Robert and Lyanna would be miserable actually
Yes, it would still be better than a catastrophic civil war that killed thousands of innocent people. That's also completely beside the point, their personal happiness is not correlated with the moral value of feudal engagement contracts or the moral cost of breaking them. No, this is not me arguing that she would be perfectly happy with Rhaegar if only it wasn't for the war. Robert-Lyanna and Rhaegar-Lyanna do not exist in a mutually exclusive binary of happiness. Both of these relationships can suck and end in misery for all parties involved in their own different way.
The subject at hand is the personal relationship potential of a normal marriage between Robert and Lyanna. Waaaaay too many people seem to have swallowed Robert's manic pixie dream girl delusions regarding Lyanna and in what I can only describe as anti Targ fervor, contrarianismed themselves into the position of saying "ackchyually they would happy if only Lyanna just gave Robert a chance, Ned is wrong".
Yeah. Nah. Allow me to explain why.
Let's start from the biggest basis for this "happy with Robert" fantasy that comes up in every discussion. AFFC chapters of Cersei mentioning how Robert invited her to hunts and various outings during their early marriage which she hated and eventually snapped back at him, causing a fight and Robert giving up on inviting her anywhere.
The common interpretation of these are that Robert was trying to build a relationship with her but Cersei just didn't appreciate his efforts and Lyanna would love to be outdoors. Sounds about right. Except, of course, all these activities Robert kept pestering her to join were all things Robert enjoyed and would do on his own anyway. Robert can't be arsed to find out what Cersei wants. He can't be arsed to ask her neither. He just tries to drag her along to what he wants to do and what happens when Cersei eventually gets fed up? He beats her. And then never bothers to connect with her again.
This isn't a case of Robert showing attention to Cersei which is ungratefully fails to reciprocate. This is Robert half assedly pushing his wife around and then flipping his shit when she says enough. Robert does as he pleases and if people don't wanna accommodate him, he turns hostile and drops them like a hot potato.
And this behavior isn't unique to his interactions with Cersei. Robert does this to everyone. His brothers, his friends, his advisors. There is a reason he is surrounded almost exclusively by lickspittles, traitors and Lannister spies in AGOT, and it's not because he is oh so caring about other people's concerns and interests. People who don't care for his wellbeing have no problem indulging him and telling him what he wants to hear, and in turn are indulged by him. Meanwhile anyone trying to raise legitimate issues or push back on his hedonistic nonsense becomes persona non grata.
An entire council, almost all them knew he was being cuckholded, his own brother included and no one can dare tell him. Why? They know he won't listen.
People also extrapolate from these Cersei chapters and Robert's overall interest in hunting and hawking that Robert wanted an athletic, outdoors type girl, a "not like other girls" type instead of the more "traditionally feminine" Cersei and since Lyanna is supposed to be exactly that, they would work out.
Except, we do know the kind of women Robert likes to be with, and they are not anything like Lyanna. And no, I am not just talking about the fact that overwhelming majority of them are serving wenches or prostitutes who cannot say no to him even if they wanted to.
From serving girls at the Eyrie to coy widows of his vassals to virgin nobles to whores, they are all cheerful, eager to please and admiring of him. Precisely none of those traits are present in Lyanna.
Lyanna as we know her is wild, confrontational and willful. She rushes to fight the squires attacking Howland Reed, she pours a cup of wine over her own brother's head for a simple jest, she refuses to let go of the grudge against the squires and escalates to the point of joining the tourney as a mystery knight and then elopes with a married man with kids instead of marrying her bethrothal arranged for her. She is hotheaded, proud and stubborn.
Do you know who else is hotheaded, proud and stubborn? Someone confrontational and willful? Cersei.
There in lies the main confusion regarding Robert. Cersei is such an evil piece of shit, such a deranged psychopath, it colors people's perception of their marriage. Cersei is cuckholding him, cheating on him constantly, trying (and eventually succeeding) to kill him. But Robert doesn't know any of that. No, just because he doesn't know, doesn't mean he wasn't harmed by it. But the point isn't "harm". It's behavior.
And what he doesn't know, cannot inform it. Robert doesn't resent Cersei because of her bastards. He isn't beating her because she is cheating on him. He is doing it because she talks back at him, makes demands of him, gets in his face and pushes back. And for that, he beats her.
As far as Robert is concerned, Cersei is an exceptionally beautiful woman who bore him 3 healthy children including 2 sons. Her father is bankrolling his hedonistic spendthrift lifestyle. And he beats her and resents her because "She is nagging me Ned. She is so annoying Ned. She is so uppity Ned".
What happens when Lyanna talks back at him? When she confronts him about his drinking? When she doesn't wanna go to the Estermonts'?
Some apologists hide behind the excuse that Robert only became like that after the war, but as far as we know from AGOT, his vices have always been there. Robert was a serial philanderer and drunkard long before the rebellion. He was just in his teens, keeping him fit. He didn't "gain" new bad habits post war via PTSD. He just got older and his metabolism stopped bailing him out.
"Oh if Robert wasn't king he would be fit!" There was nothing stopping him from keeping a proper training regimen. He literally has zero authorities above him, he could just spar with his KG every morning and could choose to eat less. And as the Lord of Storm's End, he wasn't going to have any less autonomy in his personal life. The King doesn't bother pestering his vassals about their weight. Iron Throne doesn't have fitness tests for Lord Paramounts.
"Oh, but he would be able to join tourneys and that would keep him fit!" First of all, there aren't enough tourneys in not 10, let alone 1 westeros to spend all those calories. And tourneys aren't modern Olympics. There are no weight requirements. There are no rigorous health checkups he needs to make. He can be as fat and drunk as he wants and he wouldn't be denied entry as the Lord of Stormlands.
And neither hunting nor hawking are lazy hobbies. They require a lot of physical effort and yet, he was still severely obese.
Robert wasn't exactly "busy" running the realm. This isn't a guy locked behind a desk with mounting responsibilities which kept him from paying attention to his health, prevented him from exercising. He barely bothers holding court, attends small council meetings never. He was free to do as he pleased while all the real work fell onto his subordinates. And what did he choose to with his time? Whoring, drinking, eating, hunting, hawking. All hobbies he had long before there was any rebellion.
Robert's attitude in bed also deserves a mention, albeit a smaller one. He is a brute. He brutalizes Cersei from the very first. Lyanna might be super outdoorsy, but how willing would she be to ride around on horseback if she was mauled the night before with sores all over he body, maybe a tear in her vagina? How "receptive" will she be of Robert's attempts to "connect" with her when he keeps pinching her breasts to the point of near blood and blaming it all on alcohol when asked to "please stop hurting me?"
The argument always seems to be that "Robert wouldn't do that to Ned's sister." Yet Robert doesn't show no such care to Ned's children.
Robert believes in some magic from Lyanna that would fix all his troubles and a portion of the fandom also seems to think there is indeed some magic in Lyanna that's gonna give Robert a complete personality transplant.
Yet there doesn't seem to be any magic in this setting that can change a man's nature. Resurrections, dragons, undead armies, scrying, mental projections, mind control, prophesies and time travel galore, yet not one spell that can turn a man into a better one like a light switch.
Lyanna cannot fix Robert. She cannot fix Rhaegar neither. Nor is it her job. You all have to let this one go.













