#nosy

like yeah i’m sure that the seemingly ending on bad terms was not karina angelic crying in a corner while j&j&n threw work at her and hissed that she was cringe and then they all gave each other friendship bracelets and left her out. since we’re being hyperbolic. but lets also not pretend that this occurrence isnt part of a pattern that poc have been talking about since the dawn of racism

and let’s also be clear, i do not recall the rest of drawfee ever addressing the fact that karina was receiving a lot of racist hate. they never explicitly defended her from it in any main videos, if they ever did at all. & that rubbed me and a lot of other people the wrong way

racism is not some mystical bigotry that only the most extreme people of do, which is how a lot of white fans are treating it rn. racism is constantly perpetrated by your idols and best friends and role models, especially implicit racism, and i do not think j&j&n are magically immune to being raised in racist america to the point where it never effected the dynamic at all. whether it was severe even to be a main cause is the part where i have no clue, but thinking karina being the only poc much less woc should be ignored completely is belittling

there’s an elephant in the room and white supremacy relies on us acting like it’s more of a social faux pax to address it than ignore it, even in situations as whawha as a youtuber leaving a channel

Yes, Karina has done a lot of work for Drawfee but people are acting like she’s carried the company on her back when all of them have talked about experiencing burnout. Obviously the workload was higher while j&j were gone but Jacob has been fully back for 9 months and Julia has been back doing admin work for a while too, she just hasn’t been in episodes yet. Things that take extra work like variety hour or new merch are things that Karina has said she wanted to arrange/make so I feel like it’s unfair to act like the team is overworking her and not acknowledge the real possibility that she was pushing herself too hard.

I love Karina and will miss her a lot but I hate the idea of “taking sides” when neither party has given out any real information and they are all humans that are imperfect and not just comfort “friend sounds”

to be fair, i dont think she'd like any of the speculation here, so it feels a little moot.

i think it's probably more true that she took on more than she could handle than the rest of the team explicitly overworking her.

(in reference to this anon)

i haven't seen much negativity toward her personally, (sans those two anons) but i might just not be in the right places.

The causal attitude towards planning things/joking about subjects can probably get a lot more frustrating when it isn't your friend poking at something that kind of bothers you or messing up your plans by scheduling something last minute but your coworker. Like people have brought up the stream where Karina was verbally upset because she found out she wasn't right about when they were next recording, and consider how much more frustrating it is finding out that people are coming over to YOUR HOME on a different day than you had planned, and you can't just tell them no because it's work, and you can't properly be frustrated about it because your reaction is being live streamed on the internet and if you make too big a deal about it people will start posting more weird comments about you than they already do.

I'm not saying this to say the other hosts were evil towards her so much as you can accidentally end up causing a lot of problems for someone when you work with them that aren't going to be solved if you think of conflict resolution as, "we're friends we'll sort it out if it gets bad" rather than, "we better have a channel set up ahead of time to make sure we do this professionally" because if you don't have a professional way of dealing with it then naturally it's going to mean someone has to be a bad friend, which isn't fair when it comes to work grievances.

I think I'd be able to feel better about things if they came out and said hey this ended up being a work grievance and we're gonna move separate ways, but then again I guess we don't know if that's true, or if they'd be able to even admit if it was.

yeah. i guess i cant say for sure this was or wasn't the best way to go about things without knowing what actually happened, but i really wish they did it differently.

one last thing: there have been a couple streams since jacob got back from paternity leave where the vibes were… really off. there was one stream around the end of last year/beginning of this year where karina went weirdly silent for like 10 minutes straight, and eventually jacob panicked over how the stream was going and said something like “I feel like I’m the only one carrying the conversation and other people aren’t contributing.” the team understandably didn’t post the VOD to youtube, and I think they made a comment the next stream about how karina was having a bad mental health day and that they decided it would be better not to post it. so something’s been brewing for a while. tbh I think if she has beef with anyone in particular it's probably jacob and not julia. people joke about "sibling energy" or whatever the fuck but I do think there's been genuine tension in some of their banter, especially lately disclaimer that I'm just throwing stuff out there, I don't know what actually happened, yadda yadda. but I'm disappointed with how the drawfee team has handled this (one brief very corporate text post to let fans know a host suddenly left? really? I'm sure they're mad but come on) and it sounds like karina should probably not be working with her friends in the future. imo.

this makes a lot of sense to me. and, personal observation/ speculation, but she always seemed the least into actually being a youtuber/ public figure of all of them. i can see all that combined leading to resentment.

honestly i remember like a year or so ago she mentioned getting screwed over with an animation job that ended up severely underpaying her, id get burnt out just from experiencing that ffs. what a major hit to motivation to be so blatantly underappreciated by someone who at the time she considered a friend. if that was compounded by j&j&n also underappreciating the huge uptick of work she started doing for drawfee while still balancing other shit, i think she has the right to explode them with her mind tbh

tldr karina's been crazy busy and im taking her side in the divorce

embarrassingly i was just looking at stuff about that animation job before i posted that, thanks for catching that.

i think resentment over her increased work &effort not being appreciated would make a lot of sense. also if this is true that has got to be Devastating to experience that same situation basically twice in a row.

Idk man. To me it seems to come down to burnout and inability to keep providing output, and the other three not being in a situation where they can support that long term.

there's probably an element of this, although again, even in this scenario i'd think they'd at least seem more amicable. and to give her some credit, she works herself crazy hard!! she organizes so much event stuff almost entirely on her own, AND does merch, AND hosts for recording/streams, on top of commissions and outside projects. it's crazy shes lasted this long, frankly.

She's definitely been struggling for a while though. i feel like this news didn't hit me as hard as some others because (at risk of giving myself too much credit) i realised a while ago she probably wouldn't stick w drawfee until the end.

I think the suddenness was likely because they tried to give her an ultimatum and renegotiated with her behind the scenes (resulting in no streams) that worked for maybe a little but not enough for her. and she quit with little to no notice. Would make sense then why it looks civil but still with some awkwardness, like no one wants an ultimatum but no one also wants someone to just up and leave with little notice.

I don’t necessarily think anyone is inherently “in the wrong” here though. Its just hard being in business with friends.

I liked Karina but im also excited for a new host to shake the dynamic up and give us something fresh.

it's possible. i do still think they'd be a little more positive to each other even in this scenario though, so i'm not sure.

maybe they just wouldnt talk about it, but i dont remember ever hearing about anyone actually not making a deadline, which seems like something they'd joke about. correct me if i'm wrong though?

(answering these asks together because i have similar things to say about them.)

admittedly i'm not the most well-equipped to speak on this, because (for mostly unrelated reasons) i have not been keeping up with the streams (and not many of the episodes) for about a year or so.

it's possible this was a factor, although i personally really doubt it. all the fake beef i've seen seemed pretty genuinely lighthearted, and if it was just a case of things going too far i think they would have actually talked it out. based on what other anons have said though, there is some merit to karina becoming increasingly more... upset? during this year especially.

as someone whos delved into jacob x karina rfp in the past (a lot of their "sibling"-isms could be taken a different way). it would be crazy for me personally if this is a reason for what feels to me an ousting of a host rather than an amicable leave

hi & welcome!! and that would be absolutely crazy lol. fwiw i think if something like that happened it would be a 'dissolution of drawfee' situation. (unless the implication is that it's still under wraps, in which case: jesus jacob, dick move!)

good point, anon! this is important to remember with karina & julia naturally being the forefront for these conversations.