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Going over this so you don't have to.

The first point he tries to make is that the XY anime in an attempt to prove that the XY anime is "the most popular Pokémon Anime series", using an IMDB rating of it to back it up with, even though the rating in question is, like, taken from about 617 people. Not even a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of viewers the XY anime ended with, let alone started out with. Which should pretty much tell anyone that the people who are giving such praise to the XY anime are not even part of the target audience. Especially since Yo-Kai Watch has been outright beating the XY anime in the ratings throughout the latter's run.

He credits Serena to being part of the success that the XY anime had. Even though the only place where it found "success" was among the periphery online fandom. Meanwhile what her portrayal and "AmourShipping" actually did contribute to in regards to the XY anime is the alienation of the target audience. With the target audience themselves going on record to say that they weren't vibing with what "AmourShipping" was giving them. And in regards to those not among the target audience but didn't vibe with "AmourShipping" nonetheless, they knew that "AmourShipping" wasn't going to go anywhere.

He thinks that Serena "brought new things to the table", all the while already singing Serena's praises, calling her "the best PokéGirl of all time", as well as one of the best characters in the entire franchise. Pretty much blatantly ignoring what was already on the table before Serena even arrived.

He outright thinks that every female companion of Ash's after Misty but prior to Serena is somehow "a copy of Misty". Yeah, sure. Let's just ignore everything else that sets Ash's female companions besides Serena apart from each other, and just boil down their behavior to "Misty-esque". Granted, he does state that they have defining characteristics, such as May becoming a "Performer". (Uhh, dude? Coordinator, while similar, doesn't equal Performer.) But he seems to think they all have the same kind of personality Misty has, which couldn't be any further from the truth.

The attention he calls to in regards to Ash's female companions before Serena being "sassy" and "a jerk to Ash" pretty much shows his entire thought process into making this video. And why he was so reductive towards May, Dawn, and Iris. He's basically telling people here that he projects himself onto Ash, and that he doesn't think that Ash should have to put up with someone who, understandably, calls Ash out on his stupidity on a regular basis. (And in doing so, pretty much missing the point of Ash's character.) Also, was anyone that wasn't a part of the hardcore AniPoké fandom seriously getting tired of a girl being around to call Ash out on his faults? Does this guy genuinely believe that? Last I checked, before the time of the XY anime, they were getting tired of Ash, not his female companions in anything apart from getting sidelined in favor of Ash.

Actually, nobody apart from the periphery demographic actually "fell immediately in love with Serena". And those who did immediately fall in love with her didn't do so because of her personality. It was because of her crush on Ash, and because of marketing. Her actual personality is nothing to sneeze at, and is pretty much not only nothing like her source material counterpart, but also pretty much what you would expect from a character with no depth to her personality beyond "I'm girly because I'm a girl". Also, "kind" and "caring" literally describe ALL of Ash's female companions. Whereas "independent" describes ALL of Ash's female companions EXCEPT Serena. "Kind to everyone" and "not afraid to express how she was feeling" isn't unique to her. (The latter is definitely one of the reasons why Misty is popular. And Serena definitely seemed afraid to express how she's feeling around Ash.) And she's definitely nowhere near the first to be friendly towards everyone and ready to extend a helping hand whenever anyone is in trouble. (Again. That's literally a reason why Misty is popular to begin with.) Not to mention, Serena wasn't bratty? This dude never saw how Serena feels about her mother. And again with the "not a jerk to Ash" bit. Heck, he even brings up when she cares for Ash when he's sick as though it hadn't been done before, when it has by Misty. It's like he doesn't actually give a crap about Serena's actual character, is more interested in the fact that the showrunners made her only purpose on the show to be to make Ash look good, and is only gassing her up both to make her look better than she is, and because he feels like she's the perfect character to make Ash look good; pretty much a regular pastime for guys like him at this point. It also shows a double standard in regards to his thought process. If the female traveling companion of Ash is her own character and made out to be his equal, then anything she does, even if beneficial for Ash, is automatically bad. But if that female traveling companion is instead made specifically to make Ash look good, as though as she were a typical female character in a Shounen anime, then anything that she does, even if it harms Ash in any way, is automatically good.

Also, if things did end up changing for the better in regards to Ash's female companions, they did so in spite of Serena, not because of her. Mallow, Lana, and Lillie, were all pretty much close representations of if not direct translations of their source material counterparts. Chloe, an AniPoké OC, is pretty much the only one that comes after AniPoké Serena who is the most similar to her in terms of characterization. But, despite her doing the similarities she has with Serena better than Serena did, the reaction the periphery demographic actually has towards her (read: Chloe is disliked by the periphery audience for being "too boring", "aimless", "decided upon a goal that defeated the purpose of her character", etc.) only succeeds in showcasing said demographic's hypocrisy towards her.

WRT the unnecessary shade towards Misty's direction, saying that she would not have cared, and that she would have thrown Ash "in the deep end", this literally reinforces what I'm saying about Serena fans thinking that whatever a female traveling companion of Ash's does to Ash in their eyes is automatically bad if she's made out to be his equal and dares to be her own character. Because that's not what Misty would do at all. He completely doesn't understand her character. She would have and has helped Ash whenever he's sick. On that note, what is it with Serena fans and slinging mud at Misty? I swear. They feel threatened by her.

He's right about Serena's "relationship" with Ash being a reason why she's "popular" among the periphery audience. But what he doesn't realize is that the same reason why she's "popular" is also her biggest flaw as a character. Like, he doesn't even question how Serena is able to remember Ash despite it being so long since she supposedly last saw him. (2-5 years before the XY anime, and for a very brief moment at that.) He also ignores that all of the flashbacks to Serena meeting Ash at Oak's Summer Camp are exclusively from Serena's PoV, as well as not questioning how Ash and Serena didn't stay in touch if they supposedly knew each other. And how does he figure that the writers loved Serena when, if they had their way, Serena wouldn't have been given the characterization that she was given? Calling it "wholesome" and "what gave fans diabetes" is just basically talking about the frosting covering the the cake that tastes like stale air. He then rambles on about how Serena sees Ash as a "selfless hero", pretty much talking about Serena's blind worship of him, and downplaying how over-the-top it is compared to the complements Ash got from other girls. Even calling Serena constantly blushing around Ash, and Ash giving her the kind of compliment that he'll give May and Dawn "wholesome" rather than seeing it as the hard-to-watch mess that it is. And again, putting the emphasis on Serena seeing Ash as both "someone who's good at battling", and "someone with a good soul", shows that he doesn't really care about Serena's character, and that he's ignored that other girls have seen Ash as someone with a good soul before without blindly worshipping him. And I struggle to see how anyone can call something so blatantly shipfic-y in an official work "special". He is right about how we're not going to to see something like Ash and Serena again. To which I say: GREAT! "AmourShipping" was a bad idea from the get-go, and should serve as a cautionary tale.

And the last point he tries to make is how the female traveling companions of Ash prior to Serena "didn't really have any much if any impact". Like, what does he mean by this? Story? On Ash? Misty pretty much played a big part in why Ash is as great of a trainer as he is now, and is why he's alive. She was responsible helping Ash discover the entrance to Cinnabar Gym. May was pretty much responsible for picking up the slack whenever Ash wasn't around, and had her own arc. Dawn was chosen by Mesprit to defend Sinnoh. And "mainly used as comedic relief or to fill in that 'girl' spot for the rest of the series"? How does he think that this somehow doesn't apply to Serena? And I don't know how he thinks that Iris is a step in the right direction when, while a breath of fresh air compared to Dawn and May, when she isn't exactly treading new ground. And he's just glazing Serena by saying that she's had a bigger purpose in the story as it progressed when it really wouldn't be different without her as it is with her. And as far as "providing a completely different contrast compared to a Pokémon Trainer" is concerned, Lillie does that job far better due to being her own character and coming across as human as Misty while having her own arc herself, whereas Serena just comes across as no different from a Bond Girl or a one-off "love-interest" for Jim Kirk that isn't named Carol Marcus. He then goes on to praise Showcases, even though they're pretty much a dumbed down Pokémon Contest rip-off. And how does she lose time and time again when her only notable loss is her first ever Showcase, which she didn't really learn anything from? And her impact on Ash's character as a whole is basically non-existent, given that she doesn't even cross Ash's mind in Journeys when he thought about his travels in Kalos, and even almost ran past her like how Shulk ran past Melia. And he fails to realize that Serena actually did to Ash something that would help someone speedrun the ending of a friendship with a depressed person in real life, making his situation about her than about him. Plus, Ash would have gotten out of his funk without her "help". And the entire scene got retconned in Journeys, anyways. And honestly. What "lessons" did she give him that he didn't or shouldn't already know before the XY anime? Her role in helping shape Ash into the trainer who would go on to win the world championship is negligible. And in case he didn't notice, the Ash following the XY anime IS the same Ash from all the way back in Indigo League but grown up mentally, and definitely not due to anything that Serena actually did. Also, Ash learned the lesson that "it's okay to lose" all the way back in Orange Islands, where Serena doesn't even make an appearance. Instead, Ash learned that lesson from LORELEI, and in a later episode, Misty reiterated the lesson that Lorelei taught him. And once again, saying that Serena "beat the jerk and sassy trope" shows his lack of care towards Serena. The fact that he even brings up the "kiss", which even Yajima himself said could have been a whisper in Ash's ear for all he knew, is emblematic of how he really sees Serena.

And really? Does he really have the audacity to ask "how could you not love her"? He's clearly spent no time outside of the echo chamber, and no time in circles where Serena is criticized because of how her character was mishandled. And he definitely spoke to nobody who actually likes Serena as a character that feels like her potential as a character was outright wasted by the direction the showrunners took with her.

OP forget them

Speaking superficially about her poorly constructed relationship with Grace, no mention of helping Clemont, no mention of Eureka, NO MENTION OF JÉSSICA FROM EPISODE XY008, who had a major impact on Serena's character, No mention a Shaunna, no mention of her growth with Braixen, Panchan or Sylveon, NO mention of Marin and Chespie, no mention of Serena and Yashiro conflict, no mention Amelie and things Serena learned from this victory and Amelie from her defeat

This is not a character analysis from you imo

Also where is Serena's character in that video too, I didn't see anything about her just about what she did for Ash and it's not even that interesting

Yes she has a lot of scenes with her friends but he doesn't show anything...she deserves a better and real analysis

Saying we all love Serena for Amourshipping and not her character is a generalization

I won't get into the issue of being a Misty fan is much more based on biased you are

But like I said, I almost never see any real criticism in her character, other than Showcase being poorly written or boring (those are elements made for Serena's character) I would rather it was just the "free dance apresentations. The video talks but doesn't discuss, and the lack of "being a bratty person" doesn't even exist because she is totally and directly sarcastic when she is with Grace, but as it is not with Ash, they ignored this trait, Furthermore, she hit his hand once because he almost ate the cake that she spent hours getting, she was also about to fight with him because he was not knowing how to talk about racing, Serena even said that he insisted that she teach him in XY007 to XY53, she is with a good heart, so she has her "limits" behavior.

When we look at the big picture, from the Snowbelle arc, Serena had finished the Master Class, Ash can come back and challenge Snowbelle's gym as many times as he wants but Serena can't come back and face Elle again, she simply danced and performed with a broken wrist, she did it with an injured wrist, her last performance was incredible, she herself admits that she doesn't want to be saved by her friends (Slyveon, Clermont, Bonnie, Ash, Panchan), her dream ended at that time, he just threw shit at her because he was frustrated and the show did everything it could to make "Serena apologize to Ash" but he never apologized for ignoring her help, or yell at her "don't understand him enough", He wants to help everyone but ignoring people who just want to get him out of a snowstorm isn't healthy. I don't like how the show only puts Serena in the wrong for throwing balls at him and only she thinks that way and Ash reflects on himself but never on how he yelled at her and threw her journey experience out. That's why to me people don't do good analysis of Serena in this arc because no one really gets how she feels and why. The video isn't even good at expressing this side of the story and doesn't even explain it, it just says that it liked Serena's behavior without even giving a picture of why.

The only Pokegirls I genuinely hated was May and to a lesser degree Dawn, as I felt her character arc was just badly done ultimately (and it didn't help that she reminded me WAY too much of the girls from Love Hina and Princess vs. Princess. Dawn, while an improvement in some respects, was ultimately as bad as May.). Iris I liked largely because of her similarities to Misty. Serena I'm explicitly neutral towards (heck, if anything, I'm more likely to say that her arc was a little bit better written than May's, right down to the ACTUAL reason she left for her journey [not entailing Ash, BTW]. Oh, and as a side note, part of the reason I disliked May was in fact related to what you mentioned about your initial views on Lillie, though at least Lillie had an ACTUAL understandable reason for disliking Pokemon initially unlike May, not to mention did NOT become a trainer until AFTER she came to terms with and conquered that fear.). And Lillie was a definite improvement regarding overall arc compared to May. Don't get me started on my OTP, Misty.

And just as an FYI, I don't even blame Serena for the crap that was being piled disrespectfully onto Misty. If anything, I blame May (especially people like Cybercubed. And Pepsi-al ought to know since he blocked him). That has been going on since I think 2004.

Lillie was already a trainer with Vulpix at the beginning of the series as soon as she could touch it.

You said Y could beat Ash's ass and Serena can't have emotions and feel frustration? Her dream ended at that moment, she no longer had Kalos Queen, nor challenges, she didn't even have obligations follow him in the league, WHAT the hell doesn't she understand? Her chance is OVER

What should she do? Hanging her head while he yells at her? While he throws all her effort in the trash because he's not dealing well with a loss? She was not submissive to him and you are acting as if she committed a crime

She was trying to bring him inside because of an approaching storm, a recommendation from Nurse Joy, it was EXTREMELY DANGEROUS as the episode itself shows

SerenaAnipoke is my protégé

I stated, and still stand by it, that no, Serena should have had his ass if and when Ash ever spoke to her out of line. Serena only had Kalos Queen because of Pokeani, that wasn't the only thing that she could have had or been – she could have wanted to follow Ash to the league while still pursuing something outside of Ash Ketchum.

My point is that Serena as a character was limited. The main issue I've ever seen arise around Serena is the fact that she is just a mat for Ash to walk on – she's not a stepping stone for him, or even using him as a stepping stone. She is there to push stereotypical heteronormative bullshit with her acting as a wife to him when these kids are canonically around ten years old. That's not normal. And as a prev female passing human, that's not the type of role model I want to have or that I want to show to children around me.

I want people to see Y, to see game Serena, to see a powerful female lead who doesn't need anyone to win her battles for her, who doesn't need someone to follow when she's supposedly reached her end. There's more out there – life imitates art, and in real life, your life doesn't end once one door closes – more open up. Serena had other options, had other routes to go – as seen in how she's working with Lisia in Journeys.

Also that fucking weird doctor who liking Misty and seemed interested in a ten year old girl and the old man from the beach who is pretty disgusting

""Serena's team is very cute and cute" IRIS LOVES CUTE POKEMON and MISTY TOO.

So I think the criticism is either unfounded or very much based on just lateral analysis.

Serena likes fashion (this is in all her synopses about the anime), she likes to cook, it's her wish for her friends and Pokémon, she doesn't give the cookies to Ash, she gives them to everyone, she doesn't dress up or trade for Ash, she trades for herself, for her dream. She's not a stepping stone for Ash, she's herself, it sounds heteronormative, I don't like it when people talk about her like that and summarize her as Ash. Exactly the point, she's not a "perfect wife for Ash", she's herself and her own character and not only Lisia, Clemont and Bonnie also contributed to Serena's growth (ship wars or not with geeckchic, people who likes Amour (I say this as a shipper because I've seen everything in this community and they are not saints) are stupid for disregarding how MANY times Serena and Clemont care about each other) it's Clemont who cooks for the group and Serena helps (I hate how people say "finally a woman like Mallow cooking") lol

So far as Serena is concerned, I'm not going to complain much if she's girly (had no complaints about Princess Peach, so girliness won't be that big of an issue with her). The only way I'm going to complain about how girls are depicted is if they're depicted more along the lines of the following:

Yeah, used a different image for the Love Hina one from the prior post I used that series of images in, more to make the point clearer (like I said earlier, the situation with Naru and Keitaru wasn't the first time she beat up Keitaru, or the last, nor was she the only one to do so either [if anything, it's easier to count on hand which girls DIDN'T beat him up, one of whom is seen in there]. It's certainly the only time Keitaru grew a spine though...). In fact, all those things above, especially after watching a bit of AG and DP (not much, admittedly, but still...) had me disliking May and Dawn. You can blame my mom for that, ultimately (certainly the dislike of those Fiorello Fangirls above and also the Love Hina girls, and fairly or otherwise, I saw them in May and Dawn). I guess another example would be Maron from DBZ as well (also Sex and the City, though let's just say the situation with that one was even WORSE). As far as I know, while on the girly side, at least Serena wasn't essentially depicted as an animal unlike the above images. AFAIK, anyways. Part of the reason I'm still neutral is because I haven't actually WATCHED XY yet in any capacity (the closest to watching is .GIFs), and until I actually watch enough of it to make any determination, I'm remaining neutral.

Either way, all I can say is that she certainly had a far better written start than May did.

And since the start of this series of posts was the infamous snowball scene, even if I didn't like Serena's girly depiction, I if anything would have actually sided with Serena in that situation mostly because what Ash did there actually WAS low and the story even made clear this was out of character for him (not to mention I'd realize trashing another character's goals like that, after everything they went through, and most likely not having another chance at doing so is just downright LOW). Besides, I've already seen a WAY worse situation than that from Chapter 17 of Love Hina, as you're probably already aware of, and as I've said many times, both Misty and Serena, regarding the Snowball scene and even similar scenes in Kanto treated Ash NICELY by comparison to what Naru did to Keitaru in that scene. Heck, going by what she said in the last image which was presumably BEFORE she started snowballs, even if she WAS being manipulative (as I've seen one critic describe the snowball scene as), she had darn good reason to be since it was a literal life or death situation and she was trying to save Ash's life.

Probably my only real agreement with the other user was that they could have given her another goal besides Kalos Queen (like challenging gyms, which BTW actually COULD have made Ash be a mentor figure to her as well, which we never really got since they randomly decided to have May do contests instead despite building up to her challenging gyms), or even Sky Battler like Yvonne in the manga. And to be fair, Kalos Queen IS in fact her own goal, or was at least.

Not only was May constantly shown loving and hugging all her Pokemon like @pokenoire can tell you, but May has the biggest arc of the anime for a character up to that point. In fact @pokenoire can probably tell you that May and Dawn are some of the best developed characters in the series a swell.