telling the largely queer women and afab ppl on ao3 that the smut they write is responsible for menâs behavior and how men sexualize lesbians is r/dfem bullshit.Â
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telling the largely queer women and afab ppl on ao3 that the smut they write is responsible for menâs behavior and how men sexualize lesbians is r/dfem bullshit.Â

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side note, some of the recent drama (âif you even like these fandoms youâre Bad, if you even like some SFW headcanons of a ship between minors youâre sexualizing them, future AUâs are pedophilia, childhood friends are incestâ) is a fun example of authoritarians in fandom narrowing the power base more and more, as all authortarian structures eventually do
like, I think the ideological issues here are going to be at play for years to come, but authoritarian fandom as a construct is doomed to collapse as they narrow their definitions of Pure and Good more and more to continue gaining power through exclusion. which is funny, because for all that we pro-shippers get mocked for bringing political theory into fandom, fandom keeps acting it out. Political theory is about how we distribute power among people. So long as thereâs power anywhere in fandom, there will be politics. And the politics being acted out in fandom right now is authoritarian, with ships inserted in place of race or religion or gender or sexuality. (Except, yâknow, for when ships get equated with race, religion, gender, or sexuality. Whoops.)
eventually, inevitably, authoritarian structures will collapse. and if weâre very lucky, weâll be able to learn something from this run of it in fandom, because the authoritarianism budding in the West right now involves a lot more guns and prisons, and things could get a lot worse before they get better.
btw you can really tell how incredibly skewed peopleâs view on age has become thanks to the internet, because i keep reading about people referring to reigen as âmiddle agedâ.
heâs 28.
I donât want to drag the FoFF post over here so I wonât reblog it, but it is some damn fine PR by T ERFs to get people to think that they ONLY promote transmisogyny. It is some damn fine PR to make people think the ONLY way to ID a T ERF is to see if theyâre being hateful to trans women. This is how theyâve invaded the community thus far: people forget that T ERF is to ra/dfe/ms like pineapple is to jello salad. (No offense to anyone who likes jello salad.) RFs are the lime jello itself, the base of the salad, and for T ERFs, they are extra walnuts and pineapples added to the recipe. They have a base theory they are based on. They just have additions to it. People cannot talk about T ERFs and say fuck T ERFs and want them out without also rejecting RFs. Otherwise what people are actually rejecting is solely the transmisogyny they present, but not any of the other, incredibly harmful exclusionist theory RFs are based on. In which case, peopleâs bios and slogans should be âfuck transmisogynyâ. Which isnât a bad slogan and still tells T ERFs to fuck off, but doesnât really reject a large amount of their incredibly misogynistic, anti-woman, anti-queer, (and often anti-trans man/trans masc) base theory.
And the fact that they have managed to convince people they are only the pineapple and the walnuts and that the lime jello was all theirs to begin with and doesnât come from anywhere else? Thatâs damn fine PR.
The MOMENT you use the word ânormalâ to describe morally upright behavior you admit that you are not advocating for the abolition of unjust social norms, but rather for you to be included in them.
As soon as denying your own deviance starts taking priority over promoting unconditional acceptance, you admit that bigotry, bullying, and exclusion are ok, as long as itâs only the people you think are freaks.

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when you only ever apply the concept of âretraumatizationâ to gaslight people into thinking they canât trust their own coping mechanisms with their own trauma, and theyâre actually just self-harming, and you, a stranger on the internet know this better than they do...
 maybe you should be quiet.
hi, i'm one of those artists. can confirm, this pervasive anti culture has myself and a lot of my friends feeling on guard 24/7. most of us have cleared our twitter archives at least once in the last year. even one of my more anti-leaning friends has cleared all their stuff. the whole cancel culture surrounding anti rhetoric has us small artists terrified. a lot of us (try to) make a living via fanworks/merch.... this sort of thing could ruin us worse than ppl think....
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I donât want to associate myself with anyone by name but Iâm very close to a lot of people who rely on webcomics/independent comics, conventions, and/or independent online art for their living.
Lots of deleted archives. Lots of stressed scrolling through everything theyâve ever posted, trying to imagine if it could be taken out of context. Lots of hyperawareness of everything and everybody that they interact with. Lots of real human cost and real human anxiety from people who absolutely havenât done anything to deserve it.
Iâm really sorry, anon.
hey, while weâre discussing this:
supporting artists, especially smaller artists whoâve been suddenly targeted, frequently means suffocating the drama. Starting arguments with the people dogpiling only surrounds the artist with more arguing and extends how long the harassment will last.
most artists do not want to be associated with discourse. most artists are rightfully uncomfortable with being publicly defended, because the âpublicâ basically cancels out the âdefendedâ. Itâs not a defense if youâre catching the artist in a violent crossfire.
Support artists who are getting dogpiled by retweeting their art, by starting conversations with them that arenât about the drama, by buying from their store or joining their Patreon. Sometimes the best thing you can do is make it clear that you donât care about whatever âproblematicâ thing it is today by not caring about it.
If youâre an artist yourself, especially one whoâs been targeted, feel free to add to this with ways that people can support artists without making the situation worse by increasing its exposure.
I canât help but get incredibly irritated every time I see someone recount a story of how fandom ânormalizedâ bad things for them as a teenager, but they chalk up every single bad decision and re-enforcement of those bad decisions by teenage fandom peers as something that solely exists within the fandom vacuum. They donât consider additionally lack of sex ed, lack of talk about consent and healthy relationships, lack of talk about abuse in schools. They donât talk about how for example in many American schools, sex ed is so far budget cut half the time it barely exists. They donât talk about how teenagers could just be easily influenced by adults in their lives and what relationships are around them. They chalk it entirely up to like, âI read Twilight and wanted a bf like Edward, and my friends encouraged it and said stalking was dreamy, so only Twilight is to blame for that and the fact we thought it was coolâ but do not consider any other outside factors that inform our worldviews of gender, sexuality, romance, etc. You cannot talk about oneâs worldview, as informed by fandom, as only informed by fandom. You do not live in a cave, raised by wolves, with only access to tumblr as your education. Â

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white women are always like âmore strong kickass female leads!â and when i say i want to see a black female love interest who is allowed to be girly and fall in love they give me weird looks and say that iâm supporting gender stereotypes and heteronormativity but what a lot of white women donât get is that black women weâve had hundreds of years of having our femininity ripped from us, of being deemed unworthy of male (especially non-black male) attention. black women in media are never allowed to be the âcuteâ ones or the love interest, weâve always been the âstrong kickass street smart womanâ trope that white women want so badly. so basically if a black girl says she wants to see another black girl fulfill the role of âlove interestâ thereâs absolutely nothing wrong with that and it isnât a hindrance to feminism
The fact is that black women specifically have been denied the privileges of heteronormative womanhood and would like to indulge in them because we dont benefit from heteronormativity and have always been excluded from femininity in womanhood. Itâs easy to say femininity is a hindrance to feminism when you and women that look like you have never been denied the privilege of benefitting from heteronormativity (and thus having it used against you)+ femininity and for white women, been the standard femininity is measured by but thatâs literally what white feminism is. Not taking into account black womens experiences in conversations about feminism.
For black women itâs like youâre a minority but youâre not âcharmingâ or âlikeableâ. Youâre a woman but youâre not feminine or desirable by anyone. That just reinforces how black womanhood isnât on anyoneâs mind. Not even other women and how were excluded from the criteria/ label of âwomanâ.
fairly telling that on twitter i frequently see people say âmicroidentities and tumblr ruin(ed) lgbt communityâ despite the fact that most microidentities, especially the more obscure ones, have largely fallen out of use. the ones that remain are ones people find personally useful or largely useful to have as a whole community because they fill a necessary gap. yet when it comes to ace-exclusionism and ra/d/fe/m inflitration of the lgbt community on tumblr, which is an actual severe, current issue, radio silence.Â
also with this i always see two things:
1. âtumblr had me thinking i was ____ but i was just ___â
2. âit was the fault of adults pushing kids into these labelsâ
bc the thing is usually âpansexual grayace demiboy but i was just âa cis lesbianâ, as tho implying the first one isnât a valid identity at all, as though most of the labels in it or the combination of those several labels canât possibly be valid. itâs a weird aversion to long words, like how people are afraid of long chemical names. âlesbianâ is normal, natural, but âhomoromantic asexual demigirlâ is overcomplication and bad.
and then ofc implying the reason these labels came up and became popular wasnât just bc teens experimenting, but bc adults somehow forced or encouraged teens and young lgbt people to id as them. the birth and nature of tumblrâs identity politics has a long history and many complicated factors, and i donât deny peer or social pressure had a hand in it, i know on some level for plenty of people it might have. but the way people blame adults for somehow not like, stopping people from using âmicroidentitiesâ isâŚweird. thereâs a lot of unpack there.
and ofc letâs not even get into how the idea that like, âsimplerâ lgbt identities, such as the âmainâ (les, gay, bi, trans, sometimes pan) are the ârealâ or most valid ones, which is clearly exclusionist-lite thinking.Â
I seriously canât get over peopleâs failure to understand that, if we want to accomplish things, we sometimes have to try things that donât work.
Coming up with 1000 microlabels for gender and sexuality hurts no one!!! If the labels truly are âuselessâ and âovercomplicatedâ then ⌠people will stop using them! The ones that are necessary for people to make sense of their lived experiences will stick around, unless the hostility from people playing respectability politics becomes too much to bear. Donât be part of that pressure.
@white people you have to be careful. i know some of you make a habit of talking over people/restating the points other people make and youâd do it just as easy to other white people as to people of colour but believe me when i say itâs different. itâs different when you talk over a person of colour, itâs different when you say our points again a few minutes later without acknowledging us. maybe for you, it doesnât mean anything, but for us itâs part of a racist trend that makes it hard for us to feel safe around you.Â
you donât have to be conscious of race to work on simple things like âdonât talk over other people in the conversationâ or âdonât restate the points of others without acknowledging them/crediting them.âÂ
some of you do this way too often and itâs exhausting to deal with because thereâs no way for us to point out these trends in behavior without being perceived as oversensitive or delusional. itâs your job to be conscious, to be self aware, to address your own behaviors. and donât be like âfeel free to call me out if i do thisâ because you and i both know that means youâll never be called out. people of colour cannot say these things to you to your face, we can only commiserate with our friends behind your back. donât be that douche, and if you reblog this, donât add anything to it.Â
The odd thing about younger people in fandom who insult us for being women over 30, over 25, over 23 and still fandoming on instead of being Proper Adult Women who only drive minivans to the kidsâ soccer practice, go to book club, attend PTA meetings and get the Mom haircut, is that if we actually did become Older Women As Seen On TV, going by how much they love telling Karen to go pay her taxes every minute theyâd insult us for that too. No grasp at all of how misogynistic that approach is, and no appreciation for the chance theyâre getting to see that there is so much community and life beyond responsibilities and stereotypes waiting for them when they get here. Only the airy-fairy promise that they wonât be women like us when they reach our age.
Their insults arenât important, everybody grows up and learns eventually, but I do wonder what exactly they think weâre all âsupposedâ to be doing at this point. What exactly is this wonderful Proper Adult Woman life they envision for themselves? What are they planning to do, what are they willing to give up, to become 'respectableâ? I want to know.
fairly telling that on twitter i frequently see people say âmicroidentities and tumblr ruin(ed) lgbt communityâ despite the fact that most microidentities, especially the more obscure ones, have largely fallen out of use. the ones that remain are ones people find personally useful or largely useful to have as a whole community because they fill a necessary gap. yet when it comes to ace-exclusionism and ra/d/fe/m inflitration of the lgbt community on tumblr, which is an actual severe, current issue, radio silence.Â
also with this i always see two things:
1. âtumblr had me thinking i was ____ but i was just ___â
2. âit was the fault of adults pushing kids into these labelsâ
bc the thing is usually âpansexual grayace demiboy but i was just âa cis lesbianâ, as tho implying the first one isnât a valid identity at all, as though most of the labels in it or the combination of those several labels canât possibly be valid. itâs a weird aversion to long words, like how people are afraid of long chemical names. âlesbianâ is normal, natural, but âhomoromantic asexual demigirlâ is overcomplication and bad.
and then ofc implying the reason these labels came up and became popular wasnât just bc teens experimenting, but bc adults somehow forced or encouraged teens and young lgbt people to id as them. the birth and nature of tumblrâs identity politics has a long history and many complicated factors, and i donât deny peer or social pressure had a hand in it, i know on some level for plenty of people it might have. but the way people blame adults for somehow not like, stopping people from using âmicroidentitiesâ is...weird. thereâs a lot of unpack there.
and ofc letâs not even get into how the idea that like, âsimplerâ lgbt identities, such as the âmainâ (les, gay, bi, trans, sometimes pan) are the ârealâ or most valid ones, which is clearly exclusionist-lite thinking.Â

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fairly telling that on twitter i frequently see people say âmicroidentities and tumblr ruin(ed) lgbt communityâ despite the fact that most microidentities, especially the more obscure ones, have largely fallen out of use. the ones that remain are ones people find personally useful or largely useful to have as a whole community because they fill a necessary gap. yet when it comes to ace-exclusionism and ra/d/fe/m inflitration of the lgbt community on tumblr, which is an actual severe, current issue, radio silence.Â
every time a straight man on here relates to a positive depiction of how to love/support women y'all idiots go âum sorry thatâs for lesbeansâ I see that shit and it isnât cute or progressive. cut it out
actually this applies to men of any sexuality