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The first time I played the game, I exhausted all the dialogue options that pestered Hans about helping you carry sacks and he kept getting more and more annoyed. And then he started fighting with Svatya like a spoiled noble. And then that fight turned physical and I rolled my eyes at the situation Hans had just put us in, the immature, hot-headed boy.
The game heavily skews your perception that everything is Hansβ fault. You can have an intense fight that really shakes up your friendship when stuck in the stocks. You can apologize to Svatya when you find him again later in Troskowitz. When you ask around Troskowitz looking for Hans, many donβt have very nice things to say about Hans. Hans apologizes for how he acted while imprisoned in the Trosky cell. And so on.
But my second time around, I decided to really watch their interactions from beginning to end. I listened to all the real-time conversations that would trigger by hanging around and taking my sweet ass time with the sacks. In my rediscovery of the whole situation, fully listening to their entire conversation, and exploring a few new things I didnβt know I could do in the scene, I now have a much greater empathy and appreciation for Hans that goes beyond the initial interpretation of a lazy, bratty noble that fucked everything up. Itβs not his fault.Β
In Defense of Hans Capon
(I had a lot of fun writing this, delving into the options, hanging around the scene listening. I hope other people enjoy reading it!)
I can classify this whole scene as having five phases:
Phase 1 - before accepting the sacks job from Betty
Phase 2 - during the carrying of the first sack
Phase 3 - during the carrying of the second sack
Phase 4 - during the carrying of the third sack
Phase 5 - the fight
Letβs not forget. Hans has just lost his entire retinue including a good man and friend he knew for a long time. He has lost everything, been on the brink of death, saw Henry there too, had no one believe that he is who he says he is, and had shit thrown on him. Iβm not saying Hans is perfect, and I love his frankly pompous attitude in the early game because it allows for an amazing development of his character throughout the story. It takes two to fight - both with words and fists. He has some blame about the situation, but I think he deserves a lot more credit than the games and others might give him.Β
Heβs still pretty sheltered and immature. He doesnβt exactly have a lot of real-life experience to navigate everything heβs been through calmly and rationally. Given who he is and the life that he was born into, insults to oneβs character and disrespect are incredibly important and upsetting. A simple farmer hearing an insult hurled at him about their character has a far different reaction than a noble would.Β
Here are some of the main things that can happen in each Phase. This includes a detailed dialogue breakdown.Β
Phase 1 - Pre-sacks
While Iβm speaking to Katherine and then later to Betty, both Hans and Svatya remain silent. Hans is not bothering Svatya or talking to him. Heβs not even mumbling under his breath how much he hates where he is. He just sits and eats.
While talking to Betty, even she admits that β[Svatya] can be a bit of a pain.β And oh boy, a pain he will be. The locals know him as being a lil ass.
You can also talk to Svatya during this phase. When I introduce myself to him, he is immediately annoyed that I want to squeeze some coin out of him. He challenges you to a game of dice. Although Henry informs him that he does not have any coin to wager for the game, Svatya still agrees that if Henry wins, he will invite Henry to the wedding.Β
I win the game of Farkle.Β
Svatya immediately goes back on his word and admits he canβt just invite random people. Not a man of his word. Svatya sits with two of his friends the whole time. If he simply wanted to play a game of dice, he could have done it with them. He lies to Henry knowing how much he wants to get into that wedding? Itβs small and doesnβt really mean much in the grand scheme of things, but back in this time period, your word and promises were very important. There was no reason to get Henryβs hopes up with an outlandish promise like that that he knew he would never fulfill. There are other ways to get Henry to play with him. It was a manipulation tactic.Β
I digress.Β
During this phase, Svatya also makes an annoyed comment that βservice is a bit slow todayβ¦β
Jumping forward a bit, Svatya also steals Oldaβs sword at the wedding without considering how it might come back to permanently damage Radvanβs reputation.
As you can see, heβs not exactly a saint. He too is immature and rash. Annoying. Entitled.
This is when you talk to Hans and he explains the Three States of Man idea. Everyone knows how this conversation goes and how much you can choose to push Hans.Β
Phase 2 - the first sack
As I pick up the first sack, Svatya makes the first comment.Β
[Svatya] I ask you who goes to a tavern stinking like that. A beggar, thatβs who.
Hans coughs and ignores his comments.Β
[Svatya] He must fancy himself a lord if he cannot get off his ass and work. (Wellβ¦)
[Svatyaβs friend] Maybe heβs got a bad back (Sarcastic? It sounded a bit genuine. Giving Hans the benefit of the doubt? Nicer?)
[Svatya] Heβs lazy, thatβs all.β
Once again, Hans coughs and ignores his comments.Β
[Svatya] One man works while another sits on his ass.
For a third time, Hans coughs and ignores the comments.
Despite Hans trying to be the bigger person, ignore the pointed comments, and refuse to give Svatya a reaction, Svatya continued to instigate, finally getting Hans to respond.Β
[Svatya] God knows what hole they crawled out of. They remind me of those nomad riff-raff. (Interestingly enough, this is the first time that Svatyaβs comments have looped Henry in with his disparaging opinion towards Hans, making them a unit. It is at this point that Hans talks back.)
[Hans] Who are you calling riff-raff, you dirt-muncher? (I find this insult really funny. Why did you say this, Hans? His insult was in response to Svatyaβs insult.)
[Svatya] Did you say something? (Passive aggressive. He 100% heard.)
[Hans] No, nothing. (Sarcastic. But still a de-escalation. He did not repeat it.)
[Svatya] I should hope not. Sit and drink your swill. (Swill in these times most likely refers to βkitchen refuseβsuch as table scraps and sour milkβmixed with water and fed to pigs.β Heβs calling Hans a pig.)
There is a pause in the conversation. Svatya pipes up again.Β
[Svatya] If you canβt pay, stay away. To cap it all youβre a stranger so you should mind your manners. (So should you Svatya. Heβs being the rude instigator right now. And anyway, Henry worked out his debt with Betty personally. Itβs not your responsibility to assume who is allowed to be a patron at the tavern just because they look poor. But he comes from a rich family, so I wouldnβt expect a lot of sensitivity to the plight of the impoverished at this time. Betty lets us be here, so weβre here.)
There is no response from Hans.Β
It should be noted that this entire phase happens while Hans is not even facing Svatya. Svatya is literally talking behind Hansβ back. He starts throwing his comments at a man that is not talking to him, not talking to anyone, and not even looking at him.Β
All dialogue has been exhausted and I deliver the first sack.
Phase 3 - the second sack
No dialogue triggers while I am holding it (the interactions above in Phase 2 would continue if I hadnβt taken so long the first time around). As soon as I deliver the sack, I hear Svatya talking and I sprint out of the pantry.
Now they are standing up and facing each other. Ooooh weβve escalated.Β
[Svatya] I heard about the attack on the pond. It was a massacre and none of the strangers survived.
Svatya has now shifted from insults specifically targeting Hans (& Henry), to now speaking about the horrifying situation of all their company dying - something that Hans deeply regrets. This is different.
[Hans] That was our company but the two of us managed to get away. It was the same bandits that attacked Lord von Bergowβs men. Why the fuck doesnβt anyone believe us? (Hans actually sounds informative here. He doesnβt say it rudely, and at the end heβs understandably frustrated. Heβs telling Svatya who they are, again)
[Svatya] Maybe because youβve got no way of proving it.
[Hans] We lost everything. How hard is that to understand? (Hans keeps questioning Svatyaβs reluctance in believing them)
[Svatya] What if youβre one of those bandits and youβre up to no good? We should kick both of you out. Just to be on the safe side.Β
A pause.
[Svatya] Whatβs your name again? (He knows damn well, Hans has probably said it a million times. He just wants to start shit no matter what Hansβ response is. This is not a question asked in good faith.)
[Hans] Hans Capon of Pirkstein. (pookie)
[Svatya] You just made that up.
[Hans] I certainly did not. (Offended.)
[Svatya] Yes, you did. I never heard of any Pirkstein in all my years. (Damn Svatya. Admitting at your wise elder age that youβre still this immature.)
[Hans] Iβm not surprised. Youβre just a village yokel. (Yokel will be used several times. It means βa derogatory or humorous term for a naive, unsophisticated, or uneducated person who lives in a rural area or small town.β Let me come back to this.)
[Svatya] How dare you! Iβm the son of the Bailiff. (Very offended. How dare Hans? Thatβs kinda rich coming from you Svatya at this point. Wowβ¦ itβs almost like you both come from important families and take pride in your status and identity resulting in understandable offence when that is questioned and belittled. Actually you two should kiss and make up.)
[Hans] Ugh.
[Svatya] You aint got no proof to back up what you say. (Back to the proof thing? Give it a rest. No matter what Hans says, Svatya wonβt believe him. Once again, this comment is not made in good faith but just to rile Hans up. If you think about this, in some ways this fight has veered into the territory of honour.)
[Hans] Proof? You want proof? (Absolutely incredulous. So am I, Hans)
[Svatya] Aye. (This is a lie.)
[Hans] Right. Listen to this. [Recites Latin]. (Once again Hans is actually answering Svatyaβs questions and requests. He might not be 100% good girl polite about his tone, but heβs doing it nonetheless.)
[Svatya] Is that supposed to be Latin?
[Hans] Clever you. So you know what it means? (Hans has had it. Heβs really sarcastic here.)
[Svatya] No. And I doubt you do either. (Dig at intelligence.)
[Hans] The burden of proof is on the one who declares, not the one who denies. So you see, I speak Latin. Iβve just proven to you that Iβm a nobleman.Β
[Svatya] Youβve proved fuck all. Remembering some words you heard in church doesnβt make you a nobleman.
Dialogue between the two of them ends here. You can actually go up to Hans and have a quiet (intended to be secret) conversation with him now. You can do this at any point during Phase 3.
[Henry] Ignore those people. We don't need any more problems. Don't let them provoke you, alright?β (Henry confirming that itβs the other people that are the problem in this situation and that Hans is being purposefully provoked. This isnβt just an even argument. Rather than telling Hans to stop, he tells Hans to ignore them. Svatya will make these comments regardless.)
[Hans] Iβm perfectly calm. Some local wretches canβt unsettle me. Keep working and take no notice of me. (He does sound pretty bored and uninterested. Not agitated, riled up, or angry.)
[Henry] Don't say another word. Those village yokels aren't worth it.β (I donβt want to hear anything about Hans using yokel as an insult as some sort of character flaw or reason that the situation got so out of control. This isnβt the case of a rude, uncarring noble looking down on the townfolks. Even our sweet, nobody Henry also thinks and says they are yokels. If both a noble and a blacksmith call someone a yokel, itβs probably not due to being a pompous lord, but a yokel being a yokel.)
[Hans] Henry stop lecturing me like Iβm some little brat and get on with your work.
I deliver the second sack.
Phase 4 - the third sack
As soon as I pick up the third sack, I hear them again.Β
[Hans] I expect you to be more sympathetic towards people who have been ambushed when youβve got so many bandits and other rabble here. (What has Hans been asking for this whole time? To be believed? To not be insulted? To have empathy towards him?)
[Svatya] We are sympathetic, but youβre no nobleman, just an ordinary big mouth. (This is a lie. Svatya isnβt sympathetic in the least. He doesnβt believe Hans is a noble, doesnβt believe he was ambushed. If he truly was sympathetic to travellers who got ambushed, he might be more willing to believe stories about people who lost everything in said ambush. This lack of sympathy is demonstrated below.)
[Hans] How can you say that, you numbskull? I keep telling you we lost everything. (At this point, I would like to emphasize that I think Hans has actually shown incredible restraint and patience so far. His patience will continue.)
[Svatya] Would a sensible nobleman set up camp in such a stupid place? Somewhere by a pond? Out in the open?
[Hans] What do you know about itβ¦ (I know that one really hurt Hans because itβs exactly what his own head is telling himself to beat himself up over and over again, but this is all he replies with. A more defeated response.)
[Svatya] More than you judging by the shit you talk.
[Hans] Damned insolence! (Moreso under his breath in incredulity)
[Svatya] You know what? Iβve had enough of your bollocks. Sit down and shut your mouth. Or Iβll shut it for you. (First threat of physical violence. Svatya started the insults. Svatya started the argument. Svatya started the talk about physically fighting.)
[Hans] Just try it you worm, just try it.
[Svatya] I might just do that.
[Hans] Youβre just an idiot. A stupid, ignorant village yokel. (Hans is really ramping up the insults here.)
[Svatya] Hey, your insults are starting to fucking annoy me.
[Hans] Oh yeah? Well youβve been annoying me the whole time.
[Svatya] He comes here from God knows where, talks out of his ass, and is then rude to boot.
[Hans] Iβll have you all horse-whipped for this one day you cur! (Angriest Hans has been so far.)
[Svatya] You should be careful you don't get a beating first. (Doesnβt take it seriously)
Both of them keep saying how much they will beat each otherβs asses, but neither do anything about it. Theyβre all talk right now, puffing out their chest and strutting around like a peacock.Β
Once I deliver the third sack and leave the tavern, it fades to an in-game cutscene where we start-
Phase 5 - the fight
[Hans] What did you say? Say it again! (Hans is no longer frustrated and incredulous. Heβs angry)
[Svatya] It was their own fault! (Once again, back to blaming the victims for the massacre at the pond)
[Hans] What do you mean? They attacked themselves? Or what the fuck are you trying to say?
[Svatya] Everyone knows itβs dangerous around Trosky. Making camp in such an unprotected place is suicide. (I meanβ¦ not everyone. People not from the region, travellers passing through, foreigners. Itβs not this inherent knowledge all people in Bohemia are graced with having. FFS Bozhena didnβt even know Wenceslas was kidnapped. AND Captain Thomas didnβt exactly stress the severe danger of the bandits when they met)
[Hans] Where else were they supposed to make camp smart-arse?
[Svatya] Somewhere in the rocks maybe? Not out in the open by the pond. Only a fool would do that. (I have no argument for this)
At this point, we get Henry dialogue options.
Option 1: [Henry] (Silence)
[Hans] Iβve had enough of your insults! Our men were slaughtered there!
Option 2: [Henry] Calm down! Both of you!
[Svatya] Iβm perfectly calm. Itβs your chum here whoβs ranting and raving.
[Svatya] What dead companions? You think Iβm going to fall for that cock-and-bull story?
Option 3: [Henry] Stop insulting our dead companions!
Option 4: [Henry] Youβre the fool here!
[Hans] Pack it in, Henry. Thereβs no point in arguing with this yokel who fancies himself a military strategist.Β
[Svatya] Youβre going to start as well?
Fight continues.
[Svatya] I don't believe a word youβre saying. A weed like you surviving a fight against bandits that even von Bergow himself has trouble with?
[Hans] Believe what you like, but I'm telling the truth. And in fact, Iβm willing to overlook all your insults if you apologize right nowβ¦ and invite me to that wedding. (Hans is willing to accept insults to his honour as long as he can complete the mission Hanush gave him)
[Svatya] You want to come to the wedding, do you? Iβll give you the same advice I gave your little chum. If you can make yourself useful to the blacksmith or the miller, youβll get into the wedding. Youβll see the glorious occasion, at least from a distance, and you can stop spouting your pathetic lies.
[Hans] I am Sir Hans Capon, Lord of Pirkstein. And I demand your immediate apology! (How long has this been going on for???)
[Svatya] I am Sir Hans Capon, Lord of Pirksteinβ¦ I am Sir Hans Capon, Lord of Pirksteinβ¦ (Mocking). Youβre starting to bore me, you and your silly made up name. (Yeah? Well Svatopluk is even sillier! Take that!)
[Hans] No apology then? It looks like Iβm going to have to teach you a lesson. (Still just talk)
[Svatya] Oh, Iβm so scared. (Sarcastic)
At this point, we get Henry dialogue options.
Option 1: [Henry] (Silence)
[Svatya] Hey you! Get your sweetheart and fuck off out of our village. Both of you! (Oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god, what a WILD thing to say about two men back then. He knewβ¦ he sensed the Hansry πBut interesting to note, the word βsweetheartβ is used in place for an insult as is seen in the similar responses in Option 2 and Option 3)
Option 2: [Henry] Thatβs enough! Cut it out! Both of you!
[Svatya] Mind your own business. Take your ragamuffin friend and get the fuck out of our village!
Option 3: [Henry] Didnβt you hear? Apologize to him!
[Svatya] Oh no, reinforcements! Iβm so scared! (Sarcastic). Take your numbskull friend and get out of our village! Right now!
Option 4: [Henry] Thereβs no point in this. Letβs leave.Β
[Hans] I give you a chance to apologize and you keep insulting me? Get ready to pick up your broken teeth with broken fingers!
[Svatya] Iβd do what your pal says, if I were you. Get lost before something happens to you.
The fight continues.
[Svatya] Ohoho, Iβd like to see that. Come on then.
[Hans] You scum!
Svatya proceeds to initiate the fighting, not Hans. He pushes Hans first. Hans pushes back. Svatya pushes a second time. Hans throws a punch.Β
The rest is history.Β
Now a bit of a discussion.Β
Was Hans perfect and without blame? No. But I think given the circumstances (Given the circumstances? WHAT circumstances???), his status, his experiences, and who he is, I think he acted with a lot more patience and calmness than people give him credit for. Svatya is a little shit. In every instance, it was him who initiated. He instigated and instigated and instigated just to get a rise out of Hans. Hans isnβt acting entirely irrationally after being insulted, pestered, and harassed for so long.Β
This is the tavern closest to the biggest and most important castle in the region. Iβm sure they get strangers on the daily - knights, nomads, cumans, lords, merchants, messengers, travellers, scholars, etc. And you wonβt like everyone you meet. Svatya should be familiar with new faces showing up in the village. He is the Bailiffβs son, and heβs going around picking fights with strangers like this? Surely this is not the first time someone has wandered up to the tavern telling what are perceived to be fanciful stories. Men lie about their prowess with women, merchants lie about their goods, craftsmen lie about their skill, musicians lie about their journeys, scholars lie about their intelligence. Does he fight them all?
Hans is acting like a bit of a prat, but being annoying isnβt a crime (If so, lock me up baby). He hasnβt actually wronged anyone in the village yet.
Despite Svatya constantly instigating the fight trying to purposefully get a rise out of Hans, Hans is surprisingly patient through it all. It takes a while for it to truly turn into a fight. If someone was purposefully getting under your skin, insulting you, insulting your pride, insulting your recently dead friends after going through one of the worst experiences in your life, how long would you have lasted?
Svatya is a shit disturber. He disturbed Hansβ shit. And as a result, he got his shit rocked.
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hans throughout the games does this thing where he takes something kinda small and makes it into as big a deal as henry considers it. rattay tourney, promising to help henry find mutt, hunting trip in kcd2, couple things like this where people will just think its a small thing in the face of big events and henry's own very important task, but no one knows how much it means to henry to compete in the tourney, when he's been practicing sword fighting in the sheep fold with a wooden stick for who knows how long. no one knows how important mutt is to henry and what it means that Hans offers to help find him, instead of finding literally any other leverage to convince henry to lug those sacks. no one knows how much henry went through like just mentally during the jewish quarter razing, and what it therefore means for hans to take him on a hunt immediately after and help lift his spirits. this is one of my favorite ways that hans shows that he really cares very deeply about henry in a way that's obvious to both of them but not really clear to others, almost like they're communicating in a secret language only the two of them understand
hans throughout the games does this thing where he takes something kinda small and makes it into as big a deal as henry considers it. rattay tourney, promising to help henry find mutt, hunting trip in kcd2, couple things like this where people will just think its a small thing in the face of big events and henry's own very important task, but no one knows how much it means to henry to compete in the tourney, when he's been practicing sword fighting in the sheep fold with a wooden stick for who knows how long. no one knows how important mutt is to henry and what it means that Hans offers to help find him, instead of finding literally any other leverage to convince henry to lug those sacks. no one knows how much henry went through like just mentally during the jewish quarter razing, and what it therefore means for hans to take him on a hunt immediately after and help lift his spirits. this is one of my favorite ways that hans shows that he really cares very deeply about henry in a way that's obvious to both of them but not really clear to others, almost like they're communicating in a secret language only the two of them understand
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