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This is my design for eclipse in the linked Au

Let me explain.

One of the strongest, misconceptions about Ruin and his decision to erase 5k universes - both out and IN the show - is that he was selfish for committing it. He’s not. It’s a sacrifice mindset.

If Ruin hadn’t killed the 5k universes, there would be no multiverse. Whether the event happened the day after he could’ve said “no, I won’t do it” — or it happened in 5 billion years from now…The Creators would’ve overthrown and enslaved the universe. We saw their hunger for control time and time again, explicitly and indirectly saying their craves to control the multiverse - and Ruin was first hand to WITNESSING something adjacent. To prevent what Ruin saw happen to the multiverse, he had to erase the main factor entirely. That’s why he rejected the “just kill creators” idea, that’s why he was so persistent on erasure, because their unstoppable hunger would continue to thrive until it happened.

The Overseer is similar in his mindset way.

None of what either party is doing is morally correct. It is killing, it is hardly justified. But, there is reasoning. Solid reasoning. It’s an action to prevent a much worse outcome. Solar essentially has been walking with a trail of decay following his every footstep. It will affect everyone he loves, everyone he talks to, everyone he sees and encounters, and it may very well damage the fabric of reality and the multiverse with it. This is why The Overseer has to eliminate him. Damage control.

I should’ve posted this the second I got to see the secret video behind the quiz — but I held off. Though, the episodes that came after that quiz only proved my following argument is correct.

Solar is not supposed to exist. We know this. I need you to sit with me on some old, possibly retconned or really messy lore. If anyone can provide me the episodes in which they retconned these following pieces of evidence, let me know and I’ll attempt to make a future post about analyzing it and determining what’s true and what’s false. The show is an unreliable narrator, and constantly swings the fandom around like a fumbling dancer. I’m going to try to tap dance my way to the stage of reasoning here.

This goes off the ORIGINAL lore statements made by Eclipse when first resurrecting Solar.

The reason Ruin could not find this thread of science upon looking for loopholes of any sort…is because Eclipse’s method was…scientifically IMPOSSIBLE. It was a false hope and a threat to nature as everyone knew it. It was a useless dead end that only prevailed in fairy tales. Though, Eclipse disregarded nature and went through with it anyways.

The ORIGINAL STATEMENT is that Eclipse had split his Dimensional Coding in half, and gave it to Solar. This re-wrote Solar’s place in the multiverse, allowing him to exist again without consequence on his body and mind.

This is scientifically illegal, and can have horrific outcomes. One of the main warnings Eclipse even gave was that Eclipse and Solar would not to make contact with each other…otherwise, they would cause the multiverse to collapse.

What is Dimensional Code?

It’s your fate, your place in existence and reality as you know it. It acts like your soul, but is treated as if God Himself is writing your story. That code is essentially your story. It does not end until the dimension does.

Eclipse’s have the same dimensional coding, this is why it was possible for Eclipse to give half of his own. These characters are like classes in a video game, “Eclipse” and “Solar” are essentially just the skins you choose. To rewrite Solar into existence, Solar’s dimensional code was completely rewritten with the same story he’s had (keeping his memories, personality, etc) as if he always existed in this dimension, as Eclipse. With the split halves, Eclipse kept his as well.

One piece of “retcon” I saw reported was that “Eclipse said he got the dimensional code from V3” (or something along the lines of.) V1, V2, V3 and V4 do not exist. “Versions” of Eclipse are based on his body, not his life. Eclipse in present day is now V5. Eclipse has never fully died nor changed drastically due to death outside of basic character development. We were told this is always how Eclipse was meant to turn out, he is not a carbon copy, and he has always been the same Eclipse. Therefore, this argument is flawed and incorrect, and within show terms, this means Eclipse was still going through his “am I a copy or not” phase, which is why it’s phrased this way. (Though I would still like the episode if someone wants to hunt it down for me 💙💙)

Everyone is an unreliable narrator, remember this.

Fun fact! Did you know Nexus was the reason Ruin ever pretended to lie at all? Ruin’s “Cure act” was a product of Nexus’ making from the very start, Ruin simply rolled with it. This is a strong example of unreliable narration. ( I’ll make a separate post if you’re interested on hearing that breakdown. )

Back to Solar.

Solar is now a walking butterfly effect. Everything he does, the people he talks to, the people who even SEE him are now being put off course of their original stories. TSAMS is following the “canon event” trope from the Spiderverse.

This isn’t a stretch at all because we see that TSBS often takes tropes from varying shows.

EX: Alice & The Looking Glass when Eclipse explains Solar and Eclipse cannot be near each other, Rick & Morty when creating Solstice (Dark Sun), The Wither Storm being an entire multidimensional event, explaining Star Power in proximity to Dragon Ball, etc.

Solar is now single handedly, VASTLY damaging the designation of their Universe and the events that are meant to happen. Because Solar shouldn’t exist, nothing he does should’ve taken place. Now, The Overseer is trying to do some damage control.

And if you think affecting his own universe is bad, what do you think will happen if Solar starts dimension hopping? Visiting other universes for X, Y, and Z…in the worst case scenario…this could cause the multiverse’s collapse.

No, it’s not right to kill Solar. He has friends, family, people he loves and protects.

But it’s for our safety.

It’s for their safety.

My tribute to EAPS!! I wanted to have this done sooner but. Truly you can’t rush art GHEHEH

I figured I’d ask you since you nicknamed Dark Sun, but do you have a name for the new Eclipse on TEAS? It feels wrong? weird? calling him Eclipse🙃

WHY YES, I DO!

I fully agree on how weird it was to call him Eclipse, and I decided to take a complete turn on interpretation of his name and environment!

We all (hopefully) know the base foundation of the world around TSBS is a world in which Humans live along side AI in a not-so-friendly manner. They’re given a couple rights, but not much overall. Put into work the second they’re created and not expected to live a life outside of servitude. Little did humanity know, androids were advancing faster than they could predict.

This lead to the science of AI, questioning if our recognizable animatronics are actually ALIVE. If they feel emotional/physical pain, if they understand humanity’s concepts, if they have souls.

If you want to check out an example of young AI vs old, sentient AI - observe Solar Flare and Eclipse from The Sun and Moon Show. Their interactions depict an AI that is not supposed to be sentient, confronting a faulty AI that is.

Because we’re in a different dimensions with clearly different rules, I decided to bend them as well.

In this universe, AI is getting farther ahead, and laws aren’t. AI is discovering itself and its identities, and Eclipse (EAS) is finding himself as well. Though he loves the name “Eclipse” and wouldn’t dare part with a “gift” such as it (or so he calls it), he strives to discover what it’s like to feel human, like many sentient androids wish for. So, he gains a human sub-name, Norman.

His design is based off the “regular joe, 9-to-5” stereotype…ish? Basing himself off a stereotype of the common man because it’s all he understands at his current moment in his sentient journey. Characters like him (and inspired off of) includes Free Guy and Fix It Felix.

I feel like I wanna put my own thoughts here because a part of me can't help but feel frustrated with ppl's stances on it. And to clarify this is not disrespect to ANYONE but I know this is a fandom and most fandoms can never agree on anything.

warning: opinions

I see a lot of people saying that Eclipse x roxy seems to...almost, take away the wanted representation of a platonic duo, and honestly I completely understand the frustration that fans feel with tsams and eaps for the constant inclusion of coupled characters, but in my opinion I feel like with the amount of TIME put into eclipse's redemption, finding a partner is just a check on the list. Roxy is the CLOSEST anyone has ever gotten to eclipse, he respects her, he finds her useful.

MOST partners usually are FRIENDS before LOVERS. I do feel the frustration but what representation is being taken away if it was never there?? in my opinion I think from the beginning roxy was planned to have some sort of connection with eclipse and naturally that would've built up over time.

As a check on the list, he finds hobbies, things to distract himself from work, KIDS to take care of, yes, roxy is a co-parent but she's also someone eclipse trusts more than enough to handle thing's he can't. You could say that about most of the characters but compared to roxy I would say even SHE cares about his well being MORE than anyone else!

Now of course, this fandom may end up doing what they did when solar x nebula became a thing...harassment, doxing, being just petty to ppl in general because god forbid tsbs want an actual healthy relationship for their characters. Most Startools haters were ruin x solar shippers or even solar x NEXUS shippers. The fact of the matter is those ships had too many issues in CANON to be anywhere NEAR healthy. But that's what the fans want and that's what they demand. They got nova frost, they got ruin and monty, and honestly I love them too because at least they have mutual and romantic attraction towards each other but in my opinion, to say eclipse and roxy have no chemistry at all couldn't be farther from the truth.

Eclipse states himself that he hardly even has time to THINK about his feelings towards anyone or sit down to think about something that could just let him relax, to say he's on that level in sexuality like Moon, where he could care less about dating when eclipse never even really sat down and THOUGHT about it enough to have a clear stance on it, baffles me. He said HIMSELF in "why eclipse doesn't date", he wouldn't hate the thought of being with someone. and whether Roxy is actually attracted to him or not, she's most definitely, and objectively the better option for him, even just to see how it feels to have those kinds of feelings.

These are just my opinion for the most part but I felt like I wanted to get it out there.

Side note: You don't have to ship it if it becomes canon anyways. I cannot stand seeing posts of ppl saying they're gonna "end" it or quit social media if something becomes canon or not dude. It's fictional, it does NOT affect you THAT much.

This audio fits them SO WELL.

Everything Ruin did was all for him. Everything Ruin did he had him in mind.

Man too bad they both look a fat L 🥱

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