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Mixing a bit of canon and headcanons (based off canon) here. It was never really explored how the stone felt other than that his memories of it aren’t the best. But his statue is crying in almost every comic it appears in. This can really only mean one thing, to me at least.
He was not by any means completely unconscious. And why would he be? He’s the apple, not the vessel. Only his body was turned to stone, by one final act to save his life.
And Dream’s age is 502 immediately after breaking free of stone, I just chose 515 for the story because it feels right and gives you a sense of the timeline I imagine. We don’t have a strict one in canon.
Nightmare keeps his statue with him until finally letting Neil take it back.
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i genuinely don’t think I’ve seen another person talk about Dream’s aura. Not really. It is one of the most interesting and kind of scary parts of his powers. It is canon that he can effectively overdose people on positivity and they can become obsessed. It doesn’t happen all the time because he is constantly on the move, but it can happen. It can make them fall in love normally too. We also see Nightmare do very similar things in the opposite direction, only his aura, much stronger, turns people in mindless killing things rather than people. Dream’s aura is much more subtle. Maybe you wouldn’t even notice it while he was there, his presence is always a calming sensation. A mood lifter from any stage of mood. But when he leaves, all that disappears in an instant. Love for him can never be guaranteed as “true” or just a hallucination of his soul. All of this weighs on him.
Color is not immune to its effects, though, I don’t think every person necessarily would act crazy because of it. I think it depends on how well a person can manage their reactions to their emotions, and how they process them mentally. I think Color doubts himself a little though, because he doesn’t like to be alone, and Dream’s departure is the most poignant loneliness one could ever feel.
Stole some of the Color lines from @malaky-nightm4r3 because they went pretty hard
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Actually kinda obsessed with the idea that Corrupted Nightmare constantly posions the memories Dream had of his childhood, using exactly the same ideas that people in the fandom thought Dream did
You were a bad brother, Nightmare hated you, he was jealous of you, you abandoned him, you cared more about the villagers than him, you didn't help him, you enjoyed your time away from him, you were blind to his suffering, you didn't listen to him, you took all the love for yourself, you took all the gifts for yourself, you took everything from him, he hates you, he hated you, I am a manifestation of the hate he never told you about
None of it is true, if you know the story: Nightmare loved Dream more than anything. He hid his pain to protect HIM. Dream did everything to try to help him. He gave his gifts away to him. He was maliciously lied to and lured away when the villagers hurt Nightmare. He sat with him for days when he too wouldn't talk or move. Nightmare did it to prove himself good, not out of jealousy.
But, there's just enough room for doubt. Corrupted Nightmare can distort everything, he can change reality itself if he insists hard enough. He has access to the memories and he can call upon them and burn them through with negativity. Maybe those memories have even changed for him because of it.
Even the audience themselves can be tricked into having false memories of the story, and they knew more than even Dream did.
So, he attempts takes away every single good thing Dream ever had, even the memories of the brother Dream lost.
Personally I think canon Dream and canon Killer would have one of the most interesting and complicated to explain relationship/interactions to each other in the entire fandom but I don’t think anyone would be ready for the ideas I’d have in mind about it
So for starters, I’m going to establish this is relatively young and inexperienced Dream meeting Killer at the point Nightmare has taken him for quite some time. I’m also much more confident on Dream’s side of things, I feel like Killer could be taken in some different directions, but this is the most interesting to me and lines up with what I’ve seen so far from him in canon. My interpretation of the two:
The first thing you’d need to know about their interactions would be that Killer’s primary knowledge of Dream is entirely filtered through Nightmare. While he may find Dream curious or interesting at times, there is initially an underlying adversarial nature between them. I’m going to be talking about that. Killer is, in this scenario, the only person Nightmare ever takes (going off of canon Nightmare), making Killer an exception for Dream, and a very bad one at that.
Dream spends most of his time early days fleeing from Nightmare, who is substantially stronger than he is especially in the universes he tends to travel to (more negative ones to help and try to spread positivity.) Now he has a second, emotionless, incredibly violent, and incredibly devastating companion who he brings around, who I am sure Dream has had unfortunately sicked on him multiple times. And for Dream, facing the both of them is genuinely terrifying, because while he might be able to fend off Nightmare, Killer takes his attention away enough that Nightmare could land a blow to kill him. Plus, Dream is by no means immune to Killer’s attacks. Their only interactions are fundamentally a life or death scenario for Dream and an eternal battle for Killer, of his ‘ruler’s’ final goal and only real enemy.
Dream has no ability to figure out what Killer’s feeling, the whole emotionless thing and all, which is incredibly disconcerting for him. He feels everyone’s feelings after all, the only people that don’t feel are dead. Killer is like a ghost in his world. He would still feel sympathy for him. He wouldn’t have the slightest idea how to help.
Maybe he manages to find Killer alone sometimes, but here’s the thing about Killer, he requires very strong stimuli of potential emotion to break through stages, and the strongest of those is negativity. Dream doesn’t understand making someone feel horrifically worse to make them feel emotions which will eventually make them feel better, nor would he know, and I doubt he would stumble accidentally into causing enough positivity to make him change stages. He also, if somehow managed to start making him feel something (bad), would probably stop what he’s doing because he thinks he’s doing something wrong. This leads him to a dead end, where the time required to figure that out takes significantly longer than he’s able to. If he tries to take Killer somewhere, it doesn’t go well for either of them and Nightmare will be hot on his tail, so he’s practically out of options. Hence why I think Color is a significantly better person to do it, given his ability to be somewhat negative, lack of empathy powers, and have the capacity to stay for much longer periods of time. Dream has to move universes, he can’t stay in the same place for long periods of time, if you didn’t know.
Once Killer has regained emotions, this is where our complications start to arise.
Let’s consider Dream friends with Color and knowledgeable in his endeavours. Maybe he even had a hand in helping it come to fruition. He does everything in his power to help Color when he needs it and when he’s around. He wants to help Killer, he wants to see him change, and he’s incredibly happy Color has managed to make a break through with him. He also is 100% his biggest hype-man for their romance. The biggest supporter. This is a good start. Killer appreciates this.
However, I believe there are many things at play with how Killer treats/sees Dream:
1. The mortal enemy of the person he worked for, of whom, he already has a complicated love/hate relationship with. Those incredibly negative views of Dream, though maybe not fully believed by him, are always in the back of his head. Like a first impression he can never shake.
2. Dream is the brother of Nightmare. Killer fundamentally cannot reckon the idea that Dream is not the inverse of Nightmare. If Nightmare’s goal is to spread negativity, to make him and everyone around him have the most negative thoughts possible, then Dream MUST do the opposite. He must try to get rid of negativity, of bad things, of bad thoughts, and push them aside. He is, afterall, trying to kill Nightmare too. This is a wrong perception of him, but it is continually reinforced by things he misinterprets about him. Once the idea embeds itself, everything seems proof to his belief.
3. And this is my favourite - Killer, a real good man at reading faces, knows Dream is a liar. Nightmare is not a liar. Dream is a LIAR. And I want you to understand this point very very carefully. Dream does not lie in a negative fashion, he is a very sincere person, he likes a great deal of things, he is very positive about people BUT he is a liar about himself. When he says his day was good, that nothing’s on his mind, that he’s fine, he’s lying and the smile he gives to prove that he is happy is a lie. And Killer knows it. And he doesn’t like people that do that. He wants Dream to tell him exactly how he feels. He much prefers a hard hand for himself and his emotions and his actions. He prefers someone who doesn’t mince words. Dream does not want to tell anyone how he feels, it is a bad experience for him. Dream does not speak harshly, he does not perceive the world in such a fashion. To speak any other way would be insincere for him. They are at a cross roads for their communication styles.
I think point 3 actually contradicts Killer’s logic in point 2 a little bit. And I think it’s a reasonable contradiction for him to hold. From his side, he believes Dream tries to make negativity go away, and he lies about his own negativity. These two things reinforce each other. No contradiction.
Dream would see it a different way: Killer believes he is only positivity! But actually, he can’t help but feel negativity a great deal of the time. And Killer has been able to catch onto this! Something most people don’t do. But for whatever reason, he can’t seem to understand that’s why he’s NOT like Nightmare. Because he UNDERSTANDS negativity is essential to people and their perception of themselves and their journey and their life. While he may try to help people feel better, he is by no means trying to be dismissive of the negativity they feel, and this is something Killer has yet to understand about him, because of the perceptions he holds. Any attempt at Dream to help him feels dismissive of his negativity because Dream’s end goal must be to make all his negativity go away.
When Dream tries to help him, he is much more adversarial than anyone else even saying the exact same thing because of it. Killer wants Dream to be meaner because he thinks he’s pretending to be nicer than he is. He’s not. Killer wants Dream to stop smiling when he’s not happy. He can rarely do that either.
Dream, on the other hand just can’t figure out how to approach Killer properly about helping him and is really just an awkward mess in trying to do so because Killer seems to get upset at any attempts to talk about his emotions.
I think this could become a very interesting conversation for the two of them. One where Dream recognizes Killer treats him a little differently than others, and considers him to be like Nightmare, that being positive and only positive is in his nature. So he talks to him about it, and Killer tells him what he thinks. Dream tells him he’s right about his smile and he’s wrong about who he is. Dream apologizes for trying too quickly to help him change his self image. He apologizes for even being the one to try, as he recognizes that if Killer doesn’t trust him, his words come out hollow. But in truth, he doesn’t want Killer to just give up his negativity and suddenly feel all better about what he’s done. He wants him, when he is ready and only when he is ready, to reconcile his self hatred, even just a little bit. He doesn’t have to forgive himself. By no means does he have to think he did good. But with someone he trusts, like Color, Dream just wants him to like himself again. To find joy in his ability to change, even if that means hating who he used to be. If Killer dislikes him for that, then that’s all right.
And maybe he will for quite some time.
Another thing they could talk about is the nature of their souls. Killer believes Dream is a reflection of Nightmare. He even has the opposite kind of soul, supposedly. But Dream laments his soul is very burdensome for him. A soul, that directly affects your emotions, thrust upon you by some horrible sequence of events. Killer’s made him feel emotionless. Dream’s makes him feel everything. Killer was given the ability to stay alive through almost anything, and Dream was given the ultimate death to die. Not so different, perhaps.
He puts on a smile, he says, because he believes that if his smile causes one other person to smile, then it will have been worth it.
And, that a lot of people see him like Killer does. That he is positivity, and positivity is him. It’s partially true. He doesn’t feel like that inside, but, that’s what he is. And that’s what everyone sees. So, if that’s what everyone sees, then what would they feel if the embodiment of positivity showed how often he felt awful, if the embodiment of positivity cried in front of them. They would feel worse, hopeless maybe, and as consequence, he would feel worse too!
Killer tells him he doesn’t have to do that around him. Maybe they have a small bit of understanding.
I think Killer is a quite unfair to Dream, but I think that’s extra interesting because a. It doesn’t affect Dream’s opinion of him, and b. If I were to write out interactions for it, it would likely come off much more like Killer was the one being wronged. Because no matter what Dream would say to try to help, Killer would most likely interpret it as pushy, and since he can get in the last word over Dream’s relative passivity and plays into his fear of being misunderstood, Dream would be left overly apologetic from accidentally making him upset, but would never challenge him for treating him unfairly. And because he hides a lot of his internal emotions, Killer’s point of view comes across much clearer! He can state his position more succinctly and confidently!
If you look at it from Dream’s perspective he has done nothing but attempt to rehabilitate a mass murderer, mortal enemy, who has severely wounded him repeatedly, who is the one person he was never able to feel the emotions of and connect to on a person level, who he still believes in the humanity of to his very last breath, who he struggles very very much to help without making him upset and feeling bad. He truly wants to see Killer happy. When he comes to the conclusion he’s bad at talking to Killer properly, he’ll ask Color to help instead. He never even asked for an apology.
I think Killer would apologize to Dream for what he did for Nightmare eventually, but it would take a long time. Killer doesn’t hate Dream, even if have a bit of a like/dislike relationship. But even despite all the distrust he feels towards him, Dream has been very kind to him in the past, he believes he can change, he’s friends with Color, and he is interesting in nature partially because he’s hiding things and Killer knows he is. Even after he tells him something from his heart, it’s always like he’s still hiding things about himself.
His aura is interesting too.
Killer finds Dream’s aura more sinister than Nightmare’s. Nightmare’s is incredibly apparent. It is unmistakable. It suffocates and burns. And the second he leaves, it feels better. But Dream’s is subtle. It is unnoticeable until it’s gone. It makes you believe you aren’t feeling it at all then forces you to reconcile with the fact you were. That your day was not in fact as good as you thought it was two minutes before he left. And every time he’s around it seems to work its way in deeper. It’s hard to even form correct feelings around him, but you think you are, you believe you are. You’re not. Color tells him Dream is afraid of his aura. It changes no feelings on it for Killer. It is an inherent distrust of his own feelings, something he already struggles with greatly.
I think inevitably Dream and Killer would become friends, but only after some time. Killer needs to be in a much better place to accept Dream’s help is genuine and he doesn’t want to control him like Nightmare. Dream needs to study the way Killer reacts to things longer than the average person he meets before he understands how to talk to him on a level Killer respects and understands.
I focused more on the conflict than friendship, don’t take it as the whole picture, the conflict is just more interesting
Perhaps I’ll add more if I think about it, but those are my thoughts for now.
Bonus fact, I don’t think Dream understands Killer’s humour in the slightest. Completely clueless. LOL. Their way of speaking just fundamentally does not communicate properly to the other. Killer comes off self destructive and sarcastic, Dream doesn't understand sarcasm and doesn't want him to put himself down. No fun for Killer. Stressful for Dream. Dream is trying so hard. Killer is purposefully not trying. Disaster I tell you.
Do you all remember that episode of Danny Phantom where he finds out the “last male” purple gorilla is actually female and basically saves the entire species? (Yes, you do).
So. Consider this:
What if after that whole incident Danny realizes it wasn’t a one-off. It wasn’t just ghost empathy or a fluke. He actually understands animals. Like—full comprehension. Not vibes. Not guesswork. Actual body language processing.
At first he thinks it’s just ghost-adjacent nonsense. Some weird liminal side effect of being half-dead. But then he starts noticing patterns. Birds arguing about territory. Stray dogs giving eyewitness accounts. Rats with municipal-level gossip networks.
And once he severs ties with Amity Park (because let’s be honest, that town does not deserve him), he doesn’t go full broody hermit. He does something smarter.
Sam absolutely clocks the ethical implications immediately.
“Danny, this isn’t just a power. This is regulatory leverage.”
So with her pushing him (and probably handling the paperwork because you know he would not), he goes legit. Registers as a consultant. Animal behavioral analysis, ecological assessment, investigative audits. Zoos. Factory farms. Research facilities. Private estates.
Except he’s not analyzing behavior.
He’s taking testimony.
And suddenly exposés start dropping. Facilities shut down. Conditions improve overnight because word spreads fast in human spaces when a meta-human can walk into a building and say, very calmly:
“The tigers would like to discuss your ventilation system.”
He becomes a little famous. Not flashy Justice League famous. More like whispered-in-elite-circles famous. The kind of person corporations get nervous about.
Which is how he ends up in Gotham.
Cut to:
Danny standing in front of Wayne Manor after speaking to one of the Wayne pets.
He’s polite. Unbothered.
“Hi. So. Your bats asked me to visit.”
And somewhere deep in the Batcave, several hundred bats are absolutely losing their minds because FINALLY someone is listening.
Bruce is suspicious. Obviously.
Danny is just there like, “Sir, your microchiroptera community has notes. Mostly about the acoustics. Also one of them thinks you’re emotionally constipated.”
And honestly?
That’s how the Wayne family gets a consultant who doesn’t need hacking skills to uncover secrets.
A bat landed on Danny's shoulder and immediately started chittering.
Danny: "Mmm..." *nods*
Danny: "I see..."
Danny: "He, the bat, just said you're too emotionally constipated." *slides down his sunglasses and looks at Bruce judgingly* "Might want to start talking to a psychiatrist or something. You're stressing out the bats."
Ace wouldn't be able to put illusions on Color (unless he begged and pleaded and cried to make me modify his canon) so he would think Color — probably the second nicest guy in the known multiverse — was out to get him specifically.
But if he DID convince me to let him use his illusions because it's funny, then he would probably make a bunch of fake soul voices and just harass Color with it to get back at him for having 6 souls to originally supercede his powers. And then maybe like turn his vision hyper pop colours. Just a real one sided beef I think.
You have to understand that Ace lives his entire life working on dream/cartoon logic despite not actually being present in it, so when I put him in a room where his illusions don't work he freaks out a little.
It would go a little something like:
Ace: Dear creator, though you may think this amusing, may I suggest to you that it would be significantly funnier, a much greater jest of a time, for me to have my powers cast this man into a variety of upsets out of his control. Imagine what fun we could have, so much greater than me, standing here, refusing to participate because you refuse to let me affect a not-actual-god-yet being despite being very lenient in other capacities. Truly, you don't even seem to know what does and does not count—
Color (looking up at the sky as Ace does): Hey bud, who are you talking to?
Ace: I am not here. You cannot see me. I am about to disappear! About to end the scene! I am falling into the ground! You are dreaming. You won't remember this encounter. Your canon-self knows not that I exist. We are all an illusion. What were we talking about? End scene. End it! Now!
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Sudden idea of what if. I had Dream Sans just stand there in the corner as I pet very dangerous animals around him because only his aura calms every animal down peacefully.
I get to pet a giant cat. :D
Food for thought and dang i need to draw my oc with this