Many mentions of marriage and weddings in ST are about Joyce and Hop, and after watching The First Shadow, The Boroughs, and Something very bad is going to happen, they intrigue me even more.
I'm not sure if they are hints that Hop and Joyce are already married or were together in the past (since high school? Or after Joyce left Lonnie?) but don't remember because of the experiments. I don't know. It just seems clear that the writers want the audience to remember that there are Mom and Pop, Mama and Papa, and Karen and Ted, who in S3 compare themselves to Joyce and Hop (while Holly, the blonde daughter, is with them on the Gravitron).
Are they Mom and Pop just because Joyce is Will's mother and Hopper is El's adoptive father, or there's more? Unclear. But my question is: why would the writers keep hinting at a past between Joyce and Hopper, why do people ask if they slept together, if there's nothing to reveal, and no connection between them or their kids?
In TFS, Lucas' mother says that Joyce should date Hopper, and that they'll get married. But is that just foreshadowing of what happens at the end of the story? Maybe, or maybe in a sci-fi show like ST, it's a hint at a bigger reveal.
S5 ends with Hopper's proposal, and then we get Something very bad is going to happen, a story about (SPOILERS AHEAD) being cursed and having to marry the right person or you die. The Sorry Man plot twist (his name is Jay, btw) is that he wasn't a monster who killed innocent women, but the protagonist's father, who saw his pregnant wife dying in front of him after their wedding, and had to perform a forced C-section to save the baby. A kid hidden under the bed saw what happened, but believed for years that the Sorry Man was a monster who killed that poor woman, when in reality, he was saving their daughter...
Some actors in SVBIGTH and The Boroughs look like some of the ST cast (Portia in SVBIGTH looks like Natalia, and Hank in The Boroughs is basically evil Hopper) so I think it's very interesting that in every trailer they were saying I'm sorry, and Don't marry him... and the guy Rachel shouldn't marry looks like Lonnie!
I know that this show is not ST, it's a different story, but it's curious that the actor who plays the fiancè looks like Lonnie, and in the end there is no wedding. Maybe it just means that Joyce's marriage wasn't happy and was kind of cursed too, but at least she had her beautiful kids? Or maybe it's something else.
Then in The Boroughs there are two interesting couples; Art and Judy, and Renee and Paz.
Art and Judy have an open marriage. They can sleep with other people, but not fall in love with them (Hopper's jokes about sleeping with other people's wives?) But Judy did fall in love with her lover, Jack.
Renee Joyce (not subtle at all) falls in love with a good man, a security guard, like Hank-evil Hopper. Hank almost kills both Renee and Paz, so I'm thinking, she almost gets killed by a security guard who looks like Hop, but she's also in a relationship with a security guard. Maybe both Hank and Paz "are Hop"? Young Hop, and cursed Hop, after some event that changed their lives.
Paz (peace) versus cursed Hopper? Not sure, but it's definitely interesting.
I really like the new shows, but I admit that I can't not see the ST clues.
From the moment Hopper sees Joyce, it's obvious that there's something between them. In S2, Hop has feelings for Joyce and is jealous of Bob.
Bob says that when he's with Joyce, he feels like a teenager. Later Hopper says that when they were in high school, he and Joyce used to share cigarettes (hm) between fifth and sixth period.
And that time their teacher caught them, "they ran, they just ran".
A few times people ask if they slept together (Callahan and Alexei). Is that so important though? I get that it's part of their will/won't they thing, but in a sci-fi show about mind control experiments and possibly time trickery, it's not crazy to wonder if the show is implying that these two people, who are parents, did in fact sleep together in the past and had a child. Because, if they didn't have a child, why should we care that they had sex?
Callahan asks if Hop and Joyce slept together and Powell just yells Will's name. Why, if it doesn't mean anything?
I think a lot about this scene in 3x01. Mention of the name Frazier, like Agent Frazier, the name Sam, like Owens, and a proposal.
And in S5 we get both an unproposal and a proposal.
This could be about Bob and Joyce, sure, or maybe that getting back together again is about Jopper.
In S4, there's this weird line, Your son is not your son, and your wife... Maybe this means that people are really performing in a silly play, and swapping places because of the experiments. So, who knows how much memories and events have been altered? (since the kid mentioned here is Mikhail, I'm sure there's some reveal about the Wheelers too)