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uhhhh…PERSONAL ANECDOTE TIME

For me at least, the different-ness felt innate. It wasn’t so much a “need” but a “this is how I am. I’m different. I can’t help it. I’m going to take advantage of this.”

Anyway, someone who is aware that they’re different is going to study the discrepancies between them and everyone else, and whenever they acknowledge this, all of the non-4s in the vicinity are going to say “Ohhhh there goes 4 again, talking about how different (s)he is.” Which can easily look like the 4 is boasting about being different. Depending upon the 4, this may or may not be the case. btw whenever ppl call 4s “self-absorbed” this is what theyre talking about

It’s important to remember that a lot of 4 descriptions were…not written by 4s lol

What do you mean by “average and normal?” I’m ok with being average in the sense that I’m not especially ambitious career-wise, but I NEED to stand out in other contexts: being memorable, the way I dress, how I decorate etc. It’s not necessarily driven by the urge to impress people (altho if they are impressed, that’s great lol) it’s just that I’m hyper vigilant of whether or not something suits me.

Example: If I’m out shopping for work clothes, I won’t settle for something just for the sake of having business-casual clothing. If I try something on and don’t feel like myself in it, I won’t buy it. If it’s not “me,” It’s not enough for something to look tasteful. It HAS to be me.

Worth noting that, whenever I reached a healthier mindset, I took on the “I don’t have to prove shit to you lol” attitude. Idk if that’s an integration thing, or just a personal thing. Normally I’d associate that with Fi but I’m just…not an Fi user.

As godofwhineandtits, said fours know their different, it’s already set in stone, their no point in trying too change it. This is why we tend to come off as pretentious special snowflakes to non-fours. That and our motive, authenticity. This is when we try to separate ourselves from the rest of crowd (consciously or not), we feel as though we our losing ourselves if we act too “normal”. If it’s not “me” we won’t go with it.

These three personality types have common assets and liabilities which involve their feelings. When these types are healthy, their feelings are the focus of what is admirable about their personalities, enabling them to become highly valued for their interpersonal qualities. When they are unhealthy, however, their emotions are out of balance in one way or another.

These three personality types have common assets and liabilities which involve thinking. When these types are healthy, their remarkable insights, ideas, and ability to understand things is unequaled by the other personality types: they are frequently responsible for outstanding practical, creative, or scientific achievements. When they are unhealthy, however, their thinking gets out of balance in one way or another.

These three personality types have in common assets and liabilities which involve instinct. When they are healthy, these types relate to their environment and to others exceptionally well, responding from a deep wisdom within themselves, frequently as leaders of one kind or another. However, when they are unhealthy, they become out of balance with how they relate to the world and other people.

Both Ones and Eights are in the Instinctive Triad, both have strong wills, both are action-oriented, and both have strong notions about how to do things. However, Ones try to convince others to do the right thing (as they see it) from the standpoint of a moral imperative–because it is the right thing to do. They try to logically convince the other of the soundness of their views, but become irritated and less logical when others resists their reasoning. Eights, on the other hand, rely on their own self-confidence, and attempt to sway others by their gutsy convictions and sheer personal charisma. (“I don’t know if it’s the right way, but it’s my way.”) Ones try toconvert those who resist them: Eights try to power through them.

The greatest misunderstanding between these two types involves their concern with justice, although the nature of their sense of justice can be quite different. Ones hold justice as an extremely important value–many judges, attorneys, advocates, and criminal prosecutors actually are Ones. Ones think a great deal about issues of providing suitable standards for human beings and about the specifics of how to administer a fair and equitable system. Ones at all Levels of Development refer to justice and think that they seek justice (no matter how skewed their interpretation of it may become). In any case, justice is a matter of principles–part of their idealism. They strive after justice and want to rectify injustices wherever they find them because, among other reasons, to do otherwise would be to fail to live up to their high moral standards and make them feel guilty.

In Eights, justice is more of a visceral response, a reaction to witnessing injustices occurring. Eights, generally speaking, do not walk around thinking about these matters, but if they saw a helpless person being harmed or bullied by others, without thinking about it, Eights would rush in to “level the playing field.” For Eights, justice has little to do with abstract principles. Eights see themselves as protectors of others, and when they are healthy, they actually are. Eights are more likely to seek justice for “their people"–their family, friends, co-workers, ethnic group, and so forth. It is usually expressed in a concern that those in their care (or under their power and authority) be treated fairly. The cowboy marshal protecting the town against criminals and the union chief negotiating a just wage for the rank and file are examples of this more restricted concern for justice. With Eights, the sense of justice usually involves addressing an imbalance of power. This is quite different from the One who seeks to make sure that people are appropriately rewarded for good actions and punished for bad ones.

Of course, in their unhealthy manifestations, both types can be extremelyunjust. Ones will still believe that they are being fair–the punishments they are meting out are for the good of the person being punished, or at the very least, for the good of society. Ones feel they need to rationalize their punitive activities. Eights do not. For unhealthy Eights, administering justice is simply meting out vengeance. (“You hurt me or my people, and I’ll destroy you.” “He ripped me off. Now he has to pay.”) Needless to say, others may question the “justice” in either of these types’ unhealthy behavior.