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Child rape is extremely common in the catholic church.

Most survivors of child sexual abuse will tell you they were either accused of lying, or called a slut when telling adults they were sexually abused.

Online grooming is almost never taken seriously by authorities.

The most common reaction a man has when a boy is raped by a woman is "wow, he's lucky, I wish that was me"

The PRESIDENT of the MOST INFLUENTIAL COUNTRY IN THE WORLD was BUDDIES with a guy that had an island SPECIFICALLY for the purpose of TRAFFICKING CHILDREN.

What the fuck are you not understanding? What do I have to say that'll make you realize that youth are not seen as people? The only reason child rape is ever seen as bad isn't because anyone cares about the young person, it's because youth are seen as objects, property of their parents, and a young person being raped means their value as property is lessened.

The only reason anyone ever cares about child predators isn't because they want to prevent a young person being harmed, it's because they make a young person's parents look bad. Very few people would claim to care about child rape if rapists rarely got caught.

Not acknowledging these things doesn't help young people

It does, because they're not true. Man beats his wife and posts about it online, gets (rightfully) dogpiled. Man beats his child and posts about it online, gets praised as a "good father" teaching his kids "respect". Person yells at a dog for being "stupid" and gets posted online, gets dogpiled. Teacher yells at a child for being "stupid" and gets posted online, gets praised for "showing their students what the real world is like" and "saying what everyone is thinking".

The fact that you're so stubborn about the idea that youth are pampered and can point at any adult and go "they looked at me wrong :(" and said adult will immediately be locked up tells me you were pampered as a child and are projecting onto youth now. That is not the experience of the vast majority of youth. Stop thinking it is.

I'm also pretty sure I know who you are and you are not a young person lol

You do not know me. I have made a total of 2 posts on Tumblr since the year began.

That doesn't mean the young people shouldn't have been consulted and heeded, nor did I say that, you fucking fool.

Me: "This guy took pictures of naked little girls with 'parental consent' (and without consent of the girls). There's nothing to celebrate about him."

You: "Um, well, he was paid to do it, so, um, it'a okay that he didn't care about the consent of the children, so, uh, um, you're wrong. (Also I am oppressed by 13 year olds who cannot leave the house without permission from their owners)"

You sure didn't sound like you care about the fact these children were most certainly not asked for their input.

some of the greatest works of English fiction of all time

It should be legal for me to beat you just for the fact you put your own personal opinion about some books into an argument like it's something I should care about.

not at all comparable to slavery (an extremely racist suggestion on your part)

I didn't compare anything to slavery. Are you incapable of reading? I said that you probably have unsavory ideas of slavery if you think it was okay to disregard the opinions of children because "it was normal for the time". Saying "it was normal for their time" is the number one sentence racists use to defend slavery.

However, since you're just straight up lying anyway, I do think the way youth are treated can be compared to slavery.

Enslaved persons are legally considered property. Youth are legally considered property.

Enslaved persons are forced to work for their legal owners without compensation and are physically harmed if they refuse. Youth are forced to work for their legal owners without compensation and are physically harmed if they refuse.

Enslaved persons have no rights. Youth have very little rights and these rights are merely to say "fine, we did something, are you happy now?" rather than actually give youth any freedoms.

Enslaved persons are regularly physically harmed as a form of "discipline" and this is completely legal (in places with no laws on slavery). Youth are regularly physically harmed as a form of "discipline" and this is completely legal.

If it looks, sounds, and acts like slavery, it's probably slavery. Do you also get mad when people point out that prison is legal slavery, or are you just upset at the realization that youth aren't as privileged in the real world as in your little fantasy land?

*You* want him to be a malicious pervert because *you* are a malicious pervert

Allowing someone's owners to pay you to take pictures of them naked without their input is absolutely malicious. And I'm a pervert, sure, but the fact that I don't hate oppressed groups with every fiber of my being makes me far less malicious than you

And I'm not going to defer to your ridiculous hysterics just because you are cosplaying as a minor.

The concept of "hysteria" is misogynistic. Try again. "Minor" is a legal term that exists purely to oppress those under 18, and the fact that you use it as if it's a casual word confirms you do not see youth as people. I already knew that, though. Your type claims to be in support of youth liberation, but you would all immediately drop the entire idea of youth rights if the age of consent was abolished but everything else stayed the same.

I truly do wish I were simply "cosplaying as a minor". Unfortunately, I have to watch privileged adults that have faced no hardship in their life claim that I have power over them, when I can't even go outside because my parents won't allow me.

Especially since you don't believe young people are capable of consent to begin with lol

Firstly, I think young people are capable of consent. Young people consent to things all the time. "Consent" does not refer exclusively to sexual consent, and I fear for the safety of the people around you if you think it does. I also think that young people are capable of sexual consent, they consent to their peers all the time. I also just think that adults should always politely decline any advances from young people, because adults inherently have a massive amount of power over youth that gives them the ability to ruin a young person's life very easily.

An adult grows tired of their young partner, all it takes is finding the young partner's parents and telling them "hey, your slut of a kid tried to fuck me. I totally told them no, though" and the young person is grounded for ages at best and literally at risk of being murdered at worst. A young person grows tired of their adult partner, and they'll have to tell their parents, then tell the police, then testify in court, for a chance of getting the adult in trouble.

Also, youth are told from birth that adults are wiser, more mature, and overall superior to them. This tends to make the idea of being liked by an adult enticing to a young person, so it becomes far easier for an adult to convince a young person into having sex with them, than it would be to convince another adult. A relationship that only formed because one person has an unrealistic idea about the other person, which is what a large amount of youth/adult relationships are, is not ever going to be healthy.

Secondly: "If you won't let adults use you as a sex toy, I'm not listening to you!"

How the fuck do you type this out, reread it, and think "yup. i'm the good person here"? There is literally no good way I can interpret this. You are just straight up saying that the opinions of anti-contact young people don't matter because they refuse to make themselves available to adults. What the fuck is wrong with you?

Everything you say reinforces the fact that behind every "pro-youthlib" pro-contact is a raging adult supremacist. Young people that don't act like the submissive lolis in your hentai that degrade themselves for adult approval are all actually just adults cosplaying as "minors", but if they do turn out to be actual youth, their opinions don't matter anyway because they refuse to degrade themselves for adult approval. You're genuinely evil

That's a whole lot of nonsense you've gone on and on about. And it all stems from the same idiotic assumptions you've carried this entire time. It makes me wonder if you are genuinely brain dead or if you are simply a malicious reactionary. You've certainly lied more than enough to make the latter case.

First, I have never once stated that I disagree that young people are not seen as people. My claim, very precisely, is that THEY ARE PEOPLE, YOU FUCKING DOLT. They have agency, they are capable of speaking for themselves, they organize as political groups, and their efforts are to be supported and fortified.

YOU treat young people like property when you consistently deny them autonomy, deny them their right to consent ON THEIR OWN BEHALF, and deny them access to greater political authority in the name of "protecting" them. YOU MAKE YOUNG PEOPLE'S LIVES WORSE, AND THAT IS A STATISTICAL FACT.

YOU are insinuating that I only care about sex when I do not. YOU are telling me that YOU believe young people are property. I care about the total social liberation of young people and their reintegration into society as such. I include the entire erotic dimension (which is also not just sex, you malicious pervert), because it is young people's right to decide who they will or will not have RELATIONSHIPS with, you fascist freak. My pro-c stance is 1. politico-philosophical, and 2. DOESN'T MEAN I WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH YOUNG PEOPLE RIGHT NOW, YOU FUCKING DUNCE. What my stance actually is with respect to contact, is that erotic relationships with young people are not inherently harmful. The data that currently exists, shoddy as the research is, supports my position completely. Young people who engaged in relations with older people that were caring and non-coercive do not interpret their experiences as harmful. To say nothing of iatrogenic harm. YOU ARE TALKING OVER YOUNG PEOPLE, NOT ME.

I believe that a non-coercive, caring society that treats young people as human beings is not only possible, but inevitable. I believe that young people should have a basic income for financial independence. They should have safe, fully-staffed housing provided for them when and as they need to flee bad homes. I believe that the nuclear family should be abolished so the abuses of parents and family, which make up the bulk of abuse cases, will be subject to redress by the community, who should rear youth collectively. Young people should have youth and student unions, like they already have in the DPRK, as organs of independent power against any adult forces. Education should be reoriented entirely toward production so that not only will education not act as a de facto caste system, but rather train youth and adults in whatever pursuits they choose. I believe that their relationships are theirs to decide, whatever form they take. I believe that regular abuse laws work just fine without the need for an extraneous layer of "protective" laws that limit their freedom instead of, idk, ACTUALLY UPHOLDING THEIR FUCKING WILL, SOMETHING YOU CLEARLY DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT. If anything, age should itself be a protected category by the current standard definition, which would give them the same civil rights as ALL OPPRESSED PEOPLE.

Your entire problem is the obvious category mistake that you intentionally keep making, almost as if your arguments are shit because you don't actually know shit. I demonstrably care more than you about ending abuse, which is indeed pervasive and real. And I care more than you about this BECAUSE I AM OPPRESSED AS A MAP FOR SEEING YOUNG PEOPLE AS FULL PEOPLE, YOU DENSE FUCKING TOOL. We KNOW MAPs are oppressed BY OTHER ADULTS because THIS IS HAS BEEN STUDIED AND IS CURRENTLY BEING STUDIED. We have greater empathy for young people, we care more about their autonomy, we often undermine our power as adults FOR THEIR SAKE AND TO OUR DETRIMENT, leading professionals in combatting child abuse agree with us, and you, some dumbass on Tumblr with no sources for ANYTHING you've said so far, are somehow in the right? Give me a fucking break.

So, let me tell you about MAP oppression and why I hold my positions. MAPs are, as a category, poorer, more mentally disordered, discriminated against legally in employment, housing, and healthcare. MAPs are often imprisoned for no crime at all, to say nothing of crimes without victims. MAPs are conflated with child abusers (the very conflation you're making), which contributes to higher rates of actual abuse. (You're doing this too.) MAPs are grievously more suicidal than the average, especially MAPs who have been known to have offended. MAPs, including pro-c, mostly do not offend regardless, because even if it were legal, it obviously carries great risk of harm to one or both parties. And even if MAPs do offend, the risks that are particular to MAPs are literally the most grievous harms possible: the full power of the state marshalled to imprison us and often to get us killed and/or repeatedly raped in prison on purpose; the agreed social consent of the whole of society's adults to take their rage out on us to the point of MURDERS THAT ARE OFTEN NOT PROSECUTED. MAPs, in brief, are grotesquely oppressed and young people wield all of the foregoing power SPECIFICALLY AGAINST US BECAUSE WE DO NOT RAPE OR ABUSE THEM. We care about young people more than the average adult and that is a FACT.

Even if I accept that you are a youth and not exactly the person I know who loves to masquerade as a young person, you are still a garden variety bigot against MAPs and you, to put the most poignant punchline on top of it all, statistically reinforce adult supremacy! Lmao I am educating you because you do not know about anything. Like, you think you know better than the Youth League of the Gay Liberation Front? One of the most powerful gay liberation movements that ever existed? Have some fucking shame.

firstly, it was also a common practice at the time for adults to abuse their children. even more so than now. the fact that you think this was okay because "it was normal at the time!" tells me you most certainly have unsavory ideas about slavery

secondly, "it wasn't with parental consent... it was just with parental consent!" did you even reread this before posting it? how did you click post on this and not immediately delete it out of embarrassment? alice day is centered around a man that took nude photos of little girls with parental consent. you didn't refute what i said at all. in fact, you only reinforced what i said by acknowledging that the parents not only consented, but specifically wanted these pictures.

If young people were allowed to kill adults without consequence, they'd kill a lot more people like you than me lol

i am a Young People, shithead. but you assumed i was an adult because, like every other asshole pro-c, you don't realize youth can have their own opinions. someone disagreeing with you must be an adult because youth are either compliant sex toys who should agree with everything you say (if you find them attractive) or simply don't exist or deserve rights (if you don't find them attractive)

are you a troll, or do you just truly hate children so much that you think mumbling "ok, maybe we shouldn't beat kids for going out of line with what their parents want, i guess" is generous enough for you to be considered pro-youthlib?

either way, kill yourself and maybe the person that replaces your spot will grow up to not be such a raging adultist

Again, you are just hallucinating things that were not said and contorting the rest to be deliberately obtuse. I'm also pretty sure I know who you are and you are not a young person lol. The point was not to say that it was "normal at the time", idiot. It was to describe the agency as being largely from the parents, not Dodgson. You have a problem with child nudity, but it wasn't particularly controversial at the time. You actually just have a reactionary view of nudity, more reactionary than 19th-century Englishmen too, which is impressive. That doesn't mean the young people shouldn't have been consulted and heeded, nor did I say that, you fucking fool.

Every single adult that claims they are oh so oppressed by the group they can legally abuse as long as they get permission from a third party (the youth's parents) should be beat until they are too scared to form any more opinions.

There is not a single truly pro-youthlib pro-c MAP, and I'm actually not even sure there's any pro-youthlib adults at all. There's always some sort of catch, and it's almost always "this group that is seen as no more than property by both society and the law is oppressing me".

I wish the sentence "young people also have power over (adults)" were true. I really do. Unfortunately, it isn't, so all I can do is fantasize about a world where youth are allowed to kill any adults they want without consequence. Shame.

I appreciate your integrity and honesty! Reactionaries usually don't have well-supported positions, which is why I keep responding to their hysterical messages publicly. In point of fact, I am a revolutionary and I've devoted my life to social justice and liberation.

Instead of considering that I could potentially know more than them and that I might actually have reasons for believing what I do, reactionaries basically just throw tantrums and pretend I'm advocating for rape and abuse. In fact, I'm being more productive in my life toward ending abuse than they are. I certainly have radical beliefs when it comes to map and youth liberation, but these are only meaningful concepts when we integrate the advanced political desires of youth themselves.

This latter point requires evening the playing field between adults and youth, and that means that adults won't always get what we want. But more than anything, we should want to abolish our domination as adults over young people. We should seek to liberate them from mental and political stultification, from the stamping out of their innate creative consciousness, and from the adultist institutions and laws that treat them as property of their parents and the state.

you support pedophiles and rapists and you’re finding excuses because you KNOW it’s wrong. fucking waste of air