listening for probably the fifth time to the tale of time city episode: i'm not sure if dwj would have known this, but Li (or Lee) 李 was the surname of the tang dynasty imperial family, the high watermark of culture and 'civilization' not only in china itself but to several of their neighbors. this would add weight to time city as a hereditary empire, particularly as chinese imperial power is later concentrated in the ming dynasty by the imperial (or forbidden) 'city' which conceals the emperor and the most internal running of the empire from public sight
ohhh yeah absolutely! Time City as concealed center of imperial power for REAL
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A tour of nineties Fantasyland, with stops along the way in California, Minnesota, Shannara, Valdemar, Derkhol
A tour of nineties Fantasyland, with stops along the way in California, Minnesota, Shannara, Valdemar, Derkholm, Dalemark, and the 'Maggots' entry in the Encyclopedia of Fantasy (1997).
Transcript available here, and our next (and last) bonus episode for the season will be our overview/Q&A, which we'll be recording in early July!
Truth is the fire that fetches thunder.
A planned minisode on the Guide to Dalemark goes fully off the rails with the addition of early pro
Truth is the fire that fetches thunder.
A planned minisode on the Guide to Dalemark goes fully off the rails with the addition of early proto-Dalemark novella "The True State of Affairs," for a wide-ranging discussion on art, time, splendor, and a possible alternate vision for Diana Wynne Jones' career.
Transcript available here, and we'll be back sometime next month with our next bonus episode on The Tough Guide to Fantasyland!
NB: this episode contains discussion of child abuse and pedophilia.
Huge huge fan of the podcast, it makes me so happy to hear all the wonderful discussion and analysis of my absolute favourite author. I've always been curious what the music at the beginning and the end of the episodes is, and I can't seem to find it or remember if you've talked about it before, so I thought I'd just ask!
For sure! It's a snippet of [a public domain recording of] 'Bacchanale' by Camille Saint-Saëns. So glad you've been enjoying the podcast!
i really enjoyed the new dark lord of derkholm episode! it's one of the dwjs i reread often and first read at a very young age (9 or so, equipped to understand enough of the tolkien jokes and some of the d&d ones by osmosis, but not other references) and i really appreciate, for this book & in general, how well the podcast pulls out the strangenesses and tensions in dwj's work that i don't always notice consciously because the books are just slightly too much part of the furniture of my mind. thank you for the appreciative & critical lens you bring to her work and the very interesting citations you've brought to the podcast as part of it! big fan :)
thank you so much for the kind words, so glad you enjoyed!!
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""Why have we got six soppy men in a green haze hanging about?""
Tolkien and Disney, coffee and cotton, children and chattel, colonialism a
"Why have we got six soppy men in a green haze hanging about?"
Tolkien and Disney, coffee and cotton, children and chattel, colonialism and capitalism, satire and sitcoms and sentimentality and as many jokes as can possibly fit in a three hundred page book.
NB: This episode touches on prisoner abuse and sexual assualt.
Transcript available here.
This brings us to the end of our nineties season, but we're planning couple bonus episodes over the next few months, so please stay tuned, and send any questions for our Q&A to [email protected]!
I thought of Uncle Ted's wobbly windows, and I began to think he must really, truly never look through them or anything else. Can't anyone l
I thought of Uncle Ted's wobbly windows, and I began to think he must really, truly never look through them or anything else. Can't anyone look out there and see that you need not to think of everything in terms of what works or what they ought to do?
Game dev and narrative expert Ariella Bouskila joins us for a discussion of bad colleagues, sick empires, beautiful boys, katabasis ducks, and the magic that can be found all around us if you have the eyes to see but can perhaps especially be found at a 1990s science fiction convention.
NB: As much as we would like not to, this one inevitably contains some conversation about Neil Gaiman.
Transcript available here, and we'll be wrapping up our season in two weeks with Dark Lord of Derkholm!
Mitt at last came out with the real cause of his disappointment with the North. "They told me it was free here," he said. "They told me it w
Mitt at last came out with the real cause of his disappointment with the North. "They told me it was free here," he said. "They told me it was good."
North and South, history-time and story-time, past kings and future kings, bicycle horses and evil-haunted trains and a really truly impressive array of bad dads all meet on Dalemark's green roads in the book it took Diana Wynne Jones fifteen years to write.
Transcript available here, and we'll be back in two weeks with Deep Secret!
Okay, so like I said, I think I more or less understood Hexwood this time. Listening to the @eightdaysofdiana episode helped sort out some of the remaining questions. Hence, I made a timeline. Obviously it doesn't cover everything that goes on in this complex book, and I'm also not sure that I got all the details right (especially once the characters enter the wood).
It really helps to start thinking at things from the intergalactic space consortium perspective, and how everything moves from here, rather than trying to figure out the Ann/Mordion/Hume plot, which happens in any which order and not the same for all involved.
1. Thousands of years ago, powerful families try to take control of the intergalactic space consortium. For the sake of peace, it is determined that five Reigners shall be chosen from five families. They will be elected every ten years years.
2. To ensure fairness, the Bannus is created. It will put the candidates through various scenarios and elect the five people it considers suitable as Reigners.
3. Martellian, one of the Reigners, takes a young Orm Pender under his wing.
4. Orm betrays Martellian and wrenches control over the Bannus, cheating the system. He, his girlfriend, his girlfriend's brother, and two more of their circle, install themselves as permanent Reigners.
5. Martellian is exiled to Earth, where he proceeds to raise heirs to fight for him against the Reigners, since he is banned from doing so himself. As Merlin, he creates Arthur. As Wolf, he creates Fitela.
6. Orm, now Reigner One, puts Martellian in a stass tomb, along with Arthur and Fitela. The reprogrammed Bannus is put in the same place to reinforce the imprisonment.
7. The five Reigners manage to keep young(ish) and in power for more than a thousand years.
8. The Reigners use descendants of Martellian as Servants to do their killing for them. In modern time, the Servant is Mordion, who is raised under horrid conditions to become their loyal assassin.
9. Under the firm name Rayner Hexwood, the Reigners use Earth for its valuable flint. The people of Earth have no idea just how valuable the flint is.
10. Mordion keeps a telepathic connection with Martellian, Arthur, Fitela, and eventually Vierran of Guaranty (who is younger than him and thus shows up late). None of them know the others by name, only by epiteths. Mordion and Vierran also meet in person. Vierran doesn't recognize Mordion, but is drawn to his role as the Servant.
11. The House of Guaranty are in opposition to the Reigners, but unable to do anything about it.
12. Harrison Scudamore, a clerk who has scammed his way into Rayner Hexwood, finds the Bannus. He manages to start its field of power, in the hope of creating a virtual reality role playing game
13. The Bannus field starts drawing people in. It also starts mingling with the field of Hexwood, which, being a wood, is connected to the Great Forest that once was, and has magic of its own.
14. The Bannus wakes the three people in the stass tombs: Martellian, Arthur, and Fitela. Since the world they know is Arthuriana, that's the illusion they create inside the wood. Martellian is reshaped by the Bannus into a small child. Arthur becomes the outlaw Artegal.
15. Outside the wood, the Bannus field spreads further, but with a setting more familiar to the people there, i.e. modern Earth. Fitela seems to make it out of the forest, since he becomes part of the modern-Earth world as Martin, a greengrocer's son.
16. W. Madden, one of the Rayner Hexwood maintenance staff, sends a letter to his superiors, which eventually reaches Controller Borasus of Albion.
17. Controller Borasus calls Earth, which unbeknownst to him permits the Bannus field to spread across communication lines through the galaxy. He also calls Earth Headquarters, run by Sir John Bedford, who is alarmed to hear the news.
18. Controller Borasus goes down to Earth to find out what is wrong, and is pulled into the Arthuriana setting as Sir Bors.
19. The Reigners are contacted. Reigner Two sets out to find out what is happening. Along with Mordion and John Bedford, he heads to Hexwood, where all three are pulled into the Arthuriana setting as well: Reigner Two as King Ambitas, John Bedford as Sir Bedefer, and Mordion as a hermit.
20 . The scenes within Hexwood do not happen chronologically; something may be very early for one of the people involved and very late for another. Events that take mere moments appear to take years. (Typical fantasy wood!)
20. Since Reigner two isn't heard from, Reigner Four is sent out. He becomes Sir Fors in the king's court.
21. Reigner Five is sent out. He keeps his own memories even as he is sent into Arthuriana, but is immediately tricked by the Bannus into exploding himself. Refusing to accept that he is dead, he settles in Mordion's abandoned hermit hut.
22. Reigners One and Three decide to go to Earth themselves. Reigner Three has sussed out that Vierran is romantically interested in Mordion, and brings her along as a maid/bargaining chip.
23. Reigner Three enters Arthuriana as the king's fiancée, Morgan le Trey. Reigner One is transformed into a dragon. Vierran gets a dual role, as a lady in the king's court, and as Ann Stavely, a modern-day grocer's daughter living right outside of Hexwood.
24. At some point, Vierran's actual parents, who have been plotting the Reigners' downfall and hence arrested by them, are pulled into the field as Ann's greengrocer parents. Fitela becomes her brother Martin.
25. (Third chapter only!) "Ann", sick in bed, see strange things happening around Hexwood. She is not seeing them in order, but neither she nor we know that at this point.
26. Ann, feeling better, enters into the forest, where she wakes Mordion from a stass tomb. He has memories of being stuck in the tomb for millennia, but those are really Martellian's memories. From their mixed blood, Mordion appears to create the child Hume, though this is really Martellian de-aged.
27. Mordion the hermit raises Hume with the help of Ann and a robot called Yam, in random chronological order. Hume wants to be a knight and fight dragons. Ann intermittently returns to her parents and their seemingly ordinary life.
28. Running out of food in the castle, the knights ransack the nearby (modern day) town. This starts a revolt, led by the outlaw Artegal (Arthur), and consisting of people both from Earth and from the rest of the galaxy, including Vierran's/Ann's parents.
29. In a motel room, Vierran listens to a recorded message of herself and realizes she has lived the same scenes multiple times. She remembers her time as Ann and figures out that the Bannus field is much wider than the wood.
30. Vierran goes to find Mordion, but encounters Reigner Five instead. He chases her, but breaks his neck, drowns in the river, and is forced to admit that he was dead all along.
31. Still with her own memories, Vierran returns to her role as a court lady. Her cousin Siri is also there, as Lady Sylvia.
32. Mordion arrives at the castle, pretending to be a magician controlling a mechanical man (Yam). Hume becomes a squire.
33. The knights set out to punish the outlaws. They encounter a dragon (Reigner One), and Sir Fors/Reigner Four is eaten.
34. Reigner Three turns Mordion into a dragon. With the aid of the Bannus, he starts facing his own awful memories.
35. Returning to human form, Mordion enters the outlaw camp with Martin and Sir John Bedford. The outlaws are very suspicious until Artegal/Arthur recognizes Mordion as one of the voices in his head.
36. Hume volunteers to fight a dragon, believing it to be Mordion. He is horrified to find Reigner One instead, who has recently killed Sir Harrisoun (Harrison Scudamore). Hume calls Mordion for help, and with joined effort they defeat the dragon.
37. Reigners Three and Two try to poison each other and are turning into dragons. Mordion kills them both.
38. Mordion realizes that Yam is actually the Bannus and demands that he puts a stop to this.
39. After Yam/The Bannus has had a moment of gloating over the dying Reigner One, Hume pulls out his sword from the dragon's body, killing him.
39. Everyone starts sorting out who they are to each other. Yam declares the five new Reigners: Mordion, Vierran/Ann, Martellian/Hume, Arthur/Artegal and Fitela/Martin. They reluctantly agree to rule the galaxy, not sure that the Bannus can be trusted.
40. The wood doesn't want to let go until everyone, with joined effort, has turned it into a permanent part of the Great Forest.
This wood is like human memory. It does not need to take events in their correct order. Do you wish to go to an earlier time and start from
This wood is like human memory. It does not need to take events in their correct order. Do you wish to go to an earlier time and start from there?
It's a portal fantasy! It's a space opera! It's an office comedy! It's an epic romance! It's an exploration of parenthood! It's a metaphor for authorship and creative control! It's King Arthur! It's Siegfried! It's ten books in a trenchcoat playing 4D chess with each other, and we could probably talk about it for another four hours and still have more to say.
Transcript available here, and we'll be back in two weeks with Crown of Dalemark!
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The restraints of knowledge harmed this wild power. In order to use it, Zillah could not know what it was. It would only answer a being as u
The restraints of knowledge harmed this wild power. In order to use it, Zillah could not know what it was. It would only answer a being as untrammeled as itself.
Time for elves, centaurs, demons, gods, witches, monks, princes, soulbonds, spaceships, sex, death, and an ever-present toddler, in undoubtedly the wildest book of Diana Wynne Jones' career to date.
Transcript available here, and we'll be back in two weeks with Hexwood!
‘That djinn has taken liberties with a person's castle,’ Sophie said. 'Unless I'm entirely turned around, this used to be our bathroom.'
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‘That djinn has taken liberties with a person's castle,’ Sophie said. 'Unless I'm entirely turned around, this used to be our bathroom.'
Richard Burton's Arabian Nights and Edward Said's Orientalism, fairy tale and retail, big dreams, big crimes, and Diana Wynne Jones' empire of the imagination.
Transcript available here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1s-yK-BV-i6hpFtn-kpxpMUCdZe3Gr3Nf/view?usp=sharing
And we'll be back in two weeks with Black Maria! (or Aunt Maria, depending on your location)
Nobody should be losing lives at this rate. What is wrong, Christopher?
In our first episode of Season Three, the brilliant Iona Datt Sharm
Nobody should be losing lives at this rate. What is wrong, Christopher?
In our first episode of Season Three, the brilliant @singlecrow joins us for a discussion of bureaucracy, cricket boys, Burton and Kipling, and the limitations of escape into fantasy,
Transcript available here, and we'll be back next time with Castle in the Air!
The first time round most of the catching-up you do is retrospective. The second time round you see it happening.
In our final S2 bonus epi
The first time round most of the catching-up you do is retrospective. The second time round you see it happening.
In our final S2 bonus episode, we do a terrible job of not looking ahead to Hexwood as we work our way through a wonderful pile of letters to discuss class, adulthood, lying DWJ fathers, the many (more) layers of Fire and Hemlock, and the real meaning of "The Master."
Transcript available here. This episode wraps up our second season, but we plan to be back in November with Lives of Christopher Chant and a guest!
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"She has tremendous talent, of course, or she couldn’t do it at all, but I do sometimes feel that she—well—she repeats herself. Put it like
"She has tremendous talent, of course, or she couldn’t do it at all, but I do sometimes feel that she—well—she repeats herself. Put it like this: I think maybe Carol doesn't give herself a chance to be herself any more than she gives us."
Endless questions, out-of-control characters, silly adults and weird bad dads: this week we're discussing the playground of ideas that makes up DWJ's short fiction of the seventies and eighties.
Titles discussed include "Carruthers" (1972), "Auntie Bea's Day Out" (1978), "The Fluffy Pink Toadstool" (1979), "The Sage of Theare" (1982), "Warlock at the Wheel" (1984), "Dragon Reserve, Home Eight" (1984), "No One" (1984), "The Plague of Peacocks" (1984), "Carol Oneir's Hundredth Dream" (1986), "Enna Hittims" (1987), "The Fat Wizard" (1987), "The Green Stone," (1988), and "The Master" (1989). Transcript available here.
Please note: we've postponed recording our Q&A episode for the eighties until September 25th, so if you understand what's happening in 'The Master,' please write in and tell us!
The thing we must notice is frequently identified by what is not described or told or explained.
In our first Season Two bonus episode, Far
The thing we must notice is frequently identified by what is not described or told or explained.
In our first Season Two bonus episode, Farah Mendlesohn -- who literally wrote the book on Diana Wynne Jones -- joins us to bring a critic and historian's eye to the first two decades of DWJ's career.
Transcript available here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pUoTY4vf69pSgYCj-nTVKA7DCE_gePEF/view
In our next bonus episode, we'll be covering the short stories of the seventies and eighties as collected in Unexpected Magic and Mixed Magics, including:
Unexpected Magic: "Carruthers" (1972), "Auntie Bea's Day Out" (1978), "The Fluffy Pink Toadstool" (1979), "Dragon Reserve, Home Eight" (1984), "No One" (1984), "The Plague of Peacocks" (1984), "Enna Hittims" (1987), "The Fat Wizard" (1987), "The Green Stone," (1988), and "The Master" (1989)
Mixed Magics: "The Sage of Theare" (1982), "Warlock at the Wheel," (1984), and "Carol Oneir's Hundredth Dream" (1986)
And on September 17th we record our Q&A episode for the eighties, so please send us any thoughts before then!