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trent-crimminal said:
What book is this? It sounds interesting
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The book is Aurora by Kim Stanley Robinson. It IS really interesting (a little dry at some points because the POV character is the emergent ship AI and gets a little droning and technical) but he did lose me somewhere in the last 50 or so pages (according to Kobo, anyway)
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Finished a novel about why generation ships/expecting to be able to terraform planets is a stupid idea and there is a surprising number of people who were offended by the fact that someone was pessimistic about the idea of recreating Earth someplace where the transit time just to get there is measurable in centuries
On the new planet (which took over 200 years to get to so the ship is running out of critical resources, as scheduled) the expedition that goes down to check it out contracts a mysterious illness. It’s unlike anything they’ve ever seen and doesn’t respond to the medical treatments they have. They don’t have any idea how to even classify the organism and end up calling it a ‘fast prion.’ They don’t even all agree it IS a prion. Nobody on the ship ever figures out what it is or if it’s even a prion.
There was a comment thread on Goodreads where they were like ‘why didn’t they just cure the prion and continue colonising the planet?’ like ??? Do you know how to read, actually? Because it was explained in detail why they did not whip out a magic cure for the mystery organism
Some of the population stays to try to colonise a nearby planet in the hopes of colonising the target planet in some distant future and the rest of them turn around and go back to Earth. The ship is made of two rings on a spine and they leave half the ship with the people remaining to help their chances of survival.
The ship was not really designed to keep going past the time frame they were supposed to arrive on the new planet, so the delicate ecosystem inside of it starts to collapse and the people on the ship begin to starve.
Comment thread: ‘They have printers that can print anything, why didn’t they just print food???’
The text LITERALLY said in PLAIN ENGLISH that they COULD theoretically grow meat in the lab, but the problem was there was not enough material to do that for long enough to make it back to Earth. Because despite the fact that it’s repeated 700 different ways over the course of the novel, it didn’t get through to these people that the ship was OUT OF RESOURCES
The ship travels at approximately 1/10th of the speed of light, so the problem they encounter next is that once they reach the Sol system, they are going to shoot right past Earth and into the depths of space in the opposite direction. Their original plan is to call the citizens of Titan and ask them to turn on the space laser that was used as an accelerant when the generation ships were originally launched; however, communication takes somewhere around 16 years and they are told the laser has been turned off because the generation ship program was shut down. However, they say they're going to fundraise to get the laser turned back on. They do, but it's too late. The ship has to calculate its approach based on where the solar system will be decades from then, but the laser operators have no idea where the ship is and hasn't accounted for the ship being in the wrong position.
They have just enough fuel left to return to the solar system with some left over to 'aerobrake' through the atmosphere/gravitational pull of the planets in the solar system. They have to loop through the planets for somewhere around 12 years to slow down enough that they can get the passengers off the ship.
The ship remarks at the beginning of this process that the planets are uniquely aligned to allow this hail Mary to even be workable. On a subsequent pass, where the ship is still travelling at 160 kilometres per second, the ship states that they are still travelling too fast to approach Earth. The planets are no longer aligned fortuitously. They do not have enough fuel to make another round of the planets. The ship attempts to skim fuel elements from some of the planets as it passes, but it gets basically nothing and attempts to get more by flying closer to the planets will expend more fuel than it gathers. The ship can't go into orbit around Earth because it's going too fast and will cause an extinction event, so the passengers get ejected abruptly using their largest lander. The ship also mentions several times that at their speed, if their magnetic shield fails a small rock will blow them all up; in fact, there was a second generation ship that launched at the same time that blew up for precisely that reason.
This is all explained in great and elaborate detail that some commenters seem not to have deigned to read, because they had such gems as 'why didn't they send someone up to physically slow the ship down or deliver more fuel?' as though you can simply attach a giant parachute to something travelling 160km/s to get it to stop, or as though aerial refuelling a starship travelling at the aforementioned speed is no big deal
Finally, during the last chapter the leaders of the passengers are called to a conference in America. The conference is about not only restarting the generation ship program (despite hearing all about the horrific experience of the people who came back AND never hearing from any of the other ships they sent out), but about going even FARTHER now that they have hibernation technology. None of the leaders of the conference seemed to have listened or cared about the fact that the people who originally board the ship aren't the ones who are going to have to deal with the problems of such a delicate closed ecosystem or of trying to terraform a planet; it's their descendants, who have no choice in the matter, who are going to spend their entire lives on a spaceship and then somehow have to magically figure out how to make an entire foreign body habitable for themselves before they all drop dead of unpredictable issues. In fact, they think that if there's only one chance out of a thousand, they should go for it! That's what the human spirit is all about!
The protagonist of the book punches this guy in the face and starts beating him up for being such an ignorant prick.
A commenter declared this was like beating up the reader for being idealistic about generation ships.
Brother, if you read that entire book where it was stated repeatedly, in detail, why and how generation ships are a bad idea and then felt like the author was punching you in the face at a point in the story where the characters who had to go through the experience of being on one also stated in detail why and how generation ships are a bad idea... you should have closed the book 200 pages ago and picked up one that had a more idealistic bent on the idea
Finished a novel about why generation ships/expecting to be able to terraform planets is a stupid idea and there is a surprising number of people who were offended by the fact that someone was pessimistic about the idea of recreating Earth someplace where the transit time just to get there is measurable in centuries
On the new planet (which took over 200 years to get to so the ship is running out of critical resources, as scheduled) the expedition that goes down to check it out contracts a mysterious illness. It’s unlike anything they’ve ever seen and doesn’t respond to the medical treatments they have. They don’t have any idea how to even classify the organism and end up calling it a ‘fast prion.’ They don’t even all agree it IS a prion. Nobody on the ship ever figures out what it is or if it’s even a prion.
There was a comment thread on Goodreads where they were like ‘why didn’t they just cure the prion and continue colonising the planet?’ like ??? Do you know how to read, actually? Because it was explained in detail why they did not whip out a magic cure for the mystery organism
Some of the population stays to try to colonise a nearby planet in the hopes of colonising the target planet in some distant future and the rest of them turn around and go back to Earth. The ship is made of two rings on a spine and they leave half the ship with the people remaining to help their chances of survival.
The ship was not really designed to keep going past the time frame they were supposed to arrive on the new planet, so the delicate ecosystem inside of it starts to collapse and the people on the ship begin to starve.
Comment thread: ‘They have printers that can print anything, why didn’t they just print food???’
The text LITERALLY said in PLAIN ENGLISH that they COULD theoretically grow meat in the lab, but the problem was there was not enough material to do that for long enough to make it back to Earth. Because despite the fact that it’s repeated 700 different ways over the course of the novel, it didn’t get through to these people that the ship was OUT OF RESOURCES
The ship travels at approximately 1/10th of the speed of light, so the problem they encounter next is that once they reach the Sol system, they are going to shoot right past Earth and into the depths of space in the opposite direction. Their original plan is to call the citizens of Titan and ask them to turn on the space laser that was used as an accelerant when the generation ships were originally launched; however, communication takes somewhere around 16 years and they are told the laser has been turned off because the generation ship program was shut down. However, they say they're going to fundraise to get the laser turned back on. They do, but it's too late. The ship has to calculate its approach based on where the solar system will be decades from then, but the laser operators have no idea where the ship is and hasn't accounted for the ship being in the wrong position.
They have just enough fuel left to return to the solar system with some left over to 'aerobrake' through the atmosphere/gravitational pull of the planets in the solar system. They have to loop through the planets for somewhere around 12 years to slow down enough that they can get the passengers off the ship.
The ship remarks at the beginning of this process that the planets are uniquely aligned to allow this hail Mary to even be workable. On a subsequent pass, where the ship is still travelling at 160 kilometres per second, the ship states that they are still travelling too fast to approach Earth. The planets are no longer aligned fortuitously. They do not have enough fuel to make another round of the planets. The ship attempts to skim fuel elements from some of the planets as it passes, but it gets basically nothing and attempts to get more by flying closer to the planets will expend more fuel than it gathers. The ship can't go into orbit around Earth because it's going too fast and will cause an extinction event, so the passengers get ejected abruptly using their largest lander. The ship also mentions several times that at their speed, if their magnetic shield fails a small rock will blow them all up; in fact, there was a second generation ship that launched at the same time that blew up for precisely that reason.
This is all explained in great and elaborate detail that some commenters seem not to have deigned to read, because they had such gems as 'why didn't they send someone up to physically slow the ship down or deliver more fuel?' as though you can simply attach a giant parachute to something travelling 160km/s to get it to stop, or as though aerial refuelling a starship travelling at the aforementioned speed is no big deal
Finished a novel about why generation ships/expecting to be able to terraform planets is a stupid idea and there is a surprising number of people who were offended by the fact that someone was pessimistic about the idea of recreating Earth someplace where the transit time just to get there is measurable in centuries
On the new planet (which took over 200 years to get to so the ship is running out of critical resources, as scheduled) the expedition that goes down to check it out contracts a mysterious illness. It’s unlike anything they’ve ever seen and doesn’t respond to the medical treatments they have. They don’t have any idea how to even classify the organism and end up calling it a ‘fast prion.’ They don’t even all agree it IS a prion. Nobody on the ship ever figures out what it is or if it’s even a prion.
There was a comment thread on Goodreads where they were like ‘why didn’t they just cure the prion and continue colonising the planet?’ like ??? Do you know how to read, actually? Because it was explained in detail why they did not whip out a magic cure for the mystery organism
Some of the population stays to try to colonise a nearby planet in the hopes of colonising the target planet in some distant future and the rest of them turn around and go back to Earth. The ship is made of two rings on a spine and they leave half the ship with the people remaining to help their chances of survival.
The ship was not really designed to keep going past the time frame they were supposed to arrive on the new planet, so the delicate ecosystem inside of it starts to collapse and the people on the ship begin to starve.
Comment thread: ‘They have printers that can print anything, why didn’t they just print food???’
The text LITERALLY said in PLAIN ENGLISH that they COULD theoretically grow meat in the lab, but the problem was there was not enough material to do that for long enough to make it back to Earth. Because despite the fact that it’s repeated 700 different ways over the course of the novel, it didn’t get through to these people that the ship was OUT OF RESOURCES
Finished a novel about why generation ships/expecting to be able to terraform planets is a stupid idea and there is a surprising number of people who were offended by the fact that someone was pessimistic about the idea of recreating Earth someplace where the transit time just to get there is measurable in centuries
On the new planet (which took over 200 years to get to so the ship is running out of critical resources, as scheduled) the expedition that goes down to check it out contracts a mysterious illness. It’s unlike anything they’ve ever seen and doesn’t respond to the medical treatments they have. They don’t have any idea how to even classify the organism and end up calling it a ‘fast prion.’ They don’t even all agree it IS a prion. Nobody on the ship ever figures out what it is or if it’s even a prion.
There was a comment thread on Goodreads where they were like ‘why didn’t they just cure the prion and continue colonising the planet?’ like ??? Do you know how to read, actually? Because it was explained in detail why they did not whip out a magic cure for the mystery organism
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Finished a novel about why generation ships/expecting to be able to terraform planets is a stupid idea and there is a surprising number of people who were offended by the fact that someone was pessimistic about the idea of recreating Earth someplace where the transit time just to get there is measurable in centuries
I don't leave public reviews on Goodreads but I just finished a book where the protagonist literally gets his head cut off and dies and then is brought back to life by the literal Christian God (except that's only implied until later in the series) because (again revealed later in the series) the protagonist is actually literally Space Jesus which is just about the worst AND most blatant plot armour I have ever even HEARD of
which is what I am very tempted to leave a review saying
To be quite honest with you all I do think that aro/ace-spectrum fans in fandoms where people are desperately inventing crossover ships and humanizing non-human characters in order to have a conventionally attractive guy to ship the main character with, instead of possibly having to enjoy a story with no romance in it, have the right to refer to everyone else as cowards.
Sorry you almost had to entertain the idea that people like me exist, I'm sure that was very painful for you.
Cool song you've discovered recently?
it's 40k years in the future. there's a subset of humans who are basically robots. they must refer to themselves by 'he', 'she', or 'it' because their ancestors 40 millennia removed decreed it must always be so
what's even worse is when they say this stuff on books featuring actual aliens. they literally think if we found actual aliens they would have the exact same notions of sex and gender and anything else is woke nonsense. like stop being so boring and engage your imagination for once
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it's 40k years in the future. there's a subset of humans who are basically robots. they must refer to themselves by 'he', 'she', or 'it' because their ancestors 40 millennia removed decreed it must always be so
rb and tag your favorite song that's not in english, japanese or korean
I’m so tempted to buy this especially since so many people are scalping it already but I already have so many Threezero figures and they’re going to make more I’ll also want, but even more, if I’m just patient…
I’m losing the ‘don’t buy this’ battle
the preorder went up in 2024 so it's sold out basically everywhere but there was a Canadian site that didn't close theirs so we'll see what happens
Not only do I get one, they shipped it expedited even though I paid for standard
I’m going to get this 4th party Optimus Prime partially because of that amazing axe
this one you can combine the sword and the axe!
Coming soon to Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds:
- 🐢 TMNT: July 2026 - 👨🦲 Avatar Legends: October 2026 - 🔥 Godzilla - 🪽 Evangelion - ❓ More to come!
That's not all! Sonic is speeding into the world of Pico Park, stay tuned for more!
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People are unfazed if you hate women but if you dislike dogs they assume you're a bad person
Tumblr users will read a post complaining about normalized misogyny and hyperfocus on your claim that it's ok to dislike dogs
Yay 💗
