Hello Charity!! [âŚ] I have a friend I am having a hard time typing, I think because I have difficulty distinguishing between Si and Fi. I think she is either an INFP or an ISFJ.
She seems more Si-dom than Fi-dom to me, although you could solve this quite easily by thinking about how she communicates. With a Fi-dom, itâs âmeâ and with an ISFJ, itâs âusâ and âwe.â They do or donât do things, based on how it will impact others around them; Fiâs do or donât do it, based on how they feel about it. So, if she were bone tired after a long day of studying, but a friend was having a birthday party, why would she choose to attend anyway?
Fe: Sheâs looking forward to me being there and I canât disappoint her. It would also look bad to our mutual friends and maybe cause suspicion that we are not getting along. Iâm going for her.
Fi: I care about our friendship, so Iâm going to go.
One is outward-focused (they will feel this about me not being there, so I need to be there) and one is inward focused (I want to be a good friend, and that means going). Alternatively, would she give up something if someone asked her to? A Fe would, because their behavior affects those around them, and they feel responsible for them (I need to be a good role model). A Fi would, because this person and what they think about me matters more than doing this thing. Itâs a subtle distinction, but itâs there.
[âŚ] Weâve gotten into the habit of picking a fandom and telling each other our âbig 3â from that fandom (which is pretty fun cause we always have wildly different answers). That seems pretty Fi to me
Fi is âmeâ âmyselfâ and âI.â
Fi-dom: Everyone else is talking about how much they love dogs. I hate dogs, and Iâm going to mention it, to make them stop.
Fe-user: Wow, everyone loves their dogs. Theyâre not my favorite, but whatever rocks their boat. Iâll ask them about their dog, to get them talking.
So, itâs less what you like/dislike or want to talk about, and more how you go about talking about it, or silencing a conversation you donât want to be having. Low Te just⌠puts up a wall and shuts up or walks out. Low Ti asks questions or argues more. Low Te has a âI canât change their mind, so why bother?â whereas low Ti has a âif they just understand my reasoning, theyâll change their mind.â High Fi doesnât have a responsibility to fix other people (more of a âIâll do my thing, you do yoursâ); higher Fe feels responsible for them, because their problems gain collateral damage and hurt the people Fe cares about.
[âŚ] I love revisiting things from the past as much as the next feeling dom person with tertiary Si, I love trying to recreate feelings I loved as a child, but I think she does it to a much greater extent.
It does sound like she utilizes higher Si than you.
However, I donât think I see much Fe in her and I very much doubt sheâs a thinker. đ
You need to elaborate on this, and what you think Fe is, because you havenât really told me yet.
She likes to take control of most situations and can be surprisingly aware of what she wants and how to get it for a 9.
Interesting. This could be an indicator for SJ, because they are aware of how reality works, and how to get what you want, certain steps need to be taken, whereas low Te feels ?? and looks for ways to reinvent the wheel.
I had her and an ENFP friend over recently and sat quiet and afraid while they each argued over whether we would finish the show we had started tonight or wait till the morning.
This doesnât indicate type necessarily; 9s can be pretty argumentative, particularly when they have an opinion and donât really care about the other person that much. If ENFP was your friend, this friend probably has less of an emotional attachment to her than you do, and has no problem being assertive. She might be more reluctant if she prioritized the relationship (or alternatively, felt so comfortable with you both that sheâs fine asserting herself).
I was with the ENFP friend: I wanted to watch tonight. I was not willing to voice my opinion and cause more conflict than there already was (saying this is of course making me re-think my type again because that sounds so Fe).
Plenty of FJ types get into loud arguments, because âI am right, and they are wrong, and their opinion is hurtful to the community, so itâs my job to correct them.â The difference is, their focus is outward, when they do keep the peace: I donât want to make her feel uncomfortable, so I will hold my tongue. Vs. Fiâs âI donât want to deal with your drama, so Iâm not gonna argue with you today.â
For you, is your reasoning behind being quiet internally based (prioritizing your OWN feelings and peace) or externally based (prioritizing THEIR feelings and peace)?
Speaking of her being internally-oriented, I think the finding our âbig 3â every where we go thing seems so Fi because we really are trying to figure ourselves out: our identity in this world and who we can latch ourselves onto and say: see! iâm not alone, this person thinks like me too!
This is sweet, but not necessarily Fi. Everyone wants to know who they are, from ESTPs down to INFPs. Thatâs why typology is so popular! Our ego as human beings is invested in knowing who we are, why we exist, what drives us, and what we can do with our life. Itâs also nice to know you are not alone, but I would drop in this Fi tidbit: two people of the same type are not the same. Our individual experiences make us all different. So, two people can have the same pain of loss, but a different level of pain, because they had two different grieving experiences, based on how they felt, their relationship to the person they lost, etc. (This is Fi thinking for you: we are alike, but not the same, I am focused on me and how Iâm different from you, and I wonât assume I know what you are going through, because without having experienced anything similar to that on an emotional level, I donât know.)
We are both big dreamers, but she has a much stronger sense of herself and her dreams than I do.
That is very interesting. Iâm assuming she has either an assertive fix in her tritype or is 2 fixed, because thatâs a lot of âI am THISâ ⌠which doesnât disqualify her from being an ISFJ.
She wants to be a wife, and a mother, and although she flip-flops between teacher, nurse, or florist sometimesâŚ
A very ISFJ desire to have; they are BIG on marriage and family.
[âŚ] I, on the other hand, want most of all to be a writer, but I have gone my whole life questioning all of my alternatives or extensions of that dream (teacher, filmmaker, actress, screenwriter, environmental scientist, etc, etc.).
I do think Fi-dom is likely for you, because this is about your friendâs typing, and the conversation keeps coming back to you. No shade, thatâs just how Fi operates. âI am my own point of reference, and all things revolve around me, so I am good for comparative purposes.â
Even though she has no fear asking for what she wants, she can be fearful of talking about her feelings and how something has hurt her.
Itâs one thing if itâs coming from an internal place of âmy emotions are pretty complex and I can be feeling a lot of them all at once, and it takes time and me being alone to figure out how to articulate them, and they often come out better in writingâŚâ and another if itâs âI donât want to share right now, you would not appreciate it, or I donât want trouble.â
It's also common sometimes for IFJs to resist Fe development; it makes them too aware of being attuned to other people, so they push against it, and donât let Fe grow and do what it does best, which is to devolve into ease of communication, being aware of another personâs needs, and knowing how to balance out their requests from your behaviors, and to learn to not feel whatever they are feeling, as a Fe-using 9.
Thatâs actually a good point to raise here; a Fi-9 is self-aware and doesnât feel what others are feeling; their opinions may soften, but their internal sense of âI have no connection to thatâ remains true, whereas a FJ 9 can become a mirror for other peopleâs emotions and may not know where theirs end and mine begin when around them.
Thank you so so much for your help! Have a lovely weekend :)
You too. Itâs hotter than Hades here (over 100 degrees most days) and smokey from wildfires, so I am just praying for rain and cooler weather at this point.