Destiel doesn't exist

And like, it's not a fucking competition... or it shouldn't be.

We're all just supposed to be having fun playing with our blorbos and smashing them together in ways that make us happy.

But, a very loud handful of folks (hellers) have proven themselves to be maga-esque in their relationship with facts and truth, and have been doggedly trying to retcon canon to turn it into something it wasn't.

If shippers of Destiel want to ask questions about Dean and Castiel's actual relationship in the show (friends and brothers-in-arms, and all the ups and downs they had) they are welcome to do so. The problems arise when it becomes apparent that the questioner doesn't know where the line between canon and fanon is.

Canon is fair game for asking the cast about.

Fanon should stay in fan only spaces, unless a cast member has made it clear that they are okay with discussing fanon. A few of them are, Jensen is not one of them.

Jensen Ackles Said Something Stupid About Destiel aka Jensen Ackles Said Something ANTI Destiel.

Hellers have NO respect for Jensen unless he says something that they can twist into being pro destiel.

Destiel was real, and ultimately intended by roughly half the people writing the scripts. It was not imagined, or in fandom’s head, and it is canonically a core theme within the show Oh really? Where's the proof of this delusion statement? Yeah, I'm not waiting for it, take your time heller, because it doesn't exist.

Hmm, speaking of things that don't exist:

Also, the most common read on Dean Winchester would be the general audience one where he was heterosexual. Most people do not get into m/m ships. For those who do, then you could say that Destiel was one of the two popular ships, the other one being Wincest. That has always been the case. And yeah, there are likely more folks who prefer Destiel because the incest thing squicks a lot of people (cowards imo), but Wicest existed first and persists to this day.

Canon gave us Castiel, right before he died, telling Dean that he loved him and had found true happiness in just fully accepting that fact about himself, but that Dean could not reciprocate... because he did not reciprocate.

Canon then gave us Dean, right before he died, telling Sam that he loved him and that everything had always been about the two of them being together and he'd been so happy that Sam had chosen to stick by him through it all. Because Sam was the love of Dean's life, not in a romantic way, just in Dean's own weird way and that was just what it was. Brothers.

If you ship Destiel and want it to be the "most iconic love story ever told," then run with that. But that really, truly was not what the show was about... And that's okay. Ship it anyway.

Also, you can't hurt me with seeing it as non-romantic because I'm aromantic and a platonic bond/soulmate still has a whole lot of weight.

He compared two m/m ships, one of which is an incest ship.

Like it or not, Destiel is just a ship just like Wincest is just a ship. They are both fictional ships based off of the relationships presented in the actual show. Neither of them was any more canon than the other. Because if we're talking about the writers putting in romantic parallels then we are also, very much talking about Wincest, too. The show is FILLED with Sam and Dean being compared to romantic couples, and being mistaken as a gay couple. It happens a few times a season, including during the first three seasons before Cas was introduced.

If you like imagining that Cas and Dean were actually in love love, that's fine, but that was no more a part of the show than Sam and Dean being in love love.

So what Jensen said was that Destiel is just a ship, just like Wincest is just a ship. And then he said that he is fine with fans shipping the characters and thinks it's great that we find inspiration in the show to create so many stories based off it.

There are multiple deliberate parallels between Dean and Cas and other couples on the show, which clearly confirm that their relationship was written romantically.

In the final season, the writers repeatedly used Sam and Eileen’s romantic relationship as a mirror for Dean and Cas’s. One example: when Eileen tells Sam she doesn’t know what’s real anymore because of Chuck, Sam kisses her and says “I know that was real.” This directly mirrors the scene earlier in the season where Dean tells Cas that nothing in their lives is real because of Chuck, and Cas replies, “You asked what about all of this is real? We are.”

Another clear parallel: Sam loses Eileen and Dean loses Cas literally in the same episode, 15x18. In fact, the entire episode where Castiel confesses was built around characters losing their love interests, starting with Charlie losing Stevie, specifically to set up and mirror Dean losing Cas at the end. The writers genuinely could not have made it any clearer.

On top of that, they introduced Adam and Serafina — a human and an angel who were deeply in love — literally one episode before Castiel’s confession. That was obviously not accidental. It was clear foreshadowing and an extremely direct parallel to Dean and Castiel. Everyone knows the biblical Adam and Eve story, but Supernatural deliberately changed the narrative specifically to mirror Dean and Cas — a human and an angel, just like Adam and Serafina.

They did the exact same thing with Cain. They didn’t even cast an actor to play Abel. Instead, they created an entirely new character, Colette, Cain’s great love, specifically so she could mirror Castiel in Dean’s life. Cain literally tells Dean, “You’re living my life in reverse,” and says that Dean will kill Cas first and then Sam. Since Cain killed his brother first and then his love interest, Dean living the story in reverse means Cas is his Colette (the love interest) and Sam is his Abel (the brother). That was extremely explicit. That is not subtext — that is text.

And finally, in episode 15x19, right after Cas’s confession and death, Lucifer impersonates Cas in order to manipulate Dean into letting him in. That is the ultimate confirmation that Dean reciprocated. The show had already established Lucifer’s consistent method: he always impersonates the person’s dead love interest in order to manipulate them into letting him in. He did it with Nick by impersonating his dead wife Sarah, with Sam by impersonating Jessica, his dead girlfriend, and with Vince Vicente by impersonating Jen, his dead lover. And he did it with Dean by impersonating Cas.

Therefore, Castiel is canonically Dean’s love interest. Destiel is canon. You cannot argue against these canon facts.

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Yes Dean loves Sam same way Cain loves Abel and loves Cas same way he loves Collete, literally the script you posted show's that, Dean couldn't reciprocate because he wa stunned and confused, no where is it stated he doesn't reciprocate.

Where is Sam the most important to Dean, he literally offered to kill him it get Cas back,not to mention he seemed way higher on Dean's priorities both in Purgatory and not only.

Also random quotes an emotionally distressed character is giving are your proof? Dean also said he would rather Sam being dead over Charlie in s10, well I guess he cares for everyone more than Sam using your logic.

Cass was never Collette, Dean barely tolerated him most of the time and I don’t think he ever once stopped for Cass, in the entirety of the series, except maybe if Cass threatened harm to him. If anyone was a Colette parallel it was Sam and Dean actually took back control of the mark and stopped when Sam called out to him to stop.

If Dean’s lack of reciprocation was purely due to being stunned it would have said “didn’t” or at least would have left it at “too stunned to respond” not “couldn’t” as “couldn’t” in this instance means “not capable”. The way it was worded is truly damming because: “could have, but didn’t because too stunned to say anything in that moment” vs “couldn’t, because sexuality not compatible” regardless of time constraints.

No, Sam and Dean offered to kill each other to get Chuck to bring EVERYONE including Cass back, with no indication that Dean had any intention to live on regardless of which scenario Chuck chose. Also, the only reason that Cass was specifically mentioned is because he wasn’t disappeared by Chuck like everyone else on earth, he was slurped away by the empty, so if they left it at “bring back everyone you disappeared” Chuck definitely wouldn’t have bothered with Cass, and as it was their friend, they had to at least ask.

Those quotes are proof because Dean meant them with his whole heart, and proved it too, as by Dean’s actions, certainly no individual person or being was ever more important to him than Sam.

Cas was always Collete as shown in the show and confirmed by the writer,the love of Dean's life, the man Dean couldn't survive without,his everything as he has called him. He only stopped bc if Cas, he didn't hurt Sam bc he remembered what he did to Sam, Dean's love for Cas saved Sam. He was pathetically head over heels for him even when Cas treated him badly

Dena has offered to kill Sam for Cas and Cas was so vital to Dean and Dean's survival Chuck refused to bring him back no matter what which ended up being the right call bc as proven Dean can't even live without Cas,he was crying and begging to be dead than live a life without him. Even if he cared for others Cas was always the main objective shown by the emphasis in the sentence, Cas is literally Dean's everything after all as stated by him in 13x01.

It's not even the first time Dean doesn't even care for Sam when it comes to Cas' safety, Purgatory both times, he basically didn't acre about him, in the trap especially Sam was being tortured by God and all Dean cared about was Cas , falling on his knees and begging for forgiveness (even though it was Cas who wronged him Dean didn't care Cas was vital to him). Getting Cas back from Lucifer too, Sam whining like a cry baby about how dangerous it is and Dean doesn't even care he only cares about Cas. He knows if the plan bacn tracked they would have all being killed but getting the love of his life back was what's most important not Sam.

-@markofcandycain