew that Twyla didnât like loud noises, but she canât put 2-2 together?
To add to @the-ghost-rat âs point, the fear leading team. All of a sudden Draculaura wants to be a fear leader, and not just ANY she wants to be the captain?!
The fear leading team in MHG1 was used to give Cleo some character development. She was vain and bossy, but through fear leading you learn about why she acts the way she acts, and itâs something important and integral to her character. In MHG1 joining the fear leading team was a big deal, especially to Cleo! But in MHG3 itâs like a past time for draculaura. It feels like they added it in just for the sake of having it.
It could work if they were doing a thing thatâs like - draculaura has to be the best at everything because if sheâs not it looks bad on her father. maybe give her some older siblings that carved a legacy out before she arrived, and she has huge shoes to fill. So she fights hard to be the best at everything but over the course of the show you see itâs wearing her thin. Her siblings had each other, to branch off and be the best at a cooking class, fear leading, puzzle solving. But she only has herself and itâs a lot of pressure and sheâs fumbling a lot because she canât do it all. She took the fearleading mantle away from her friend who actually cares about it, and she has to be content with not being the best at everything and she apologizes for constantly getting in the way of her friendâs success.
You honestly put my thoughts into words, she feels boderline(as much as i hate the word its the best way to explain it) like a âmary sueâ she always acts selfish , controling and mean yet she doesnt get much consiquences outside of someone getting slightly upset at her , her friendship w heath & twyla add to it too-like you said it makes no sense that despite being childhood friends w twyla drac didnt know her shadow form or that shes the one who stole the music box, it just feels like its thrown in to show how great , nice & awsome drac is n how everyone loves her expt for toralei-the litreal mean girl anatagnist
Also yeah the characters not having variety is an issue w majority of the cast :/ their all some flavour of ânice awkard quirky & friendlyâ the lack of accents doesnt help either cus they blend in even more like i just couldnt bring myself to care abt anyone n it feels like not even the crew does cause tons of characters r thrown in the background after they served their porpose in one episode(like spectra , nefera , etc) deuce is supposed to be part of the main three (like the intro shows) yet his just there to hype up clankie n be the token male character
Honestly that critique can apply to clawdeen joining the casketball-since when was girlie into caketball?? Since when did she show she wanted to join it?? She was obv more into fearleading , it comes off as she just joined casketball cus they forgot her doll had her be a casketball player
Honestly thats not a bad idea-they coukd have done that w elizzabat, bring her back but make her draculauras older sister, i mean girlie was straight out the vampire queen & a movie star in g1 it could be an interesting parallel to nefera n cleo in g1(yes they still have that conflict in g3 but its a nothing burger, its resolved in one episode then nefera vanishes, besides w her not being a villain shes just boring)
I agree with everything you just said lmao. The endlessly adorkable characters feel bland and uninteresting, side characters like deuce and spectra get little to nothing. (and imma say Cleo as well. Honestly rewatching the clankie episodes, I realize how little Cleo and Frankie actually hung out. Cleo helps Frankie in like one episode, and then the next episode Frankie is crushing on Cleo. And that would be cool, but Cleoâs character is reduced to literally âIâm just here when the boo crew isnât available~ Iâll help anyone~. But any clankie episodes, Cleo feels wildly out of character, as she needs to become a damsel in distressâs for Frankie to help her. (I can go on a whole clankie rant đ€ŠđŸââïž I thought it was cute but now Iâm like,,,))
And I think have Elissabat would have been a good foil for draculaura, at this point any vampire thatâs not her parents đ. Idk if itâs because of the budget, but the lack of different background characters can feel so jarring at times, especially when itâs time for said BG character to get their special lore drop episode, or when new models of characters get introduced, like mouscedes and teez (the skunk). Wym theyâre all of a sudden apart of the were-pack when we have never seen them until now, and then clawdeen is just like âtell us about yourself!â And they both get exposition dumps. (But the whole point of that episode was that clawdeen didnât know ANYONE, so why only ask mousecedes and teez about themselves and then have some âAH-HAâ moment??)
And the G3 Cleo and nefra conflict is borderline non existent. Unlike in G1, nefra actually adores her sister. And sheâs happy to be around her, and Cleo just comes off as over dramatic because thereâs never any real threat. Thereâs no build up to the great nefra in G3, itâs time for cleo to have her episode, so they throw in some reason for nefra to be there. âOh nefra was the lead in all the school plays, plays that the audience didnât even know MH was hosting? And this year the play us cleopatra? Convenient for the Cleo episode I guess.
And duece is such a strange character because, whatâs his deal? His previous history with the ghouls is non existent except for him dating Cleo, something that never gets brought up. (This also just reminds me of how thereâs like hardly any romance outside of clankie wow). We also just get random lore drops that all of a sudden, he needs to be the best at a lot of things because Gorgons never lose, and they have to over perform due to the discrimination they faced way back whenâŠbut before the episode where duece tells us all that, heâs like a bump on a log. How come he never challenges draculaura? Are gorgons only supposed to be good at sports??
Omg im SO glad you feel that way abt clankie cus i dont get the hype AT ALL đ like where did frankie get the sudden crush on cleo?? Wheres the build up?? The two barley even interacted n now deuce n cleo cant even interact on their own w/o frankie being there , i hate how you cant say anything negative abt clankie or fans will claim ur just âg1 puristist who hates representationâ bcus no-there are legitment reasons to critique the pairing, i appricate represention but i would like to have actual lead up to a couple-same thing w toralei & clawdeens friendship, we never even get an episode where we actually see toralei & clawdeen actually make things up n become friends-toralei just goes from being a racist bully to seeing clawdeen as her friend (ironically-its a simliar issue i have to lumity-theres no buildup to amity devloping feelings for luz)
I feel like random characters appering was an issue all the way back in g1 w characters like twyla but i feel like g1 at least attempted to better contextualize where these characters were, plus they actually lined up w the dolls that were being released, in g3 we already got to see mousecedes , spectra & the werecat twins ages before their dolls came out(mousecdes STILL didnt get her doll) theres such a massive disconnect between the new doll characters being introduced n the characters being shown in the cartoon the two are just spoliering eachother
I seen ppl compare g3 nefera & cleo to hey arnolds helga & olga cus neferas nice when umm no the two are nothing alike-yes olga was nice but helga wasnt, the conflict wasnt solved in one episode it keepet going n showed how it effected helgas personality n mental state, if anything g1 nefera & cleo are more comparable to helga & olga-that aside tho i legit cant stand nefera in this gen which is ironic cus shes nice lol it just took away the whole point of why nefera was mean while clawdeens siblings r nice, it was a good way to show kids the difference between a good sibling relationship and a bad one
Yeah the issue w deuce ties back to what i said abt clankie-he cant even interact w cleo alone w/o frankie being there, he litrealy is just there to hype up clankie his a non-character despite again being part of the main trio like the intro showed, he wasnt all that deep in g1 either but he still got tons of memrable moments n was a pretty clever subversion of a common trope-in that his a jock dating the popular rich girl but he wasnt mean he was actually rlly nice (there also actually is other romances but their forgotten after one or two episodes, like draculaura + clawd, gill + lagoona , a whole ass bear + nefera & finn + spectra, the only one thats as consist as clankie is abbey + heath)
Also tbh i hate how so damn bigotted the school is now-like i get bigotry is invitable even in an accepting school like monster high but jesus everytime we learn anything new abt the school the entire âa school meant for all monsters!â Message falls flat-they didnt accept yetis, they discriminated against gorgons , they banned witchcraft like jesus what ISNT this school bigotted againest? There was some bigotry in the school in g1 but that was from the student and it wasnt so massive that the morals of the school come to question, it makes me hate that bloodgoon is Black now cus it feels rlly uncomfantable to have a Black woman be so bigotted towerds anyone who isnt like her unlike her white counterpart
Yes I just finished the last few episodes of the season, and clankie just had no time to cook. If you take all the clankie clips in isolation, back to back, it seems cute and genuine, but after binge watching this season again, Iâm realizing how little they actually interacted. This goes for all the couples. Couples like heath and Abby need seem like theyâre catering to G1 fans just a tad. Like Iâm expecting these characters to like each other because thatâs how I remember it, so as the viewer I can cut them some slack. But in reality the characters just donât develop enough during the shows long runtime. And this makes clankie stand out more in my opinion as they have no previous history with viewers and old fans, so they really needed to convince us that they actually like each other, but it fell short for me personally. I enjoy clankie fan art and Iâm rooting for them to get a 2 pack eventually, but I do still think they fall very short for me. Like it feels so out of character that Frankie wouldnât tell their friends about their crush on Cleo, or if Cleo caught feelings, we should have gotten an episode of Cleo trying out terrible online dating advice (or seeking out advice from lagoona because I guess sheâs a romantic?). But the two most vocal characters just keep to themselves? Frankie isnât curious about this new feeling they have? Maybe Iâm asking for too much, but Iâm sure they could have pulled it off if the episodes were paced better, that goes for all the couples. Itâs also weird to bring up Cleo and deuce used to date but Cleo herself never acknowledges that. Itâs only ever deuce who brings it up. Also the monster ball episode, Iâm assuming was a way to confirm certain ship dynamics, but I wished we got an episode where Cleo and Frankie actually said they like each other. :\
(Also on another note, they have a club for queer monsters but Frankie never talks about their crush on CleoâŠfeels like a perfect opportunity. Also I would have liked to see some tension when it came to if Cleo is even into nonbinary femmes. Maybe have a conflict of Frankie trying to live up to all of Cleoâs amazing exs (some can be girls) and make them all super cool and unique idk)
Monster high generation 1 was able to get away with random characters because of the movies! The movies helped flesh out new characters. And the webisodes were extra character development. Side characters often would have a few episodes dedicated to them if they were completely new. Or they would flesh out reoccurring background characters like iris and scarah. I think I have a bigger magnifying glass on generation 3, because they are trying to actively have lore and be more character driven. With character conflicts so I expect more out of this series than I would MHG1, which pretty much had teenage girls as monsters. Which I liked to be honest, I think G3 needed more silly typical teenage stuff. One moment these characters are being babied by their parents, and next they are solely responsible for stopping constant terrors going on at the school. Even events like cheerleading and prom feel flat because thereâs no build up. Clankie would be a lot better if they built up throughout the season this big dance that you can take your crush to, and Frankie and all the other ships can interact with that in mind. I wanna see the ghouls shopping, going to the movies, the mall, having fun enjoying themselves. All they seem to do is study or do random activities.
And yes the MH bigotry is very strange, I might do a whole separate post ranting about this generations lore and mythology. Since they donât flesh out the world beyond the school enough, things like âwere-rulerâ feel so bland to me. Like is it really important? And what does it necessarily have to do with MH? The show frames monster high as the only school in the monster world, yet some monsters are banned? For what? Itâs hard to understand the monsters motive, because they hate humans who areâŠuh human i guess, but they also hate random species of monsters? And most of the hate is boiled down to âthis monster was a little destructiveâ but every monster has their freaky monster ways, why would they see it as weird? My biggest gripe is the whole âwe hate humansâ mentality. They give like 0 reason to hate humans, and if witchcraft is banned because itâs a human practice and they got betrayed by a human, why arenât were creatures banned for having human forms? And what all constitutes as magic? Because allot of the monsters in the school have magical powers, or magical things happen in the school, so why is learned magic the devil? Catarina, torelais mom used magic to steal monsterâs abilityâs (just like the old tale), Cleo has some mummy magical abilities, would dueces stone powers not be magic? Iâm just going to guess itâs more of the practice of magic, but draculaura never did anything in my opinion that was âwitchcraftyâ.
And principal blood good is probably one of my least favorite characters in the show. Sheâs a lot goofier than her G1 counterpart and I never take her seriously as a threat. Especially when it comes to her finding out draculaura is a witch. Sheâs easy to trick and her one gag is her head falling off. Sheâs very forgiving and super clumsy. Iâve never seen her take anything seriously. Unlike in G1, she wasnât strict but rules were rules, and since she wasnât around too often, her presence felt like a big deal. But she did care about her students and the school and actively tried to make things right often. The new goofy bloodgood just kills my vibe. I thought her being black was a cool idea, but I didnât think they would make her so traditionalist.
(This is probably for a later post but) the characters getting new ethic backgrounds was something I was excited for, until they started being boiled down to stereotypes.
Clawdeen-mixed kid (literally half human half wolf) canât fit in with her two races (very cliche mixed kid tropes in my opinion)
Draculaura -asian (over bearing parents who need her to live up to specific standards, suddenly very studious(model minority mindset)
Lagoona- Latina ( constant anger issues and very dramatic,(feisty Latina trope)
Torelai - British (evil(this is a joke)
I donât think anything is inherently wrong with adding new ethnic backgrounds to characters, but it feels so flat in MH. I think of shows like Craig of the Creek when I want to think of good representation, for race and sexuality. And gender. The show has nonbinary characters, characters with queer sexualityâs, and tons of characters with different ethic backgrounds. Now they have the benefit of being human, but I think if MH just fleshed out the monster world and made things more of a parody like normal, I think it would be better. Like characters like skeletita feel more genuine because all the skeletons are Mexican skeletons candy characters. So she doesnât feel like the only one. Where lagoona is the only fish with an accent, maybe if she has a few fish friends from where she is from, it would help flesh her out more idk. This topic in very important to me so i wanna clarify that I donât hate the diversity I just want better from this show. If this was made in 2010 sure i would call it revolutionary but i expect more representation out of these new shows that claim to be oh so diverse! Comfirm cleos sexuality, make more nonbinary characters, have more characters be of the same or similar races, why do we only have one of each?idk idk
I love how your opnions abt the show match mine so much cause ive been feeling the excat same way abt clankie, ppl describe them as a âfast slow burnâ but they just arent. They just go from sometimes talking to frankie sundally being head over heels for cleo then back to barley talking w some the slightest bits of being romantic(by that i mean one shot of them sitting at a table) i truly dont blame ppl for wanting cleuce back cause these two had so much chemistry toghter so many ups and downs that clankie just doesnt have, ive been feeling the same way abt g3 habby too-it feels like we went from heath having a big crush on abbey to sundally them datin, it legit does feel(like you said) that their just catering to g1 fans, same w draclawd which is ironic cause i legit felt nothing when i saw heath ask abbey or clawd ask draculaura for prom despite loving them alot in g1-they just lack the fun dynamiacs the two couples had, draclawd being a himbo x bimbo Romeo/Juliet couple while habby having a jessica & roger rabbit dynamic, all they do now is just blush & hold hands thats rlly it - also honestly seeing frankie try to figure out this new feeling would be a really interesting concept, it would get me more on board w the ship-it could be a nice way to help kids who r still questioning its not something i see any show do they useally have the character already know their queer
(Yeah the club feels like a lowky retcon, its mentioned one time then completely vanishes never mentioned again-the way its introduced is so awkard too they just have drac tell us what it is then cut to ghoulia sitting in one if the chairs-it would feel much more natrual if again like you said it was used to further devlop clankie & to help frankie figure out their feelings, trying to live up to her exes is a rlly fun concept too n could work just as well)
Right, its why i say g1 was better at contextualizing the newer characters like why wasnt catrine at monster high? Oh yeah cus she lived in scaris before! Boom there done , now why did teez never show up before? Hell if i know đ€·đœââïž but his here now , also im the excat same way-i see ppl bash g1 for having random episodes that dont connect n are just random when it never set up to be a serialized show-its an episodic one, its like complaining shows like courage dont have one overarching story, g3 however DOES set up to be a serialized show, to have one overarching story yet it never allows conflicts to proced beyond one episode , like antoer user said it wants to be the next amphibia or owl house but its far too simplistic to make those showâs sort of story work-i strongly agree they should have just made it a simplistic episodic show w silly monster teen shenanigan like g1-its where monster high works best, the more serialized overarching story sort of format works much better for ever after high
Oh PLEASE do a post for the lore & mythology if ur up for it cus i have so MUCH to say about it n would love to see ur take on it, i honestly hate the whole were-ruler concept due to it being based on a popular misinformation that wolves have an alpha(im autistic & have a special interest in wolves so thats why it bugs me alot) it doesnt even make sense for most of the wereanimals-why would the werecats care about whos the alpha?? Their house cats they dont have a hierarchy and like you said it has nothing to do w the school, it feels like its just half assed into the show so they can have a big conflict, i honestly in general just cant stand the wereanimals-thats the ONLY monster we ever get in terms of new characters n all of them just act like wolves or even cats(clawd jumping onto the wall when scared), the human vs monster conflict is also done so horribly-the monsters r still framed as being a minority like in g1 okay yet the show constantly depicts the monsters as practicing how to kill humans, lagoona stating she has killed multiple sailors in her life & when clawdeens dad comes everyone in the school tries to eat him, the show litrealy justifies humans discriminating againest monsters yet we r supposed to see them as the marginalized ones? Even tho their the ones attacking humans unprovoked? Its giving me disneys zombies energy , also as someone who is a witch-i rlly cant stand drac or the depiction of witchcraft lol they made it a human practice yet dont AT ALL bother takinh inspiration from actual witchcraft, its all just pretty lights n goofy spells n like i get it its a kids show but come on at least try to take some inspiration, you could make witches a seperete monster like in g1 and nothing would change in the story there was no need to make it a human practice
Also yeah i strongly feel you on bloodgood, she got streaked by the âadorkableâ beam hard ,how i explain her is in g1 she actually felt like a guardian, she was characterized w how a teen might see their high school principal like (being very intimidating n rule following) in g3 however she acts like an adult sitcom character, shes also honestly such a hypercrite-she almost kills or well âexpelsâ toralei after she âfinds outâ shes a witch yet just tells draculaura to not show off when she finds out shes a witch (its also so weird how nightmare barley ever appers anymore since in g1 they two were always seen toghter, nightmare was almost a part of bloodgoons design i mean after all she is the headless horsemans daughter)
Also MAN the relief i felt when u noted how stereotypical the characters are-ppl always get upset at ppl saying this n pulling out excuses like âbut its not a stereotype some people are like this!!â Not getting thats litrealy what a stereotype is-its taking one aspect some ppl from a group has n applying it to the whole group, its not ppl making up things, like how lagoona is overly obbessed w telenovelas even tho shes 16-telenovelas are watched way more by the middle aged women then teen girls , it feels like they just slapped it there cus lagoonas latina n we ALL know latinas love their telenevolas am i right??(sarcasim) same thing w her having anger issues , why does it HAVE to be lagoona?? Why cant anyone else have anger issues?? Manny is litrealy right there he had that in g1
I also agree with everything you said-i would just add that the issue w the new ethnic backgrounds is they took away already prexisting representation, by that im refering to the wolf family-there was no need to make clawdeen biracial now when she was already a diverse character(being monoracial Black) n its even more upsetting when aside from drac all the other white main characters got to keep their race, their all still monoracial white , i remeber reading the show bible where it says nonbinary is normalized in monster high that it has tons of nonbinary characters-yet thats not what we actually see in the show, the only nonbinary character is frankie everyone else stayed cis it feels even more wrong to me since âfrankensteinâ is a common insult cis ppl throw at trans ppl, it feels wrong that in this massive school the only nonbinary character is the frankenstein monster
Yes I used to post on twitter about my MH opinions but they arenât conversational at allđso I am glad that we can talk like this as well! Thank you lmao.
I think ultimately even though I sound like a G1 purist, g1 relationships had better build up for their main couples. Clawd and draculaura have the Romeo and Juliet vibe, so audiences root for them even more! Deuce and Cleo almost break up, and audiences fight for them to stay together. And lagoona and Gill seem to be destined to be apart but she fights for her relationship. And when they did side character coupling, the side characters often got either a few episodes, a BPlot in a movie or the main(rochell and garcon (?). In MHG1 the main ghouls helped audiences root for side character relationships. And most relationships were cute simple pairs (like two zombies together, iris and manny, scarah and invisibilly). G3 fails me because half of these characters have no personality and no drama ever. Lagoona and gill? They just get together and THEN a sudden conflict that comes out of nowhere happens, but it doesnât even strain their relationship. Frankie finally wants to ask Cleo out, but oh no, DUECE asked Frankie first??đđthat scene pissed me off so bad, like I would have rather had Frankie over hear deuce making plans to ask Cleo (something) but they assume itâs a prom proposal and get flustered or something idk đ. I feel like the main issue with the relationships as a whole right now, have to deal with the writers. Because Iâm unfortunately not a fan of G1 clawdeen x torelai at all. I was very disappointed when I found out they were going to be canonically together, and their comic had the least explanation đ. And this isnât to say that every WLW relationship has to have a perfect explanation, but for clawdeen and TORELAI?? I absolutely need one. Torelai was a notorious jerk to not just clawdeen, but all of her friends and family. A lot of people defend them, stating enemies to lovers, but I am not a fan of enemies to lovers, but the enemy is like an actual jerk jerk, for certain media. (If itâs a darker tone of media Iâll indulge I wonât lie, but what comes to mind is catradora đ«„ catra was horrible to adora and it just made me uncomfortable how adora just still repeatedly went back to her idk) I adore, a really good rivals to lovers. Where itâs contained between two characters and they are each others enemies but itâs nothing necessarily too insane. I feel like I would be more lenient if it was G3 clawdeen but..it might end up being a clankie situation.
And yes the stereotypes just feel so off to me. I didnât even get the draculaura one until a friend pointed it out to me. And youâre absolutely right about clawdeen. I myself am a mono-racial black woman, and I was in my feelings about her being mixed. At first I thought it was Afro Latina and just African American Black but my friend told me that sheâs specifically half something. So that definitely sucked a lot for me. Iâm a heavy advocate for including diversity where it wasnât before, but I struggled with why I felt so uncomfortable by clawdeens sudden Latino decent. Itâs not a fully fledged thought yet, but something about making her mixed seems like they donât want to commit to a fully black girl main character. Her mom has straight hair and as a result clawdeen has this off pink wavy hair texture (while her brother in doll form, gets actual curls on his doll..). Despite being Afro Latina now, she doesnât speak spanish, and the culture seems so empty within the household. Like miles morales is Afro Latino, and it comes through in his FULL Spanish sentences, his interactions with his parents and how he traverses the world. Clawdeen and clawd literally bond overâŠtamales?? Add lagoona in there and her and clawd will literally just say Spanish phrases. Itâs a thin line for me. I think itâs a step in a good direction, but I would like for the characters to either reflect their origins a lot more through clothing and cultural traditions (instead of draculaura getting her sweet 1600, make it lagoona getting a quinceañera! (Quince-scare-a idk they can figure it out)
And yes Iâm absolutely going to make a post on the mythology, just gotta organize my ânotesâ because itâs all over the place đ. Things like the talismans, (how did principal bloodgood not know that a human was present at the creation of MH⊠adding the humans just felt like a way for them to official retcon the human hate. âLook humans were a type of monster!ââŠokay pal). I want to talk about the were-creatures because they way they did them in this generation is so frustrating to me as well. Were wolves are inherently half human half wolf creatures, so whatâs so significant about a half human werewolf?? Itâs redundant. Especially if the majority of the powers clawdeen has, comes from the talisman anyways. And I do hate when they do a thing thatâs like âoh this group of people oppresses this other group and thatâs bad!â âWhy are they oppressed?â âOh well they actively kill members of the other groupâŠbut itâs still wrong to not like them!!â I watched an anime called Brand New Animal, and it was a humans versus were-creatures. But the were creatures actively had a gene in their bodyâs that made them ultra violentâŠand they even started killing each otherâŠhow horrible~ and it just made me so uncomfortable. (It felt like an allegory for black on black crime and marginalized races just being savages by nature..) I also just want to inquire about all the other monster types at the school, and the conflict they have. Like why is heaths dad hades? And why is it Disney hades not even actual hades đ. What role does Dracula actually play in the grand scheme of things, and how come no one of authority, who knew clawdeens mom Selena, recognized clawdeen immediately?? Or at least her necklace?? Like bloodgood just thought she was some random human girl. Are you guys not actively looking for the faculty member you lost?? She was freaking were-ruler???
Tbh i personally dont think u sound like a g1 purist at all(granted i also hate that term as its just used to shut valid critiques, esp from poc) i also hated the âOH NO DEUCE IS ASKING FRANKIE INSTEAD!!â It was so forced & cringe to watch, OH NO !! Deuce asked frankie & cleo if they-wanna go the prom as friends OH NO TRULY TERRIBLE SUCH DRAMA!!/sarcasim, for toradeen tho i ironically prefer g1 over g3-yeah toralei was a jerk but that was rlly it-she was just annoying, In g3 she was straight out racist despite the show pretending like she never was-she straight out complined about clawdeen being in MH just cause shes part human-its a big issue i had w their suddon friendship too n her defending clawdeen from her mon cus like?? Girl didnt u litrealy say the same things abt clawdeen?? I do agree however that the comic should have focused on them getting toghter-i was dissapointed to find out it was mainly abt two new characters & not how the two girls got toghter
The stereotyping doesnt stop at race/enthicity-twyla got a very high pitched voice n while yes the actress is autistic & has a voice like that shea confirmed she wanted the actress to make her voice high-she wanted twyla to be âadorableâ n as someone who is autistic-this all just comes off as infantalizing - also your friends completly right, clawdeens bio specificly lists her as being âa biracial humanâ , her mom is most likely to just be a darkskinned mestiza woman and yeah like you said clawdeen being latina doesnt at all effect anything abt her character outside of her brother & mom havin accents, it feels like a last mintue addition(the first time it was ever mentioned was in her music video-not even the movie) you can take it out n nothing would change unlike other afro-latine characters like miles, that tamale scene was also rlly cringy to see-so many Mexicans called out how the two of them were eating it incorrectly(eating it w the shell) they didnt even do the bare minimum research on the food they were representing đ
I would love to see it once its up! I actually had a mutual of mine point out that frankie having a tailsman makes no sense, their the only frankenstein monster-why would there be an acient tool made for a monster that wont come to exist till now?? While i am glad they did go the âclawdeen only changes into a human cus shes part humanâ like the movies did-the âhalf humanâ plot is still a really cringe terrible metaphor for being biracial & can be easily taken out just like witches being humans,like you said werewolves r already half human(w the word itself translating to âman wolfâ) n clawdeen + clawd themselves r litrealy no diffetent then the other werewolves, we already had much better characters in g1 that served as a metaphor for being biracial (jackson & the hybreds) , Beasters & Z-O-M-B-I-E-S also had a similar plot to brand new animal n its so uncomfantable- monster high was the few medias i seen that actually tackled the race metaphors rlly well since the monsters were rlly no different then humans just in apperence, it was so refreshing to see so now having them activly go n kill innocent humans n even try to eat their friends human dad is so depressing
I seen ppl explain that hades is actually satan but they just had to call him hades instead cus of christain parents n that to me is (no offensive) BS-heaths dad was always plained to be hades, the issue is america loves to insert christanity into everything so assume hades must be just like satan when his not
The school not realising clawdeen is selenas daughter reminds me of how hazbin hotel has husk(alasters slave) be an overlord(an important figure in the shows ver of hell) yet no one not even LUCIFERS DAUGHTER realises that he is an overlord
Thank you for not thinking Iâm a G1 purist đ, Iâm a huge fan of the franchise as a whole and there are things I like about G3, but it missed the mark for me 1000%
And yes honestly youâre right about G3 torelai x clawdeen orz, Iâm trying to give the Toradeen fans something lmao. But G3 torelai also just fits into my distaste of enemies to lovers, because like you said she is racist đđđđ and idk how or why clawdeen came to trust her at all omg. I get it, she did one selfless act and now you see the good in her, they had to write her out of being a jerk somehow. But itâs just no fun. Torelai this season is more akin to G1 Cleo, sheâs vain and bossy and wants to be respected. But G1 cleo wasnât mean to EVERYONE, she had her ride or die ghoulia, she loved deuce, and sheâs like normal vain teenage girl mean, not âew you dirty humanâ.
And I didnât even think of the Twyla stereotyping. Critiquing autism and autistic characters is so hard because it is a spectrum, and not one character is going to represent all. But it becomes a little iffy when itâs supposed to be a spectrum but a lot of characters share similar traits/ stereotypes. I feel like the big 3 in autism traits most characters have are -bad eye contact, needs noise canceling head phones, one special interest(typically in something academic like reading or learning the history of a specific animal. Also the special interest will conveniently line up with said characters job). I donât think any of these things are inherently bad or wrong or ableist, but i would like to see something new. I head canon G3 Frankie to be autistic. I know itâs because theyâre new, so they take everything very literal, but thatâs something I see more often with my own friends on the spectrum over them needing noise canceling headphones idk. Also whereâs the food sensory issues or clothing sensory issues?
(It didnât even register to me that they were eating the whole dang tamale omg đđ thatâs so unserious)
And the whole talismans thing in general will definitely get a whole rant because they seem so important yet they are scattered across all of monster high. Why wasnât anyone looking for Selena wolf when she disappeared? No one thought to gather the tailsmen? How new are some of these tailsmen and where do they come from? Like if gorgons werenât allowed at MH until dueces mom, how is there a talisman? What about a zombie tailsmen? If they hate humans, shouldnât Frankie feel some kind of way because theyâre the child of victor frankenstine? A human??? Lagoonas thirst for human blood is just not fun lmao. It seems like the only way they could think to make her âscaryâ. And on clawdeens parentsâŠis the mom not going to get any flack for marrying a human?? I think catarina hated it but like no one else even cared đđ
Hazbin hotel is a whole different rant đ. Youâre telling me, the DAUGHTER of LUICIFER, is offering a free ticket to heaven, and no one cares?? People arenât lining up at her door begging to be let in??đ no one could tell vagatha is an angel? Like you said, no one knew husk was an overlord? No one cared that allistor was back in town?? The angels donât care when Adam cusses and swears, but when Charlie does it, itâs disrespectfulâŠ? So angel dust confides in husk about hating his job after being SAed and husks response is âeh weâre all losers get over itâ. Why is Sir Snake Guy in heavenâŠ? Like it makes no sense to međđ that show is a completely different bag of worms. Once again interesting premise but terrible execution
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