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I've gotta say, I find the concept of Bedlund trying to Ben-Hur Jensen absolutely hysterical. I'm just imagining Jensen getting a script and being like "Ben?? What's this? Is this gay? This seems gay????" and Ben just soothing him like a frightened horse.
Hahaha -ย Look it wouldn't be the first time.
What is this verb we're working with? Okay. Strap in everyone.
The Multi-Oscar-winning 1959 movie 'Ben Hur' had a bunch of gay subtext. The writer, the director, and the second lead actor all knew that Charlton Heston's character, Ben Hur, was gay. However, one person didn't find out until the 1990s: Charlton Heston.
The consensus on set was "Donโt tell Charlton, because heโll freak out." and when Heston found out in the ninties, freak out was exactly what he did. (x) [the movie may have gotten a reference from Misha back in season 6 (x)]
Whether this happened with Jensen on SPN depends on two things.
Was the character of Dean intentionally written as Bi and, if so, at what point did that become true?
Did anyone tell Jensen? Did he figure it out? if so, when?
I personally DO believe at this point, I really do, that Bedlund - Ben Hur'd Jensen. I think it was part of the writers room but not all of it, until it was. (Which RN I believe finally happened under Dabb.)
I think Jensen wasn't in on it, until he was. So for me? I think he really was in the dark at one point. But at what point that changed? Probably only he can answer that question. and RN? He ain't talking.
In the meantime we can only look at things Jensen has said on the subject - Like this unbearably ambiguous GIF set from @nikadd.
Was this tongue in cheek? Legitimate ignorance?
You're killing me, Jensen. That cheeky lil smile, Jensen.
Nvm - I'm going to kill you instead. It's for my own survival.
No hard feelings right? You understand.
UH OH HERE COMES A CUT TO HIDE A LONG DERANGED POST...
We can look at the text for number 1 - and I do that uh - a lot - see the blog name #Dean Was Always Bi
For number 2 we can look over some points when we got clues from what Jensen thought was going on [regardless of whether they make sense based on his jacting or directorial choices I guess] and get left wondering whether at any point he felt pressured to lie for his career, for self protection, or to protect the narrative from the network:ย
2010 - 'We're missing the gay angel' (x) (Season 5 gag reel) (x)
โSorry man, not what the showโs about.โ
Jared: One of the good and bads about playing the straight
[non-comedic] character on the showโฆ
Jensen: What wait? Iโve been playing him so wrong
2012 / S8 - Trenchcoat - Jensen talking about how sometimes they change the lines because they're way too gay.
Calls Cas a third brother
2012 - "What's Destiel?"
Ben Edlund: Thatโs some weird shit.
Jensen: Is this something that you created, Ben?
Ben: You donโt want any part of that.
โDonโt ruin it for everyone nowโ โI still donโt know what the question was.ย Iโm going to pretend I donโt know what the question was.โ
2013 @ JIB, re Deanโs reaction to Aaronโs flirting in the season 8 episode Everybody Hates Hitler,ย ย (x)
โAnd the scene wasnโt written to be that kind of - I mean - It was written to be awkward.ย ย Ben Edlund wrote the - my favorite line in that scene wasย โcarry on . citizenโ that was - I almost couldnโt say that with a straight face I was laughing so hard.ย But it was - you know - it was comedy. It was a comedic moment in the show and fortunately Dean gets a lot of the comedic moments in the show and it was just, you know, Ben was poking fun at the fact that - you know, how can we make this very kind of manly, heterosexual guy uncomfortable - uh -you know, orย or have him back on his heels and throw him off his game a little bit.โ
The thing is - Bedlund and Phil Sgriccia made very clear on the commentary track that THEY saw this scene as a 'romantic comedy kind of fluster' "This potential for love in all places."
Ben Edlund calling the writerโs room a boyโs club in 2013 (x)
Misha Collins telling Destiel fans they arenโt Crazy in 2013 after some executives said they were (x).
2014 Jensen says he was glad there wasnโt much Dean and Cas in season 9 ย - HA Hah HAH (x)
โI think the whole Cas and Dean thing has gotten out of handโ ย โI donโt think thereโs anything secret to their relationship even though a lot of people wish there wasโ
REMINDER - that season we got the nightstands acknowledgement and โplay him like a jilted loverโ and the โhe dumped me Jamesโ cut and -
I certainly know that Misha and I donโt play that.
SIGH. they Ben Hur'd Jensen.
2014 - the fan fiction joke - 10.05
โI didnโt have a positive reaction, The first time in I think 200 scripts I went and sat down in the showrunners office and said, โWhat in godโs name are you doing?! Why? I need to understand why this is happening.โโ โ[Carver] gave very eloquent answers and did a great job of explaining why we were doing what we were doing, I guess I had been aware of this โfan fictionโ for a while and I felt like maybe if I ignored it, it would eventually go away. When I read it in the script that is what I do for a living and is my workโIโm very protective of these characters and the story and I think we have a right to beโI wasnโt angry. I just wanted to understand why and what was the message we were ultimately sending with this script and story. By the end of it, I felt good and it gave me all the confidence I needed. It was better than I could have ever hoped.โ
But then there's Jensen in 2015 talking about all of Deanโs bromances. (x)ย [gifs at the top]
Could go either way - starting to figure it out? or No?
What had changed if anything? the entire Crowely season 10 story line?ย This was July 2015 - the same day as the SDCC 2015 panel where Misha talked about Destielย ย (x @ 13)
Carver and Dabb were there -ย
By this time Jensen and Misha were nominated for a teen choice award for best chemistry against various tv couples (and one ensemble cast, but the award nomination did NOT include Jared) .... Misha and Jensen would go on to WIN this award one month after the panel.
At the Panel Rob and Rich ask the question:ย โYou two have branded yourselves as TVโs greatest team since, ... idk who.... Ernie and Bert so.โย
[Misha says to Jensen & Jared, half not on the microphone: โI really didnโt expect themย to throw us under the bus.โ]
โare we going to see that continue? Is the Castiel Dean relationship still aflutter and still growing as we move into season 11?โย
Jeremy Carver:ย โIsh.โ [mocking from panel ensues] โYes. Of course. I mean Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Thereโs no doubt.โ
Jensen Directs 11x03 and the choreo mimics Goodbye stranger (x)
2016 - Jensen: Dean could have a huntress, but youโd kill her.
Jan 2017 Con the infamous - no hedge - harsh - โDestiel doesnโt exist.โ (x)
I would hope that if he knew he wouldnโt have been so harsh with it.ย So by that point either he still didnโt know - OR - to himย โDestielโ was specifically about internet porn/sex and not like - the potential for feelings / a relationship.ย
It makes me think about something Misha had actually said, around 2013,ย โItโs called โDestielโ and itโs about the romantic interludes between Dean and Castiel.โ (x)
2017 - jib8 Jensen called Dean a lover of the ladies
May 2017 - After filming the end of season 12:
2018 - Misha confirms he and Jensen have talked about Destiel (x)
- also 2018: The Bisexual Dean essay "? No."
(Oh god was this really this recent?! I can't deal with this.)
Well. SOMETHING happened in 2019. cuz here it comes
2019 - "Dean has no taste, clearly."
2019 - 'So, tell us just a little bit about what you're most excited to tackle with your character this final season.'
"Cas. Just like a full football form tackle."
Look at this face he gave Dean when Cas told him he loved him and tell me he wasn't playing into it here. You can't. (x)
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I admit, I almost always find myself disagreeing about things that fandom seems to have collectively agreed upon. (I don't think it was purple, for example.)
There is one thing though that I think we all actually, genuinely agree on:
Shane Hollander would fucking rock a mechanical bull.
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i love the idea that shane and ilya both have doing-a-good-job-itis (which tracks for the two best athletes in their sport) but for shane it's internal (he wants to do a good job because of the pressure he puts on himself) so it manifests sexually as him wanting to follow orders and be submissive because HE likes succeeding at a challenge (that's how he describes it to rose in tlg, "i like to practice discipline and self control and be rewarded for it.") whereas for ilya its external (he likes doing a good job because of the validation he gets from others, he's fueled by being wanted and needed by other people) so it manifests sexually as wanting to give his partner whatever they want, and with shane that means setting up hoops for him to jump through
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