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The mxtx interview with Subaru Magazine is fascinating and part 5 has two descriptions I adored:
Jin Guangyao is described as:
And Nie Mingjue as:
While the fandom is more aware of JGYâs two-faced actions and hypocrisy, Iâve noticed that NMJ is often portrayed as purely heroic and righteous in fics and metas. As if NMJ had not condemned Wen Qing and the Remnants for just being Wen, or as if his hatred for the Wens isnât as absolute or mindless as it is. Wens are âevilâ, and therefore must be destroyed. No proof is needed and no mercy given.
The thing about NMJ is, like the description says, he was originally ârighteousâ in the sense of wanting to âslay evilâ, but he goes too far. And this aspect is an important part of his character that oft goes ignored, or worse is warped into proof that he is still heroic, therefore his condemnation of the Wens and WWX is ârightâ.
The three poisons (Sanskrit: triviáčŁa; Tibetan: dug gsum) or the three unwholesome roots (Sanskrit: akuĆala-mĆ«la; PÄli: akusala-mĆ«la), in Buddhism, refer to the three root kleshas: Moha (delusion, confusion), Raga (greed, sensual attachment), and Dvesha (aversion, hate).
Is there a scene in the novel where Jiggy was looking like he was determining "there's no other choice" in koi tower before killing nmj? I saw a jgy fan said wwx as unreliable narrator since he "judge" jgy taunting nmj when he confronted him about XY as deliberate, whereas the fan thinks jgy didn't, and mention about a scene afterward where jgy being "helpless" before choosing to kill nmj.
I don't remember such a scene in the novel. But perhaps I'm just not being attentive. So is there really?
I donât know what scene was being referenced, but itâs safe to say that nothing Jin Guangyao says until Guanyin Temple is true, and anything he says about his motivations until he discovers that heâs been played by Nie Huaisang is questionable at best. Wei Wuxian is not the narrator of mdzs, so his opinion of jgyâs morality or actions doesnât account for whether or not jgyâs actions were right or wrong or whether he âmeantâ them. Jin Guangyao is a master gaslighter and we are shown this explicitly through in his introduction into the book, so I see no reason to jump through hoops to find which of his lies are total lies or half-truths. It all leads to the same place of justifying his need to murder people he doesnât like. But whether or not a jgy stan thinks that jgy âwantedâ to kill Nie Mingjue, he definitely wanted to dismember nmjâs body and keep his head as a trophy. Sounds like a choice he chose to make and not one where he was âhelplesslyâ forced to do it, donât it?
Fans justify JGY's murders to NMJ since the guy can't tolerate his helplessness and insults his mother, as he demands JGY to interfere with the Chang Clan problem, which JGY is helpless about, allegedly.
But what was JGY pretending to be helpless about? When he had been taking care of the Clan massacre long before the Chang clan happened. The Zhao and He Clan being framed by the Jin, and experimented on by Xue Yang, happened when SongXiao were newly famous and they hadn't apprehended Xue Yang. In the novel, JGY was written to have a lot of hands in their matter. That means, JGY is very much responsible and can interfere with LanlingJin's business. So what was he pretending to be helpless about in front of NMJ? And what were the fans defending him and accusing NMJ of forcing a helpless person about??
Jin Guangyao fans are as obsessed with his âhelplessnessâ as Nie Mingjue fans are obsessed with his ârighteousnessâ when really, they both suck. Nie Mingjue just lost the draw.
So I follow the mdzs subreddit, perhaps cuz i like torturing myself (that place is filled with jc and jgy stans), recently there have been a few more people in it with actual reading comprehension tho which is nice.
But to the point, in the last few days there have been quite a bit of posts by jgy stans whining about âwhy do people hate on jgy so much, when other characters also committed crimes like wwxâ and âjgy only killed nmj out of self defense because the man was always trying to kill him so itâs justifiedâ oh and the best one âactually jgy is too compassionate, he didnât kill qin su or sisi and his life would have been so much easier if he hadâ
So Jin Guangyao killed Nie Mingjue, ok we can give him that one. Was killing all those sex workers he used to rape his father justified? Was burning the sex workers alive in the brothel justified? Was killing the He Clan justified? He takes credit for killing Qin Su by purposely waving a knife in her face that amplifies negative emotions and also permanently traps the souls of its victims after she refused to accept that he knowingly pursued an incestuous relationship with her, was that justified? Was killing Jin Rusong justified? Imprisoning Sisi for life in the darkest corner of the Koi Tower dungeons, was that justified simply because he didnât kill her?
And I know folks like to stan the rich and powerful, but hurting a rich personâs feelings or challenging their authority doesnât count as a crime. Wei Wuxian did nothing wrong.
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Sometimes I wonder about Nie Huaisang. His grief growing up with bones in the walls, or his inability to grieve without them. His only blood brother, Nie Mingjue, who he both loved and feared, who wanted to force Nie Huaisang onto a path of self-destruction, who died in the midst of betraying him in the worst way, who, stolen from his resting place, continues to haunt his little brother long after his death. The second sworn brother, Lan Xichen, who shielded him from his brotherâs wrath but who also provided his brotherâs murderer with the murder weapon, who Nie Huaisang in turn fashions into a murder weapon. And finally, Jin Guangyao, the last sworn brother, who stood up to Nie Mingjue on Nie Huaisangâs behalf, who kept Nie Clan secrets, who gifted him the things his brother scorned him for, who smiled in his face before murdering his brother.
I think about the Nie Huaisang who spends 12 years meticulously crafting a vengeance for Nie Mingjue, who never seemed invested in understanding him in life nor recognizing him in death. I think about the Nie Huaisang who stands a while before Jin Guangyaoâs hat outside of Guanyin Temple, eventually picking it up and carrying it with him. I think about the Nie Huaisang who, alone, arranged his brotherâs funeral a second time together with the funeral of his brotherâs murderer, trapped eternally in the same coffin. What did it feel like to no longer be haunted by a brother after 12 long years? I wonder if he finally grieves.
Letâs talk Yi City Arc! Iâve seen a few posts since my time in the fandom that talks about the Yi City Arc as unnecessary or out of place in the whole of the mdzs narrative. Iâve even seen some suggest that the disconnect is because Yi City was originally a separate story to mdzs, a sort of prototype, if you will, to explain it away. I, too, after my first read questioned the significance of this arc to the overall story. However, the Yi City arc and its placement so early in the novel is actually just a huge and very clever spoiler to most of the important plot points of the overarching story⊠if you know what plot points to look for, which an un-spoiled first-time reader would not. So letâs talk about those spoilers:
1) The righteous cultivation clansâ refusal to stand against evilâand, really, their indulgence of itâleads to the wiping out of an entire clan and a monastery as well as the deaths of two powerful cultivators unaffiliated with any major sect.
The ârighteousâ cultivation clans happily ignore that fact that the Jin Clan is amassing power through unscrupulous guest disciples, and it is only when Xiao Xingchen, an outsider, brings the crime against the Chang Clan to light do they bother to pretend to do anything about it. However behind the scenes, the Jin Clan assassinates their only real opposition, and the other clans, great and small, continue to do nothing as Xue Yang is released to commit another massacre. The Jin are never held responsible for their actions. Likewise, all the clans turn away from Wei Wuxian, an outsider, when he calls out the Jin Clanâs crimes against the Wen remnants and accuses them of amassing power via poaching vassal clans and attempting to steal his tools. Behind the scenes, the Jin work to undermine Wei Wuxianâs reputation before joining in to massacre Wei Wuxian and the Wen remnants. The Jin are never held accountable for this, which directly leads into the Xue Yang situation.
2) Xiao Xingchen has his reputation slandered by Xue Yang killing others using his sword.
After Xiao Xingchen kills himself, Xue Yang begins using his sword to enact âvengeanceâ on the remnants of the Chang Clan, who he considers as having âbetrayedâ Xiao Xingchen. Finding the signature of Xiao Xingchenâs sword on the slain bodies leads the cultivation world to believe that a disillusioned Xiao Xingchen is killing in revenge. In much the same way, Wei Wuxian is used as a scapegoat by the cultivation world whenever bad things happen, such as the presence of walking corpses or the mass digging of graves. In neither situation does any clan investigate the true events of the situations, happy to blame the easiest suspect and allow the unrest to continue. In both situations, Xiao Xingchen and Wei Wuxian are eventually found innocent of the crimes for which they are accused, and the true culprit is revealed.
3) Xiao Xingchen is betrayed by someone he considered close to him, which eventually leads to his death.
Xiao Xingchen, due to being literally blinded by his sacrifice, ends up running into, rescuing, and caring for his mortal enemy, Xue Yang. Taking advantage of Xiao Xingchenâs blindness, Xue Yang tricks him into murdering a bunch of innocents and his best friend, causing him to commit suicide. Wei Wuxian, similarly, is betrayed by a close friend he kept near, figuratively blinded by a former childhood friendship and the present debt he felt owed to said friendâs parents. This misplaced trust directly leads to his death.
4) Xiao Xingchen must give up his eyes for Song Lan to see again, because Baoshan Sanren is not magical.
This is probably the biggest spoiler of the entire arc, but by the time you get to where this information is relevant, youâd probably have forgotten that this was even said. Xue Yang blinds Song Lan after destroying his home, and to atone for this, Xiao Xingchen goes to his master, Baoshan Sanren, to beg for her help. However, Baoshan Sanren cannot make something out of nothing. Mxtx explicitly writes that tidbit into the narration. Song Lan goes up the mountain blind and comes down with eyes. Xiao Xingchen goes up the mountain with eyes and comes down blind. Song Lan was given Xiao Xingchenâs eyes.
Much later in the story, Jiang Cheng loses his golden core. Wei Wuxian offers the miracle solution of Baoshan Sanren âgivingâ him a new one. Jiang Cheng, obviously skeptical, questions Wei Wuxian up until the moment he must go up âBaoshan Sanrenâs mountainâ alone. Wei Wuxian descends, alone, looking pale and weak. Later, when Wei Wuxian is ambushed by the Wen, Wen âCore-melting Handâ Zhuliu touches him and is visibly shocked by a discovery that he then keeps to himself. Jiang Cheng emerges from the mountain with a new golden core, while Wei Wuxian emerges from the Burial Mounds with a new cultivation method wholly independent of the need for a golden core. The Yi City arc tells us why this is: âBaoshan Sanrenâ cannot make something out of nothing.
And these are just the major parallels I remember off the top of my head. However, while a reread makes a lot of these parallels directly applicable to specific plot points in Wei Wuxianâs own story, I would argue that the biggest role the explicit paralleling is meant to play for a new reader is to make you question the dominant narrative of the main story. The narration tells us that Wei Wuxian is a bloodthirsty man who may as well be a demon, known for cruelty and vengeance. We see none of that from his character when he is resurrected. Then we get a mini-drama where a man with attributes Wei Wuxian directly relates to, with a story Wei Wuxian directly compares to his own life, is scapegoated by society, killed, then eventually vindicated. If nothing else, the Yi City Arc is meant to make you, as a reader, stop and go âHey, wait a minute, what if Wei Wuxian isnât the bad guy here???â And once you understand that, you should start questioning everything the prologue told you, just like the juniors start to question what they were told about Xiao Xingchen post Yi City in their group debrief.
Ooo, yes! I'd also add that the Yi City arc serves to reveal and foreshadow the fates of 3zun (group, not ship), too â their dynamic explicitly parallels the Yi city gang's, and through that you get foreshadowing of Jin Guangyao hiding his true self from Lan Xichen and blindsiding him with a betrayal, Jin Guangyao being the one to have killed Nie Mingjue (another major plot point), etc.
It also serves as an important arc thematically to the dangers of staying 'blind'. Xiao Xingchen's blindness is physical, of course, but I'd argue it's thematic, too: it shows the dangers of how only getting to know one side of a person (or situation), from only one point of view and without thinking critically, can lead to a lot of harm in the long run. That's important both to our perception of Wei Wuxian â should we really just trust what the Jianghu said in the prologue, when we have so much other evidence suggesting the contrary? â and to the themes of MDZS. Thinking critically and not buying into single-sided rumours is constantly upheld throughout the book, and the Yi city arc is an example of what not doing so can lead to (in addition to many other things, such as the dangers of the Jianghu's rumour mill, Lan Xichen's betrayal, etc).
Very good point about getting people to critically think about Wei Wuxian and the prologue (and every other point as well)!
Interesting comparison Iâve never thought of. Iâll have to think on it some more, cause though I can see the parallel with Nie Mingjue in how you describe it, outside of A-Qing and Song Lan being victimized by Xue Yang, who they saw the truth of, I cannot ascribe their innocence to Nie Mingjue, whoâs unyielding nature and wrath led him to side with inhumanity rather than justice. My mind rejects it đ
Oh, definitely â there are many aspects of A-Qing, Song Lan and Nie Mingjue that arenât the same, that being one of them (and I definitely prefer A-Qing too, I said that to someone when I first noticed the parallels xD. With Song Lan, we donât see enough of his actual personality for me to form much of a concrete opinion/emotion on him, but I donât really like Nie Mingjue either â youâve described him perfectly). I was talking about trio dynamics and events rather than personalities, and even then there are of course differences, there are just enough similarities that I found it worth pointing out. After all, if everything was exactly the same, you wouldnât have parallels, youâd have a carbon copy!
Letâs talk Yi City Arc! Iâve seen a few posts since my time in the fandom that talks about the Yi City Arc as unnecessary or out of place in the whole of the mdzs narrative. Iâve even seen some suggest that the disconnect is because Yi City was originally a separate story to mdzs, a sort of prototype, if you will, to explain it away. I, too, after my first read questioned the significance of this arc to the overall story. However, the Yi City arc and its placement so early in the novel is actually just a huge and very clever spoiler to most of the important plot points of the overarching story⊠if you know what plot points to look for, which an un-spoiled first-time reader would not. So letâs talk about those spoilers:
1) The righteous cultivation clansâ refusal to stand against evilâand, really, their indulgence of itâleads to the wiping out of an entire clan and a monastery as well as the deaths of two powerful cultivators unaffiliated with any major sect.
The ârighteousâ cultivation clans happily ignore that fact that the Jin Clan is amassing power through unscrupulous guest disciples, and it is only when Xiao Xingchen, an outsider, brings the crime against the Chang Clan to light do they bother to pretend to do anything about it. However behind the scenes, the Jin Clan assassinates their only real opposition, and the other clans, great and small, continue to do nothing as Xue Yang is released to commit another massacre. The Jin are never held responsible for their actions. Likewise, all the clans turn away from Wei Wuxian, an outsider, when he calls out the Jin Clanâs crimes against the Wen remnants and accuses them of amassing power via poaching vassal clans and attempting to steal his tools. Behind the scenes, the Jin work to undermine Wei Wuxianâs reputation before joining in to massacre Wei Wuxian and the Wen remnants. The Jin are never held accountable for this, which directly leads into the Xue Yang situation.
2) Xiao Xingchen has his reputation slandered by Xue Yang killing others using his sword.
After Xiao Xingchen kills himself, Xue Yang begins using his sword to enact âvengeanceâ on the remnants of the Chang Clan, who he considers as having âbetrayedâ Xiao Xingchen. Finding the signature of Xiao Xingchenâs sword on the slain bodies leads the cultivation world to believe that a disillusioned Xiao Xingchen is killing in revenge. In much the same way, Wei Wuxian is used as a scapegoat by the cultivation world whenever bad things happen, such as the presence of walking corpses or the mass digging of graves. In neither situation does any clan investigate the true events of the situations, happy to blame the easiest suspect and allow the unrest to continue. In both situations, Xiao Xingchen and Wei Wuxian are eventually found innocent of the crimes for which they are accused, and the true culprit is revealed.
3) Xiao Xingchen is betrayed by someone he considered close to him, which eventually leads to his death.
Xiao Xingchen, due to being literally blinded by his sacrifice, ends up running into, rescuing, and caring for his mortal enemy, Xue Yang. Taking advantage of Xiao Xingchenâs blindness, Xue Yang tricks him into murdering a bunch of innocents and his best friend, causing him to commit suicide. Wei Wuxian, similarly, is betrayed by a close friend he kept near, figuratively blinded by a former childhood friendship and the present debt he felt owed to said friendâs parents. This misplaced trust directly leads to his death.
4) Xiao Xingchen must give up his eyes for Song Lan to see again, because Baoshan Sanren is not magical.
This is probably the biggest spoiler of the entire arc, but by the time you get to where this information is relevant, youâd probably have forgotten that this was even said. Xue Yang blinds Song Lan after destroying his home, and to atone for this, Xiao Xingchen goes to his master, Baoshan Sanren, to beg for her help. However, Baoshan Sanren cannot make something out of nothing. Mxtx explicitly writes that tidbit into the narration. Song Lan goes up the mountain blind and comes down with eyes. Xiao Xingchen goes up the mountain with eyes and comes down blind. Song Lan was given Xiao Xingchenâs eyes.
Much later in the story, Jiang Cheng loses his golden core. Wei Wuxian offers the miracle solution of Baoshan Sanren âgivingâ him a new one. Jiang Cheng, obviously skeptical, questions Wei Wuxian up until the moment he must go up âBaoshan Sanrenâs mountainâ alone. Wei Wuxian descends, alone, looking pale and weak. Later, when Wei Wuxian is ambushed by the Wen, Wen âCore-melting Handâ Zhuliu touches him and is visibly shocked by a discovery that he then keeps to himself. Jiang Cheng emerges from the mountain with a new golden core, while Wei Wuxian emerges from the Burial Mounds with a new cultivation method wholly independent of the need for a golden core. The Yi City arc tells us why this is: âBaoshan Sanrenâ cannot make something out of nothing.
And these are just the major parallels I remember off the top of my head. However, while a reread makes a lot of these parallels directly applicable to specific plot points in Wei Wuxianâs own story, I would argue that the biggest role the explicit paralleling is meant to play for a new reader is to make you question the dominant narrative of the main story. The narration tells us that Wei Wuxian is a bloodthirsty man who may as well be a demon, known for cruelty and vengeance. We see none of that from his character when he is resurrected. Then we get a mini-drama where a man with attributes Wei Wuxian directly relates to, with a story Wei Wuxian directly compares to his own life, is scapegoated by society, killed, then eventually vindicated. If nothing else, the Yi City Arc is meant to make you, as a reader, stop and go âHey, wait a minute, what if Wei Wuxian isnât the bad guy here???â And once you understand that, you should start questioning everything the prologue told you, just like the juniors start to question what they were told about Xiao Xingchen post Yi City in their group debrief.
One thing that I find absolutely hilarious about mdzs is how flippantly the cultivation setting is treated and how little it actually means for the characters. Esp compared to mxtxâs other works.
Like, svsss has the more typical style of cultivation with formal levels (qi gathering, foundation establishment, core formation, etc). Itâs slightly bullshitted thanks to Airplaneâs writing style, but itâs implied that it takes decades of hard work to move between stages and itâs also implied that cultivators can and do live for centuries because they are cultivating towards immortality
And tgcf literally focuses on people who cultivate into godhood. Like we see âregularâ cultivators as well, but we also know that people in this setting are capable of becoming literal gods, and we know that it typically takes a lot of hard work to do so as well
But mdzs? Forming a golden core is nothing. Everyone has one. Theyâre handed out like candy. Wwx is lauded as a prodigy for forming one as young as he did, but his peers still seem to form theirs in their teens. And having a golden core means little to nothing for the characters except boosted strength and stamina, and that they can use magic
Putting aside the literal war killing people off and affecting the average cultivatorâs lifespan, we see almost no evidence of anyone cultivating to immortality aside from Baoshen-sanren, who is an outlier. These characters all have golden cores! Granted, every xianxia-style story has different rules for how cultivation works, and in mdzs the focus seems to be more on using cultivation for practicality (night hunts) rather than any sort of ascension, but usually having a golden core will at least extend your life beyond the normal length
Not in mdzs! Jin Guangshan dies in hisâŠsixties, maybe? Possibly younger, even! But heâs generally thought of as âoldâ and everyone readily accepts that he died from âoverexerting himselfâ in that orgy. A sixty-year-old cultivator with a fully-formed golden core is considered old and decrepit! Thatâs a youngâun in other cultivation settings!!
The other âold manâ we see is Lan Qiren, who could ostensibly be as young as his thirties during the Cloud Recesses study arc (bc keep in mind that heâs Qingheng-junâs younger brother, and given the general lifespans of all the mdzs characters, itâs not unreasonable to assume qhj married and had his kids in early adulthood). Granted, to my memory wwx is the only one who thinks of him as an âold man,â and anyone above, like, twenty would be seen as old to a fifteen-year-old, but still. Wwx continues to consider him an old man post-timeskip when itâs entirely possible heâs only in his late forties or fifties.
I donât really have a conclusion or any sort of deep analysis for this, I just thought this difference in setting was an interesting/funny departure from mxtxâs other works and wanted to ramble. Feel free to leave thoughts/observations in the notes!
I think you may have a misunderstanding about cultivation in mdzs. Wwx isnât considered a prodigy for forming a golden core as young as he did. Heâs considered one for forming his at the same time as his peers despite starting late (and also for the fact that he is a literal prodigy who made inventions and research that fundamentally changed how cultivators nighthunted). Nie Huaisang forming his golden core as a teen is considered late. Wen Zhuliu, who has visible signs of aging, is also remarked on to have formed his golden core late. The reason why everyone forms their cores early is because they are part of cultivation clans, thus they are given training from damn near birth.
Also, Itâs not that âeveryone has a golden core.â We are reading a novel about cultivators who are insulated from non-cultivators by both their status as cultivators and their status as gentry. Therefore, most of the characters are going to be cultivators, since most of the characters are from cultivation clans. However, most of the background characters and civilians that the characters end up talking to throughout the story are non-cultivators, so itâs not like people without golden cores just donât exist.
Golden cores in mdzs definitely give characters more than just extra stamina and strength, but I donât feel like getting into that. Instead, Iâll talk about the immortality thing. That fact that thereâs only one (1) immortal we hear about but never see in the entire story added to the fact that we never really see âoldâ cultivators is, I think, the point. Mdzs is a story about how the cultivation world is full of corrupt people participating in the vices of the world instead of caring about it and itâs people, and that goes completely against the idea of cultivating into immortality/godhood. Itâs not by accident that Baoshan Sanren has secluded herself and her disciples from the world. It is also no accident that we hear of no particularly old cultivators when the cultivation world is regularly embroiled in war and power struggles that snipe off the oldest people as the youth come up. Wen Ruohan is perhaps the oldest cultivator we see in the novel, and he dies because of war. The Jiang die because of war. Nie Mingjue and his father were both assassinated, and even if they werenât, their cultivation style would have killed them sooner rather than later. Jin Guangshan is assassinated and Madam Jin dies of grief. None of these are natural deaths.
And as for Jin Guangshanâs death: he did not die from âoverexertion.â I canât accurately give the ins and outs of this since I only know about it through reading osmosis and not intentional study, but in a lot of these cultivation novels, there is a belief that you give away a certain type of energy through sex (yin or yang, I think), and that too much sex can deplete that vital energy and kill you. Jin Guangshan being a lecher was probably already leeching that energy, since he had no title or celebrated cultivation skills to his name, so Jin Guangyao forcing women onto him and telling them not to stop no matter what depleted the last of that energy. He didnât die of exhaustion because he was âold,â here.
Cultivation is a quality of personality, a set of skills/ superskills, and a certain quality of energy that is brought forth by deliberate practice, which, in turn, consists of intention, attention, and repetition.
Nie Huaisang's intention and attention wander and resist in the type of cultivation he is offered, so his golden core is weak. But what he does with intention, attention, and repetition is appreciate beauty and mastery, study composition of paintings to see the important points and connecting lines; he tracks birds with patience; he conceals and camouflages. His cultivation in this regard is very strong, it is just not the type of cultivation that the narrow-minded dogmatic world of the gentry would recognise. He was left to organise the care for the wounded and the logistics behind the scenes during the Sunshot Campaign, and he did well. All his skills and cultivation were necessary for that.
Xue Yang's cultivation is very strong, but it is not the usual golden-core building cultivation. His is the dark cultivation, full attention and repetition of ill intentions. He is the true demonic cultivator, working with the energies of living people, twisting them for his evil purposes. Again, the gentry cannot recognise it, because they only see what they have been trained to see, without understanding.
Same with Jin Guangyao, albeit again, a bit different. His cultivation is considered to be weak, but he is very good at directing energies to confound. This allows him to keep even the wise, astute, and kind Zewu-jun trapped till the very end. To everyone he says things that will make them doubt themselves and trust his twisted words more than anything. Power above average? Truly. Special skills? Absolutely.
Does Jiang Yanli have a golden core in the book? I am not sure. Her weapons are listed as "love, patience, and soup". Does she cultivate something with intention, attention, and repetition? Yes, absolutely. She cultivates love, caring, and protection.
This isnât really how cultivation works in mdzs, either. Mdzs still has a relatively traditional cultivation setup wherein âto cultivateâ means to learn how to gather and compress spiritual energy within oneself in order to attain a higher state of being, and the only unique thing about mdzs is that the end-goals and conclusions of characters that are different than in a traditional cultivation novel.
Nie Huaisang doesnât have a weak core (does he have a weak core?)/didnât for his golden core late because of his intention not matching the cultivation style he is given. Itâs heavily implied that heâs reluctant to cultivate and rejects learning to use a saber because he does not want a bad ending like the rest of the Nie from their sabers. Nie Mingjue has to force him into it. Xue Yang and Jin Guangyao both have regular degular golden cores, same as any and every other cultivator. The resentful energy that Xue Yang works with off of living people and how he goes about creating it is what makes him a demonic cultivator, not anything to do with the âenergyâ he used to build his golden core, since you can only build a golden core through spiritual energy. They gentry see it just fine. Jin Guangyaoâs abilities in âdirecting energies to confoundâ is just what the average person would call charisma and manipulation lmao. His golden core is weak because he got a late start to cultivating and thus had a weak foundation that he couldnât really build off of. Jiang Yanli probably does have a golden core in the novel seeing as she is the daughter of a cultivation clanâs leader, but since sheâs not a cultivator, herself, I donât think it matters either way.
Unfortunately, mdzs is very normal in terms of cultivation when you actually look into it. Whatâs radical about it is how mxtx uses it to comment on the state of the novelâs world and characters. So no, characterâs having particular skillsets does not give then different âflavorsâ of golden cores or cultivation styles. Youâre just listing character traits, lol.
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Within mdzs, there exists certain tropes shared with other traditional genre cnovels set in similar âhazy-on-history ancient pastâ settings. One of these tropes is the issue of inheritance and succession, i.e. who gets to be the new leader. In every traditional genre novel Iâve read, while succession and inheritance is assumed based on birth order and ranking (eldest son of the main wife inherits over second son of the main wife or eldest son of the father but born to a concubine), this is not always the case. For instance: a major plotline in a lot of family conflict-driven stories is that a man who has had multiple sons born to different main wives (first wife has died or been divorced) may choose his successor based on which main wife he loved more or whose family has more political backing rather than who is eldest. A man who respects his concubine more than his main wife may scheme to legitimize his shu (concubine-born) son to allow him to succeed over his wifeâs son(s). A man with no sons can petition or be petitioned by the clan to âadoptâ one from another branch of the family in order to carry on the legacy of his branch of the family. And in very rare cases, complete outsiders are adopted inâthough not without approval or challenge from the rest of the clan. Succession is not some set-in-stone process in the genre.
Likewise, we see this play out in mdzs. Taking concubines exists as a practice in the world of mdzs, but with none of the great clan leaders choosing to have any, thereâs no issue of di (main wife-born) son fighting shu son. Instead, we have many di son contenders who⊠donât content for anything lmao. Of the 5 great clans, 3 of them have 2 di sons, and one of them has a single di son and multiple unclaimed sons outside the home. The Jiang is the only great clan that has only a single son, di or otherwise, born to the clan leader. Letâs break it down a little further: the Lan clan have two di sons born of the same motherâa circumstance usually portrayed as harmonious in similar setting novels and follows, here, with the Twin Jadesâand the QishanWen assumedly do as well, also without any signs of conflict between Wen Xu and Wen Chao.
But the Nie have two di sons born of different mothers, one who is the shining example of a Nie leader and the other who is considered a waste. In a traditional genre novel, the expectation would be that Nie Mingjue and Nie Huaisang have a poor relationship because of having different mothers, that they should fight over inheritance, and that Nie Huaisangâs âwasteâ reputation be either a personality cultivated in him by Nie Mingjue to prevent his younger brother from being capable of inheriting or a ploy by Nie Huaisang to deceive his older brother into not perceiving him as a threat. Neither is the case. Nie Mingjue inherits the Nie Clan leader mantle effortlessly, and Nie Huaisang rejects the idea that he succeed. In fact, Nie Mingjue succeeded to clan leader so early in life that he is the one who raises his brother, and rather than raising his âcompetitionâ to be a waste, he is the one who pressures Nie Huaisang into developing a golden core and practicing with his saber, against all of Nie Huaisangâs objections. Despite having different mothers who were both main wives and therefore giving them both an equal claim to inheritance, there is no succession crisis.
Ok, so what about the Jin Clan? On the surface, it should be very simple because Jin Guangshan only has one di son, only claims this one son, and even if he were to claim another, he does not want to change his successor. So even when Jin Guangyao comes in, there was never a crisis in succession because Jin Guangshan made it very clear that he would never make Jin Guangyao his heir. Thatâs partially why when Jin Guangshan claims Mo Xuanyu and brings the boy back to Koi Tower as his heir, Jin Guangyao doesnât bother to kill Mo Xuanyu. He kills Jin Guangshan and has Mo Xuanyu exiled from the clan. The Jin never had a crisis of succession; Jin Guangyao simply killed the original heir, killed his father while Jin Guangshan thought he had another heir secured, then exiled that other heir post- their father's death so that others couldnât be brought in to challenge him (and lest we forget the rumors that he was secretly offing the other unclaimed sons behind the scenes, if you want to believe that). Later, when Jin Ling inherits the clan leader title, his claim is tested by older clan members and established clan elders because he is young and seemingly defenseless, not because there was a breadth of heir apparents with legitimate claims to his title waiting in the wings for their chance. It was just a power grab.
So now we have the Jiang Clan, the only clan with only one son and one daughter from the clan leader. There is no succession crisis, and there could never be one. Despite the possibility of having a female clan member succeed (Lan Yi exists as example) and the prevalence of highly respected female cultivators in the story, Jiang Yanli is a weak cultivator and has been engaged to be married out since birth. Jiang Cheng is the only option. I've seen some say that if Wei Wuxian was officially adopted in, then that would cause a succession crisis, but that's also not the case, because Wei Wuxian would be neither Jiang Fengmian's di son unless he were adopted under Madam Yu's name (something she would never allow to happen) nor a viable successor if Jiang Fengmian, himself, did not name Wei Wuxian as a successor over Jiang Cheng, something he would not do. And this isn't even counting the fact that Jiang Fengmian would need clan approval to adopt Wei Wuxian at all (think how Lan Wangji needed approval to adopt A-Yuan as a Lan), let alone the uproar that the Jiang Clan would have as a whole at the idea of Jiang Fengmian making a former servant's son the new clan heir over his son and all the other legitimate sons of the Jiang Clan. Absolutely would not fly. Jiang Cheng has the only claim to the Jiang Clan, and if he dies without an heir, the clan dies with him. Nothing a married-out Jiang Yanli or Schrödinger's adopted son Wei Wuxian can do about it.
Where mdzs diverges from this trope with the traditional genre cnovels is that where this diversity of family types would be cause for conflict, mxtx pretty much ignores them because mdzs is not a dogblood drama. Therefore as morally weak or loose as a lot of the characters are, most characters still hold to a lot of the core beliefs of their society, such as filial piety. There's simply no need to fight over something like who gets to be clan leader unless you truly are a person willing to abandon all morals simply for a crumb of power. And wouldn't you know it, the only character to completely eschew all filial piety in pursuit of coveted power is the biggest villain of the novel who receives the most gruesome death when all his crimes catch up to him.
Some in-depth quotes under the cut:
Concubines exist in the world of mdzs and is not uncommon among cultivation clans:
[Jin Guangyao] never took in any concubines, much less had a relationship with any other woman. This was indeed something that many wives of sect leaders envied.
âChapt. 47: Guile, exr
Why Jin Guangyao could never be heir under Jin Guangshan despite becoming a claimed son:
In comparison, Mo XuanYu and his mother were rather favored. At least Jin GuangShan still remembered that he had such a son and brought him back to Koi Tower. Meng Yao, on the other hand, wasnât as lucky. The son of a prostitute was far from that of a good family.
âChapt. 47: Guile, exr
[Jin Guangyao] spoke, âMy whole thing? Which whole thing? Brother, youâve always yelled at me for calculating people and being too dishonorable. You say that youâre a proud, righteous person, that you arenât afraid of anything, that propen men shouldnât need to play with schemes. Thatâs fine. Your background is noble and your cultivation is high. But what about me? Am I the same as you? First, my cultivation isnât as firm as yours. Ever since I was born, has anyone taught me? And second, I have no prominent background. Do you think that Iâm in a steady position, here at the LanlingJin Sect? Do you think that I can rise into power the moment Jin ZiXuan dies? Jin GuangShan would rather bring another illegitimate child back than want me to succeed him! You think that I should be afraid of nothing? Well Iâm afraid of everything, even other people! He whose stomach is full believes not him who is starving.â
âChapt. 50: Guile, exr
âThis is what he said, âItâs especially women whoâve read some books who think theyâre a level higher than other women. Theyâre the most troublesome, with so many demands and unrealistic thoughts. If I bought her freedom and took her back to Lanling, who knows how much fuss sheâd make. It was best that I let her stay where she was just like that. With her conditions, sheâd probably be popular for a few more years. She wouldnât have to worry about her spendings for the rest of her life.â
ââSon? Oh, forget it.ââ
âChapt. 106: Hatred, exr (Jin Guangshan's words recalled by Jin Guangyao)
The conflict in the Nie brothers' relationship:
Nie MingJue was on the school ground, teaching and supervising Nie HuaiSangâs saberwork in person. He didnât acknowledge Jin GuangYao, so he stood at the edge of the field, waiting with respect. Since Nie HuaiSang was quite uninterested and the sun was bright, he was rather half- hearted, complaining that he was tired after just a few moves.
...
Nie HuaiSang roared at Nie MingJue, âSaber, saber, saber! Who the fuck wants to practice the damn thing?! So what if I want to be a good-for-nothing?! Whoever that wants to can be the sect leader! I canât learn it means I canât learn it and I donât like it means I donât like it! Whatâs the use of forcing me?!â
Wei Wuxian looked at him in disbelief, then back at Jiang Cheng, then back at him. "Huaisang..." he said slowly, almost hoping his friend had a reasonable explanation for the situation. Nie Huaisang didn't even put his phone down. "Yes?"
"You're recording," Wei Wuxian said, shocked. "Of course." Nie Huaisang replied, amused. The answer came so quickly and with such certainty that Wei Wuxian was almost speechless. "Why?" Wei Wuxian asked tiredly as he ran a hand over his face.
Only then did Nie Huaisang deigned to glance at him, as if the question were so obvious that it didn't even deserve an answer. "Because a historic moment like this cannot be lost." Wei Wuxian looked once more at Jiang Cheng, then Nie Huaisang, then at the casino full of strangers who were witnessing the most absurd thing he had seen in years.
Frightened, Nie Huaisang immediately added, âHanguang Jun, I can explain! Those corpses werenât killed by our own people! They were gathered from far and wide, through sweat and toil! We spent a bunch of gold buying a lot of them too. Our sixth Clan Chief said that since these sabre spirits wanted to do battle with evil spirits, we would give them evil spirits and let them fight for eternity.
âChapt. 26: Malice IV, fanyiyi
...literally the exact same process that Wei Wuxian described here:
âThis executioner died a violent death, so itâs inevitable his body would turn into a vicious corpse. Since he beheaded over a hundred people while he was still alive, why not dig up their graves and incite their resentful energy to use against him? A hundred heads should be enough to fight a vicious corpse...â
âChapt. 14: Elegance IV, fanyiyi
...that Lan Qiren said would never be tolerated by the cultivation world?
âIf you had figured it out, the cultivation world would no longer have you! OUT!â
Isn't this also what everyone agreed to let happen when they buried Nie Mingjue's and Jin Guangyao's corpses together in the end? Idk, doesn't seem like such a "universally condemned" course of action like Lan Qiren believed it would be.
Nah, Nie Mingjue was justified flying into the rage that killed him, cause how you go from this:
Nie MingJue, âIf you really do understand, then come see me with Xue Yangâs head in your hand.â
Yet, Jin GuangYao replied almost instantly, âYes.â
Nie MingJue looked toward him. Jin GuangYao stared back, then repeated, âYes. Brother, if you give me one last chance, in two monthsâ time, Iâll come see you with Xue Yangâs head in my hand.â
Nie MingJue, âIf youâre unable to do it?â
Jin GuangYaoâs tone was firm, âIf Iâm unable to do it, Brother, you can do whatever you want to me.â
âChapt. 50: Guile, exr
... to this:
Lan XiChen, âSince Brother chose to make the oath with you, it means that he has indeed approved of you.â
Jin GuangYao spoke with dejection, âBut, Brother, didnât you hear what he said in the oath? Every sentence meant something more. âFace a thousand accusing fingers, be torn from limb to limbââthis was clearly a warning for me. I... Iâve never heard of such an oath before.â
Lan XiChen replied in a gentle voice, âHe said âif one were to think otherwiseâ. Do you think otherwise? If not, then why should you worry over it so much?â
Jin GuangYao, âI donât, but Brother has already decided that I do, so what can I do?â
YOU promised ME something, and now you're crying to MY childhood friend about it like it was MY idea and I threatened you into it?????? In MY home????????
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Nah, Nie Mingjue was justified flying into the rage that killed him, cause how you go from this:
Nie MingJue, âIf you really do understand, then come see me with Xue Yangâs head in your hand.â
Yet, Jin GuangYao replied almost instantly, âYes.â
Nie MingJue looked toward him. Jin GuangYao stared back, then repeated, âYes. Brother, if you give me one last chance, in two monthsâ time, Iâll come see you with Xue Yangâs head in my hand.â
Nie MingJue, âIf youâre unable to do it?â
Jin GuangYaoâs tone was firm, âIf Iâm unable to do it, Brother, you can do whatever you want to me.â
âChapt. 50: Guile, exr
... to this:
Lan XiChen, âSince Brother chose to make the oath with you, it means that he has indeed approved of you.â
Jin GuangYao spoke with dejection, âBut, Brother, didnât you hear what he said in the oath? Every sentence meant something more. âFace a thousand accusing fingers, be torn from limb to limbââthis was clearly a warning for me. I... Iâve never heard of such an oath before.â
Lan XiChen replied in a gentle voice, âHe said âif one were to think otherwiseâ. Do you think otherwise? If not, then why should you worry over it so much?â
Jin GuangYao, âI donât, but Brother has already decided that I do, so what can I do?â
YOU promised ME something, and now you're crying to MY childhood friend about it like it was MY idea and I threatened you into it?????? In MY home????????
Iâm sorry but Iâm laughing so hard, that is SUCH green tea behaviour itâs almost textbook lmao.
He literally promised something himself openly and then someone else comes in the scene and he immediately changes his face into đ„čđ„ș boohoo I am being forced into a promise and heâs threatening me boohoo đ„șđ„ș
The moment Jin Ling reached the top of the wall, he was confronted by an entire courtyard of bows drawn and aimed at him. His pupils shrunk instantly. One of the monks had either never seen Jin Ling before or had already prepared to annihilate any and all intruders. The monk released his bowstring and the arrow soared towards Jin Ling!
âChapt. 98: A Hatred for Life Part 1, boat-full-of-lotus-pods
Leaping down the wall, Wei WuXian made a loop with his fingers and was just about to blow a whistle when he heard a laughing voice behind his back, saying, âI would advice Young Master Wei otherwise. A shattered flute is no big deal, but a severed finger or tongue would be a lot more uncomfortable.â
Putting his hand down, Wei WuXian agreed, âVery reasonable advice.â The person responded, âShall we?â
Wei WuXian nodded and remarked, âSect Leader Jin is too kind.â
âChapt. 98: A Hatred for Life Part 1, boat-full-of-lotus-pods
Jin GuangYao failed to stifle a laugh. He said, âEr-ge[2], what are you thinking? Of course I know that Jin Ling is a child whoâs also my nephew. What do you think Iâm going to do? Kill him for being a witness?â
Lan XiChen was silent and solemn. Shaking his head, Jin GuangYao turned to Jin Ling and said, âA-Ling, youâve heard that, right? If you start running or screaming, I might do something terrible to you. So watch yourself.â
âChapt. 99: A Hatred for Life Part 2, boat-full-of-lotus-pods
Like, did you think we forgot that Jin Ling was also one of the hostages in the second siege you set up to murder everyone???
Kinda interesting how in any other scenario, this would be a horror scene:
Right as he finished, a gush of fierce wind roared into the Guanyin Temple, extinguishing rows after rows of candlelight within.
Without anyone noticing, the small drizzle had turned into a thunderstorm. Even the lanterns hanging outside the Guanyin Temple had been drenched through with water and ceased giving light. The entire temple was suddenly engulfed by darkness.
Wei WuXian could no longer make another sound. In the darkness, Lan WangJi had already embraced him tightly and covered his mouth.
âChapt. 100: A Hatred for Life Part 3, boat-full-of-lotus-pods
But somehow, instead, it becomes an inverse of this scene's "light illuminates the evil that darkness hides" trope, where rather than the darkness hiding some prowling horror, it's allowing two people in love a moment of paradise amidst the corruption and evil that the candlelight had been revealing.
Jin Guangyao isn't the only one with the ability to throw someone off their game with just a few words:
Wei WuXian smiled. âSect Leader Jin, did it ever occurred to you that tonight, youâre not the hunter, but the prey[1]? And that the one whoâs been watching you all this time might be right here, right now, watching your every move from a hidden corner. Maybe, itâs possible, that itâs not even human......â
Outside, thunder roared and rain poured. At the words ânot even humanâ, for a fraction of a moment, something akin to fear flashed over Jin GuangYaoâs face.
âChapt. 103: A Hatred for Life Part 6, boat-full-of-lotus-pods
To seal his cultivation completely, Jin GuangYao must reseal it once every other hour, otherwise Lan XiChen would break free of his constraints. Walking up to Lan XiChen, he said, âApologies.â
Just as he was about to reach out his hand, a blur of white suddenly landed in front of him with a heavy thud. Alarmed, Jin GuangYao stepped away to avoid it. Upon closer look, it was a pale human body!
âChapt. 104: A Hatred for Life Part 7, boat-full-of-lotus-pods
A wholly naked, female body laid on the floor, face down. Limbs and torso twisting, it seemed to want to crawl towards Jin GuangYao. Su She thrusted his sword. The woman gave a high pitched scream and fire erupted all around her. Getting to her feet, she continued to stagger towards Jin GuangYao, hand reaching out. Even as her face and body became reduced into dark crisps by the seething flames, the pure, intense hatred within her eyes was still plain as day. With a single strike of his sword, Su She scattered what remained of her image. Jin GuangYao only retreated a few steps backwards before bumping into something else. Turning, what laid at his feet were two entwined bodies. One of them reached out and clutched Jin GuangYaoâs ankle. Just then, a whistle sounded behind them. Su She cursed with a savage expression, âWei WuXian!â
Before anyone noticed, someone had already painted talismans all over the Guanyin statue in the temple with wild strokes made of blood.
âChapt. 104: A Hatred for Life Part 7, boat-full-of-lotus-pods
Wei WuXian commented, âLooks like Sect Leader Jin doesnât want to talk about it.â
With a wave of his hand, a naked female corpse instantly appeared beneath his palm. Placing his palm on top of her jet-black head, he said, âBut do you really think that I have no way of finding out by myself?â
âChapt. 105: A Hatred for Life Part 8, boat-full-of-lotus-pods
Nothing more terrifying than secondhand embarrassment đ
Amidst the whimpering wind and the howling storm, Jin GuangYao suddenly dropped to his knees.
Everyone was startled. Even Wei WuXian, who had just taken Jin GuangYaoâs sword, was surprised as Jin GuangYao said in a weak, defeated voice, âEr-ge, Iâve wronged.â
â......â Hearing this, even Wei WuXian was almost starting to feel embarrassed for him, and couldnât help but say, âUm, you know, we donât have to talk, letâs just fight it out. Can we please just fight?â
âChapt. 105: A Hatred for Life Part 8, boat-full-of-lotus-pods
Just as Jin GuangYao opened his mouth to say something, a deafening clash of thunder exploded outside. Though it was far away, it sounded all but too near. Jin GuangYao couldnât help but shudder and swallow back his words. The very next moment, three eerie, booming thuds came from outside the templeâs doors.
Rather than âknockingâ the door, it sounded more like something was âslammingâ against it. It sounded less like the noise of someone hitting on the doors with their arm, and more like the noise of someone clutching another personâs head and slamming it against the doors over and over. As the noise grew louder and louder, the cracks on the doorsâ latch split wider and wider, and Jin GuangYaoâs expression twisted more and more.
By the fourth sound, the doorsâ latch finally broke off. Along with the pouring rain, a dark figure flew inside through the broken doors.
...
Meanwhile, Nie HuaiSang screamed, âDa-ge[3]!!!â
Aside from Wen Ning, another silhouette cut an imposing figure by the templeâs doorsârough framed, ashen-faced and dreary-eyed.
It was none other than ChiFeng-Zun, Nie MingJue!
âChapt. 106: A Hatred for Life Part 9, boat-full-of-lotus-pods
Having been right beside Jin GuangYao when his hand had been cut off, blood had splattered all over Jin Ling, covering half of his body and face in red.
âChapt. 106: A Hatred for Life Part 9, boat-full-of-lotus-pods