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Meanwhile, if we’re going to play tit for tat:

Who was raised in a maga city with maga family? Connor. Who also made an active choice to be racially insensitive on more than one occasion? Connor. Whose social circle was and still is predominantly white? Connor’s. Whose glam and career team is predominantly white? Connor’s. Who chose to blatantly deny supporting a statement denouncing the racism happening within his own fandom, coming directly from his fans and targeting his Asian best friend? Connor. Who, between Connor and Hudson are less outspoken about their views on racism and discrimination? Connor. Thus, who between Hudson and Connor is the one to have more “evidence” favoring him toward holding racist views?

Exactly. Neither one of them appear to be bad people, and it is easy to create the illusion of Connor being racist or at the very least uncaring about racial injustice, but he is white, so he gets the benefit of the doubt. He is also presumably gay, which somehow convinces people that he can’t be an oppressor, yet Hudson is never afforded the same grace since at the very least, he is an ethnic minority.

Y’all take whatever is said about Hudson and push it as true, but if I were to start saying I think Connor might be diet racist, in that he isn’t actively slinging slurs, but probably doesn’t care about non-white people, I’d be in the wrong. I’d be called out for harassing a gay man in defense of a straight man, even though the same is not allowed to be said about the people using racially insensitive means to harass Hudson. Pointing that out is considered infantilizing.

And before anyone jumps into my inbox crying about how I hate Connor and was waiting for a moment to show it, no, I don’t, which is the point. Hudson has made two questionable choices regarding racial insensitivity, while Connor has made three. The cornrows, the “Native” photography, and the lack of support for the statement. However, they both had seemingly similar upbringings.

Odessa and Kamloops are both conservative small towns, they both grew up around racist people, both knew at a young age they wanted to become actors/filmmakers, both had to essentially bite their tongues when it came to expressing themselves. Difference, Connor seemingly made the choice to be out or out adjacent, whereas Hudson conformed (whether queer or not) to masculine ideals. Upon turning 17/18, both chose to pursue acting and filmmaking and got in close with the queer communities in their respective cities.

Y’all can yap all day about how Hudson is oh so obviously not a good person, but if he’s a piece of shit because the people in his past did wrong or questionable things, then so is Connor. But if you can believe Connor is an artsy kid who grew up around bad influences, yet did his best to survive until he was able to go his own way, then how come the same can’t be said about Hudson?

Another thing that was pretty exclusive to his situation is that the hate came from Chinese people too. I think, before, he’d said some things about his parents’ life in communist China (his words) and his strained relationship with him.

I have never been a fan of him but a lot of the hate he faced was extremely forced until the Reddit posts turned up and then it went next level. I’m not excusing his dumb statements on there but there is definitely more to the story than these things just turning up and people hating him because of that.

Y’all, I’m not doing this. I don’t know anything about Simu Liu beyond the first impression I got of him years ago. I understand he may have changed, I understand backlash against him overlaps with racism. However, he was a grown man posting that stuff on Reddit. It does not matter that people disliked him for other reasons before, because he was still a fully grown adult who posted what he did.

Do I think that needs to be held over him forever, no, so long as he continues to show he’s learned better. However, if people still don’t like him because of it, that’s their right. And I’d say the same for those who dislike Hudson for wearing the wig years ago and the grills now.

Those two things were questionable on one end and ignorant on the other, and if people don’t like him because of it, fair enough. I even think it’s okay to decide to no longer be a fan of his because of his seeming proximity to racist people, and being tired of seeing it cross your feed. Neither of them are owed fans, but Simu was grown. That is the entire point here.

Simu was an adult. Not 18/19, but 25, according to someone who knows him more than me. There is no excuse to be an adult posting spiels about how attraction to children is in any way on par with being queer. He was wrong, even if the hate he was received began unjustified. Even if the hate he received was amplified for racist reasons after the fact. No one deserves to be racially harassed nor harassed at all, but he wasn’t a teenager who was forced to write the posts by religious zealots. He, of his own grown man volition, chose to compare the two.

I didn’t compare them like that. I was saying that’s where he landed in my head at the time. What Jeremy said was weird as fuck and gross, and I put him in my head as a homophobe. With Simu, I read what he said and thought it was ignorant and homophobic, and didn’t check back in for him because I had no reason to.

He’s not gaining any points by speaking up. Every time he says something about diversity or racism he’s getting massive hate from all sides. And it will continue so because he set the bed himself. Everyone have to brace themselves that the same thing will happen to Hudson but to a lower degree, because Hudson has a privilege of having stans.

Cool, but it’s not going to be easier because Hudson has stans. They’re a factor, yes, but Hudson also hasn’t don’t anything. He’s being unjustly attacked for things other people are directly responsible for, simply because people who hate him for no reason keep attaching his name to any and everything they can, or yanking a situation he’s adjacent to and adding their own context. Simu wasn’t a victim of that.

Also, it appears that the ONTD post about this is no longer there. I wanted to check the dates and didn’t find it now. But I do remember it and it was submitted by the anonymous who was clearly close to him and knew all his handles and stuff. Guess what? He broke up with his long time gf shortly before the Shang Chi announcement. And the main theme of that submission was that he’s an asshole and is known for bad dating history. The most heinous part of those leaks was the pedo part.

So in conclusion – I do believe he may have been an asshole to his girlfriend and they had a nasty breakup. I do believe that he’s a typical straight guy who thinks himself very smart – hence the wording about the pedo thing. But also the reason he is still working is that no one could prove those are his messages (they are because that Blood and Water thing). And that means the leaker was someone close to him.

But also the truth is that the internet hated Simu way before that. The moment he was announced, everyone on twitter was crying about how “ugly” he was. And not just white people. Asians from Asia also hated him for not fitting into the Kpop beauty standards. He is also very vocal about diversity in hollywood and every time he says something now, the twitter is running with the pedo thing. And no matter whatever he does now, the pedo allegations will follow him forever.  

To be clear, I never thought he was a pedophile. Weird for conflating the two? Yes, but I don’t recall seeing anything that would imply he himself was into such terror. He was just on the same list I put Jeremy Irons, who I remember seeing oppose same sex marriage because it meant men would be able to marry their sons. (Which also couldn’t been played out of context, but I watched that video myself too at the time and remember thinking, “He has a son… what the fuck…”

So similar for Simu, I figured he was just deeply homophobic. Aside from that, I can’t say if I read about him and his girlfriend unless that was the posts about him being shitty about Asian women. Like I said, it was years ago and once I read it I didn’t bother to keep up with him. Over the years I do know he’s been steady working, but men being ain’t shit and still employed is not new. Even men of color, particularly if they are the kind to throw their ethnicity out the door for white validation. Admittedly, I assumed that’s what Simu had done more or less, which meant nothing to me either way.

Other than that, racial harassment due to being cast in a Marvel project was inevitable, even from his own skinfolk, but it didn’t force him to write what he did as an adult. So as far as I’m concerned, he faced the consequences of the choices he made while fully grown.

I do think it is admirable, and as I said, I don’t know if he’s changed his outlook or not. Him speaking up for Melissa and Hudson would lead to the assumption he has, so I’m not saying ignore nor condemn him, but to be careful he’s not being performative for the sake of getting his own name in headlines.

Because at the end of the day, speaking up against unjust racial hatred or against genocidal violence doesn’t equate to him no longer holding poor opinions of Asian women or conflating pedophilia and queer attraction.

I read Simu Liu’s Reddit posts myself back when, and…uh… I really don’t think he was misunderstood. I don’t recall it all perfectly, but he was talking about how pedophilia is an uncontrolled attraction akin to queerness. He also said some incel-y shit about Asian women that Asian women themselves discussed heavily at the time.

Again, I do not remember it verbatim, and I do think it’s possible his opinions have changed since then. I don’t keep up with him for the specific reason that when he broke out, I read the posts and was very put off, so I do not know. I know he’s recently stood by Melissa Barrera, so even though he was an adult when he made those posts, he still could have realized he was wrong. At least if it was just his wording he flubbed, idk.

That said, I don’t think y’all should rush to uplift him as someone Hudson needs to be linked to. People are one thousand percent going to dig back into his past and bring those posts up, and Hudson will then be connected to and “in league with” a man who factually and of his own volition posted things that contradict Hudson’s beliefs as we currently know them to be.

Because what do you mean you don’t believe Hudson was unable to see his own forehead at the time the swastika was being drawn?

What do you mean 2018 Hudson should have assumed he had a swastika on his forehead, because a guy in 2019 had one on his?

What do you mean you don’t believe that photos tagged in different years came from different years, but you believe all the people in them were at the same exact party on the same exact night, despite Hudson wearing different clothes and the drawings in his face being different?

What do you mean an instagram account that was only semi-verified as belonging to a friend of Hudson’s, must have been his too, despite there being literally zero evidence he was associated with it at all?

What do you mean you find it improbable that someone changed the profile picture and title name of a locked account, when the same account changed their profile picture and name within hours of being found?

What do you mean you blindly believe the account was racist, when nothing other than an easily changeable name, which was changed the same day, was the sole proof? And because the account was locked, no one actually has proof that anything racist was ever on the account.

By this person’s own admission, they do not engage with Hudson content. They have not seen his show nor interviews, and have built an opinion on him based on secondhand information flowing across social media, yet Hudson’s fans are the ones in the wrong for saying he’s unjustly hated??

This is the shit Hudson and anyone who second guesses the claims against him are dealing with. This person is grown and has an active blog. Been on it as recently as a few days ago, meaning they’re up to date enough to have at the very least, looked through other posts to get a better assessment of the situation, yet chose not to. It somehow makes more sense for people to believe whatever the fuck they read online, and claim they’re siding with those who’ve been affected by the issues at hand.

No they’re not. They’re siding with regurgitated claims, because they refuse to use the same internet telling them he’s a piece of shit, to decide for themselves what’s going on. No one has to think Hudson is telling the truth. In fact, I don’t think he’s being completely honest, but I also can’t know that for sure, because at the end of the day, what he said is 100% plausible.

He and his peers in 2018 wrote and drew all over each other. At some point, someone drew a swastika on his forehead. It is not at all impossible for him to have not known it was there until after the photo was taken, and y’all pretending like it’s a moon landing reach, is actually asinine. Because what about that scenario is difficult to believe?

Hudson is handsome, yes, but y’all misogyny runs so motherfucking deep, you can’t even fathom a world in which women and male attracted men are capable of having thoughts independent of their attraction. And it’s really that simple. The things he’s being accused of are either circumstantial or flat out lies, which y’all would know if you took even two seconds to read something other than hate posts about him. Is he a perfect person? I doubt it, but the only, and I do mean only, near racist thing he did, was wear a box braided wig.

Some people can feel like the grill was racist, which is their choice, I personally don’t. I think he and Aika looked goofy, because what did they need them for? Nothing. However, they’re not the only non-Black people walking around in them nor teeth gems, so calling that a racist act, imo, is pointless. The wig, I understand. We don’t know what he did whilst wearing it, but I understand.

Outside of that singular incident, however, Hudson has not been accused of anything caused by his own actions. The IG could not be tied back to him, and the swastika was presumably drawn by someone else. But because people online— who are staunch haters of Hudson, who stalk his family and friends, and who are currently wishing death upon him— told you he is racist, you’re just… believing them? With no further investigation to such claims? You openly admit to knowing absolutely nothing about him, but because you read it on Twitter, it’s true. Yet his supposed dickmatized fans are the gullible ones?

After reading a post written by someone who was in my replies, upset and disagreeing with everyone who takes pause on blaming Hudson, I think I’ve figured out the crux of the issue.

Meanwhile… Hudson Williams is an effeminate unlabeled man.

Hudson is equally as athletically built as Connor, whom they claim he was making fun of, but he is arguably more effeminate. So how crazy is it that even that is used against him? His own personality and mannerism are used as evidence of queerphobia, solely because he hasn’t publicly labeled his sexuality. And now, because it has been unanimously decided by people who hate him that his flamboyance and way of speaking is mockery, no amount of proof given to the contrary matters.

The thing is, this isn’t his dirty laundry. It’s people he knew having done something to him, and him being blamed for it. It’s an account he wasn’t affiliated with, being blamed on him. Even with him saying he didn’t post all those reviews, it’s ultimately just movie reviews that weren’t misogynistic or racist, being framed as such because he didn’t like a few performances from the actresses in them.

The only thing they’ve dug up about Hudson that he seems to have actively done wrong, was wear a box braided wig. The swastika is a hot button issue because of the history associated with it, but it was on his forehead. The only reason anyone is taking it as something he is to blame for, is because of how normalized the hatred of him became so quickly over the last seven months. People on various platforms don’t even know why they dislike him or why he’s supposedly a bad person, but every time his haters release something new, those same clueless people claim it’s yet another incident. Meanwhile, anyone with sense looking from the inside is stuck confused, because it’s just yet another photo of his former classmates/friends doing something wrong.

The internet is a cesspool of regurgitated cow shit, but Hudson Williams thus far, has not actively done anything horribly wrong. What’s happening is hateful people are finding vague enough situations from his past and reframing them as extreme misdeeds, and holding on to them to release every few weeks. So his name is always in a headline because he’s working and popular, but then every month or so someone drags up a manipulated scenario to frame him as a bad person. And anyone who goes, “Hold on, this doesn’t track.” is viewed as a stan who refuses to hold him accountable.

His rise to fame was mostly a surprise, because he’s not the white lead, so it’s possible he’ll retain his endearment so long as his brands don’t bow to the assumption that he’s a nazi sympathizer when it seems pretty clear he isn’t.

I personally think it’ll pass. He might have to be seen less until s2 promo, or might have to do an actual sit down interview to clear the air in his own direct words, but unless the media starts turning it into something else, I don’t see why his entire career would collapse. Outside of HR s2, he still has two shows, and a movie coming between now and next year. So I think if it grows any bigger, he’ll probably speak on it personally, apologize in a way that sees him take more responsibility even though he didn’t draw it, and do more visible social justice whilst also being seen even less.

However, I’m not surprised it’s happening, if it’s not a coincidence.

No offense, but the capitalized “fuck” feels really dramatic, as does the pretend shock that brands might pull away from him. I do believe him saying he didn’t know it was being drawn, but nonetheless, it was a swastika. Some companies might not want to be affiliated regardless of whatever statements he makes.