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Ok, as a dude, I want to add to this discussion : this change means you're under their skin. It's a mechanical response when you're angry or emotional. If you see a guy do this, they're trying to be the "rational one".
If you notice this change, you're probably winning.
if you dont have me on facebook you are probably not missing out on any posts but the comment section is important too lmao
I went to the Renaissance faire dressed as a warrior. I had a real sword with me, too. I was standing (in character) next to a sword-fighting ring, where kids of all ages got the chance to pick up a sword and challenge the champion. Some woman walks by, with her little girl. The girl starts walking towards the ring, saying she wants to fight. But the mom pulled her away hella sharply, and was like, “That’s for boys.” You don’t want to be a BOY, do you?”   And the girl looked around and saw me. I think she thought I was a boy; I had my hair in a ponytail, and was wearing a hood. So she comes up to me and asks me, “Do you think girls can be fighters, too?” And her mom looks like she’s silently gloating. Like she thinks I’m going to say no. So I take off my hood, untie my hair so that it flows freely, and kneel before her. And I’m like, “Milady, anyone can be a fighter.” I swear, the look on that mother’s face made my day.
Okay, this is a slight topic diversion, but in response to the above comment. I’ve volunteered at the CT Ren Faire for years now. For the last 5 or so I’ve worked in the game section, and we have a game similar to the above comment called “Smite the Knight”. I’ve been in the ring before, it’s a ton of fun getting to run around with the kids. The main goal is entertainment. Have a good shtick, keep the crowd engaged, and let the kids have a good time.
In both work and observing, I have learned something about kids. A lot of parents try to get their boys to go fight. Of the young ones that do, they tend to be shy. You get the ones who just swing the boffer swords around with no regard for life, but, mostly, they’re reserved. It’s adorable. I mean, they’re kids.
But the girls. THE GIRLS. Holy crap. I swear, the pinker the dress, the more taffeta and glitter…the more intensity. I remember, the first year I worked there, one girl came in, grabbed the biggest sword she could, and WENT TO TOWN on our knight. Lifted it over head, let out this primal scream and mowed him down. Homeboy is 6′2″, she was FIVE. And once he was in the fetal position (He was fine. It was for show.) on the ground, she stopped, put her foot on his chest, and yelled “I AM A FIERCE PRINCESS!!”. Later in the day when she walked by a couple of us yelled “Ah! It’s the fierce princess!” and she stopped and flexed. It was the best, and I will never forget that girl.
I taught karate for like 5 years, and the girls were always, pound for pound, better than the boys. Even the girls who didn’t really want to do it and were only there because their parents made them were better than like 95% of the boys.
I was playing fiddle at a ren faire, and two little girls were really enjoying our set. After quite some time one of them walked up to me and shyly offered me her star tinsel tiara, because she “didn’t have any money. And this protects you from trolls!” I said “Thanks, that’s really sweet – but what about you? Don’t you need protection from trolls?”
At which point this six-ish-year-old girl whips out her certificate from the axe throwing booth and says “Nah, I’m fine.”
I still have that tinsel tiara. It’s draped over my modem. I figure it’ll protect me from the most trolls that way.
the thing you gotta understand about little girls is that they’re under so much pressure and have so little leeway from adults, that given half a chance, they can and will throw hands with total abandon.
When you realize that all the adults that told you growing up that rough housing and shit was for boys and too rough for little girls, that really they were trying to stop you from realizing early on what kind of raw primal power you had hidden under that tutu for fear that once you realized the truth your parents would no longer be able to contain your power…
I’ve got a 3 year old niece and I’m already convinced she’s going to be an MMA fighter…
I am a guy. I practiced karate for 15 years. Once I got my black belt, I realized my instructor stopped sending other people to spar the younger girls and only sent me and the other advanced students. The boys lined to fight, yeah, but the girls? They were out for blood, and the instructor needed his best students to fight them.
I've never gotten my ass beat worse than when I sparred with the girls. And I've been in actual fights.
"You fight like a girl" is the greatest compliment I can give you.
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Hello! I've been reading up on a lot of folks' critiques of BL3's writing here & there, including the writing quality of the twins, but I'm curious as to what you'd think of instead of the twins as the main baddies, we had the other two we saw a couple times, Pain & Terror, as the primary baddies. I personally thought they'd have made for more entertaining baddies, where they host a reality show that attracts all the bandit gangs to them, instead of the cringe inducing Twitch stream references.
Ah yes, I’m right back on my shit again. Buckle up!
I want to get off Border-Spam’s wild ride.
OK, so! Pain and Terror. Great stuff. Dramatically theatrical entertainers who live stream sacrifices and raids in honour of the beings they worship? Nice.
Know what’s juicier than that though?Â
Two cursed twin Sirens (one a male!!), locked in a spiral of both loathing and relying on each other to reach their goals while they lead a massive pyramid scheme scam-religion as self-made false Gods, bleeding their followers dry through predatory megachurches and donation tiers while they scrabble against the Crimson Raiders in a race for ultimate power.Â
So.. how come the Twins were completely shit then while Pain and Terror, who you had about 2 hours with, came across great?
It’s because Pain and Terror got a short, satisfying arc of introduction -> threat -> urgency -> climax -> payoff... and the Twins got fucking 30+ hours of non-stop TELL don’t SHOW while Randy Pitchford made fart sounds in the background.
And guess what, every “bad” character mostly disliked by the fans and every “good” character that’s mostly liked, follows this same pattern. The longer their screen time within the story, the more likely they turned into a trainwreck. Essay under the cut. /dab
One of Bl3′s main failures in writing (bar all the other shit everyone and myself has brought up 1000s of times jesus christ oh god oh god hhh), is the complete lack of “Show don’t Tell”.Â
“Show don’t Tell”, for anyone who’s not heard of it, is one of the crux points of any characterisation or story writing. It’s the idea that if you only tell a reader about something and it never actually takes place as a tangible scenario or character action, it ceases to actually have any weight.Â
Now I am not a professional writer, I’m a tool with a Tumblr blog and a bad case of loving a pair of fucking atrocious characters, but the Bl3 writing team are professionals. They know this rule, so I still maintain this isn’t their fault and whatever crapped all over the plot of this game was out of their hands.
Either way though, any character who was in the spotlight for more than 1 or 2 chapters was a complete shitshow. Yes, you may have your favorites within them, but looking at the game while unbiased shows too many pain points to ignore, even when it’s with a character so many people including myself love, like Tannis.Â
The Twins and Lilith are great examples of how “Show don’t Tell” being ignored destroys characters completely regardless of their backstory or what possibilities they had to be amazing.
We are told that the Twins lead a mega religion. That Troy is desperately cunning. That Tyreen is horrifically vicious. That their sway over corporations and billions of followers is so powerful, they have an unstoppable army of unlimited, deathly devoted followers.
We are told that. What are we shown for 30 hours?
Idiots. 2 people who barely are even shown on screen, have absolutely no sway over Pandora bar mayyyyybe a couple of hundred poorly equipped bandits we mow down, and who’s Grand Cathedral had like.. ten people in it. Two fucking morons who kinda hated each other just a lil bit till one of them popped his clogs and the other shrugged and walked on. The COV isn’t even the main enemy in the game. That’s Maliwan... for some reason. COV forces just randomly show up in between Maliwan fights. Even the takedowns are Maliwan. Maliwan is on Necrotafeyo long after Katagawa is dead with no logical explanation other than the only other enemy option was the COV, and they held so little threat that no one playing would have cared.
We are told that Lilith is an incredible commander, that she’s seen as some kind of awesome leader, worshiped as a hero across Pandora. That she’s trusted to lead the entirety of the crimson Raiders to the point of not being questioned by her subordinates, that after the events with Hector, she’s reaffirmed her maturity and prowess as someone to follow.
We are told that. What are we shown for 30 hours?
Idiot. Mistake after obvious mistake. Clueless leader. Atrocious at managing even a tiny crew. Acts like the VH’s victories the raider’s, then sacrifices herself at the end while we are treated to a montage of everyone loving her so much as Thiiis girl is on fiiiiyaaaaa plays, like we are meant to actually be remotely invested in an NPC who did nothing but sniff her own fingers and proc “Speak to Lilith” quests the entire game.
The characters who survived this slow assassination are the likes of Winny and Hammerlock, Clay, Katagawa, the ones most fans agree are good.
But they are only good because they got a short, concise story arc and weren’t stretched out into absolute bullshit by atrocious writing for the entire rest of the game. It’s the same reason the DLC’s are so much better than the main plot, the story is clear, has an actual flow, and always follows introduction -> threat -> urgency -> climax -> payoff... the main game didn’t for any major character.
If Winny and Wainwright had been main story characters for more than 1 or 2 chapters? Folks, I can assure you they would had ended up terrible. If Katagawa, P+T, or Aurelia had been the main villains instead of the Twins? They would have been assassinated the exact same way.Â
All the characters in BL3 are good characters, Ava included, the bad ones were just handled so poorly that they were ruined before they got the chance to shine.
This is spot on. I had an argument with my coop buddy about how I thought Ava was actually written exactly like real teenager, and that I didn't think she was badly written. Here vehemently disagreed. However, your breakdown shows me that in all honesty it's not that she was a bad character, it's that she wasn't used well.
Her whining isn't the problem, it's that her "growth" is unearned. They used her poorly so now everyone hates her.
This entire website is mostly just a cluster of people not giving a flying fuck, and I can sit comfortably in it, not thinking twice before posting and it's just so nice. No other platform is really like this.
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We make decisions based on tons of different, often subjective factors. We learn and grow and experience our own lives and that builds the basis of your way of thinking.
On a fundamental level, we spend every day since birth using rudimentary science. Observe a phenomenon, hypothesize the underlying logic or reason, apply that to future events to influence the outcome, often sharing our results with people around us. This is how a baby learns how to talk, crawl,and interact with the world.
This is not perfect science, however, and often we fall into biases. Confirmation bias, where we ignore information that is contrary to our existing belief, like "mom smoked a pack a day and died at 98, the risks are overblown".
The reason real, serious science requires considering a large data set is because the observations from one instance can be unreliable. If you flip a coin 10 times, what are the odds they are 5 heads in a row and 5 tails in a row? Exactly the same as 10 heads in a row (Both can be written as .5^10). But if you flipped a coin and got 10 heads as a kid, you might start claiming it always lands on heads.
A friend used to tell me "the plural of anecdote is not data." Humans like to see patterns everywhere. It's a code in our brains that helped up survive. But "common sense" is just healing those percieve patterns and taking them as granted. Sometimes, they are right, like "don't eat that month old rotten onion". Sometimes, they are wrong, like how "eating fatty foods makes you fat, so eat fat free foods".
There is no common sense. There is only learned assumptions. Don't treat your "common sense" like you just know better than other people. And please, try to think about why you believe something is true. Because the line between common sense and willful ignorance if refusing to consider you might be wrong.
okay legit question—I never got bl3 (idk why I was excited for it and all I guess I was waiting for a price drop?) and now I’m like do I really even want it anymore...? like TFTBL is one of my all time favs, but not sure on BL3. what were all your problems with the story? feel free to link me to another post if you’ve already explained elsewhere!
i don’t think i’ve put all my problems w the story in one post before, so i’m happy to answer here! spoilers ahead obviously :) under a cut cos its long
my main points of contention with it are that the story is poorly constructed and the characters are one-dimensional and poorly-realized. some other things too, but those two come immediately to mind, and are my biggest problems with it
the glaringly obvious examples of the character-mangling are vaughn and maya. with vaughn they took like... one facet of his personality and made him an archetype. he’s so. fucking. annoying. all he does is talk about how he loves bandit lyfe! and his siiiick abs! do you know he works out? and is a bandit? you don’t need to know anything else! thats all he is! apparently! and maya was just. insulting. it was explained in her backstory tapes that she HATED the abbey and everything it stood for. why would she go back to athenas to protect the very abbey that exploited her? its just so out of character
the calypsos are so disappointing as well. they had the ability to be such good villains! i believe that in my heart! it seemed like all the tension between troy and tyreen, with troy feeling like tyreen didn’t need him and tyreen feeling like troy was about to overthrow her, was building UP to something! but it didn’t! it was so anticlimactic!
and then theres like. so many little things that add up to the colossal disappointment that is bl3′s story. tannis is a siren? and shes just been. hiding it from everyone?? lilith goes out in a blaze of glory and leaves sanctuary to AVA? THE 14 YEAR OLD? the player characters make NO impact on the story at all. like this game is all about sirens and playing as amara changes NOTHING. npcs don’t even have unique dialogue relating to the player character. they had that in the pre-sequel! 5 years ago! fiona and sasha are?!?!?! WHO KNOWS WHERE! the writers don’t care about them! athena? gone. janey? gone. axton, salvador? gone. they changed “m*dget” to “tink” bcos they wanted to be “inclusive” but there are NO helpful or good npcs that are tinks. theres a man in a dress joke at one point in the main story. racism is still abundant! balex is a character. which makes the game horrible all on its own
but. its not all bad? the gameplay is the best the series has ever achieved. the player characters are a delight! there is not a single track on the ost that does not slap. some of the sidequests are really funny/well written! handsome jackpot+guns love and tentacles are pretty good overall (haven’t played bounty of blood yet). and the guardian lore that we got from the proving grounds and the eridian writings is VERY INTERESTING
but all in all its a sub-par product. if you like tales the best, you’re in it for the story. and this game just won’t deliver that
So. First I really do adore this game. Second, you are 100% correct.
Im playing the game through again with one friend who played 2 and two more friends who have never played a bl game. And im sitting here realizing they wrote it in such a way that if you never played a BL game it doesn't make any sense. At all. After one of them beat the ravager, he asked me to explain what the hell a vault is. Because the game does nothing to prime you. But worse, the story is therefore written in a way that implies it's a game for those of us who know the games already and...shits on what we love.
The only characters done well, imo, are lorelai, Wainwright, and hammerlock. Everyone else is either unrecognizable from their former appearances or so under used you can't say. If you don't do side quests, maya shows up and ... yeah... in under 45 minutes. Why? To prop up Ava? Who literally whines for the rest of the game then pulls a 180 leading up to the fight against troy.
Why didn't we bother reuniting Vaughn and Rhys? The set up of the presequel is ignored? And, of course, the dirty itself essentially ignores the player. It's not its who save the day, we stand around and let the twins just off people in cut scenes, the final save the world moment goes to lilith.
The main story is bad. Full stop. I didn't finish handsome jackpot, but did finish love and tentacles. L&T is fantastic. Better story, better characters, better setting, better jokes.
Kife fucking killed me.
I will play this game to death, but I will never forgive them for what they did to Maya.
Petition for when a Destiny player is found harassing other players, sexual or otherwise, that upon them being reported they are then transported to a screen where it's just your Guardian stuck sitting in a chair as LORD SHAXX berate them for 30mins on why their actions are not becoming of a Guardian.
The more times they get reported longer the time Time Lord SHAXX berates them. Also you can not skip or log out of it. If your console is turn off before he's done, next time you log in he will be ready to start again.
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