How do you win an argument where the other party doesn't listen to logic and facts and neither does their supporters?
Okay, so. Analogy time! Persuasion is like giving someone directions for a trip. You must start with finding out where they are now.
Why is it that they arenât listening to logic and facts? People normally listen to logic and facts. If they donât, thereâs a reason for it. It might well be an emotional thing rather than a logical one, but itâs absolutely there.
When people accuse me of ânot listening to logic and factsâ, Iâm pretty sure theyâre wrong, but I do get that accusation a lot. I get it from people who are angry and upset that Iâm not accepting their positions. But often, they havenât actually presented any kind of reason for me to do so, theyâve just yelled a lot about how important it is.
My experience has been that most people who endorse ideas reasonably close to fascist ideas is that theyâre doing it because they are afraid. Of what? Well, that varies. But with the Nazis and Nazi-punchers, for the most part, both sides are justifiably afraid that the people on the other side want them injured or dead. (In fact, the belief systems are basically parallel; you could write a single book with a few blank fields to play Mad Libs with, and it would describe both of them.) But thereâs precursors. Violent nationalism and unfocused racism are mostly rooted in fear of violence and economic insecurity. Both of these are things actively promoted by politicians because they make people compliant and easier to control, up to a point. And not just one âsideâ of the political spectrum. US Republicans and Democrats both encourage fear and tend to advocate policies that increase economic insecurity in the people they are offering to âhelpâ, so those people will feel reliant on them. Perhaps more importantly, they actively encourage people to fear economic insecurity more than it actually exists.
But the biggest and most fundamental thing that will make people refuse to listen to you is stunningly obvious and stunningly easy to address: Itâs that they donât think youâre listening to them. Youâre not treating them like a person who matters, why should they treat you like one?
When I was doing MMOs more, I used to talk people down from transphobia. I had about a 50-70% success rate in single conversations. Obviously, everyone had already tried bombarding them with logic and facts. So Iâd ask them about their feelings on the issue, and acknowledge that it could feel pretty weird being asked to call someone âsheâ when you can tell theyâre âreally a guyâ. And Iâd talk with them about how itâs sorta rough how you have these instincts about how gender works, because obviously our species has instincts, and then people expect you to just override those instincts and say things that feel wrong and go against your instincts. And theyâd agree with that. And then Iâd talk about how the instincts sometimes get sorta wired up funny, and thatâs what âtransâ means, that someoneâs got the *instincts* for a body type they didnât end up with. And theyâd say âI never thought about it like thatâ. And they might not suddenly become sensitive or supportive, but you know what? They stopped advocating violence and picking fights. Because someone had actually fucking listened to them. The key here is that 90% of the conversation is me listening to them, not me telling them things I think.
When people say âyou canât convince [x]â, I mostly think âgit gud scrubâ.