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i’ve been looking at your heated rivalry posts and i love your analysis and insight. are there fics you enjoyed and would recommend?
i tend to read fics by author (meaning i tend to find authors that view the material in a way i find compelling and explore all their works) so i will answer accordingly. my interest in the works of these authors is often derived from explorations of themes of sexual abuse, incest, and bdsm. so beware the tags.
of what i have read in this fandom, i have enjoyed works from: grudekoks, tomato_greens, mcshrug, gone_girl, chaentics, this series by an anonymous author, citrusses, garagepaperback.
hope this helps!
I have a very American perspective on this, and maybe I'm just stating the obvious! But I do think parentification is formulated the way it is, at least in the US, to keep the waters of abuse/neglect/lack of material resources murky in a way that makes it easier for CPS to wield power over Black and indigenous families.
A (little bit) more progressive candidate in my city recently got into hot water for opposing a bill aimed at preventing sex trafficking. He and the ACLU pointed out that the bill very easily could be used (and would be used) to punish families who allowed their children to work part-time. I'm also thinking of the case in Atlanta where two parents were charged with involuntary manslaughter for allowing their kid to walk to the grocery store unaccompanied. https://atlantablackstar.com/2025/06/24/prosecutors-offer-plea-deals-to-parents-of-7-year-old-boy-killed-by-car-while-crossing-the-street-unsupervised-couple-will-serve-probation-take-parenting-classes/
Anyway, you've probably already considered this, but that's why I think the kind of double-speak in your most recent post is helpful to certain systems. It codifies the responsibility of the parent (for certain people) as it limits the public life of the child (again, only for those the law chooses to examine).
i think that, like many models interrogating harm of children in family settings, there is a three-pronged social interest underlying the proposal of this concept towards obscuring: 1) the condition of vulnerability of children as socially rather than naturally occurring; 2) the organisational apparatus of the family as creating a site of heightened isolation and vulnerability for children; 3) the fact this configuration of relational ties can only exist in a context where there is no automatic undertaking of care for children's well-being by the rest of society. so it becomes impossible to suggest the envisioning of conditions where children could safely participate to the social life of their surroundings. it becomes impossible to locate issues with "parentification" in the inherent/facilitated possibility (this is context-dependent) for parents to force children into work because this would destabilise the family as a system of socio-economic organisation. and it also becomes impossible to contextualise parental "failure" to uphold their mandated duties within wider societal issues causing the conditions for it. es. a parent that doesn't earn enough money to support all their family members may very well impose that their children work a waged job and that is an expression of parental power at play but the circumstances rendering it necessary are not an individual failure at all. to admit this, however, would mean to completely restructure how we organise care of people in vulnerable positions, to recognise our collective complicity in the creation of unequal circumstances for them. so no dice.
in this sense, i agree that keeping waters murky, as you say, with respect to the definition of the interlocking social circumstances creating "parentification" strategically works to uphold a certain status quo to the detritment of familial units suffering under some form of marginalisation. cases of racial discrimination seem to me absolutely relevant to mention in this context. there are other possible applications: for instance, i can see the model being used to individually villainize parents with disabilities, parents with few economic resources in general, etc.
i am not familiar with the specific pieces of legislation/judicial cases you have mentioned so i won't offer precise commentary on those. from the way you describe them, it seems to me they may have been motivated by a combination of the three drives i mentioned above but i really couldn't say without further research. i hope i addressed your concerns, if there is something i am misunderstanding or you think i have handled poorly, please tell me. and thank you for this addition it is definitely in line with my own concerns and i appreciate you sending it!
see when you investigate parentification as a problem related to abstractly inadequate tasks being performed by children and assign no definitional value to the circumstances in which these tasks are undertaken you get this kind of nonsense hodgepodge of situations that have nothing to do with each other. it seems to me that if a caregiver is attuned to the child's needs and recognises their efforts and the child feels an increased sense of autonomy we might be in a situation where tasks are being proposed to children in order to foster the option of progressive shedding of the overwhelming dependence on the parent rather than forced as the only opportunity for survival. big difference between saying "i propose you learn how to cook in a safe environment where i listen to your needs and guide you and praise you so you don't have to always rely on me" vs "do this or i kick you out". why in the world would the same term apply to both situations. why is dependence and lack of autonomy celebrated as a right to be defended in itself as a natural attribute of the child rather than a social circumstance to be navigated
despite some issues i have expressed, i must admit that in other ways parentification is a term that is attractive to me personally because my mother does literally want to be my child and wishes that i was her mother. she has told me this very clearly more than once, this is the specific fantasy she's fulfilling through me. so like i get the appeal of wanting to encapsulate the defined experience of being made to roleplay a position that, regardless of actual material characteristics, holds a specific shape and sentimental value in the eyes of the person creating the roleplay. you are not truly inhabiting the role of a parent in the context of social power allocation but you are being made to fulfill the reality of that role as imagined by the person imposing it.

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i am truly being so brave with my job applications even reaching out and asking for favours which is something that goes against every survival instinct i have
more heads need to fall for this
hey what’s up, i think you’re pretty cool but disagree with you on the whole ai can make art thing. to me, without the purpose from an actual person creating the piece, it’s not art but an image; as all human art has purpose. some driving factor in a work, compared to a program which purely creates the prompt without further intention. i was wondering what your insight on this is? either way, hope you have a great day
well, first of all, does art require 'purpose'? there's this view of art which has very much calcified in "anti-AI" rhetoric, that art is some linear process of communication from one individual to another: an Artist puts some Meaning into a unit of Art, which others can then view to Recieve that Meaning. you can hold this view, but i don't! i'm much more of a stuart hall-head on this, i think that there is no such transfusion of Intent and that rather the 'meaning' of a piece is something that exists only in the interplay between text and reader. reading is an active, interpretative process of decoding, not a passive absorptive one. so i dispute, firstly, that 'purpose' is to begin with a necessary or even imporant element of art.
moreover i think this argument rests on a very arbitrarily selective view of what counts as "an actual person creating the piece" -- 'the prompt' is, itself, an obvious artistic contribution, a place where an artist can impart huge amounts of direction, vision, and so on. in fact, i completely reject the claim of both the technology's salesman and its biggest detractors that genAI "makes art" -- to quote kerry mitchell's fractal art manifesto: "Turn a computer on and leave it alone for an hour. When you come back, no art will have been generated." in the past, i've posed questions about generative art pieces to demonstrate this
secondly, of course, the process does not end after image generation from prompt for serious generative artists--the ones who are serious about the artform (rather than tech guys trying to do marketing for the Magical Art Box) frequently iterate and iterate, generating a range of iterations and then picking one to iterate on further, so on and so forth, until the final image they choose to share is one that contains within it the traces of a thousand discrete choices on behalf of the artist (two pretty good explanations of this from people who actually do this stuff can be found here and here)
third and finally, that very choice to share the image is itself an artistic decision! we (and by we, i mean, anyone who cares about what art is) have been talking about this since fountain -- display is a form of artistic intent, taking something and putting it forward and saying 'this is art' is in and of itself an artistic decision being made even if the thing itself is unaltered: see, for example, the entire discipline of 'found art'. once someone challenged me, yknow, "if you did a google search, would that be art?" and my answer to that is, if you screenshot that google search and share it as art, then yes, resoundingly yes! curation and presentation recontextualizes objects, turning them into rich texts through the simple process of reframing them. so even if you granted that genAI output is inherently random computer noise (i don't, of course) -- i still think that the act of presenting it as art makes it so.
since i assume you're not familiar with anything interesting in the medium, because the most popular stuff made with genAI is pure "lo-fi girl in ghibli style" type slop, let me share some genAI pieces (or genAI-influenced pieces) that i think are powerful and interesting:
the meat gala, rob sheridan (warning: body horror!)
secret horses (does anyone know the original source on this?)
infinite art machine, reachartwork
ethinically ambigaus, james tamagotchi
mcdonalds simpsons porn room, wayneradiotv
software greatman, everything everything (the music is completely made by the band, but genAI was partially responsible for the lyrics -- including the title and the several interesting pseudo-kennings)
i want a love like this music video, everything everything
cocaine is the motor of the modern world, bots of new york
poison the walker, roborosewatermasters (here's my analysis posts on it too)
not all of these were necessarily intended as art: but i think they are rich and fascinating texts when read that way -- they have certainly impacted me as much as any art has.
anyways, whether you agree or not, i hope this gives you some stuff to think about, thanks for sharing your thoughts :)
linkedin bombarding me with job offers in international arbitration i could so easily get...this is the devil speaking
on a less serious note, this is a huge point of interest for me re: my unfulfilled hr au. yuna as a person in an inescapably disempowered position using her parental influence over shane to raise him towards the specific end of using the aspects of social mobility available to him to complement her own constrictions. which i mean it is also just what happens canonically. i just want to have a closer look at his later emergence into a role where the now achieved elements of social mobility force him to reckon with a newly acquired ability to harm her, while not entirely displacing her original influence. for my own entertainment

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a lot of my experiences when i was younger are even difficult to comprehend under the term for said reasons. for a long time my mother had enough financial resources from state pension, alimony etc. that big elements of domestic labour were delegated externally (very thankful for this and that we can still afford some minor delegations). but when you are es. babysitting children everyone understands that just staying with them and entertaining them and being generally available to their whims counts as caretaking labour even if you are not driving them to school. and for essentially the entirety of my late childhood/ adolescence this was mostly my role: not that i had zero domestic chores, but a big chunk of my time was spent just being a constant presence of support that couldn't leave the house in order to provide company, fetch things, absorb bad moods and calm them, deal with medical emergencies when needed, make the effort of learning what neither of us knew and acquire functionalities necessary to our common existence, explaining the things i learned etc. is this parentification? for many people a child staying home with their parents and only leaving when they allow it and listening to their every indication - regardless of whose needs are being fulfilled - is a normal parent/child arrangement. i lived it as incredibly taxing and suffocating, it took up so much space in my life i still describe myself in therapy as a bare rock with no personhood attached to it. but if i were to identify some specificity to the experience it would be the construction of this false position of power for me with the specific intention of justifying extraction actually allowed by disempowerment. which is a pretty common ground for inversion of blame present in many other instances of physical/emotional/sexual violence against children. it is more clarificatory to me to work in continuity rather than strict separation with these experiences
some reasons i find the term parentification unuseful, summarised:
1) strong assumptions baked into the concept that instances of what is essentially child labour in the domestic sphere represent an exceptional adoption by the child of duties of care rightfully belonging to parents. this may be true in some cases, but the fact this model has taken over as the main lens of analysis for these situations is suspicious to me, in the way it prevents examination of all the ways that labour can be a normalised object of extraction from children by family members;
2) inevitably related, the underlying presumption of a universal agreement over the content of parental duties, which would then help us differentiate cases of parentification from other cases of child labour within the family system and therefore create a specialised field of inquiry based on similar circumstances that can all be covered under this umbrella. except the structuring of parental/children duties in family systems is so context-dependent that applying this term actually tells you very little about the facts of a case unless you assume a very homogeneous background for your interlocutors (or, in my case, assume people place the term correctly in the tradition it has been created. but still, very limited use for it);
3) also inevitably related, the identification of the common factor stringing together different circumstances under this concept and, therefore, the identification of the specialised harm examined, in the confusion of the affective dimension of parenthood. this is a factor that can bear true, heavy impact in the complicated emotional landscape created by these situations but, again, i find it suspicious to locate in it the sole/main source of harm. i think children being forced to perform labour for family members suffer from other ailments, not necessarily connected to the sentimental dimension ascribed to the parent/child bond;
4) as i was saying, the implication that the role reversal de-parentifies the parent - equating failure to perform mandated parental duties with an absolute dismantlement of the role that doesn't clarify the residual authority parents maintain.
i do hate the term parentification tho lol i use it for ease of communication because it mostly conveys the factual circumstances i want people to envision but it's clunky and cheesy and genuinely has little explanatory power
a big issue i have with the inability to identify concrete cases of parentification with anything adjacent to abusive circumstances is also that it often clearly comes from an implicit belief, that people will deny bolstering, that abuse has nothing to do with the fulfilment of real needs. you can see traces of the same belief in the insistence to debate whether sex is a need in order to oppose justifications of sexual abuse. a division of the world between people that have real needs, with the concession that the ends justify the means, and actual abusers, which do it for the love the game. i think this is a very poor reconstruction of how extraction works in interpersonal and wider social power differential and a confused ground on which to built political positions. most people leveraging their power to obtain something from others are doing it to fulfill a need of some sort. even the act of hurting in itself, of wanting to use another's body for the sole purpose of inscribing pain into it, can come from real psychological needs. the lack of need is not the reason these acts of coercion are harmful to others and should be prevented from happening
parentification is a term i use with ambivalence because i find it so tautological that it effectively explains nothing regarding the content of the parental role being reversed and the processes involved in this reversal, as well as insufficiently interrogating whether a true reversal exists rather than the simple fulfilment of normalised duties children owe to parents. still, taking it at face value for a second, i often feel a disconnect when i go from discussing this experience abstractly to practical circumstances, in the way people locate the power in the relationship. for a term like parentification to apply meaningfully at all a parent needs to be "failing" in their mandated role to some extent and that failure can easily come at the heel of various forms of societal disempowerment that the child may or may not share (es. disability, various forms of discrimination on account of gender race sexuality, alcoholism, domestic abuse etc). and this disempowerment is, in my experience, pretty often read as absolute in a way that simultaneously minimises and obscures via naturalisation that, as marginalised as they may be vis-Ã -vis society as a whole, those same parents are not necessarily disempowered vis-Ã -vis the child specifically.

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i can just tell i am going to be a huge asshole today. out of the claustrophobic feeling of being surrounded and pushed in a corner
last post was brought to you by: just heard through the grapevine i wasn't invited to something and i am trying to retrace my steps in the last like five months to determine what set it off this time. i thought we were getting along...did i not laugh loud enough at someone's joke...what should i even apologise for is the thing give me something to work with