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Saying Kimberly Monda aka Holly Fox is insane might as well be stating that water is wet and fire is hot. Was shown this gem by a friend, so let’s sit back, grab some popcorn, and tear this apart.

“For those who I have talked to.. I have come to the conculsion that I am not a character Thief.”

Me: Even though you are and everyone knows it, but by all means, ‘convince’ yourself that you’re not.

“Therefore I will be doing all sorta of stuff with Adara the Hyena. My previous journal was just meant to be silly cause of the accusation. So setting the record straight.. this is what I posted on my main account  hollyfox”

Me: Yes, because you have to make up for the 7 years of art of that character. "So I have a new fursuit named Adara, the brown hyena. I plan to make her a steampunk character or at least push the character toward a Victorian, or early 20th century character who is fascinated by all things Mechanical.”

Me: Ok. Good start, but how about... I dunno... change the name if you don’t want to continue to be accused of character theft? “Now the story of why I have a Hyena suit to begin with is from when I dated an ex of mine. He also has similar looking character named Adara, who is a minor character set in Ancient Egypt.”

Me: Minor character? I wouldn’t exactly call the mother of the main character minor.

“We dated, we decided to get a companion suit for one of his characters, we chose to get Adara made. My maker referenced a two pieces of art from two similar characters he had commissioned for his original concept back a few years ago. We broke up during the process of getting her commissioned. I paid for the suit, and already invested money in the fabric and the head was completed. My maker drew her own concept of the character and finished the suit according to how she drew it herself. So Yes, his character came first, but I paid for the suit. He decides to revoke my permission to use his character and intellectual property and he e-mailed the maker telling her she was to mail the suit to him when it was finished. As if he would get a free fursuit cause it was based off his "intellectual property" which he didn't draw the art, he paid someone else too.”

Me: I have every right to revoke permission and keep my intellectual property. So you’re saying that my intellectual property isn’t mine because someone else drew it? So by your logic that would mean George Lucas never had any right to claim Star Wars because all the stuff was designed by people he hired to design stuff? You have no idea how Intellectual Property and Intellectual Property Rights work, do you? I could have cared less about getting a free fursuit that I could never wear because it would be gigantic on me. I care about MY intellectual property.

“So the fursuit gets completed, and I have it, so my character is a Brown Hyena and I kept the name Adara, of which he has no creative right too simply because I do not appreciate him attempting to steal something I paid for. (and i liked the name) Adara is a 5000 year old Egyptian name. This would be like two people having a fox character named Holly.. WHICH btw there are other people who have drawn "holly fox" that is not my character.”

Me: I asked you to change the name, and you refused. And yes, I do have the right to it because I FUCKING CREATED THE CHARACTER! It’s like saying (and I’m going to use Lucas again) that Lucas didn’t own the rights to the name Luke Skywalker or Disney doesn’t own the rights to Mickey Mouse.

“Now, Here is the question I have and want to explore because I do intend on using the suit I paid for. I am I stealing his "intellectual property" because the suit looks very similar to his original concept art even thought her personality, her story background, and her time period and all her other characteristics are completely different from any story or plot he has his character involved in? At the time of commissioning i had his full support in getting it made. Now there are some differences such as color of the fur, ear color and eye color are different. He claims he was "bullied" after the break up to grant permission to use the character, but it is really "his" character?”

Me: Uhm... it’s still my character.  I was bullied. You threatened to sue me for trying to stop the creation of the suit after I revoked permission. Last I checked, that’s still called bullying in most circles. “Do looks make up the character? or does personality, background, storyline, etc make up the character?"

Me: Lots of things make up a character, but you stole her. Own up to it. “The best response to this that made the most sense was from  Miss.Anthro "*sigh* Ok. Complex situation here. The Design is his. It is based off of his character Osiris- and clearly made for his storyline and universe. However; He gave you permission to use that design to make a suit. The perimeters of his ownership now stop here. The Suit is no longer a design- and is now tangible property that you paid for. When he gave you permission to use the character; he gave you permission to buy and own a suit of that design. Now that he revoked said permission- This only means that you can no longer use the suit "AKA - the design" to be his character.”

Me: Uhm... tell that to all the people that Lucas has sued for making Stormtrooper Armor. “You would have to be a different character. Which isn't an issue- as you are more than willing to make the character your own- Which; you did. Example of this would be as if someone made a suit of Luthor. And Rukis revoked permission. "Please do not be my character anymore." They would say.. So then they would still have the suit- but they would simply have to make the design some other blue heeler. Rukis would not be able to claim the suit as property if they did not pay for it.”

Me: Funny considering how... YOU DIDN’T! You could have changed the color scheme or other shit at any time, but NO YOU HAD TO HAVE YOUR SUIT MADE OF MY CHARACTER COME HELL OR HIGH WATER.  “Clearly you can keep the name and suit if you make it someone else. In this case, you did. He cannot revoke permission for the creation of a suit once it is being made. He can only revoke permission to use it "As that character."

Me: Uhm... I can revoke my permission at any time. You don’t seem to understand how Intellectual Property Rights work. Studios revoke permission all the damn time, often in the middle of production, which means the studios building whatever then have to change lots of things. Look at how many studios have started on a King’s Quest game and had the license revoked. They’ve taken assets from that and heavily modified them so they can be used elsewhere. You didn’t modify a damn thing. “You are more than allowed to be a Victorian Hyena that just so happens to look like his family race and share the same name.”

Me: If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck.... “However- I would personally change the name to avoid any literal malicious intention. He can cite you as using the suit as "Adara- His Adara" even though the character is now a different individual. You would still be going against intellectual property usage if you kept the name. "Dopplegangers" count as a crossing a line if they share a name, AND design. An easy way around this is to simply add on a second name. "Melidois Adara" (They can still simply go by "Adara") to differentiate your character design/personality from his."

Me: Uhm... I don’t think you understand how Dopplegangers work. Dopplegangers look like someone but have a different name. Have you watched any of the Flintsons? Half their episodes were where Fred met his doppleganger, and they always had a very different name. “As A Result.. I will give Adara a last name... I have a few Ideas.. right now I am leaning with Adara Hyenafaux.”

A commentary on Kimberly Monda's recent post

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