evil ass bilesbian (true)

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idk if you'll even accept this as proof since it's well.. in person stories ive been told. it's hard always to give digital writing since a not all lesbians thought to write down their labels for the future to read it, more just passed it down verbally to younger queer people. but i know lesboys date back before the 90s since a couple in my town are in their 70s and are lesboys, they've called themselves lesbian boys for as long as they can remember. they've also talked about being grouped in with butch women since sometimes simplifying labels was easier for nonqueers to understand, especially given the time they grew up in. i know a lot of lesbians who are boys in some way since various elders are two-spirit or multigender in my tribal area (the ones that do identify as men that is, not all 2s and multigender people id as men obviously).

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this is just false and sorta funny to me. sorry, were you there before the internet to actively count every one and know for sure there was a small amount? there's been lesboys and boy lesbians documented back multiple decades alongside various other lesbians. even trans man who are fully binary have been documented long before the internet was around. the only reason they seem rare back then was, yknow, lack of internet in it's current state. not everyone back then went to events to document their label, not everyone was out of the closet, not everyone had their identity respected. multiple lesboys were grouped as just butch women, so were multiple trans men who identified as lesbians back then. if this is part of the reason your definition excludes them that's more so.. a lack of awareness around history?

also lesbian has changed definitions multiple times so why are you acting like lesboys never counted alongside the changes? there was a time when it meant any form of wlw or adjacent since bisexuals and pansexuals were called lesbians. there was a time when lesbian was called female loving female, and excluded trans and intersex women. there was a time lesbians discriminated against nonbinary and other labels since they werent even considered real to some. some people still use these above examples as well. the definition changed various times over the years. but what hasn't changed is the people who called themselves one. trans, cis, intersex women, nonbinary people, transmascs, trans men, girlboys, bigenders, genderfluids. any other label, they've always been part of lesbianism, the only reason they weren't counted was transphobia, exorsexism, intersexism, or racism, all very common factors. these factors still happen as well. to not count that is to blatantly erase history itself to fit exclus definitions. i understand you won't change since you've proven you don't adapt much. like when you were told non men and non women has racist roots yet still decide to use both in definitions. disappointing more than anything.

this makes a lot of sense,I'm sorry and thank you for informing me. Also I did try to edit all my posts using the racist definition as I wasn't sure it was racist at the time ! if any of my posts still have that definition please let me know :)

I'm honestly a bit scared to openly identify as proqueer lately,and I think that's why I come off as exclusinist and I'm sorry. that's not my goal. and I realize this isn't an excuse,I just don't want anyone to think I have bad intentions.

also you said you can't keep track of identities back then as well which makes sense,but then how do you know a lot of lesboys were called butches?/genq

also I'm genuinely curious of your sources of lesboys existing specifically before ~1950

I think because the term originally used to mean people who aren't men with attraction to people who usually aren't men

yes lesboys existed but there were so few of them it doesn't feel fair imo to change the entire definition of lesbianism

im not saying they can't be,I'm saying I don't believe they are a part of lesbianism. I know they exist,and I know they are valid. My definition of lesbianism is just different than others,and I think that's okay !

sweetqueer ~ a blankqueer stance that relates to the idea that all queer labels are social constructs and, therefore, can be interpreted in different ways by different people.

This means not harassing people for having different definitions of certain definitions so long as they are not racist,transphobic,homophobic,ableist,ect.

sweetqueer people may enjoy learning about why other people believe certain definitions rather than others,without judging but also without believing this above their OWN opinion

this term values inclusiveness and the idea of believing whatever you want !

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