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Q. does the kr say it's also a mirror image for places that don't exist in reality? or is it similar ambiguous wording :O
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Alright first of all it's 'ķ¼ģ“ ķ“ė¦¬ė' so I think it might be intended to be 'Fear Cleaner' lol
Anyway the building is :
likely to be mirror img of buildings that exist in reality
but sometimes it's a place that doesn't exist in reality
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damn a new researcher alreadyā¦ Bye BSHā¦
lol as KSE says this is like regression arc
KSE having to maneuver carefully to avoid raising any suspicion re: BSH and JNSā¦
ok another one of those rule based creepypasta
C rankā¦
Will be fun to see KSE do everything correctly & be known as a crazy elite, like back in part 1
WHAT
OMG
Undercover Boss!!
Wonder if JNS is sent to the same building. It's 25 people who went together. JNS might be not in the same batch, she was way far back when KSE looked back. Is she also cleaning some building with personal history I wonder
Also wonder if LSH might somehow appear? Maybe even LJH?
People on the tl naturally hoping for the Heouns. I wonder if they appear they would recognize him as the owner.
Oh wait, right, is this how he's gonna get the Good Friend doll again? Last time he did it through a gift shop that he created in his area. If that's still around in this version of the resort...
Omg could it be that bc of no tattoo, the resort manager will not recognize him as his employer? Regardless of whether there's contract time still left?
Ok wait. the contract time was three years then some iirc. People at discord helped me realize that roughly a year or so passed since then before KSE left the world (6 months as 130666 + 293 days during loop, among other things). And then 3 years passed. So....................
Also - I'm seeing people hope for Blue Mascot appearance, but I wonder if Blue Dragon is even still around? It's not like they wanted to be a mascot in the first place, and at the end of part 2 they regained their true power. Would they be still taking care of the theme park? ...Ig they might be, they might have gotten attached to it.
The solsah people on twt are hoping that KSE might pick up the paper boat from the resort - since, yk, the stuff inside the tattoo were kept somewhere in the resort...
Meanwhile the JNS fans seem happy that she regained her hair length, lol. I'm seeing twts like "The world is finally going right" etc. Happy for them but aw, I had grown fond of her short hair...
twt : "Well, it's only right you clean your own place."
Just a random thought: when our SoupSols realized their soup nature and Nasol rejected her sense of self (and her humanity), my first reaction was, "But you both can collect Dream Essence! So at least, you're categorically human!"
It's an easy conclusion to reach based on the story's logic, but then I started thinking... doesn't that also mean their humanity is being defined by whether they can be productive or "create value" to Daydream? That's a pretty bleak yardstick to use.
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soupsols š
The dream essence thing is pretty interesting. LJH the alien can collect it. J3 can't - except when he is divided into past and present, the past self can. KSE the good friend can - as long as he believes himself to be human & is not heavily contaminated (the one time he couldn't collect it in part 1 was during resort arc, bc of the contamination). So it may be that the criteria is mainly 'contamination'.
But anyway, yeah. You're right. In the end, that's a criteria for whether they're useful human resources from Daydream's povā¦ That's interesting to think of.
I mean, people like J3 can be very helpful in navigating ghost stories and finding missing people (as we see during Sangun) but he is not allowed to pursue that bc it doesn't benefit the company since he can't collect dream essence.
I do wonder whether we'll learn more about dream essence, since it didn't originate from Daydream. It was Cheerful Research Institute who first made use of dream essence, wasn't it?
the text on the sticker on the neck for today's ep was updated to reflect today's ep!
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omg I was worried about how JNS might take it. Immediately she doesn't take it well. She's so calm about it, that's the worrying part š
good thing KSE is now an expert at handling self identity crisisā¦
oh he even says it. This is a subject he's contemplated a lot
it's as he saysā¦ He's been worse.
OMG NO!
oh thank god I was worried JNS would lose her memories
oh wow KSE!
ok this was a lot more hopeful ep than I imagined. KSE has been through such hell before that this time he recovered and got a handle on things super quickly. It was like looking at Park Moondae almost. The determination!
It was pointed out to me that BSH didn't see the color of the goo. Imagining BSH bringing them some of those premium orange/mandarin hybrids Being like hey... since we're at jeju you should at least drink some hanrabong juice... not that I was thinking about you or anything... (KSE, JNS : .....)
OK jokes aside I really loved that scene.
"What are you talking about?"
Baek Saheonās pupils trembled violently, then hardened and sank.
"What theā¦ whatā¦."
"Iām sorry."
"So what if you're sorry? If it was going to be like this, you shouldnāt have dragged me into this in the first place. Why would you say that now when you've already dragged me inā¦!"
With a thud, Baek Saheon grabbed me by the collar. Senseless, panic-like rage surged from his eyes.
"Donāt you give up! Youāre still alive and moving! Itās not too late yetā¦"
"I'm not giving up."
"ā¦!!"
"Why would I give up?"
I met Baek Saheonās widened eyes and spoke in a low voice.
"When I can still try."
Such a good scene. BSH getting mad, almost feeling betrayed about having failed to save KSE and JNS. But then he gets mad that KSE might be giving up on his life.
Many people on twt pointed this out - BSH has previously seen KSE talk about 'sometimes wanting to die' during Jisan. They seemingly bonded over it, even - from that ep, BSH, even though he's so attached to his life, seemingly also has experienced suicidal urges.
Throughout this arc BSH has been urging at KSE to put his own life first. (sometimes under the mistaken assumption that KSE would risk his own life for a lost cause) And that's what he immediately does this time as well - except, of course KSE isn't giving up.
KSE isn't the type to give up on his own life, that one time in Jisan being the outlier. (even in that ep, he didn't give up until the very last moment with the centipede.)
Besides, like he himself says in this ep, he's been through a lot worse than this. He spent nearly the entirety of part 2 pondering what he is, what he can be, when he isn't human (or even the og KSE). He's like a veteran at this now.
Anyway it was a nice scene.
People on twt talking about how sah and sol alternate being the anxious one and the stable one, lol.
The 'KSE will rise to the level of Director' theory gaining points...
twt about JNS :
"I think she's someone who finds it easy to give up on life, perhaps because she worked in a profession where human beings were treated like mere parts (something like a mercenary) and lived with persistent, subtle pain.
(she was just stuck at the branch office / she almost died after being showered with hydrochloric acid during the magic bunny parade).
To be honest, what KSE did in this episode felt like a temporary stopgap measure to block JNS from thinking any deeper, but for that very reason I think it was a good thing KSE was around. Otherwise, JNS seems like the kind of woman who would quickly reach the conclusion of "I'm giving up on my life" and carry it out."
ask on 404 : mtl question (the img translation) + thoughts
AnonymousĀ asked:
In chapter 404, we get to see how KSE is really the only one keeping it together lol. JNS almost gives up and BSH freaks out, and yet KSE is out here like āAh, Iāve gone through worse things.ā Itās nice to see him be very sure of his own identity, because out of anyone Iām sure he would be the one to have the strongest understanding of himself given the circumstances.
It makes me very happy, because it feels very different from KSEās avoidant attitude we saw in part 1 for example. Mentally, heās actually doing the best heās ever been! Despite the circumstancesā¦
I thought the chapter being about certainty in oneās own identity was a bit ironic given the chapter number (404: not found) and I wonder if that was intentional?
ANYWAYS, my mtl question is: what does the new sticker say? The sticker on KSEās neck has changed, and this was reflect in the cover too, but what words does it use exactly and how is it different from before?
Thank you!
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Ok answer to mtl question first.
At first, the sticker said :
Z999
Classification : Worker
Days left : 84
and then, in ep 399 :
Z999
This worker has left their position
Capture required
And in beginning of 404 (the one shown on the day's cover) :
Expendable
Expired Item
Please call the disposal manager
Then, after the recycling procedure :
Number To Be Decided
Classification : Worker
Days left : 100
Hope that helps!
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Yeah, it was so good to see KSE doing well!
It's like he said this ep, KSE really went thorugh it all before. He spent the entirety of part 2 wrestling with the question of self-identity. Those days didn't go to waste.
I think KSE's relatively healthy state of mind might also be affected by having spent a year outside of ghost stories, in his comfortable home & the og KSE having spent a year (or maybe three?) receiving therapy.
Following paragraph contains DoD ep 404 spoiler :
In DoD, ep 404 featured a 'System error' of sorts. However, the end result was positive. It featured a character overcoming the System and regaining his own self. You could say that it also featured 'certainty in one's own identity'. So yes, maybe it was deliberate writing on GSGW as well.
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If kse somehow ends up becoming a director in the long run,I really want him to make saheon and nasol have high positions under his wing or basically like his right hand men but still a respectful position,which in the case of this company idk whatās the highest thing after director but anyway he should do something like that..especially saheon who voluntarily decided to help him without him himself being in the same situation as him..anyway reward your day ones!
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haha I can picture it.
Assuming Daydream works like a normal company (which weirdly it does in a lot of ways) I don't think a single Director would have enough power to promote someone all the way to near the top BUT it seems like both Cheong and Ho had a lot of pull in office politics & BSH and JNS themselves are close to ideal Daydream employeesā¦
Idk that the novel will take the route of 'KSE goes all the way to the top' but it's fun to imagine KSE being a director with people like BSH and JNS as his right hands. (If he can have 37 eyes he can have 2 right hands)
Ok the chapter went better than i expected,itās nice to see soleum having such a clear sense of identity..
And we kinda predicted that heāll go a similar route to director hošsorry but despite everything I really enjoy the story much more when itās around daydream
-but the basic recycling that soleum did ,how is it different from the other workers? How was he able to retain his memories?
-and my pookie was waiting for them and didnāt leave š„¹he even panicked a little seeing his efforts go to waste,but instead of giving up he was even trying to encourage soleum!! If even after all this soleum still thinks heās doing it for benefits..
-does this mean saheon will help him in exploring darknesses with him and nasol?šplease say yes i wanna see him for another arc too,i mean soleum didnāt exclude him when talking about his plans so
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Yeah it was so nice seeing KSE having grown after going through the entirety of part 2 (and also having spent a year healing at the real world while his og self received therapy lol)
Curious to see if he really will rise to the top! Will he go the Moondae routeā¦
re: basic recycling, KSE deduces that the 'Custom 26' is the setting that is currently used, and that the branch office's recycling has enough specific settings that they're now at 'Custom 26'. He further deduces that this means 'Basic Recycling' is the one that only does basic recycling procedures. (i.e. no messing with memories and such)
Yes BSH was waiting for them outside and even was like 'Are you here? Good.' haha. I also liked how KSE was so gentle in letting him find out about the truth of the factory.
I'd love to see more of the branch office trio! I don't think BSH himself will go exploring darknesses with them, but KSE's plan would benefit from having a section chief by his side, right? (unless something bad happens to BSHā¦ which I really hope it doesn'tā¦)
I mean itās just theories but omg this makes soleum and saheon relationship even more complicated..
And like the way soleum told the researcher he will die these days and he actually diedā¦soleum does give creepy vibes sometimes..
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hmmmm
hmmmmmm
Interesting theory.
The thing is, so far, what we know about Ireum-nim all fits with the simple meta truth of this actually being the wiki writers.
Therefore, so far, from what we know, it doesn't work like normal god & believer stuff.
Ok so let's look at the Ireum-nim article from ep 237.
Ireum-nim.
The being worshipped by the Nameless Radiance Church, a cult religion appearing in . It is said that only their will and choices hold meaning in this world.
In fact, their true identity is [Spoiler].
Content revealed by clicking Spoiler.
Writers of the wiki.
(ā¦)
The Nameless Radiance Church worships this 'Writer: Name', having mistaken them as a great divine being.
and here's what KSE says to the happy ending sect twins in the same ep :
Death is not an escape.
One cannot escape from Ireum-nim.
"Th-that's."
Therefore, death cannot be
ā¶ happiness.
ā¶ an ending.
It means there is no such thing as a happy ending.
Therefore, going around killing people under that pretext is...
Doctrinal contradiction
Meaningless act
(and then the happy ending twins reveal that they know this fully well & that they are only acting out this pretense so that the wiki writers would find them entertaining etc)
and then, earlier, from ep 199 :
"There is no freedom in this world.
"This world belongs to Ireum-nim. It has meaning only when chosen by Ireum-nim - you must acknowledge this truth, practice self-discipline, and plant and cultivate the seeds of the source in the world to be chosen by Them.
"Your free will is meaningless; only Ireum-nim's will and choice have meaning."
"The weak who cannot accept this truth have fled the world to death, but that is not an escape."
He declares.
"There is no escape from Ireum-nim."
ā¦ā¦
"This word is liberation."
So, so far the Ireum-nim thing has been very consistent with the 'wiki writers' concept.
Because what can written characters really achieve by believing in & worshiping the writers who are writing them?
Nothing.
The only way the characters can affect things is by being so entertaining to read that the writers decide to keep writing them.
Of course, now that KSE has made personal relationships with these characters, that's another way for them to affect Ireum-nim.
Idk about characters affecting Ireum-nim's powers by worshipping Ireum-nim, though, esp since so far canon has denied this again and again. Ig it could be revealed that something like that is going on later of course, but as of now, idk.
I did find the researcher death prediction interesting. Could Ireum-nim's words, even when not intended, have world-writing capabilities...
I think another reason why i like saheon is that,novels like this are filled with kind characters and self sacrificial characters and victims who remain kind despite every horrible thing they went through..so seeing a character who prioritises himself instead,and a victim who reflects the trauma he experienced in every action and decision he does,a victim who didnāt remain kind and sad despite the horrors ,is refreshingā¦he is both a victim and perpetrator,and heās not a beautiful victim that invites sympathy from readers(except some specific times) and I like that..heās messy,heās mentally not stable and have had meltdowns,he can be annoying in how he talks,heās realistic..
It is why i could never hate jin nasol as well,(tho i think jin nasol is made to be more palatable since sheās cool and has aura,and overall seems mature)and even back then when so many people hated ho yuwon i didnt hate him and i thought he was intriguing
So i think its a shame when people only limit themselves to morally good characters but to each their own
Yes! I think BSH and Ho Yuwon are similar in that they're victims who are not picture-perfect victims.
They're victims who are, frankly speaking, terrible people. They lived through trauma and it made their hearts ugly.
Some thoughts on Ho. (plus a bit on RJK and JNS)
I didn't like Ho at first bc his way of talking reminded me too much of irl bosses orzā¦ but when he began to get personal and emotional at the end of part 1, then I began to get intrigued.
My favorite Ho moment is actually when he pushes RJK into the evil torture box.
I really love that ep (240) bc it shows everyone's character so clearly.
Dolphin saying they should sacrifice the most evil people.
Choi going, excuse me? sacrifice civilians? and then RJK going, no, if we're sacrificing anyone, we as the government will do the choosing.
Which, as it turns out, was like 'dancing on Ho's trauma buttons' as a twt user put it.
So Ho goes, okay. This time, I do the choosing.
And then he pushes RJK, the most Bureau-like agent, into the box.
Even back when we didn't know about the extent of Ho's deal, it was clear that what RJK said had pushed Ho's buttons in some way.
I also love the convo between Ho and RJK in a later ep (290).
RJK goes, look, the Bureau isn't perfect, but at least they did what they did to save more people. But you're putting people at harm for your own private goal. Do you think your behavior can be justified by your resentment?
To which Ho goes : Why should it be justified? There's no such thing in the world as justified action. You just have to know that every choice comes with a price, and handle that.
It really shows how they see the world differently. RJK is always trying to sincerely do the 'right' thing in an objective way. Meanwhile, Ho views the world as entirely subjective. The Bureau wronged him, so he holds resentment. Presumably, he is also aware that his actions of wronging others have resulted in resentment against him as well, and is prepared to handle that price.
Ho is such an interesting character and a great foil to both Ryu and Choi imo though I only talked about Ryu here.
Anyway, yeah, anon, I also find characters who are morally complex to be intriguing.
Even Ryu who I mentioned above. He's a murderer! People often forget this.
And Jin Nasol, yeah, she was so cruel against poor Heoun. Although less people dislike her (I imagine another reason than the ones you mentioned is that she has a positive attitude towards the protag) she definitely is shown to be a person who is cruel to the weak, to those at the bottom of the totem pole - which is made more complex when we learn more about her in part 3.
All in all I really like how GDCG treats those characters.
I know what saheon did in first chapters really left a bad impression on both readers and kse..and Iām not justifying both the self harm and harming other..but at the end of that arc didnāt the people who did nothing and only got carried by kse ended up dying..? So if saheon didnt act on his own and only followed kse lead he could have very much died right?
I know some of his actions in part 1 was horrible but I really can never blame him too much,most of his decisions are out of a calculated need for survival and self preservation,even if harmful..
I really think heās such a well written character
But also seeing him slowly opening up because of kse and bending the walls he built around himself his whole life and risking his safety like this..is both tragic yet beautiful..at the end he too was a human that craved connection..but that connection will come at the price of him having to risk himself..which is the reason why people build these walls in the first place..
Well i just hope he stays safe by the end of it all..and hereās hoping for more screentime š!
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Anon omg I think that first arc is so so well written. Such a good intro to his character. (And KSE and GYE as well! but focusing on BSH here)
Man I wrote a whole thing about that ep and accidentally deleted it š„ might try to rewrite it later as a separate postā¦ anyway
Yes you're right. Everyone but BSH, KSE, GYE and the guy who lost his eye to BSH (presumably bc he did end up sacrificing an eye as well) dies, bc they were carried by KSE. It's not out of the question (and even likely imo) that in a KSE-less world, BSH would have been the only one to survive out of that train car.
So BSH very much made the correct choice for survival.
He really is a well written character.
I think, in BDS's prev work, morality was a bit simpler aside from this one guy who I won't name. Charas like BSH, esp, I think would have ended as a minor villain. I think BSH is one of the attempts by BDS to try something different from DoD - to make a guy like this a major chara (even the first one to talk to KSE in the ghost story world) and give him pathos and narrative depth and a complicated relationship with the protagonist that evolves throughout the storyā¦
Anyway I really enjoy him a lot.
You're right that this is a risky route for BSH to take. He's been purely geared towards survival, treating other people as tools, but now he's bonding with other people and opening himself up. By doing this he is risking physical, material and emotional harm.
But also, look at his life until now. In part 2, we get a bit of what he's like at home, and he's just lying on the sofa. In the current day, he's the section chief of a major corpo who probably makes tons of money, and yet he's never even been to Jeju Island. He has no family (none that he loves that is), no friends, and, I suspect, no hobbies.
And that's how his life would have ended, if it followed DER. Whether because of some darkness or because of the apocalypse, it would have been cut short, while he's still a section chief, presumably still in his early thirties.
Idk where I'm going with this. Ig one thing I'm trying to say is, his prev way of life wouldn't have guaranteed complete safety either. Even though BSH is a seasoned veteran at survival, nobody can control their fate in the world completely. And I think it'd have been sad if he died so early while having spent the last years of his life living with nothing but survival on his mind.
Anyway yeah. I too hope he continues to have regular screentime and stay safe till the end!
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Ok the chapter went better than i expected,itās nice to see soleum having such a clear sense of identity..
And we kinda predicted that heāll go a similar route to director hošsorry but despite everything I really enjoy the story much more when itās around daydream
-but the basic recycling that soleum did ,how is it different from the other workers? How was he able to retain his memories?
-and my pookie was waiting for them and didnāt leave š„¹he even panicked a little seeing his efforts go to waste,but instead of giving up he was even trying to encourage soleum!! If even after all this soleum still thinks heās doing it for benefits..
-does this mean saheon will help him in exploring darknesses with him and nasol?šplease say yes i wanna see him for another arc too,i mean soleum didnāt exclude him when talking about his plans so
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Yeah it was so nice seeing KSE having grown after going through the entirety of part 2 (and also having spent a year healing at the real world while his og self received therapy lol)
Curious to see if he really will rise to the top! Will he go the Moondae routeā¦
re: basic recycling, KSE deduces that the 'Custom 26' is the setting that is currently used, and that the branch office's recycling has enough specific settings that they're now at 'Custom 26'. He further deduces that this means 'Basic Recycling' is the one that only does basic recycling procedures. (i.e. no messing with memories and such)
Yes BSH was waiting for them outside and even was like 'Are you here? Good.' haha. I also liked how KSE was so gentle in letting him find out about the truth of the factory.
I'd love to see more of the branch office trio! I don't think BSH himself will go exploring darknesses with them, but KSE's plan would benefit from having a section chief by his side, right? (unless something bad happens to BSHā¦ which I really hope it doesn'tā¦)
the text on the sticker on the neck for today's ep was updated to reflect today's ep!
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omg I was worried about how JNS might take it. Immediately she doesn't take it well. She's so calm about it, that's the worrying part š
good thing KSE is now an expert at handling self identity crisisā¦
oh he even says it. This is a subject he's contemplated a lot
it's as he saysā¦ He's been worse.
OMG NO!
oh thank god I was worried JNS would lose her memories
oh wow KSE!
ok this was a lot more hopeful ep than I imagined. KSE has been through such hell before that this time he recovered and got a handle on things super quickly. It was like looking at Park Moondae almost. The determination!
It was pointed out to me that BSH didn't see the color of the goo. Imagining BSH bringing them some of those premium orange/mandarin hybrids Being like hey... since we're at jeju you should at least drink some hanrabong juice... not that I was thinking about you or anything... (KSE, JNS : .....)
OK jokes aside I really loved that scene.
"What are you talking about?"
Baek Saheonās pupils trembled violently, then hardened and sank.
"What theā¦ whatā¦."
"Iām sorry."
"So what if you're sorry? If it was going to be like this, you shouldnāt have dragged me into this in the first place. Why would you say that now when you've already dragged me inā¦!"
With a thud, Baek Saheon grabbed me by the collar. Senseless, panic-like rage surged from his eyes.
"Donāt you give up! Youāre still alive and moving! Itās not too late yetā¦"
"I'm not giving up."
"ā¦!!"
"Why would I give up?"
I met Baek Saheonās widened eyes and spoke in a low voice.
"When I can still try."
Such a good scene. BSH getting mad, almost feeling betrayed about having failed to save KSE and JNS. But then he gets mad that KSE might be giving up on his life.
Many people on twt pointed this out - BSH has previously seen KSE talk about 'sometimes wanting to die' during Jisan. They seemingly bonded over it, even - from that ep, BSH, even though he's so attached to his life, seemingly also has experienced suicidal urges.
Throughout this arc BSH has been urging at KSE to put his own life first. (sometimes under the mistaken assumption that KSE would risk his own life for a lost cause) And that's what he immediately does this time as well - except, of course KSE isn't giving up.
KSE isn't the type to give up on his own life, that one time in Jisan being the outlier. (even in that ep, he didn't give up until the very last moment with the centipede.)
Besides, like he himself says in this ep, he's been through a lot worse than this. He spent nearly the entirety of part 2 pondering what he is, what he can be, when he isn't human (or even the og KSE). He's like a veteran at this now.
Anyway it was a nice scene.
People on twt talking about how sah and sol alternate being the anxious one and the stable one, lol.
The 'KSE will rise to the level of Director' theory gaining points...
twt about JNS :
"I think she's someone who finds it easy to give up on life, perhaps because she worked in a profession where human beings were treated like mere parts (something like a mercenary) and lived with persistent, subtle pain.
(she was just stuck at the branch office / she almost died after being showered with hydrochloric acid during the magic bunny parade).
To be honest, what KSE did in this episode felt like a temporary stopgap measure to block JNS from thinking any deeper, but for that very reason I think it was a good thing KSE was around. Otherwise, JNS seems like the kind of woman who would quickly reach the conclusion of "I'm giving up on my life" and carry it out."
No but like,considering most people who were involved with ho project ended up in weird states like this makes us suspect that someone was trying to get rid of them? Maybe cheong held a grudge or something or it could be whatever,and i know saheon was smart to separate himself from the project early on but Iām sure people were still aware that he was with the project at some point,so what if they chose to keep him for now cuz they think heās not totally on hoās side and they can make use of him some more?or he simply was smart and was able to escape their clutches until now..but this is why he was sent to this branch..to observe what heāll do and what if after seeing him tryna help some workers they decided to get rid of him tooā¦? Iām saying he might not be as safe as we think but i could be totally wrong..
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anon I've actually seen similar theories on krtwt as well (ā„įŗā„;)
It's like you said, what if he was sent to this branch on purpose? to test him, or something?
Some people also theorize that Cheong knew or even planned KSE's arrival at the branchā¦ which, if this isn't KSE's first round, maybe he got noticed on previous roundsā¦ in that case, maybe it makes sense to send BSH and see what he'll doā¦
Personally I don't know that this isn't KSE's first round because I feel like in that case KSE would have stood out on prev rounds as well, and then the researcher surely would have noticed him earlier.
But the possibility is out there.
Another theory I heard is if BSH, being a newbie section chief (presumably), is relatively disposable / not with a lot of power compared to other higher-ups and hence sent to this branch where dangerous things are ongoing.
Anyway I hope it's just conspiracy and that BSH is thriving at the office while his underlings go missing in darkness every day š
A twt said back then all of them jumped from the train except for saheon..and now all of them are recycled too except for saheon (assuming seonghae is recycled too)
And..? Whatās the meaning behind this? Is this some kinda meta thing that the world decided to choose those who fell and make them go through the same thing? So if saheon fell back then he would have been in the same situation as them? Like maybe itās some kind of narrative meta stuff idk what Iām saying but this is crazy..this is why saheon isnāt too reckless in gambling his life..it seems anything you do in this world might have consequences later cuz itās a big wiki in itself..š„
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I saw that twt too!
I don't know that it necessarily means anything in-story (as in if tamra directly affected their current fates), since doing the tamra jump was shown as ultimately a good thing that leads to improvements in your morality. But it is an interesting parallel.
In-story, maybe they'll all get into some trouble that they're only able to escape bc of them having done the tamra jump, or something?
If it really is that them doing the tamra jump affected their fates...
We all made fun of BSH for being the one person to not do the 'this will improve your morals' jump. Be funny if in the end, BSH's self-preservation instincts won out once again.
We all made fun of bsh but bsh is also always the one that is left unscathed besides his one eye despite everything is always interesting to me but now that he is trying to understand more and open his heart tho he is definitely in danger more I think
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Oh I made fun of him for not doing the 'be a better person' jump in tamra, but I feel that his self preservation instincts are nothing to laugh at šāāļø
Even that eye is a sign of him finding his own way to survive. The others just followed KSE, and KSE had the wiki knowledge. BSH had none of it and survived that situation on his own.
Him leaving the Ho project team after KSE went missing was impeccable timing as well. Look at Jin Nasol, she was elite among elites and now she's been basically thrown away as trash. It's even worse then we initially thought, she's just being used as raw material basically, it's even worse than the fate of J3 imo. (Now that I'm thinking about this I'm really worried how JNS is gonna take this revelationā¦ š Nasol I'm rooting for youā¦) The others haven't fared well either, seemingly. Meanwhile BSH survived and even got promoted twice in the span of 3 years.
But yeah, it looks like he's gonna be taking more risks, right?
The initial risk he took in saving KSE and JNS paid off for him in more than just the feeling of comaraderie and fulfillment - thanks to KSE he figured out that he should escape, and thanks to deciding to stick with them to the end he got items & high grade dream essence.
But as he takes more and more risks, there'll be higher and higher chance of him getting into dangerā¦
Still, with BSH, I'm not too worried about his physical well being.
His emotional well being though...
...Actually, come to think of it, I'm not that worried about that either. I think he's a pretty resilient guy.
Still, here's hoping things don't go the worst way they could.
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answered several asks (thoughts) about 403.
Mostly on BSH
AnonymousĀ asked:
Crazy chapter omg..i think this where the cover is coming from..now iām scared for the next two chapters what the hellās gonna happen (404+friday)
And poor saheon he really tried his best to get them out but itās more complicated than that..
Do you think saheon is still at the branch waiting for them to get out? Or heās already out..i wonder if heāll appear next 2 chapters..please do you didnāt even say goodbye to soleum and the relationship is still awkward !!
Was soleum suspecting him when he saw the worker killed? Idk I really donāt think heād do something like that..but then again idk..
At the end was he describing the hole in his neck?with vermillion content coming out or whatever? Or was he talking about nasol..so does it mean soleum has been recycled too? But heās not aware?
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Surely BSH is waiting for them to get out, right? (9 hours until I'm possibly proven wrongā¦) he did ask about KSE coming to Seoul and all, surely he wants to take him to Seoul, right?
ā¦.In retrospect the seoul thing was too good to be true, lol.
Yeah I think KSE definitely suspected BSH in that moment. He does immediately go like 'let's not think that way' but I have to imagine it will become relevant that the thought even entered his mind. Whether or not BSH actually killed that guy, the fact that KSE suspected him is important I think.
Yes, in the end he was describing the hole!
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AnonymousĀ asked:
Could Saheon have killed the worker? I don't want to be suspicious of him but I can see why soleum might have thought of him. It could also be seonghae that killed him...
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It could be "seonghae" ig, though atm we dk what incentive she'd have to kill the guy. Meanwhile BSH has the incentive. (he doesn't want KSE to risk himself trying to save the guy) so yeah, it's suspicious. But who knows.
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AnonymousĀ asked:
I know people think that bsh killed that worker for some reason but I don't think so because that is very much not his style...? But man this chapter bsh probably have no idea what going on because no access??? Kse use that big brain of yours...
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Idk. It's said that the worker suffocated, right? They're all loaded into a box and then carried off through the mine carts, from where BSH can't do anything. I think it's entirely possible that BSH simply did something to the box before it got carried off so that it didn't have enough air. That method of killing someone seems very much in his style.
That said. Would he go proactively killing someone just to minimize the risk of KSE trying to help the guy, esp when KSE said he wasn't trying to put more burden on him?
ā¦tbh I think he might have, bc it feels like he'd think KSE would def try to help the guy š and, well, KSE didā¦
From a Doylist perspective I think it's more likely that he didn't, bc KSE suspects him already. But from a Watsonian perspective I think it's plausible that he did.
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AnonymousĀ asked:
If this is how they hurt bsh I'm going to end it man like he's already stressing from everything else šŖ but I also have faith in kse's brain and he will need to bring back evidence for why they can't get the sticker out and maybe they do have to burn down the whole ass branch or idk bsh is there to "go missin"
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This branch office really is something. I read a twt that went something like 'what a shit-ass branch, this is why all the young people are moving to Seoul!' that made me laugh lol
NGL ATP I'm more afraid of a wedge being driven between KSE and BSH š„ Bc of how their fight ended unresolvedā¦ and how KSE suspects BSH for a momentā¦ What if they part ways on bad terms and BSH leaves for Seoul aloneā¦
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AnonymousĀ asked:
perfect time for bsh mind break like what you mean bsh having attachments and tries to save people only for them to be in worst conditions than the last like I know he's strong minded but still girlie been stressed for a while I'm so stressed out for 404 error 404....
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The popular theory for 404 is that KSE will wake up from the ice water, right?
Ig maybe one bad scenario for BSH could be if BSH and KSE fight, KSE revealing that he suspects him of killing that guy etc, and then right in the middle of them yelling at each other KSE falls off dead bc of the ice water. RIP
And then KSE tries to fall asleep the same way next time and it's like 5 years later
hahaha...........
I wonder if BSH will do anything to help out JNS if KSE is totally out of the pictureā¦
more asks related to BSH and 403
includes random spoiler about the movie Inception (sorry)
AnonymousĀ asked:
you make good points but I personally don't think bsh killed the dude because of the fact he doesn't dirty his own hands and prefer to use his tongue to have the people go off on their own death which is more of the viper way.... but either way if he did or did not do it kse thinking he did (or we assumed he thought it was bsh but are we sure?) It will be a conflict in their relationship again which was made on distrust and lies even if they are trusting each other again. Also how would bsh even know who kse was talking about and he didn't have access again bit again good points but my guts is still telling me no but if I am wrong oh be it but I don't think he would just kill people left and right with no reason and I think he does respect kse way more to not do that.
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ok let's go through this one by one
1) BSH prefers not to dirty his own hands
-> still, he is willing to, say, cut off the head of the squad R leader back in manor of the blind. I think he prefers not to confront people outright but wouldn't mind killing if needed.
besides, all he would have needed to do is take out the air in that box.
2) how would BSH know who KSE was talking about
-> if KSE was able to discern at once who is the one sane guy, I think BSH would be able to do it too.
That said!
This is a random example but you know the movie Inception? At the end of that movie, viewers are left uncertain whether the ending is real or dream. But according to filmmaker Nolan, what matters isn't whether it's real or dream - what matters is that the MC decides to not check whether it's real or dream. He stops doubting & decides to believe that this is his reality.
In a similar vein I feel like whether KSE doubts BSH is almost more important then whether BSH actually did it.
In 403, KSE suspects BSH for a second, but then thinks, let's not be too rash. He decides to not suspect him for the moment.
But I feel like the seeds of conflict have already been planted.
As you say, this is a relationship initially built on dishonesty & distrust. I feel like how their relationship goes from here may depend on how KSE decides to handle this suspicion.
I might be reading too much into it but for now, I feel this way, lol.
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AnonymousĀ asked:
but I really do like the idea of bsh really not killing the worker and it really was just kse being sus and unconsciously hurting bsh even more like after risking everything to help but kse who still have the cloud of the Der viper in his mind. Even tho their argument wasn't mend but it wasn't bad I really doubt bsh would just randomly kill a dude after an argument but it is definitely good set up for more talking between them because they need to talk a lot
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I think BSH has rational reasons to want to get rid of the worker. Because if the worker is alive, if KSE decides to rescue them, that's added risk to both KSE's life and BSH's well being. and BSH rn is presumably feeling like he can't trust KSE to not try to rescue that person to all of their detriment. (So it's a matter of trust for BSH as well...)
That said, it's not like the presence of the worker was a direct threat to BSH's or KSE's lifeā¦. so I can see it both ways.
A twt said back then all of them jumped from the train except for saheon..and now all of them are recycled too except for saheon (assuming seonghae is recycled too)
And..? Whatās the meaning behind this? Is this some kinda meta thing that the world decided to choose those who fell and make them go through the same thing? So if saheon fell back then he would have been in the same situation as them? Like maybe itās some kind of narrative meta stuff idk what Iām saying but this is crazy..this is why saheon isnāt too reckless in gambling his life..it seems anything you do in this world might have consequences later cuz itās a big wiki in itself..š„
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I saw that twt too!
I don't know that it necessarily means anything in-story (as in if tamra directly affected their current fates), since doing the tamra jump was shown as ultimately a good thing that leads to improvements in your morality. But it is an interesting parallel.
In-story, maybe they'll all get into some trouble that they're only able to escape bc of them having done the tamra jump, or something?
If it really is that them doing the tamra jump affected their fates...
We all made fun of BSH for being the one person to not do the 'this will improve your morals' jump. Be funny if in the end, BSH's self-preservation instincts won out once again.
