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“You can’t make films about things, you can only make films with things, with people, with light, with flowers, with mirrors, with blood.”
- Haynes, Fassbender, and Sirk
Back when I was in uni, for one of my classes I ended up reading a piece of film theory called "Tales of Sound and Fury: Observations on the Family Melodrama" by Thomas Elsaesser.
What Elsaesser is really interested in discussing is the American family dramas and brightly-colored romances of the 50s and 60s, but, for me, something that stood out is the way that he wrote about the concept of "melodrama," and how that it manifest itself in works such as Moonlight Chicken.
So I wanted to write sort of a cross-film, cross-genre analysis that works its way through examples of classic melodramas (All that Heaven Allows, Ali: Fear Eats the Soul, and Far From Heaven) into Thai shows such as Moonlight Chicken and Ticket to Heaven to discuss common threads and themes.
I also want to highlight why Moonlight Chicken's status a queer drama is so powerful, and how Aof Noppharnach's (the show's director's) focus on the visual language of the series culminates in one of my favorite scenes of all time.
(Post continues under the cut below- brief heads up that it's a little long!)
Melodrama
I.
Elsaesser touches on a couple different definitions of melodrama, so let's start with the first: a more classic understanding of the word.
He writes that,
In its dictionary sense, melodrama is a dramatic narrative in which musical accompaniment marks the emotional effects.
This is still perhaps the most useful definition, because it allows melodramatic elements to be seen as constituents of a system of punctuation, giving expressive colour and chromatic contrast to the storyline, by orchestrating the emotional ups and downs of the intrigue." (pg. 172)
In terms of an example of this, we might think about about "melodramatic" moments in soap operas or maybe even lakorns, where dramatic scenes are paired with intense music.
If you've even seen To Sir, With Love or a number of other Thai lakorns, you know exactly what I'm talking about- there's so many moments through out the show that are key examples of this.
It might seem counterintuitive to think about the word "melodrama" paired with the word "music," but this actually comes from the original definition of the word.
Historically, in the eighteenth century, melodramas referred to "Victorian dramas in which orchestral music or song was used to accompany the action." However, the definition of the word has expanded since then.
II.
Thinking about how the film industry has changed over time, Elsaesser proposes a second way to define the term:
Considered as an expressive code, melodrama might therefore be described as a particular form of dramatic mise-en-scène, characterized by a dynamic use of spatial and musical categories... [that] allow for complex aesthetic patterns. (pg. 173)
He notes that with the advent of sound, films switched from having a live piano accompaniment as the only thing punctuating the emotional highs-and-lows of the story to spoken words/dialogue.
Elsaesser theorizes that because early directors had to develop "an extremely subtle and yet precise language...of lighting, staging, decor, [etc]" (pg. 173) to compensate for things (i.e. tension, tonality) that could only be expressed through words, a switch was made when sound was introduced.
He argues that, just as speech in the modern film world "loses some of its semantic importance in favor of its material aspects as sound [i.e. diction]," then conversely "lighting, composition, and decor increase their semantic and syntactic contributions to the aesthetic effect. They become fundamental and integral elements in the construction of meaning. This is the justification for giving critical importance to the mise-en-scène over intellectual content or story value" (pg. 173-4).
Thanks for staying with me, because I know that these pieces of theory might seem a little overwhelming.
But essentially, what Elsaesser is trying to say is that around the 50s-60s, key aspects of the American family melodrama were not only expressed through dialogue/sound, but also through stuff such as set design, color, and frame composition. Minor elements of a film were used to call attention to a character's mental and emotional state of mind.
All that Heaven Allows, Ali: Fear Eats the Soul, and Far From Heaven
Source: Criterion
Douglas Sirk was a famous director of melodramas, including well-known works such as Written on the Wind (1956) and Imitation of Life (1959) I'll use one of his films, All that Heaven Allows- as well as its various adaptions (Ali: Fear Eats the Soul and Far From Heaven)- to provide examples of Elsaesser's theory.
All that Heaven Allows (1955) follows the story of Cary, a widow who falls in love with her much younger arborist, Ron. Their relationship very much is a forbidden romance, especially since the two have an age gap and come from different social classes (coupled by the fact that Ron was previously a contractor that Cary hired).
Members of Cary's community- including her friends and her adult children- disapprove of their relationship, which is met with a lot of backlash. In the end, however, Cary decides not to let other people determine how she lives her life- choosing to end up with Ron.
Stills that highlight Sirk's use of color (Source: film_magic)
Sirk's directorial style is characterized by an extreme attention to aspects of filmmaking such as color theory and mise-en-scène. All that Heaven Allows is not an exception- like Elsaesser suggests, the film translates melodrama and emotional tension into even the smallest details.
For instance, during one seemingly minor scene, Cary's children gift her a TV, intending for it to keep her "company" instead of Ron. As the gift is revealed, the camera zooms closer and closer to the screen, eventually focusing on Cary's distorted reflection.
Daniel Lehman has a much more extensive deep-dive into this scene, but I'll touch on some of his key ideas here.
The particular framing of the shot, with "the placement of Ned and the TV man on either side of the television, while Cary is seen only as a reflection within, suggests her removal from their world as a whole. She does not fit in with them anymore; it seems as if she no longer cares to, either. She is observing her own detachment from the socialite crowd that she was once so content to be a part of."
Even smaller aspects of the scene, such as the colors used in the background and the movement of the camera (which creates a "revelatory" shot), add to its impact.
Lehman notes that,
"This is not because of some technical trickery by the filmmaker. Rather, the scene is shot in such a way to earn this response from the viewer all on its own. We know Cary’s character well enough to know what she is thinking and what her next action will be, all without any verbal hints, and are enraptured by her inner turmoil displaying itself onscreen."
This fits closely with Elsaesser's idea that a melodrama's mise-en-scène (lighting, montage, visual rhythm, decor, style of acting, and music) help "translate...character into action" and "action into gesture and dynamic space" (pg. 176)
The television scene- although a minor moment- becomes almost the turning point of the film as it prompts Cary to reflect on her decision to leave Ron behind. Later, it helps spur her to give their relationship another try (thus moving character into action).
Before I move on from All that Heaven Allows, I think one other interesting observation is that this focus on mise-en-scène may (in part) be due to the Hays Code.
The Hays Code, which lasted in the US from 1934 to 1968, imposted self-censorship regulations over major motion pictures. Under the code, everything from profanity to showing a man and a woman sleeping in the same bed could be cut from a film.
Source: Margaret Herrick Library Digital Collections
Correspondence between the film's team and the Motion Picture Association of America shows the extent of which aspects of All that Heaven Allows were picked over.
Contrary to what you might expect, Elsaesser actually argues that (at times) restraints on what directors could talk about or cover actually allowed for more sophisticated melodramas. Directors began to explore a "conscious use of style-as-meaning" (pg. 175), which was a distinct improvement.
After All that Heaven Allow's release, the film was adapted two more times- once in 1974 by German director Rainer Werner Fassbinder, and again in 2002 by Todd Haynes.
Posters for Ali: Fear Eats the Soul and Far From Heaven
Fassbinder's adaption, Ali: Fear Eats the Soul, increases the age gap between the characters and changes several other factors. By having Emmi, a 60 year old German woman, fall in love with a much younger Moroccan migrant worker, Ali, Fassbinder is able to ruminate on differences such as race and immigration status.
Emmi's friends, co-workers, and neighbors all discriminate against Ali, and disapprove of their relationship.
However, Emmi isn't the most accepting person herself. On the wall of her apartment hangs an entire rack of medals earned by her deceased husband, who was a soldier in the Nazi military.
The presence of these medals constantly looms over the film as a whole. It seems almost inevitable that, since Emmi still supports some Nazi ideals, their relationship is already doomed to last.
Like with the TV, the appearance of one piece of decor and/or mise-en-scène is highly revealing of characters' "emotional and psychological predicaments" (pg. 174).
Similarly to Fassbinder, Haynes' 2002 film Far from Heaven, expands on the melodramatic potential of All that Heaven Allows- this time exploring topics related to sexuality, class, and gender roles.
While working on the movie, Haynes noted that,
"While the look and style of those '50s melodramas are anything but realistic, there's something almost spookily accurate about the emotional truths of those films. They are hyperreal, that's why we call them melodramas. Because they are about the kinds of things that are close to our private, personal lives, like falling out of love with somebody.”
Melodramas may get a bad rep as "over-the-top" or "unrealistic," but, as a genre, it's more than that. It's fundamentally centered around these inner truths- characters' thoughts, feelings, and experiences.
Melodramatic Potential
It might not be surprising to hear that all three films I've discussed above were either produced by queer directors (Fassbender, Haynes) and/or starred queer actors (Rock Hudson as Ron All that Heaven Allows, although the extent to which he was "out" at the time is complicated).
I think that as almost a sub-genre, queer melodrama (or really any melodrama connected to or about a marginalized group) is particularly strong.
These types of films have something to say. Actors and directors who have already experienced discrimination can tell some of the most powerful stories- they already know what it's like to live through some of these moments, or to exist on the margins. And melodramas are the perfect format- they often comment on or are critical of social, cultural, and political issues.
Thus, it's not a coincidence that the Thai films and shows I'll talk about next also position queerness next to the intersection of class, poverty, and disability.
These works, which take on the "roughness" of life compared to the more smooth, glassy world of most BLs, are uniquely suited to analyzing using this theory.
Moonlight Chicken
Moonlight Chicken has two qualities that make it ideal for looking at it through the lens of melodrama.
According to Elsaesser, in order to create "style-as-meaning," the best melodramas require "a highly self-conscious stylist" (pg. 175).
Compared to other directors in the industry, P'Aof has sometimes been cited as an "auteur" filmmaker, one who has a specific sort of "style, vision, and thematic focus" across his body of work.
I should note that I think some credit is also due here to the show's cinematographer, Rath Roongrueangtantisook, who had a massive impact on the show's lighting. P'Aof and Rath have collaborated on almost all of P'Aofs most well-known works (Ticket to Heaven, Last Twilight, etc), and they really compliment each other in terms of visual style and environmental storytelling.
Based on attention to color that P'Aof has paid in other works where he hasn't collaborated with Rath (such as Bad Buddy), as well as different connections between color and politics (as observed by @telomeke), it's likely that he had specific involvement in and intent behind choosing the color scheme that he did for the series. So I'll mainly move forward with P'Aof's collection of work and vision as the focus, but I'll credit/include Rath whenever possible.
(I should note that although Elsaesser's paper relies on the concept of auteur theory, I'm not always the biggest fan of it. I think often in filmmaking it's more collaborative than that- for instance, P'Aof and Rath could have brainstormed ideas together, and that's where the idea for the color scheme could've come from. It's possible that Rath and/or other people involved in the production could've had a significant impact on some of things discussed below. I think it's important to acknowledge that as well, since determining who did what and if auteur theory fits can be kind of tricky).
Like Sirk, the use of color throughout Moonlight Chicken becomes particularly important. P'Aof extends color not only into the character's outfits and surroundings, but also into lighting- including when the characters step outside the realm of the restaurant. The streets at night are constantly awash in colors of reddish-orange and blue.
In general, directors and filmmakers do pay a lot of attention to aspects of color and mise-en-scène- the set designers in The Next Prince, for instance, subtly alter the color scheme and design of Khanin's bedroom after he returns back home from Emmaly in order to indicate how although he's grown, some parts of his life are still the same.
But I typically find P'Aof's work to be more highly stylized than that of most other BL directors. A few other examples of (similarly) highly stylized Thai queer works include Flat Girls, Gelboys, and Clairebell.
I think another component of Moonlight Chicken- as well as the works listed above- is that they aren't afraid to extensively touch on topics such as poverty, injustice, and disability.
Something that I've noticed about a subset of BLs/GLs (and really various romance shows/films in general) is that they sometimes dilute extreme angst and/or hardship in shows. Conflicts are resolved easier, without the messiness and angstiness of what would happen in real life. In addition, sometimes works choose not to cover certain "messy" topics- instead smoothing things over (i.e. the wealth gap between rich and poor characters, and how that would substantially impact a relationship- rather than just one or two scenes that showcase it).
I don't mean to be too hard on media like this, as I know many people (including me) watch shows as an escape, so a complex breakdown of the systemic issues linked to poverty isn't always a good fit in shows (especially in what's supposed to be a lighthearted romantic drama). Rather, I think what I'm trying to say is that when the main focus of the story is on romance, aspects of the plot that would provide the most melodrama are occasionally toned down (or result a positive outcome, such as the villain apologizing and being forgiven). And since melodramas often have things to say about social, cultural, and political issues, this is an area may get "cut."
On the contrary, I feel like P'Aof isn't afraid to touch on these topics. I think this willingness to embrace serious issues (i.e. homophobia and religion in Ticket to Heaven), speaks to how his dramas always seem to carry with them unique "emotional truths"- they have something to say about intergenerational relationships, economic policy, disability, etc.
For me, this melodramatic potential- which is at the heart of P'Aof's work- translates into everything, including aspects of mise-en-scène. For P'Aof, "color, lighting, and decor...[become] absolutely "fundamental and integral elements in the construction of meaning" (pg. 173).
To return to discussing Moonlight Chicken more in-depth, one example of this idea is the collage of pictures hanging on the back wall of Wen's apartment. Like with the medals in Ali: Fear that Heaven Allows, it looms in the background far before being acknowledged by the main characters. Once you realize that Wen is still hanging onto photos of his ex, conflict between Wen and Jim seems inevitable.
This brings me to one of my favorite shots from the show, and possibly one of my favorite reveals of all time.
In episode 5, Li Ming heads into Heart's room to help comfort him after a particularly upsetting argument with his parents.
As Li Ming hugs him, the camera mostly faces the characters' front or side profiles, but then a switch happens. The camera suddenly begins to shoot from behind them, altering the viewers' point-of-view. Now we can see what P'Aof was so careful to have hidden from us- a mound of sticky notes covering the wall of Heart's room.
They're notes from his parents, who refuse to learn sign language. Writing is one of the only ways that he can communicate with them.
There's some other telling aspects of mise-en-scène, too. Against the back wall is a picture of himself as a kid, alone. There's a keyboard that he is either is no longer able to use, or that he might have trouble using.
Attached to the wall is a sign-language poster, and a word cloud filled with words such as "interaction," "language," "body," "people," "social." From looking at this side of his room, it's clear how isolated Heart feels, and how desperately he wants to connect with his parents.
P'Aof was careful not to reveal this part of Heart's room until after this particular moment- he wanted to underscore the severity of the divide between Heart and his parents. If it wasn't clear earlier, it becomes clear now that the conflict between them can't easily be solved.
In this scene, the only warm light comes from Li Ming's corner. In the mirror shot, it's revealed that the light forms a line that connects to Heart's head, visually representing the relationship between the both of them.
On top of that, Rath and P'Aof switch from a more balanced color palette to one drenched in shades of blue.
Rath is really fantastic at things like this- as @respectthepetty notes, he often uses lighting to hint at the emotional atmosphere of the scene, rather than just the characters' wardrobe. This is something that's characteristic of his work- you can see more examples of this in non-P'Aof productions here.
This use of color extends into the argument scene. Heart's mother's face is constantly shaded in darkness, as blue turns into black. One of the only light sources in the room comes from the staircase- Heart's only method of escape.
There's a lot more to say about lighting and framing in this scene- @telomeke notes that by using isolated close-ups of Heart and his parents, P'Aof almost makes it feel like they're talking into the void.
When we finally get a wide shot, it reveals that there's a blue accent wall next to the staircase, which stands in direct contrast to the white colors of the kitchen. By positioning Heart's parents on one half of the divide (and/or only slightly past it), P'Aof emphasizes the separation between all of the family members.
Something else of note is how in episode 1, when we visited Heart's family's house for the second time, the environment was lit completely differently. It still has a blue tinge, which speaks to Heart's feelings of sadness, but the color isn't quite as intense. There's a gloominess, a seriousness to this conversation that's reflected in the lighting- the atmosphere in the room feels depressing.
There's a lot of ways to interpret this color change. First, it allows the viewers to possibly come to conclusions about Heart- that because he isn't able to speak up and because he's sitting next to his parents (thus seeming like a unit), he agrees with their views and is similarly mean. These expectations are subverted when we learn more about Heart and his family's situation.
Second, when Li Ming visits the house for the first time, we return back to the blue/yellow color scheme. Throughout the show, one of the core themes is opposites- characters like Jim and Wen as well as Jim and Li Ming are positioned as direct opposites from each other (@respectthepetty). Thus, contrasting colors like blue and yellow/orange often stand in for or represent different characters.
When Li Ming first enters the house and tries to drop off the delivery at night, these blue/yellow colors are prominent. In the morning, they're suppressed by Heart's parents. Night is a freeing time for so many of the characters in the series- Heart and Li Ming, for instance, are only able to venture out on the motorcycle to explore at night.
In the morning during the argument scene, Jim is the only "warmth" in the room- the only one wearing a brightly colored shirt. Jim attempts to support Li Ming's side of the story, but ultimately fails to exonerate him since there's no evidence. The power imbalance between Jim and Heart's family means that Li Ming will never be able to "win"- he'll always have to give into their demands. This overbearing, oppressive feeling strips the room of almost any warmth.
In contrast, at night (and while the parents aren't home), Heart and Li Ming feel more free- they're more able to show aspects of their personality and be themselves.
Lastly, one could argue that this difference in lighting indicates how the show's domestic conflict hasn't quite reached its peak. There's a growing feeling of tension, as well as a sense of distance between the characters- almost like a facade of a "perfect family" that Heart's parents are trying to put on. We often get more saturated colors such as blue and yellow during moments of proximity or extreme melodrama (I'll come back to this idea later).
In comparison to Heart's house, Jim's house is more brightly lit and warm. It has less of an oppressive, overbearing feel. The blue/yellow colors here (as well as framing), are used to represent the "oppositeness" of the characters, as well as the divide between them.
So much could be said about color in P'Aof's and Rath's work(s)- enough for another extensive post- but I wanted to point this out because these examples are somewhat similar to how Sirk utilizes color in his films.
During the television scene in All that Heaven Allows, Sirk brings back the color red to indicate themes of conflict and desire. For both directors, color takes on additional social-political meaning within the context of the story- @telomeke touches on how the yellow/red colors in Moonlight Chicken can be connected to the ideology of different political parties, as well as issues related to class.
In addition, you might notice that Sirk plays with lighting a little; twisting the color of Cary's reflection in the tv screen. The golden glow of the family gathering fades when she studies herself in the reflection, which is such a beautiful detail.
Haynes once observed that,
"What’s beautiful about Sirk['s work] is that every frame is a complementary palette. Every single scene, regardless if it’s happy or sad, plays with an interaction of warm and cool colors. It’s so powerful."
Similarly, aside from conflict-driven scenes, P'Aof consistently embraces a warm-cool color palette. Like with Sirk, this allows the feeling of melodrama to linger within the visual language of the work itself- a constant reminder of how everything within the series is bittersweet. Just as the color scheme of the series is in flux, so too is its "emotional temperature" (pg. 181).
Aside from color, another similarity between All that Heaven Allows and Moonlight Chicken the "revelatory" nature of certain scenes. Like the television scene, the sticky-note scene is a revelatory moment that allows us to gain more insight into the characters' minds (and thus imagine what Li Ming and Heart might be thinking and feeling).
The notes on the wall also translate character into action, as they're both the explanation and the impetus for what Heart has done (and what he might do next). In this way, objects are given additional, more complex meanings.
This is one of P'Aof's strengths as a director. @waitmyturtles observes that P'Aof has "a genius of showing many facets to the same [person]...he [often] critically shies away from singular or dualistic interpretations of his dear characters." So many moments throughout Moonlight Chicken are key examples of this- they prompt different reevaluations of the same characters.
For instance, the presence of the keyboard in Heart's room raises questions- why does he have it? Is he hanging onto something that he already had before he became deaf? (I can relate, as although I'm not deaf, I too hold onto things that I used to be able to use pre-disability lol.) Was music previously one of his passions, making dealing with aspects of disability even more challenging?
Or is it more likely that he acquired it more recently? During episode 4, when Heart and Li Ming visited the church, a piano player was present. Is it possible that Heart bought the keyboard after the visit, in order to see if he could similarly sense/feel the vibrations produced by playing music- this time experimenting on his own?
Or did P'Aof intend it as more of a callback/reference to the visit itself (and the impact that it, as well as his relationship with Li Ming, has had on him)?
Since the keyboard isn't revealed until episode 5, any of these interpretations are possible. Such an object refuses only one specific perspective.
Before I move on to covering some of P'Aof's other works, one last thing of note is how the sticky note scene happens towards the end of episode 5. At the beginning of the episode, we spent some time with Wen, exploring his past relationship as well as re-living moments where he put photos of him and his ex up on the wall.
By bookending the episode between these two scenes, P'Aof is also drawing parallels between Wen and Heart, and the way they feel stuck in both relationships. It's a clever use of storytelling that, on top of all of these smaller details, makes me love this episode even more.
P'Aof and the Family Melodrama
Less so with A Tale of Thousand Stars, but more so with Bad Buddy, Last Twilight, and Ticket to Heaven, a recurring theme in P'Aof's work has been conflict within families.
Elsaesser writes that the family melodrama:
"more often records the failure of the protagonist to act in a way that could shape events and influence the emotional environment, let alone change the stifling social milieu. The world is closed, and the characters are acted upon. Melodrama confers on them a negative identity through suffering... (pg. 177)
Characters like Jim and Heart are shaped by their experiences with disability and poverty. The systemic nature of so many problems discussed in the show, such the impact of economic policies on restaurant owners (see @waitmyturtles' amazing post for more details), means that the main characters will "fail" to fully solve these issues.
In addition, Elsaesser observes that, in the domestic melodrama,
"the social pressures are such, the frame of respectability so sharply defined that the range of 'strong' actions is limited. The tellingly impotent gesture, the social gaffe, the hysterical outburst replaces any more directly liberating or self-annihilating action...
The dramatic configuration, the pattern of the plot, makes [the characters]...constantly look inwards, at themselves and others...In Sirk, of course, they are locked into a universe of real and metaphoric mirrors" (pg. 177)
We can see these patterns play out in P'Aof's work, as well. In Last Twilight and Moonlight Chicken, the characters are so boxed-in and restricted that even leaving the house becomes an act of resistance. (Note how, post-argument, Heart runs back up to his room instead of exiting the house/going out the front door).
The face-to-face confrontations in Moonlight Chicken evoke introspection- when is it time to move on? Can generational differences and/or differences in wealth stand in the way of a relationship? Are Jim and Wen fundamentally "too different" to be together?
Aside from the sticky note scene, mirrors also surface in episode two of Ticket to Heaven during a moment where the main character, Tanrak, feels stuck and detached from the rest of his community. As much as mirrors are revealing in P'Aof's work, they can also feel endlessly restrictive.
This mirror scene also fits in with what Elsaesser calls the "intensified symbolism of everyday actions" (pg. 178). This is where the significance of an ordinary gesture, such as Jim and Li Ming both tickling their partners' chin (observed by @telomeke), becomes heightened (thus signifying the similarities between both of them in an intergenerational gesture).
In addition, aspects of a melodrama's setting and decor help reveal characters' emotional and psychological turmoil, as I've touched on earlier.
As much as Moonlight Chicken really maps onto the way Elsaesser conceptualizes the category of a melodrama, there's one interesting way it does not.
Some directors, such as Fassbinder, embrace plots which have almost circular endings and/or pattern(s). For instance, at the end of Ali: Fear Eats the Soul, we discover that Ali has been sent to the hospital. The doctor diagnoses him with a stomach ulcer, which he notes is common among foreign workers due to the high levels of stress that they experience.
The ulcer can be removed, but because Ali must continue working (both him and Emmi are working class- not rich by any means), it seems inevitable that the ulcer will return, and Ali will have to go through the same thing over and over again.
If not cyclical, sometimes melodramas have neutral or slightly negative endings, mimicking the reality of life.
P'Aof's works, on the other hand, pretty much always have happy endings where the characters end up together. Aside from embracing aspects of queer joy/perseverance, this is one way that his series borrow from the anti-melodramatic format of some BLs.
Curiously, though, one could also observe that the predicament P'Aof in is very similar to Sirk's.
In the past, Sirk talked about being constrained by the Hays Code and the studio system, noting that:
“At least I was allowed to work on the material—so that I restructured to some extent some of the rather impossible scripts of the films I had to direct. Of course, I had to go by the rules, avoid experiments, stick to family fare, have ‘happy endings,’ and so on. Universal didn’t interfere with either my camera work or my cutting—which meant a lot to me.”
One could argue that, to a certain extent, GMMTV works and BLs/GLs are also limited by the need for a happy ending. Series require funding, so it's more ideal for the company if the characters end up together. Thus, Moonlight Chicken ends optimistically, even if a slightly different ending might've been more "realistic."
However, film scholar Laura Mulvey also observes that, although "All That Heaven Allows...[has] a happy ending, its 'happiness' is twisted with more than a touch of Sirkian irony."
Somewhat similarly, throughout his works P'Aof sometimes avoids a truly "perfect" ending. For instance, Jim still perseveres by starting a food truck business, but he loses his restaurant. In the final episode of many of his shows, his characters often initially don't get everything they want.
I think Moonlight Chicken, as well as other works such as Gelboys and Clairebell, are so fascinating for this reason- they straddle different genres, conventions, and expectations. In some ways, Moonlight Chicken has more in common to 50s melodramas such as All that Heaven Allows than it does to shows like My Love Mix-Up!, which is kind of crazy to think about.
Before I end the post, there's one more observation about melodramas that I think might be interesting to bring up.
For Haynes,
"the most amazing melodramas are the ones where when a person makes a tiny step toward fulfilling a desire that their social role is built to discourage, they end up hurting everybody else. It’s like a chess game of pain, a ricochet effect where everybody gets hurt but there’s nobody to blame.”
In P'Aof's works, these bullets frequently ricochet, impacting everyone- Heart receiving a minor injury after leaving the house becomes a slight against his parents for "not asking for permission," Tanrak accidentally being locked outside with Barth becomes inexcusable for "not calling for help" and "not following the rules." A minor act of rebellion unintentionally hurts everyone around them, as "family members" (parents, church leaders) are filled with stress and concern.
In these types of melodramas, the smallest actions and the tiniest objects- sticky notes, pressed flowers, a keyboard, a bag of roti- become stand-ins for larger, more all-consuming problems.
If, as Sirk, Fassbender, and Haynes all note, “You can’t make films about things, you can only make films with things," then objects have the potential to become deeply revealing elements of a story.
End Notes
Thanks for reading! This post was super film-theory driven, so it was kind of fun to write- it was nice to revisit stuff that I learned a while ago when I was in uni.
Hopefully I explained Elsaesser's ideas well- I tried to make them as easy to understand as possible, but since I don't have a proofreader I have no one to cross-check that with lol.
Elsaesser is really coming at this from an American '50s and '60s media perspective, but I thought that his ideas were unexpectedly a good fit for P'Aof's works- it maps onto them super well. Because I'm extending his theory a bit not everything might fit/be applicable (he's thinking mostly about Western media), but I thought that it might be interesting to try since cross-cultural connections have happened.
In addition, there's an interesting connection between lakorns and the idea of melodrama. The Drama Wiki notes lakorns' similarities to Hispanic telenovelas in that they prioritize emotional involvement over "following the story rationally." I feel like some of these older American melodramas are the same in that emotions become a key component (almost the purpose) of the story. This is another reason why I feel like it might be applicable to extend Elsaesser's theory, as P'Aof is probably familiar with different elements/structural patterns of lakorns and lakorn-series hybrids.
Aside from other aspects of production, I would be curious to learn more about Rath's background, too, as well as what inspired his distinct style. There's also such a big change in his usage of colored lighting between A Tale of Thousand Stars (2021) and Never Let Me Go (2023). I couldn't find any English interviews with him about his work, so please let me know if I missed something!
New write-up out today! It's on melodrama in Moonlight Chicken, and should be out sometime in the next few hours
My chronic illness has been kicking me in the ass recently, so my writing output has really slowed down. However, I still wanted to get something out by the end of pride month, so I'll happy I managed to achieve that goal :)
Happy Pride everyone- I hope that everyone's having a wonderful June ❤️ 🏳️🌈
The worst part was that tanrak got found out anyway. He burnt all the letters, the silly innocent notes, the first flowers of his first love. He burnt all the evidence to protect himself and the boy he loved, betrayed the softest parts of himself, and yet, got caught anyway 😭
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Hi, friends! It's been a little while, but I wanted to share some film discoveries that I've made recently.
Over the last year or so, I've been intermittently working on two mega projects on MDL- one of which is tracking down films/shows with sapphic content that aired pre-GAP, and the other is creating/updating pages for queer Singaporean media. Recently, I came across some more obscure Thai short films while working on the latter, which was such an unexpected surprise! So, I wanted to share some info about some of them.
Unfortunately, not all of these films have the best subs (some of them can be a little janky at times). I also shortened/edited some of the summaries.
I Want To... (2016)
In a psychology interview, Pin and Pie, two girls that used to be friends, reveal their complicated relationship.
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Happy New Year (2017)
Bua is confused about her relationship with Nam. At the same time, she finds out her parent's secret during the last day of the year.
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The Birds from the Sun (2018)
Jennis is a lesbian who is in love with her friend Mind, but their love seems impossible because she wants to build a family of her own.
(I will provide some spoilers about this film under the cut so that everyone can make a better decision about whether they're comfortable watching it or not.)
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Lakota (2015)
(The rest of the films have sapphic characters, so this is the only BL entry on the list)
After his grandma dies, Poom comes back to stay with his family, even though it's been a while since he's been home. His unfamiliar feeling for his own family makes him hang out with Kong, his only friend there. With his mind full of past memories, it makes it hard for Poom to stay in the present.
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Spoilers for The Birds from the Sun:
The main character ends up dating a guy (which is why aspects of the summary seems a little problematic). However, it's implied/could be interpreted that she still has feelings for her female friend.
What are you doing? Keeping watch over you. I'll stay here until I get an answer. You really don't give up, do you? I'm not usually this persistent, you know. Just answer me. I really want to know. I'm not answering because I really don't have an answer.
“Were you waiting for me? No. Hey, wait. When you said you were wavering, is that all it is? Well, how could I feel anything more than that, Barth? Can’t you just let it happen? Let it go even further? Barth. You know what? When I’m near you, I can’t control myself. But are you happy? Yeah. Barth. Barth. Barth. Why are you calling me so loud? I’m right here. I’m not going anywhere. Thank you.”
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Nowadays, especially with more and more GL series being made, I've found that there are some older pairs that don't always get talked about as much. One of these are Nan and Hongyok, who played the second couple in the 2015 film Yes or No 2.5.
Nan and Hongyok are fascinating because although they only starred in one official project together, they actually have a much longer history- becoming a khu jin way before they even entered the GL industry. Thus, they're one of the first GL pairs to take an "outside in" approach to Y films/series (entering into the industry with an already preexisting ship/pairing, kind of like DaouOffroad or Englot).
As a result, I thought it would be fun to take a trip down memory lane to cover Nan and Hongyok's story, as well as how they became such a popular ship.
I should make a quick disclaimer before I start that I wasn't around or part of the community back during the early 2010s, so this post may accidentally miss out on some details, or make some minor mistakes. But, overall, I tried my best to cover everything as comprehensively as possible.
Also, it's important to note that this post will discuss some things related to IRL forms of shipping.
Background
Nan and Hongyok met on the tenth season of the show Academy Fantasia, which started airing on June 24, 2013.
I would best describe Academy Fantasia as a mix of a survival show and a reality tv show like Big Brother. Similarly to a survival show, AF is structured mainly as a singing competition.
Prospective contestants attend in person auditions or submit online clips, hoping to be accepted onto the show. In Nan and Hongyok's season, a total of 24 people competed, with one person being eliminated every week until 12 people remained. These last 12 made it to the grand final of the show, where a winner would be selected.
Week 8's live concert
In terms of the structure of AF, each week contestants are assigned songs to perform. They attend vocal classes, acting classes, and dance classes, eventually leading up to a live concert on Saturday or Sunday.
For the first nine weeks of the show, contestants were split into two teams, each composed of 12 people. The winning team (selected by the judges) was safe, while a person from the losing team would be eliminated. This was determined by contestants that had the lowest number of votes from viewers. By week ten, the teams were eliminated, and everyone competed independently.
Although AF has some similarities to the structure of different survival shows (singing competitions, voting, etc), it was also very unique.
Like Big Brother, the show was presented in a 24 hour live format, which was broadcasted all day long. Fans could watch the contestants both on the tv and online through live feeds. In addition, like BB, the participants all lived in the same house together. However, they were not totally isolated from the outside world (they could interact with vocal coaches/trainers, or get to see fans while onstage).
AF and Shipping
Source: Kim__Li
Something that's interesting about early reality shows is that Nan and Hongyok weren't the only queer ship to be formed there.
Here's what some posters have written about the intersection between AF and the Y industry, as well as its history of shipping:
The Love of Siam's intersection of the teen flick, gay, and Y genres would greatly influence its successors, though the effect wouldn't be immediately seen, as no major works in the genre directly followed. The attention of Y fandoms went back to focusing on shipping idols, which now expanded to contestants in the competing reality music competitions The Star and Academy Fantasia.
(Reddit)
In its earliest days during the 2000s...the boys-love genre mainly existed in the form of fan-fiction and its similar equivalence circulated primarily through online forums, such as Dek-D.com. Often, fans of boys group at the time, such as TVXQ and Super Junior, would imagine their admired male band members being a couple with one another, or in vernacular term, they would ‘ship’ the members with one another. This earlier phase of boys-love genre in Thailand is important to mention, as it encapsulates the general “spirit” of boys-love movement, which, according to Prasannam (2019), can be described as “spirit of playful appropriation”, wherein conventional entertainment medias would be appropriated by fans in the genre and modified to fit into the boys-love narrative. This enables a crucial ‘interaction between fandom and industry’, whereby the industry would also cater to the fantasy input from the fandom, as can, for example, be seen during the launch of a Thai reality show Academy Fantasia (AF) in 2004 starring aspiring idols, where some of the idols were also romantically paired up by the network as BL couples or, as known in Thai, khu Y (คู่วาย).
(Thailand Foundation)
Beside AF, other early queer reality show CPs included Oh Anuchit and Fluke Thammon from The Star, who were a side couple in the lakorn Proong Nee Gor Ruk Ter (Tomorrow I'll Still Love You), which aired in 2009 (shoutout to Claire for providing this info, plus sending me a clip from one one of their early fan meetings).
Overall, I think the structure of reality shows (such as AF or The Star) really encourage fan interactions that culminate in shipping.
Both survival shows and 24 hour live shows typically cultivate large online audiences. Through voting, fan interactions, or attending concerts/the recording of different elimination episodes, fans are motivated to become invested in the participants. If you watch a show like Big Brother, part of the appeal of its live nature (aside from getting to see the scheming going on, or having something that you're always able to watch/throw on in the background), is that you're able to see different relationships unfold. You can accidentally catch funny or cute moments between the castmates, or see people slowly become friends.
By combing the format of both shows together- especially ones that naturally encourage a lot of investment between the contestants and the audience- I think it's no surprise why shipping might become particularly popular within this kind of environment.
Nan and Hongyok in AF
Source: Pantip
Now that I've covered some background information about the show, let's talk about Nan and Hongyok, as well as some context surrounding the formation of their relationship.
Both of them were aspiring singers. Nan (her name is sometimes also spelled "Nann," but I'll use the former for more consistency) was 22 years old at the time of filming, and had already played some minor roles in different tv productions (such as Sadtree Tee Lok Luerm (2007) and Mook Liam Petch (2012)), while Hongyok was 20.
Interesting, although they were initially put on different teams, they both ended up making it to the final- where Nan placed 6th and Hongyok placed 9th.
Source: YONFamilyClub
In terms of shipping, Nan and Hongyok's pairing grew out of many different interactions they had on the show- a form of IRL shipping that later led them towards the Y-industry.
I think from an outside perspective it might be easy to brush some of aspects of this off, as shipping sometimes occurs in real life between people who are just friends.
However, although it can be really tough to categorize Nan and Hongyok's relationship, after watching a bunch of clips I can say that I definitely see (at least to a certain extent) where shippers were coming from. It's clear that they had a very different relationship with each other compared to other contestants.
To give some more context, they could be super affectionate and playful with each other. Nan was able to do a really good impression of Hongyok, the type that's only produced by knowing someone for a long period of time or studying their face a lot.
At one point in the show, before going to bed, they were both mad at each other, but they made up in the middle of the night and ended up holding hands under the blanket. At other points in time, Hongyok called Nan cute, and talked about how much she missed her while she was away from the house.
To viewers, it's likely that it was a lot of small, intimate moments like this that added up over time, and contributed their ship becoming popular.
Kru Noom, one of the trainers, teasing Nan and Hongyok
However, what's interesting was that shipping Nan and Hongyok wasn't only limited to fans- other people on AF sometimes teased them about their relationship with each other. For instance, on the show, Nan once commented that she "like[d] Hongyok the most, seriously." Another one of the contestants, Mook, jumped in, responding that:
Mook: Oh, so you like Hongyok?
Hern Fah: How do you like her?
Tang Thai: Oh, really?
Nan: I like to imitate her.
(sound from the other contestants)
Tung Beer: I don't think so.
Mook: What did you just say?... You just said what you like the most?
Nan: I like Hongyok the most, like Hongyok the most. I focus correctly.
(there's so many moments like this that you can find throughout the show. For instance, one of the participants, Tuey, once joked that if "[people] didn't have a clue [about NHY], then why did it become the talk of the town?." Even aside from Tuey, some of the acting/singing teachers sometimes got in on it, too, such as when they asked Nan and Hongyok to act out a proposal scene.)
During an interview at a film festival, Tina, one of the leads of Yes or No 1 and Yes or No 2.5 also teased Nan and Hongyok, saying that, "in the movie [Hongyok] likes Nan. In fact, she also likes Nan [implied to be outside of the film as well]."
Hongyok and Mook's conversation
I think what's tough about Nan and Hongyok is that they seemed to have a bit of a more ambiguous relationship, especially in terms of the way they defined it/explained it at times.
On one hand, you have some clips from their time both inside and outside the show, where they seem to talk about each other in a more romantic way.
For instance, during week seven of AF, Hongyok had a couple of interesting conversations that suggests that something might have been going on.
Conversation #1:
Hongyok: If everything goes on like this...what should I do when I'm out of the house? It's kind of like...if we were out, will we have any arguments or not?
Mook: Go separately...you mean.
Hongyok: I don't know. I feel like I...
Mook: Confused?
Hongyok: No, I'm not.
Mook: You know who you gonna be with, but don't know what you should do now?
Hongyok: Hmm...
Mook: I had this feeling a long time ago. Kind of like couldn't do that, couldn't make up your mind, right?
Hongyok: As we're treating each other like this now...when wanna kiss the cheek...hmm....
Mook: So you should talk to each other.
Hongyok: Already did.
Mook: You did and what did she say?
Hongyok: We should focus on singing for now...
Mook: Don't want to let it exceed your expectations.
Hongyok: I can't stop it. First, I think I'll stop at 50 something, but now it is like...
Mook: 80 now
Hongyok: Whatever I do, I'll think of her.
Conversation #2:
Nan: Sing again...want you to know...again
Hongyok: What?
Nan: Want you to know...what?
Hongyok: Want you to know I love you
Nan: Want you to know I love you, right?
(They practices the chorus verse of this song)
(a little while later)
Hongyok: I think...my feelings have exceeded what I had expected. What should I do? I've begun to lose my concentration...Mook can't give me any answer or help me...She told me that she doesn't know and...[that] I should keep trying.
Nan: What's keep trying? What is it?...
Hongyok: I don't know. I just asked her whether I should step back or not? Or do something else. I don't know what to do. So I'll just keep going on. That's all.
During the second conversation, there's a moment around 4:16 where both of them aren't totally visible on camera. Some people think that they might have kissed, as there's a pause in the conversation and a kissing noise that can be heard in the clip.
Outside the show, there's also some other moments that are a little bit more romance-coded. As a lead in to a couple performance, there's a clip where Nan and Hongyok discuss how many different people have questioned the nature of their relationship, and how they'll answer them with a song. The song they end up singing has romantic lyrics, and talks about "not telling anyone how we feel about each other...because I want to keep it between us."
On the other hand, however, both of them have given more neutral/ambiguous responses at times, or even clarified how they're just friends. In response to a fan question about their relationship in 2015, Hongyok wrote, "Ummm...Every relationship status [is] based on real friendship ~ even [despite] what status we're in, we take care of each other :)."
During another 2015 interview, Nan clarified that their relationship was just "phi-nong." From what I've seen some people say, I seems like this was usually their go-to answer when asked to specifically define their relationship (even back during their AF days).
However, in an interview from 2014, Nan somewhat complicated this label. After calling themselves friends, she stated that she was aware that fans wanted them to be an item, and that it was "normal for khu jin." In terms of their relationship, she noted, "we have to wait and see because we don't know our future yet." In response to another question, her answer was similarly a little vague.
Nan's 2014 interview
I think the important thing here is to try to do three different things: to acknowledge that this situation is complicated, to be respectful of their relationship (whatever it may be), and recognize that there might not be one specific answer.
I struggled a lot while writing this section, especially as I felt it was hard to explain the context behind Nan and Hongyok's relationship without veering too much into territory that might feel a little speculative or overly intimate. So, in general, I really want to avoid passing any judgement, or coming to any definitive conclusions about the nature of their relationship. Instead, throughout this section I've tried to take a more nuanced approach.
It's worth noting that back in the day, a decent portion of fans thought that they might have been dating and/or had a crush on each other (which I don't blame them for, it's not a totally unreasonable conclusion to come to lol).
However, especially coming in from a 2025 perspective, I think it's important to be super careful. There may be many assumptions (especially by outsiders), that turn out to be true, but it's also good to recognize that there may be many that are false.
In general, I feel like things can be complicated. Humans are complex and messy and there might not be one definitive answer, or several partial ones. In addition, back in 2013, there likely weren't as many people in the entertainment industry who were out compared to the number of those that are today. If Hongyok and Nan were dating, they have might faced some career repercussions, harassment, or public backlash, such as those that current or former QL actors have sometimes dealt with. (In addition, based on one of the clips I saw, Hongyok might have had a boyfriend before entering the show, which would have made the relationship between her and Nan even more complicated. However, I'm not totally sure if they were joking/teasing each other/being a bit unserious during this moment or not)
Source: Alchetron
To complicate things even further, I think another really important thing to discuss is age, as well as the transition that Nan and Hongyok went through between young reality tv show contestants, and more established public figures who were really active, aware participants in their own ship.
Both Nan and Hongyok were in their early 20s when they were cast on the show- 20 and 22- while the youngest contestants on their season were 16. Starting in season seven, AF changed the age requirement and began admitting people as young as 15.
I know that survival shows will often include minors/younger participants, but in terms of 24 hour live shows like Big Brother, the cast members usually skew a little bit older. The American version of BB, for instance, currently has an age requirement of 21 (this likely for alcohol/drinking age reasons, but I think it's a good policy regardless).
Based on what houseguests have said in the past, I think appearing on the livefeeds/being filmed 24/7 can definitely be a really mentally exhausting experience. And this isn't even to mention the added pressure of AF also being a singing competition, and requiring contestants to have to learn a song well enough to perform it on stage each week.
I think Nan and Hongyok, especially as young adults, might've felt additional pressure while trying to navigate their relationship, all with the knowledge that it was being filmed. Trying to deal with a sense of confusion or uncertainty at times might've been really difficult, especially when having little-to-no privacy (during week 7, they even received a minor punishment for trying to cover up/conceal a conversation).
I don't want to necessarily speak for them (especially as I haven't come across any clips so far of them being critical of AF), but I want people to keep in mind that aspects of their journey could've be really challenging.
Nan and Hongyok hold hands during a performance on stage
On the other hand, however, it's important to also note that they weren't opposed to being shipped- Nan and Hongyok were both active participants in forming a CP. For instance, they talked about how they liked being able to work together. Hongyok was happy to answer questions related to Nan during a solo session on Weibo. They were definitely aware of what they were doing by performing romantic songs together during their concert, or holding hands together on stage.
So it's not right to discount their sense of agency either, and say that they had no choice or options in terms of what was going on.
I think Nan and Hongyok's situation sits directly at the intersection between the personal and the commercial (in terms of the way that ships/khu jin can be commercialized). In a sense, I think this makes them really tough to talk about.
In the current QL industry, if a pair starts dating or has a really big argument, we usually find that fact out later. We don't see their first off-screen kiss, or the deeply personal apologies that they give each other. But on a reality show like AF (especially one which is livestreamed 24/7), you do see all those things- those moments of uncertainty that feel maybe too intimate to be shown.
As a result, especially when discussing Nan and Hongyok, it's more challenging to draw a clear line in the sand between the personal and the public. There's such a dichotomy there initially between young reality show contestants, and later, more experienced CP figures that it's difficult to grasp which is the right way to talk about them.
Is it best to talk about them just as a CP or to focus on the business side of things, while ignoring the whole personal side of the equation? What's the right approach?
AF Contestants discuss the meaning of NHY signs
I think that given that Nan and Hongyok were apparently aware of stuff like fan-made LED NHY signs while AF was going on, I believe they knew (at least to a certain extent) about the shipping that was going on in the outside world. And I don't think they were 100% opposed to it- during a clip from week 9, Hongyok was happy to chant/joke about "NHY." (there are also signs that they may have been aware of previous contestants' experiences with shipping, as there's in interview where they discuss the point at which in the show that CP signs start showing up in the crowd [usually later in the season]. However, this may have also been something they learned on their own from their own experience).
As a result, because of that, I think it's worthwhile to discuss their relationship in terms of the dual nature of the personal and the commercial- all while trying to strike a middle ground in between (as to not be too distanced/unbalanced about either approach on each side).
I've talked about the personal so far, so now it's time to transition to covering their work post-AF as a CP.
Intermission
Source: BowlingBoice
After leaving AF, Nan and Hongyok worked on several different projects. They each had some solo concerts/events, and as well as some AF-related stuff (when AF was going on, they regularly hosted reunion concerts that would bring back many of the contestants that appeared on the show).
However, aside events related to the show, Nan and Hongyok also did promo together briefly- mostly around 2013 to 2015- which corresponds to the same time period as the release of Yes or No 2.5.
Yes or No 2.5
Source: NanHongyok
I've discussed some of ComeOn Sweet's amazing decision making in the past, but I think their choice to cast Nan and Hongyok as the second couple in Yes or No 2.5 was incredibly smart.
Getting the two of them would bring in an entirely new audience, thus allowing the film to appeal to two different groups of fans (both Tina's and NHY's) who would be able to support the project from day one.
In addition, like prior pairings included in the Yes or No films, Nan and Hongyok were a tom/dee couple, which mapped onto a lot of depictions of sapphic relationships in media at the time (re: see films like Do-nut [2011] or Fingering ]2013]).
I think an additional factor why Nan and Hongyok were chosen is that ComeOn Sweet had expressed the desire to produce even more films in the Yes or No series (Yes or No 3, 4, etc). At this point, the plot of 2.5 (and likely future films) was very different than that of the first two (to clarify, they don't exist in the same universe, and 2.5 isn't a sequel).
In a post on Weibo, ComeOn Sweet explained that they continued using the same name despite different stories/universes because they had a "deep affection for it" (it might be worth noting as well that franchise films and/or certain film IPs can end up being super profitable, so that may have been a motive here as well).
I think that, in an ideal world, ComeOn Sweet could have used Nan and Hongyok's appearance in 2.5 to springboard them into a role as leads in Yes or No 3 (especially if Tina didn't want to come back for whatever reason). But unfortunately, Yes or No 3 didn't end up happening, so this is just up to speculation.
I have a few theories as to why this might be the case.
#1: Bad Box Office Performance
I'm not able to get the full stats on how much money both of the films earned, but according to box office data from IMDb, Yes or No 2 made (at least) a gross $843,210 after its release. On the other hand, 2.5 made $156,856.
It's likely that 2.5 wasn't financially successful enough to produce a sequel/another film with the same name, so Yes or No 3 never happened.
#2: Actor Involvement
Another possible reason is that the four lead actors simply weren't interested in coming back. I find this explanation a little bit less likely, as in a 2015 interview Nan indicted that she was willing to work with Hongyok again, but there's also a chance this might be the case.
#3: Different Agencies
Besides monetary issues, I think another key reason was that Nan and Hongyok ended up being signed to different agencies.
The Wikipedia page for AF notes that the show's 12 finalists sign an artist contract with True Fantasia, but this must have not been a super long term agreement, as by at least 2015 Nan and Hongyok were a part of different companies.
In the same interview mentioned earlier, Nan discussed the difficulty of working together:
Nan: We have our own separate work. The thing is since we're in different companies now and our work is different so for us to be able to meet and work together is pretty difficult. Like our AF reunion meeting, we can't make it because everyone is very busy.
Reporter: [inaudible] so there's no opportunities for you both to work together.
Nan: Actually, there [was/is] but our time is incompatible. Just in my case, I'm filming a drama every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. So for example if we're going to set up a fanmeeting, and if it's on the weekend, then I can't since I have drama filming. I think after I'm done filming then there'll be no permanent work on weekend. There will be more opportunities to work together with her.
I think that if this wasn't the case, then there may have been the chance that Nan and Hongyok worked on more projects together, or even became more of a long term couple within the industry (company disputes or differences have honestly killed so many different pairs).
Joint Concert, Events, and Fandom Makeup
Source: NanHongyok
Now that we've finished covering Yes or No, I wanted to take a brief moment to talk some stuff related to the fandom, which I've kind of neglected to discuss until now.
Like with Tina and Aom's fan club, it can be really hard to get a good estimate of the number of people in the fandom. However, it similarly seems like there was at least a decent amount (some videos of them on Youtube have over 100k views).
Something that's really interesting is that in 2014, Nan and Hongyok were given the nickname "khu jin inter" or "international khu jin," because they had a large international fanclub. According to them, fans came from places such as China, Indonesia, and the Philippines, as well as English-speaking countries.
Fans were also dedicated- they had signs and personalized lightsticks. In the early days, some of them were too impatient to wait for an official t-shirt to be released by the Thai fan club, so they made their own first. They were also excited to pay for a ticket for a fan trip to Pattaya with Nan and Hongyok- it completely sold out.
Fan-made signs and lightsticks
At times, looking back at all this stuff can be a little bit hard because if Nan and Hongyok wanted to continue to work together (or if they fully had the opportunity to), I think there's a chance that they could've been really successful.
Obviously, it would've depended on what they were comfortable with (especially given that a lot more of their personal life was intertwined than most other ships), but I think if they were catapulted into 2025 and given a more standard series of promotions (or even multiple acting jobs together), I think that they might've managed to go very far. Not all actors/pairs can build an international fanbase even before the premiere of their first project, so looking back on what could have been can be a little bit challenging sometimes.
Nan and Honyok performing together at their couple concert
2014-2015 truly were Nan and Hongyok's peak- not only did Yes or No 2.5 come out, but there was still a decent amount of couple content being released.
In 2014, they had a concert together- "NHY: Journey of Us," which came with some fun performances as well as VTRs showcasing their relationship that was complete with some clips from their time on the show.
They attended official events together, including ones related to the premiere of Captain America and Ender's Game.
Nan's music video
In addition, with the release of an album in 2014 that featured covers from many different AF10 contestants, Nan and Hongyok appeared together in at least one music video. For Nan's rendition of the love song "Let it Be True," the mv featured a surprise love interest which was revealed to be a woman, not a man: Hongyok (guys, you seriously can't make this up)
Unfortunately, however, their momentum as a couple wouldn't last- going into the next few years, it quieted down and wasn't as strong.
Post Yes or No 2.5 Work
Nan and Hongyok at a reunion event in 2018
Because they were signed to different companies, after Yes or No 2.5 Nan and Hongyok gradually went in different directions. They each released songs and appeared in a few different dramas (including ones associated with True4U/TrueID, such as The Miracle [2020] and Wela Nai Kued Kaew [2015]). In 2016, Hongyok also served as a screenwriter for the drama Happiness.
It seems like as they moved on to solo work and had less direct interactions, the CP fanbase kind of shrunk. In addition, because they only worked together on one project, and because some aspects of AF made it harder to access (lack of official subs, etc), I think to a certain extent (at least in the English-speaking community) their ship has kind of faded into obscurity.
From what I've seen, though, I don't think they're on bad terms at all. In 2018, they reunited to perform together at an AF reunion event, much to the delight of old fans, and in 2022, Hongyok went to support Nan at one of her concerts.
In May, Hongyok also posted on Twitter to celebrate the anniversary of Yes or No 2.5, which turns ten years old this year.
Lastly, earlier this month, after a nine year hiatus, TrueVisions officially announced they're bringing AF back in 2026, and (for better or for worse) are planning on producing another season. While I have no idea how it'll go, there's a non-zero chance that another queer ship/CP might form on the show (the nature of history always repeating itself demands it).
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Thank you so much for reading! As always, let me know if anyone notices any mistakes or inaccuracies- I'm hopeful that there still might be some people hanging out on Tumblr who were around back when Nan and Hongyok were a thing :)
In terms of the translations that were used, I made some minor edits to fix spelling/grammar, but nothing major that would change the meaning of what was said.
Speaking of translations, I'm eternally grateful to the youtube channel Mantaray17 for translating so many different clips- it's not an understatement to say that this post wouldn't have be possible without them. Not only did they provide subs for so many moments that happened on the show, but they also translated interviews that Nan and Hongyok had with different reporters. In addition, they also organized all the clips into playlists that were super helpful/easy to access. All in all, I can't shout them out enough- if you're interested in Nan and Hongyok or AF at all, I would totally recommend giving some of their videos a watch.
I also wanted to give a quick shoutout to Ashley Norton's video on The Glee Project, which I watched while taking a break from working on this post. The Glee Project was also a reality show that cast contestants who were either teens or young adults, so her video prompted me go back and think through Nan and Hongyok's situation differently- especially compared to the way that I approached it before.
More posts about the Yes or No films/what was going on in the early-to-mid 2010s: evolutions in Thai GL from 2010 to 2024, Yes or No and marriage equality, & early Thai GL fan culture
More about the history of sapphic representation: Mhom Ped Sawan, director Claire Jirassaya, Club Friday Season 6: Changed, & The Root
edit: revised some info related to some other early cps/pairings
love how the structuring of this show has so far been 80% of the episode being hahahah funny funny little tidbits but overall harmless and then the last like 20 minutes of the ep is like being beaten with a fucking cross
If you're interested in Flat Girls, I wanted to let everyone know that it's actually the director/screenwriter's (Claire Jirassaya's) second major sapphic film!
In 2014, she directed That Day of the Month, which is similarly a coming-of-age work that focuses on the relationship between two twelfth-grade girls, Goy and Lee.
TDOTM is also notable because it's one of the first productions that Goy Arachaporn appeared in. She would go on to be involved with several different queer works, including serving as the screenwriter for I Told Sunset About You.
Claire's first film, Welcome Home, which she made in 2012 as a student filmmaker also includes some more minor queer themes, as well as (possibly) another 2012 release, She is My Best Friend (unfortunately it doesn't seem like this one is available online, so I'm not able to fully confirm).
In a 2015 interview, Claire said that,
"I’ve always felt that homosexuality is a natural thing, though I never intended it to be the focal point of my work...My first film, Welcome Home, was more about family relationships, though I added a touch of my own preferences.
Still, my film ended up being lauded for its portrayal of lesbian love, and it kind of became my signature. My later films were based mainly on my own relationships, where I fully intended to deliver a lesbian message." (BK Asia)
Aside from P'Nay (Yes or No, LSLS: Pae Jai, TSOU, and Only You), Claire is one of the directors who's been around the sapphic media space the longest- which is something that I really wanted to share/highlight before FG's upcoming release ❤️
End Notes:
Welcome Home is available on Youtube (embedded above), and you can watch That Day of the Month for free on Gagaoolala.
Quarantine Stories, another project she was involved in, also has an episode with some sapphic themes. Episode two (the one in question) is linked here.
Lastly, although it wasn't a show she explicitly directed, Claire also served as one of the screenwriters for the 2018 mini series i Stories. This is a project split into four different episodes (including one that has a bi main character, and another that has a lesbian one). You can watch both of the eps mentioned above on Youtube (available here and here).
In total, this means that she has been involved in (at least) 5-6 different works with sapphic characters or themes, spanning from 2012 to 2025.
Bringing this post back about Claire Jirassaya's filmography because I've been thinking about her work recently.
She is My Best Friend still isn't available online, but it has a lot of similarities to Flat Girls. Each are films about two teenaged girls playing badminton together. Through their interactions on the court, Claire begins to hint at the girls' intensely complicated relationship. Both works also have very similar settings- a run down badminton court surrounded by an apartment building.
I'm not the first person to have noticed this/pointed this out (I think even GDH mentioned this connection in one of their promotional posts), but it's so cool to see that one of her early films was potentially built off of/extended in her most recent work.
In a 2026 interview, Claire talked about how several of her films have been inspired by different life experiences. For instance, Welcome Home combines the memories that she had of her father with the real-life experience of living with a family member after a flood. Her upbringing in the police flats became the basis for Flat Girls.
In terms of badminton and its significance across two different films, Claire notes that:
“[It] was something I did every day while living at the flats. I saw friendships form because of it, and I had fights with friends because of it. I saw differences in social status through the gear people used.* I saw ‘life’ through badminton all the time, so it was impossible not to include it in my work.”
*editor's note: from the trailer, it seems like differences in gear is a theme that's also potentially explored in She is My Best Friend
Something else that I wanted to bring up was that for a themed film screening, Momentum grouped She is My Best Friend together with a few other queer films in a collection called "We Won't Grow Old Together."
This is interesting because in Flat Girls, the main characters face so many challenges that even though they're close to each other, it almost feel inevitable that in the end they'll have to go their separate ways. They're both dealing with financial and familial issues, the weight of which at times can feel very overwhelming.
I think throughout Claire's work there's a lot of common threads- teenaged characters/plotlines about growing up, ambiguous or confusing relationships where things often go unspoken/unsaid- but it's really interesting to think about the commonality between both films of not letting their characters "grow old together" (a bit doomed yuri core if you will).
Another thing I wanted to mention is that, at times, She is My Best Friend, That Day of the Month, and Flat Girls feel a bit reminiscent of a few other Thai sapphic films from the mid 2010s, such as I Want To... (2016), The Birds from the Sun (2018), and Reverse (2019).
In I Want To..., the film's main characters, Pin and Pie, have gradually stopped being friends. Their relationship has deteriorated due to a combination of jealousy and unsaid feelings. Like Jane and Ann (the protagonists of Flat Girls), it feels like there's so much ambiguity between them, and sometimes even confusion about the meaning of different feelings.
In The Birds from the Sun, the main characters have briefly reunited after a long period of separation. It could be interpreted that they still have feelings for each other, but there's almost a sense throughout the film that they can't go back to what they used to be.
In Reverse, Aim's similar reunification with her ex causes the film's sense of temporality to become warped- constantly switching between the present and the past. The opening and closing lines of the film ("I wanted to forget you but you are always there in my dream. For you, who will always be a part of me") carries with it the same bittersweet feeling as Flat Girls.
I think in all of these films there's a throughline of the intensity of female intimacy as well as adolescent/queer uncertainty- not knowing what to say, or how to understand what's going on, or maybe even being too scared to say it.
There's not a definitive link between IWT, TBFTS, Reverse, and the rest of Claire's work, but if you liked Flat Girls, you might be interested in some other Thai films that have a similar vibe/atmosphere.
Ultimately, I think all of these films are interesting in terms of the way that they tackle themes related to sexuality and adolescence- they manage to feel realistic yet deeply personal.
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Happy one-year anniversary to the legalization of same-sex marriage in Thailand! 🏳️🌈
A couple weeks back, I stumbled across a post in my drafts that celebrated all of the queer couples (in and around Y industry) that were able to get legally married in 2025.
So, I'm super happy to share it today in honor of the anniversary!
Pics (from left to right):
Porsch & Arm (actors)
Den and his partner (acting coach & director)
Boat and Yai (two crew members who worked on Cherry Magic TH; seen here with Tay giving a congratulatory message at their wedding)
Jojo and his partner (producer, screenwriter, & director)
Bruce Sirikorn and his partner (actor)
(By the way, feel free to let me know if there's anyone that I accidentally missed- it's possible that I didn't cover everyone)
In addition, I really wanted to mention James Rusameekae, an actor who's already been married to his long term partner for many years, but who held another wedding in Sweden (his husband's home country) for the first time this year.
So I wanted to congratulate him, too, alongside all the others- I'm so happy for all of them ❤️