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âthis is the hill you want to die on?â oh no i just love arguing. i fully intend to leave this hill once it gets boring. sorry for the confusion!
i fully intend to just grab a piece of wood and fuckin slide down this hill once im done
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The recent conversation about atheism reminded me about how weird it is that people are mocking the idea that not everyone who's pagan is a convert from Christianity.
I know there's a number of atheist, Jewish, and soft poly pagans, but the part they seem to mock the most is the idea that anyone could have been raised pagan.
The 1950s was 70 years ago. That's 4 generations or more than could be practicing some form of neopaganism, and raising their children to do the same.
Hell, the most well-known coven leader where I went to college was in her 70s in 2005 and had photographic evidence of being practicing in the 1950s and 60s. Never mind the fucking Cabots.
Let's add numbers to this:
In 2007 and 2014, the Pew Research Religious Landscape Study reported that neopagans (including Wiccans) counted for approximately .03% of the US population. It skews a little in the midwest, where in the Bible Belt, they might be even as much as 1% of a state's population (based on reporting).
If those numbers are valid, the population of the US was between 300M and 350M. The study specified adults, which would adjust our population to 200M and 273M adults (US Census Data). Interestingly, the percentage of the population that is adults increased by about 10% over the last 20 years.
That puts the number of potential pagan adults you could encounter as roughly 600K to 850K. According to the Pagan Census (pub 2003), roughly 41% of respondents had children. I would expect that that has decreased over time to follow similar trends to the general population.
Do all parents involve their children in their practices? No, of course not. Do all children who are raised as pagans become pagan adults? No, conversion to other religions is still high and atheism is a rising population in the US.
Let's take a very low estimate.
Let's say that there are 750000 pagans in the US (middle cut).
Let's say that 40% have at least 1 child.
300,000 parents. 300,000+ children.
Let's say only half become pagan adults. 60,000+ in one generation.
(Note: These are all based on voluntary self-reporting, so I expect there's a heavy skew).
Why don't people declare themselves as generational pagans? Perceived risk.
Negative reactions from fellow pagans regarding generational paganism and 'fam trad' paganism.
Negative reactions from Christian relatives.
Social biases - including those in the family court/CPS, employers and landlords.
Secretive religious practices (closed beliefs)
(Personal opinion) Dislike of small group drama.
Other interesting reads: Pagan Families, Huffpost, | Family Myths (Meta Analysis) | Opening the Broom Closet (Meta Analysis). Includes sample cases. While evidence was sufficient in multiple cases for the judgment, religion was specifically invoked as a deciding factor.
The recent conversation about atheism reminded me about how weird it is that people are mocking the idea that not everyone who's pagan is a convert from Christianity.
I know there's a number of atheist, Jewish, and soft poly pagans, but the part they seem to mock the most is the idea that anyone could have been raised pagan.
The 1950s was 70 years ago. That's 4 generations or more than could be practicing some form of neopaganism, and raising their children to do the same.
Hell, the most well-known coven leader where I went to college was in her 70s in 2005 and had photographic evidence of being practicing in the 1950s and 60s. Never mind the fucking Cabots.
I was thinking earlier today about how it still seems exceptionally rare that someone is raised pagan â in a little over a decade doing pagan, as it were, I think Iâve come across only one example. I mean Iâm sure it happens and/or has happened in some cases but on the whole it still feels anomalous.
When something feels anomalous to you, is your first reaction to mock it or call the person a liar?
With the attitude I described above, would you feel comfortable telling people your family is pagan more than once?
No.
Not with that attitude, no, but that doesnât necessarily mean anything; not really sure what your point is. Even if we assume that the attitude you described is almost universal among non-pagans (which would be quite the assumption) that wouldnât really have much to do with what I said; which was primarily in relation to a pagan POV where second-gen â or third-gen, etc â practitioners still seem exceptionally-thin on the ground.
What do you think the point of the original post was, and why did you conclude that I was describing an attitude specifically among non-pagans?
The recent conversation about atheism reminded me about how weird it is that people are mocking the idea that not everyone who's pagan is a convert from Christianity.
I know there's a number of atheist, Jewish, and soft poly pagans, but the part they seem to mock the most is the idea that anyone could have been raised pagan.
The 1950s was 70 years ago. That's 4 generations or more than could be practicing some form of neopaganism, and raising their children to do the same.
Hell, the most well-known coven leader where I went to college was in her 70s in 2005 and had photographic evidence of being practicing in the 1950s and 60s. Never mind the fucking Cabots.
I was thinking earlier today about how it still seems exceptionally rare that someone is raised pagan â in a little over a decade doing pagan, as it were, I think Iâve come across only one example. I mean Iâm sure it happens and/or has happened in some cases but on the whole it still feels anomalous.
When something feels anomalous to you, is your first reaction to mock it or call the person a liar?
With the attitude I described above, would you feel comfortable telling people your family is pagan more than once?
Just found out that back in Rome grave markers sometimes had holes in them for people to pour drinks into so new conversation starter: What would mourners pour into your grave hole
Really strong coffee or scalding tea - just to make sure I'm actually dead, probably.
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The recent conversation about atheism reminded me about how weird it is that people are mocking the idea that not everyone who's pagan is a convert from Christianity.
I know there's a number of atheist, Jewish, and soft poly pagans, but the part they seem to mock the most is the idea that anyone could have been raised pagan.
The 1950s was 70 years ago. That's 4 generations or more than could be practicing some form of neopaganism, and raising their children to do the same.
Hell, the most well-known coven leader where I went to college was in her 70s in 2005 and had photographic evidence of being practicing in the 1950s and 60s. Never mind the fucking Cabots.
FREYJA protect whistle-blowers, truth-leakers, justice-workers, and those marginalized everywhere by a frightened, powerful few
LOKI'S torchlight lead the way toward just reversals and breaking oppressive cycles, a Phoenix from the ashes of despair, renewed
THOR defend us with steel and thunder and fierce love of the common people, even against giants
FENRIR show us how to break chains and howl our collective power, when we are bound and tricked
May ODIN'S sight seek out and drag all tyrrany enacted in secret into the light, laying wounds bare so healing can begin.
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Since graduating with my M.A., Iâve been working to help make academic resources more accessible (while also trying to create a career for myself as an academic). My solution so far has been to make this website, fjorns-hall.com, to provide reliable and accessible information about Norse history, literature, and lore for everyone at a fair price.
Although most of my courses and resources are behind a modest paywall (no more than $10/month), I still offer a fair amount of free content:
Lore Tome: Loki (with 14 sources & 67 entires, so far)
Academic Library (with 31+ books listed, so far)
Digital Library (with 27+ resources listed, so far)
Saga Library (with 162+ translations listed, so far)
Lesson 1.1: The âVikingsâ (1387 words) + its lecture (10:22)
Lesson 1:Â Healing from Gods, Magic, and Runes (1758 words) + its lecture (12:34)
Lesson 1: Days (and the Norse Conception of Time) (1114 words) + its lecture (8:00)
Lesson 1a: The Northern Environment (749 words) + Lesson 1b: Iceland and the North Atlantic (506 words) + their lecture (8:12)
Lesson 1: What Are Land-Spirits? (1152 words) + its lecture (8:19)
Lesson 1: Sighvatâs Journey (881 words)
More free content will become available as I write more courses (since every 1st lesson is free) and create more libraries (Iâm planning an Old Norse one for the near future). Nevertheless, this content takes a lot of time to prepare, so I canât make everything free (time is precious and living is quite expensive). If youâre able to (and have the drive to learn more), then I hope youâll be able to support the website by subscribing. If not, thatâs okay! Just showing your support with a like, reblog, or follow goes a long way, too.
How I imagine the interaction between Eros and Aphrodite goes after Eros accidently injures himself:
(LINK)
I would like to just put this here...:
The Anacreontea, Fragment 35 : "Eros (Love) once failed to notice a bee that was sleeping among the roses, and he was wounded: he was struck in the finger, and he howled. He ran and flew to beautiful Kythere (Cytherea) [Aphrodite] and said, âI have been killed, mother, killed. I am dying. I was struck by the small winged snake that farmers call the bee.â She replied, âIf the bee-sting is painful, what pain, Eros, do you suppose all your victims suffer.â"
I keep seeing the same sort of thing lobbed around the last day or two.Â
Like, âyou should abandon your religion and symbols because Nazis are using themâ - I mean, modern Nazis hide behind Christianity just as much (if not more).Â
Like, âthe weirdos that consider themselves pagan in 2021âł - like, what would be the alternative to you?Â
Technically the nazis co-opted pre-Christian symbols first and religions that use those symbols have every right to take them back.*
*Heathens donât get to âreclaimâ the swastika though seriously itâs on like two runestones and if Native Americans and Eastern faiths can agree to not use or minimize its use BECAUSE itâs a globally recognized symbol of hate so can you
Iâm reading this as âOther religions had their symbols and Naziâs stole them firstâ. Is that the correct understanding?
Iâll admit, this post came out of general disgust at some outspoken Christian and Culturally-Christian Atheist types using January 6th as a bludgeoning tool against a handful of minority religions instead of taking out their own trash.Â
That includes misrepresenting a conversation between Jewish and Pagan folks comparing notes on how Christians treat them as âpagans co-opting Jewish sufferingâ and referring to Christianity as a modern religion with the implication that all others are ⌠not.Â
Itâs complicated. My understanding is that yes, many symbols like the swastika (which has a bunch of variations) are very old, but then German romanticism (if weâre talking nazi symbols specifically) misinterpreted those symbols because nationalism (and at that point pre-Christian religions like Heathenry were dead), then the nazis come along and adopt these symbols and now the swastika has become a symbol of genocide, so much so that a group of Native Americans (Navaho, I think?) signed a declaration that they would not use the symbol, because even though itâs sacred to them, itâs a symbol of hate now.
The shape that is used for swastikas are/were used in a lot of religious practices. The Navajo were among several tribes/nations who âretiredâ the similar symbol in their own culture bother immediately following WWII and again within the last ten years.Â
The Nazi specific swastika is also illegal in a few countries, among them those favored by WWII Nazi war-criminals fleeing justice. Pointedly, there are also crosses that are listed as banned/illegal in those countries for the same reasons.Â
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I keep seeing the same sort of thing lobbed around the last day or two.Â
Like, âyou should abandon your religion and symbols because Nazis are using themâ - I mean, modern Nazis hide behind Christianity just as much (if not more).Â
Like, âthe weirdos that consider themselves pagan in 2021âł - like, what would be the alternative to you?Â
Technically the nazis co-opted pre-Christian symbols first and religions that use those symbols have every right to take them back.*
*Heathens donât get to âreclaimâ the swastika though seriously itâs on like two runestones and if Native Americans and Eastern faiths can agree to not use or minimize its use BECAUSE itâs a globally recognized symbol of hate so can you
Iâm reading this as âOther religions had their symbols and Naziâs stole them firstâ. Is that the correct understanding?
Iâll admit, this post came out of general disgust at some outspoken Christian and Culturally-Christian Atheist types using January 6th as a bludgeoning tool against a handful of minority religions instead of taking out their own trash.Â
That includes misrepresenting a conversation between Jewish and Pagan folks comparing notes on how Christians treat them as âpagans co-opting Jewish sufferingâ and referring to Christianity as a modern religion with the implication that all others are ... not.Â
witchy aces: is there some other way you look at ingredients or witchy love symbols that fits your asexuality? i feel like so many things are associated with lust, romantic passion, aphrodisiacs, sex, eros, etc, and i donât want to lock myself out of using things like rose, jasmine, ylang ylang, cherries, apples, red candles, and stuff. does anyone have any creative ideas or perspectives for how to reimagine these intentions for my workings? thanks
What makes you feel loved? What reminds you of feeling love yourself?Â
My go to for âloved/lovingâ is a bit of homemade bread, my fatherâs pocket watch, a letter I wrote for someone i was romantically involved with, candies I associate with the first time I fell in love, merlot... the list goes on.Â
I hope pagans of colour know how loved and valued you are <3
I keep seeing the same sort of thing lobbed around the last day or two.Â
Like, âyou should abandon your religion and symbols because Nazis are using themâ - I mean, modern Nazis hide behind Christianity just as much (if not more).Â
Like, âthe weirdos that consider themselves pagan in 2021âł - like, what would be the alternative to you?Â
steve rogers is a lot smarter than people give him credit for
A hell of a lot smarter. Actual Genius.
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Me: I need a library card, but I just moved so I donât have an ID with my address or any mail with it.
Librarian: -slides me a blank library postcard- Write your address on this like it would be mailed to you.
Me: Sure?
Librarian: -takes it back- Great! Now we have mail with your address on it!
Me: âŚdoes it really work that way?
Librarian: the rules donât say it DOESNâT work that way. Hereâs your new library card!
Librarians are the most dangerous magic users because they can aquire infinite knowlege
âThere actually isnât a rule that says I canât cast this spell. I checked.â
âWhich book?â
âA L L O F T H E M.â
My mom just told me youâre not a woman until you get blood on nearly every pair of pants you love. I was like, âwhat if you donât have periods?â And she said âI didnât say it had to be your own.â
I thought this was going to be cissexist and I was pleasantly surprised.
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