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Everyone watch closely I am about to write an entire novel CD-Orchard style
Okay I finished it.

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If you needed CD-Call to tell you this please contact your local board certified mental institution for check-in
Also:
What a good movie The Odyssey is
Thats all that came up when I googled AAVE I don't really know what she might be referring to otherwise except just saying: "Your slang is incorrect because I am old"
Listen, don't, make the slang the YOUTH use get under your skin its just so nakedly pathetic. Google and other search engines are so wonderful CD you can just search things instead of... well being nakedly pathetic
I've made this same ask elsewhere, but I fear the real problem (ignoring all the "her heroes really are just monstrous" stuff, for the sake of intellectual discussion) is that Orchard's insistence to break the formula, while a perfectly inoffensive in-and-of itself, even a little admirable, is that all she's accomplished is omit perfectly decent tropes and plotline ideas.
The classic rookie mistake of thinking avoiding clichés is good writing. As a result, instead of breaking a formula, she's just... not writing stuff. Stuff that's not just there because that the writers can't let go from the original, but because that's EXACTLY the kind of stuff that one puts in an action fantasy for kids. Hell, you could say that's the reason why they were there at all.
In summary, Avatar Niva fails because it's all "subversion" but without replacing them with anything of substance. Hell, even the more laid-back, non-action story fails to come off as a genre shift, and more like vacuous stuff in service of nothing of purpose.
Yeah
I mean, yeaahhh, I touched on it a tad in the big ol big post I made
I wanted to clarify, thats not aallll a deconstruction is its just a typical aspect, by removing something core to a genre "formula" you are able to deconstruct and really take a closer look at things that genre usually keeps sorta under the surface
For instance the Facist or Great Men ideas that is the background radiation of superhero stories for example

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You know Lily could have just said she wanted a version of Avatar where the Avatar is a raging asshole who just does whatever they please instead of their actual job, treats everyone like dirt, kills indiscriminately and still has their ass kissed
- Niva ig
Thing is, Kyoshi’s big character defining trait is that she relates to the people the politicians/high class people don’t. The lowest of the low. Thieves, con artists, homeless people are her fellows. She knows their pain. Whenever there’s a tyrant being a tyrant, and most of all affecting the common man (MORE THAN LIKELY NON-BENDERS) she rises up. Her whole code is based on outlaw rules and traditions.
Meanwhile if Lily’s Avatar was dealing with like…a starving population and she killed the tyrant (and mostly caused a power vacuum where someone worse would show up) she’d either just say ‘well sucks to suck’ or blame the poor ass farmers living where they are. Then go back to huffing her sister’s hair.
Hard to see the flaw in that statement
I've made this same ask elsewhere, but I fear the real problem (ignoring all the "her heroes really are just monstrous" stuff, for the sake of intellectual discussion) is that Orchard's insistence to break the formula, while a perfectly inoffensive in-and-of itself, even a little admirable, is that all she's accomplished is omit perfectly decent tropes and plotline ideas.
The classic rookie mistake of thinking avoiding clichés is good writing. As a result, instead of breaking a formula, she's just... not writing stuff. Stuff that's not just there because that the writers can't let go from the original, but because that's EXACTLY the kind of stuff that one puts in an action fantasy for kids. Hell, you could say that's the reason why they were there at all.
In summary, Avatar Niva fails because it's all "subversion" but without replacing them with anything of substance. Hell, even the more laid-back, non-action story fails to come off as a genre shift, and more like vacuous stuff in service of nothing of purpose.
Yeah
I mean, yeaahhh, I touched on it a tad in the big ol big post I made
I find it funny she's bitching about avatar creators following a formula for 2 shows (kinda) when she has had her last 3 (4 if you count her Digimon fic) stories follow the same formula of siblings so close and touchy that every one around them thinks they're fucking.
Her last 2 stories alone are literally just one sibling being 100% devoted/in love with their other sibling they don't have a life outside them. How is that not a damn formula?
Why does she get to write the same dynamic over and over but the avatar people can't?
Also, while they might always be upping the action (or at least she claims they are) she literally never writes anything with a conflict besides, perhaps other people pointing out the siblings are creepy and too close. Which is easily solved by said siblings throwing a tantrum and continuing as always.
It's another moment of CD just being a hypocrite. She can do whatever, and people don't understand her artistic vision. Other creators do the same thing? Awful, hack writers.
The ability to self critique REAL critique doesn't exist
"Oh i thought that video would do worse/better" isn't that
Thanks for bringing that up, I have been wanting to discuss that for a moment now. CD-Call might just not have any ability to write or meaningfully articulate what satisfying action so in her brain. We all have our strengths and weaknesses but if you asked her what were the most important part of say that Sylvanas fight she always, ya know the one where Sylvanas gets hit once and cheap shots him with a magic blast, ya that one: What is thee information being conveyed in the narrative or about the characters through that fight.
Because as much of a hater that I am I still watched the entire scene, ya know what I saw: character work. With more context about why the orc didn't use that magic sword he had to start with idk that reason but it FELT important and coulda been good characterization
Lily Orchard seriously said with a straight face, "How come, in a show called Avatar, is every major villain trying to stop the Avatar?"
Doesn’t exist
She screeched most recently about
So no extremists & no tyrants
Ok, that's bad faith probably, lets just say "No BBEGs" thats Big Bad Evil Guys in general. That also covers evil spirits & gods so no Vaatu, again and no Father Glowworms which would be immune to bloodbending and could make for an interesting returning villain you could do something interesting and tie its resurgance to radiation like how Niva dies but im getting off track, ya gotta make it more cerebral cause remember this is a deconstruction this is SERIOUS Niva uses blood bending on civilians and stuff
So anyways, Niva The Bloodedge can't be bothered by lesser foes, they gotta be big ol systemic issues like Sozins comet... gotta gotta blow that up... ig for... ya know reasons probably
Actually, wait thats just a generic save the world plot isn't it. I tricked you its a basic save the world plot. What does it mean for Niva to save the world. Idk she lives on it, presumably doesn't want to die that badly. It sorta takes the steering wheel out of Nivas hands in a way "what does being the avatar mean when the super mega death rock 5000 is coming" is either nihilistic as in "nothing matters" or she saves the world cause she lives there
Also if she is out there intimidating politicians and earth kings or whatever welcome back Kyoshi

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If Lily really wanted to challenge the "aVaTaR fOrMuLA", why not write Niva helping people in other non-violent ways? You know, stuff like humanitarian aid or other forms of charity work?
I don’t know if she DID do that. I haven't read it all
Now that you said that she might just answer a convenient Anon about how "Avatar Nive toooooooootally helped people, set up clinics and used bloood bending to heal the siiiiiiiiick"
Here's the thing though that I just noticed. Why does she have guards?
Oh my god its Aliana again
Its just fucking Aliana again
Its just the star wars fanfic. But. AGAIN
Its been 6 years and a whole franchise and she hasn't changed a goddamn bit. That. Is. Crazy
Oh my goodness
So this Anon
The thing I've always noticed about your characters is they all do very heroic things, but they aren't nice. Niva will save people from a meteor, but she won't hide the fact that she hates her job. Anevay will save the world from cosmic horrors but she's racist. Aliana will lead the galaxy against oppressors but she's bitter and cynical. I wonder if that's why some people are so mad
You can make characters cynical assholes and be interesting, CD, does neither. Cause her characters are all flat with nothing under the hood and nothing to explore. I would like you anon to take your tongue out of her hole for a moment and actually level with me: What is the difference between Daylen Namaran (Shadow of the Conqueror) & Aliana and or Anevay. Beyond the superficial.
Yeah, pretty much. A lot of people care more about a character being nice than being good.
Look we don't have all day for me to list every case where this isn't true and is a dumb thing to claim
And a lot of it directed at me is just about not showing proper respect to the formula.
The formula of being well written.
No but seriously, if you want to take an established universe and do whatever the hell. Do it sure. I too liked this episode of Star Wars Visions where a band has a member kidnapped and rescues them from Jabba the Hut
When I write fanfiction, it's almost always deconstructive because I bring my critical analysis and beliefs about the franchise into it.
But your "deconstruction" is ONLY for the sake of doing so and not actually because you have something interesting to say, yours doesn't
TSR throws away the Disney-fied version of the Dark Side because the more nuanced Dark Side from Legends was better.
But that isn't what a deconstruction is. Thats just you preferring when good guys shot lightning.
Horde Champion openly chafes against the Alliance-centric and nice guy-centric writing WoW is currently suffering under.
I have no opinion on this. I didn't even know this was an actual fanfic you made, I literally thought it was just your headcanon for the character you olay in WoW
Avatar Niva openly challenges the "Avatar Formula" that's been choking the franchise to death for years.
But you did it in the most boring way, instead of their being no despot you just have all conflict instantly resolve. This is literally like if someone went "What if at the start of Atla the entire royal bloodline and all the general just popped like balloons" well then it'd be a much shorter show ig. But then you just keep the camera rolling. No cause even that would be interesting, people would be investigating that shit
I've kinda always been this way. I don't turn my critical brain off and when I write fanfiction I write it the same way KOTOR 2 is written in relation to the rest of the franchise.
"I got biiiiiig brains goin on biiiiiig brains"
A lot of people get angry when I do that because they can the criticisms I'm making. In the case of Niva, that criticism is "Stop copying The Last Airbender's formula. Do something different. Anything different." If I could physically grab Bryke and shake them like they're a first year Wii game, I'd be screaming in their face "STOP DOING JET AND OZAI EVERY FUCKING STORY! TELL A DIFFERENT STORY!"
Theres only been 2 shows
Yengchens major stories are as I recall:
Fighting General Old Iron & A spy thriller that was about secession
Thats not the formula. What are you yapping about
Niva throws most of that shit away because it's a problem. She's characterized in such a way that the Jets and Ozais don't work because she'd fucking one-tap them. And her story is about examining what the Avatar is after so much of Korra was dedicated to the rabble yelling unwarranted criticisms at her and her taking them way too personally.
Aang had a big arc about how even if he doesn't like it, he IS the Avatar so better get with the program. Niva extends that to everyone. She IS the Avatar. Don't like her? Sucks to be you, you weren't consulted.
But what actually happens. Cool thats her character arc thats not the criticism how apt since not listening to criticism seems to be Nivas arc?
And the thing is, these guys can see the criticisms I'm making, and they're mad about it because they LIKE the fact that Avatar moves away from philosophy and closer to a shonen anime. They like that the new movie did away with philosophy entirely to just being about Aang and Tahga Armor Digivolving into Super Saiyans and screaming at each other in the voice of the Legion.
I've not seen the movie, I didn't really expect the movie to be anything but fanservice and to get people hyped about their new show. But if that is the case, that is a shame
And me suggesting that the franchise would be better served by getting less cosmic, less explosive, less bombastic, and more meditative, like the episodes of the original show people actually liked the most,
Wait
Wait
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is profane because they won't want that boring shit.
"More meditative, like the episodes of the original show people actually liked"
"They won't want that boring shit"
What ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY HERE
HOW DID YOU STEP ON YOUR OWN TOES THIS MUCH
What ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT! DO YOU READ THE WORDS YOUR TYPING!
They want to watch the element monks shoot kamehamehas at each other.
Have you considered das pretty cool/hj
You know what? I think Niva's ending is exactly the one she deserves. Her actions get her enabler---I mean her beloved sister killed, she spends the rest of her life sulking about it instead of learning anything from it, probably gets the mother of all calling out by the spirits of the previous avatars when she shows up in the afterlife and is remembered as a spoiled, entitled brat of an avatar who refused to grow up even until the day she died. Regardless of what Lily says, that's her ending in my eyes.
True comedy
was a fan of c.d back in primary when she did my little pony came back to relive nostalgia found out she ped disgusting childhood was a lie
I'm sorry to hear that happened.
Might I recommend:
I swear, Lily's Avatar story is not Avatar, it is straight up a power fantasy. Who does Niva help? No one but herself. She hates everyone except Lavi and they hate her. That kind of character could be interesting, but since it's Lily's character, it's written as if that's the correct way to be. Niva is the best Avatar actually.
Avatar can be seen as a power fantasy*
Kids pretending to be a element bender on playground was extremely common. People like the fantasy of having powers.
All of CDs writing is her claiming she wants to reinvent the wheel without even understanding what a circle is

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CD will see a non-binary ace asian american who is involved in the TTRPG community with published ttrpg supplements, regularly participates in public conventions, and does photoshoots showing off themselves in dresses and makeup cause they just like to and get so blindingly furiously mad at this person because they point out when CD does something stupid it is in fact stupid. (Oh yeah at time of posting the last time they talked about CD was 6 months ago)
Ya know... CD might just be a Libertarian:
Defends Big Businesses over individuals
Celebrates when politicians die
Wants to lower the age of consent