Some people really act like demon the fallen retconned werewolf, as if mage/changeling and werewolf hadn't been contradicting either on every little detail for almost a decade at that point.
Eh, those two still work with the Umbra, just form a different Prespetive. Though Demon has no fucking clue what the Werewolves are and Mostly no idea about what Mages and Changelings are. But still the whole "God did it" is kinda a hard thing to shake off, especially given the Rokea as a breed claiming to be MILLIONS of years old, the kingdom of the lizard kings and other things. OF course their is something going on called "Layed Reality" but I hate that explanation.
How does demon not work with the umbra? that's like saying vampire doesn't work with the umbra. It's simply not something either splat is equipped to handle or really ever find. that's like complaining that mummy is bad because they don't interact with glamour or banality.
you do know that demon doesn't involve a young earth right? DTF's prehistory takes place untold eons ago.
Mages are one of two other supernaturals demons actually know anything about, and why is the demons confusion about other supernaturals relevant here?
Form what I understand they dont iteract with the Umbra as much. It's not a bad thing, plenty of hunters dont, but Mage, and Changeling, your examples, dont Deviate form Werewolf as much. Hell Vampire, with the Ebony Kingdom, Shows us that the Progenitor of Vampirism doesnt have to be Cain, and Vampirism becomes much more strange when that happens, giving some credence to other stories, like Werewolves the bloody man. Also I was not aware of that, but it that's the case, why are they so surprised about Shifters in General? Wouldn't they have run into Rokea and the VERY LARGE kingdom of the lizard kings? Which brings me into the "Demons do not know about werewolves, the spirit, and only a bit about changelings."They dont They didnt exist during the wars of Wrath and they didnt exist after it
The fallen are mystified as to why their presence prompts such a vicious reaction, as werewolves didn’t even exist as far as they know during the War of Wrath. Demon Storyteller Companion, page 70.
In other words, they got nothing on them. Also they call the whole Umbra, the Realm of the dead and the book doesn't talk about them Encountering Stuff like Banes. Hell the book it's self seems to not even Mention Changelings or the Dreaming at all. I do remember a post saying that they probably Recognize Changelings as creations of Mankind, but IDK where to find it.
yeah the shifters were not a thing during the war of wrath , apparently in the eon or two since then, things have changed, It's almost like that's the main point of the game or something.
(for real though demon the fallen is as accurate to the bible as werewolf is to hinduism, don't assume any random piece of weird biblical literalism is part of it's lore)
Of course you already said your peace about layered reality and that's a perfectly fine personal preference to have, but not an actual flaw of DTF.
Also yes it is kind of weird how the demon ST guide just skips over changeling, the kith and fallen have a LOT in common actually and a bunch of interesting possible dynamics
They still meantion Humans being around during this time, so it was pre history of Humanity but it should also be the era of the Golden age of the Fera, before the Impgrium. It wasnt that long ago is what I am saying.
Something else was going on at the time and it's either the Demons where blind to it or the layered Reality is...stranger than I thought. Still, Layered Reality seems like a Cop out to me. And GOD so true. I think changeling 20th meantions the fallen, let me check.
as i said, without the whole franken-timeline/multiple choice past thing wod has going on your trying to make a timeline that was never meant to be made
Aslo C20 does have a demon profile, that being said it's just "demons exist, house Balour says they are thallians from a previous cycle"
(now that i think about having the demons return to a straight up different world than the one they made sounds pretty cool, maybe humanity had simply not entered the world of darkness when the Lizard kings were around)
