There are clues everywhere. Like these possible "echoes" of other timelines: woman saying Jane! at the beginning of The spy, and another voice before El removes the Soteria in 4x07
Parallels with other stories
Time travel and Source code (+ The Philadelphia experiment and the Mountak project book)
Byler-Polivia and other ST-Fringe parallels
Parellels between Will and the god-like Turtle Maturin
If Will is paralleled to the Turtle, El is paralleled to the cyborg Bear
Wayward Pines-Stranger Things parallels
Will, The Last Dragon and the power of the Glow
Dark Crystal poster in Mike's room: a hint at Will and El connection?
The car crash theory
Hints that there might've been a car crash in the past (Part I)
Car crash (Part II)
September 8 as a big Fringe Easter egg
More September Easter Eggs
Will, El and the many mentions of Mike's name
Hints that someone was shot in the past
More hints: Three to the right, four to the left
TW: drowning and asphyxiation. What might've happened to El and Will in the past
Connection between Will, El and Sarah: Breathe!
- Will
Will: UD and Nina flashbacks parallels, Will's connection to Vecna/UD
Will's paralles with characters who have powers
Did Vecna take Will at Castle Byers?
Russian prisoners, lab kids, Will, El and tears in time and space
Kali
The connection between Hopper, El and the lost sister
Kali, nickname K-street name for ketamine-the mean green and the green goo
Hopper, Ray Carroll and Alice as a slang for LSD
Willel parallels and connection
Terryโs memories are different from Elโs
El, the new daughter
El and Sarah connection: Shirley Temple, bonsai trees and Anne of Green Gables
Will and the parallels with one of the russian prisoner
Will, El and Hopper, a curious connection: the horseshoes
Will and El parallels in 4x05
Little parallel Jonathan-Will and Jonathan-El
A beautiful bond
Jon and the possible meaning of him "not being there"
Theory about why there's only one photo of Jon and Will together
Nancy's line about Jon "just disappearing": Jon and Will parallels
Bylerย ย
Why Will wonโt be rejected by Mikeย (about the 80s and queer love)
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I'm not sure what it is, but I hear a weird sound at 38:35, episode 1x08. It sounds like a scream, or someone gasping for air.
(screenshot)
Hopper says in S5 that the doctors thought that Sarah was going to make it, and I believe that this scene (and that sound) is the biggest hint that his child didn't die.
The dog Chester witnesses Will's vanishing, and Jonathan (kinda) witnesses Barb's. He's the one whom Lonnie made kill a rabbit who takes a photo of the Demogorgon and says that maybe it's a perspective distortion (I talk about it here). He also says that he's documenting (1x08), and only films the good stuff (2x09).
After checking the trunk of Lonnie's car, Jon opens the trunk of his car at the crime scene, where Will's bike was found (another connection to cars)
Maybe we'll see these photos in the real S5, but as the photos of the investigation into what really happened in 1983, or in the 70s.
Dr Owens, Barb/Nancy, two tapes-memories in one: Jonathan and Nancy were not together in the Lab
(the Shutter Island, The Truman Show and Fight Club)
Do you remember a theory that Hawkins got flayed in the end of season 2? I believe we have corrupted memories earlier (most likely from the very beginning of the show, but thatโs story for another time). Letโs check this one out.
The first thing that stood out to me was this shot:
Dr Owens opens the door, and the scientist starts โworkingโ immediately. He was not working, when the door opened, he started at the same moment. This jumped out at me as if it was staged, and no one was indeed working there until Nancy and Jonathan entered the room. It gave The Truman Show immediately, and I rewatched the whole sequenceโฆ a dozen times.
The sequence starts with this shot:
Here we see just Jonathan, and it would be fine, if only I didnโt feel weird by the way the next shot separates Jonathan from Nancy: we see just him in the mirror, which is okay for thing angle, but something still feels offโฆ For example, the fact that Jonathan in the mirror is not Jonathan in the room. The mirror is fake!
You can see this clearly if you compare the way the chair is seen and Jonathanโs posture.
Then, this shot is followed by (what would you think) the surveillance camera shot ๐โโ๏ธ where everything goes even wilder right away:
as much as I could dismiss Jonathanโs hands (the right one is on the left one, while in the shot before the left one was above) or Nancyโs bag (and its shoulder strap) changing position, we still have Jonathanโs posture on the left where he sits with his back against his backrest, while in the mirror itโs different again, but also!!!!
NANCY IS TRANSPARENT!
It looks like her image was put above Jonathanโs. Thereโs literally no explanation for this table to be seen at the same time we see Nancy. And besides, her image clearly differs from the whole shot. Meanwhile, the shot with Jonathan looks like he is alone there silently looking right into the camera.
My first theory was that Nancy is non-existent in this sequence whatsoever and this is only Jonโs memory, but some dialogues after made me reconsider this.
Anyways, then Owens suggest a walk, and Jonathan again doesnโt match his reflection: staying right in front of the chair on this side, he stands very far in the mirror, and also close to the end of the table (although he moves synchronically).
They start walking, and here I caught The Truman Show vibes, when several people were turning around (as if they were curious actors), and The Shutter Island vibes bc, even though Owens addresses them both a couple of times, it still can be seen as if he was talking to only one of them for whom this spectacle is played. (+ Fight Club)
(fyi, George Sargon died on March 22nd, 1956)
Here I had a theory that Jonathan lost his mind after Willโs death, and Owens plays along to his fantasy that he investigates something with Nancy Wheeler, and everyone knows whatโs happening and thatโs why they turn around.
But is the corridor walk Jonathanโs memory?
The wording โyour brother and Ms. Hollandโโฆ Whose brother? Did anything happened to Mike? Why does it sound like he speaks to just one person? And this person is Nancyโฆ Imagine, that sheโs alone: he speaks of Mike, or Barbara, then:
โYou guys been together long?โ โWe (we)re not together.โ โWanna see what really killed your friend?โ
It could be about Jonathan and Will, but then Barb stands out and I barely see Jonathan and Barb as a possibilityโฆ but who knows atp. My bet is Bancy though, with the hunch that here we witness two separate tapes and memories combined. Firstly, Jonathanโs, then Nancyโs. Corrupted memories by Brennerโs tapes?
Enjoy!
Iโll finish the post with this:
Consider the possibility that Jonathan in the mirror is Jonathan on the tape, the hands actually matchโฆ the fact that tape!Jonโs and real!Johnโs hands do not match can be just a production error (moreover, on the tape we can see a mirror too in the โcorrectโ place, not mirrored, so I might be wrong), but the idea of the mirrored reality seems curious.
___________________________________________ tagging honey buns who were waiting for the post: @warmglowhc @wrathfulstarlightcavern @sorafyr3 @gritstartar @worldofsouthernwind @itswhatyougive ; @bbghostbones I meant the very last panel, but also I recommend you to check out George Sargon, I didnโt find anything for my theories, briefly reading his biography, but it might be useful for you!
Since everything was already staged at the park, where Jon and Nancy were waiting for Barb's mom, this theory makes sense.
Also, there's a little detail that reminds me of something that 8flix guy (the scriptgate guy) said a couples of years ago. Maybe he was just lying, but he posted a screenshot of Marty McFly in 1955 and said that in an upside down timeline, Nancy was "Jon's mom". Not literally, but in a "performing in a silly, terrible play" way
Joyce and Nancy are tough, and both scenes are connected to what happened to Will and Barb (and probably Mike too - is he the one who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, saw something, and fell?)
So far, I've noticed white lines in a few scenes, and I'm curious to see if they mean something,
but this is even more interesting. Look what happens after Lonnie and Joyce hug.
Original scene
VHS edition. Why does it look like there are flickering lights?
And the transition is even better, because
this is the original version
but in the VHS edition, the Hawkins National Laboratory sign is exactly under Lonnie's and Joyce's feet. Definitely not a coincidence.
Since we see this in the next episode, I think it's a big clue
Edit: in the article in 1x08 they also say that Will was the subject of a secret government program, and what Holly sees in his room reminds of what the lab kids do in S4
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I hope they release the VHS edition of S2 in August, S3 in September, S4 in October and S5 in November. Hopefully, Side B this time, and hopefully, there will be changes in other seasons too.
So Stranger Things is basically a terrible modern remake of the Stranger Things VHS edition made by Brenner because history was being rewritten by the victors.
It starts as a faithful adaptation (S1/S2), then loses the plotโthe heartโhalfway through by watering down sensitive 80s topics (S3), adds a bunch of new characters (S4), and censors the queer relationship because "gay people didn't exist back then" (S5).
hey did something happen to the conformitygate discord server or was I just kicked out for whatever reason? I've been in it since it was created but it disappeared off my discord a couple days ago and I was wondering if I could join back if it still exists?
Ciao anon. Yes, the CG discord still exists. You should ask one of the mods what happened. If you were kicked out, maybe it was a mistake. I think @whispering-goat is a mod.
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Mike and Will fell to their Death on the Same Day - November 12th 1983
I'm not kidding. We all remember Mike jumping down that cliff at the quarry in S1, but at the beginning of S5 we saw Will literally doing the same thing. Climbing that tree to escape the Demo and then jumping off as he's been followed. The dates are confirmed in the show, very obviously. Can't believe we've been sleeping on that.
If you play it side by side they do everything in sync. The jump, suddenly stopping mid fall, moving again... only that Will actually fell and Mike started defying gravity.
We know Will actually died that day (yeah he came back to life ofc), but what about Mike? Max taught us you have to follow your memories back to your death to escape the maze of memories. Something that worked for Will already, since S5 started with his death... Mhh.
I fear there's no proving Byler without investigating Mike's 'death' first. And everything leads me back to this day.
But hey, just watch it yourself:
Don't ask what wrong with Troy's voice, it abstracted every single try saving the file.
If you only wanna watch the actual sequence jump to ~ 01:30, but then you'll miss Mike and Troy answering to Will's singing and El paralleling Vecna :3
Oh and El heard a ticking noise.
Anyways, Matthew Modine answered my comment on Insta today, I'm very happy. :3 Weird feeling when you call someone Papa and they actually answer for the first time in 12 years... o_O
So much of the subtext and theories is based on these tiny little details in the corner of a shot and yet with the VHS tapes a significant portion of the image is erased:
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