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I keep getting replies about this on my Odyssey posts, so it's getting its own explanation:
Helen and Menelaus did not have an abusive or toxic marriage in the Homeric canon. Helen and Paris did not have a contrastingly positive and loving relationship.
If we choose to believe what Helen says, rather than what the (often misogynistic or else self-motivated) supporting cast say about her, then her being with Menelaus IS her happy ending, while being with Paris was outright miserable for her.
Within the Homeric canon — which IMHO takes precedence as the earliest version of the myth, with no obvious political agenda or bias against certain characters — Helen loves Menelaus.
When we see her within the walls of Troy, she misses her husband and their kids terribly. Helen says so aloud, within the walls of Troy's palace, meaning she truly has no reason to lie — on the contrary, voicing these thoughts is dangerous! But Helen does so anyway, and that means we really have to believe she's speaking truth here. Helen laments the fact that Aphrodite cursed her with a momentary passion for Paris, corrupting her mind and judgement enough that she left them. Doubly so because Helen finds Paris cowardly and detestable for his conduct surrounding the war — hiding himself safely in the palace even at great cost to the rest of his family and the common people of Troy. And Paris in this sense is directly contrasted with Menelaus, who is fighting on the frontline and happy to negotiate a truce/win a largely bloodless and profitless victory so long as he gets to go home with his kidnapped wife.
Like, Paris and Menelaus fight a duel over Helen where Menelaus resoundingly kicks Paris' ass. Before the duel, Hector — Paris' brother — calls him a coward with no redeeming qualities besides his pretty face. And Paris survives that duel only because Aphrodite repeatedly shields him from lethal attacks, then when he's again about to die spirits him away to the bedroom, where he basically just curls up and cries. By ancient Greek standards, and frankly to our modern sensibilities, Paris is an incompetent coward. He's not a catch. Helen does not want him.
I get why we have this conception that Paris is a preferable partner for Helen to Menelaus — because we think of him as the man she chose. Helen and Paris are a rebellious true love story, while Helen and Menelaus are a stuffy miserable arranged marriage.
But like...that's not true. Helen has tons of respect for Menelaus and none for Paris. As we all know from Pride and Prejudice, a marriage without respect is inevitably and exceedingly unhappy. Helen is only with Paris because Aphrodite is making her be with Paris.
And sure, it's tempting to turn that into a symbol of true love — Helen's love for Paris compels her to overlook his worst qualities! She loves him in her heart despite the conflict it causes with all the rational thoughts in her head!
But Aphrodite is not just the embodiment of love (really, more like lust and passion in a lot of early Greek mythos) — she's a character. She's a goddess. She's a more powerful person forcing Helen to be with Paris, against her own wishes! Literally in text, at the end of Iliad Book 3, Aphrodite shows up in Troy after saving Paris, planning to send Helen off to comfort her lover. And Helen immediately recognizes Aphrodite, and says that she'd way rather have the war end and go home with Menelaus than keep being Aphrodite's puppet, being made a lover to whichever man the goddess chooses for her. Helen tells Aphrodite that she's the one who loves Paris, not Helen herself, so she should go comfort the spineless prince.
And in response, Aphrodite threatens Helen into going to comfort and sleep with Paris. Aphrodite basically says "this is your life when I love you — imagine how hellish I can make things for you if I decide I hate you. So don't make me hate you. Go fuck Paris already."
Helen's relationship with Paris is coercive. We are shown that she's with him under duress from an infinitely more powerful deity.
If Helen ever loved Paris, it was because Aphrodite made her love him, made her ignore his flaws and see only his handsomeness, because Helen was a prize for Paris to win.
Remember, in the wider Greek mythology, Paris was asked to choose the most beautiful goddess among Athena, Hera, and Aphrodite, and chose Aphrodite because he was most tempted by the bribe that she offered. And the bribe Aphrodite offered was Helen, the most beautiful woman, a demigoddess daughter of Zeus, for Paris to wed and bed. Never mind that Helen was already happily married to Menelaus — she was a prize for Paris to win, so Aphrodite made Helen reciprocate. With magically induced passion, with threats, with illusions, but not with Helen's own will. Because the only times we are ever shown Helen and Paris's relationship, it's a forced and toxic one Aphrodite is forcing them into as part of her own power trip.
Even when Helen is forced to be with Paris during the Iliad, under threat by Aphrodite, Helen says she wishes Paris had stayed to fight Menelaus since he's a worse fighter and would've died. Which Paris gets offended by, predictably. Their relationship is bad for both of them. They're together only because Aphrodite wills it so.
And again — yes, you can take that as a metaphor for how love and lust can make us stay in toxic relationships with terrible people. But Aphrodite is not just a metaphor for or the embodiment of love! She is also a goddess pulling the strings of mortals for her own satisfaction — which is a huge theme of the Iliad! It's a story of gods letting little people get trampled for the sake of their own ambitions and pride and goals! The gods are people and characters in Homeric epics every bit as much as the mortal characters are.
And if you want to talk non-Homeric texts? Many still support the idea Helen was happier with Menelaus than with Paris. Some even outright state that marrying Menelaus was her choice, in contrast to how Aphrodite manipulated her into being with Paris.
Helen, as the daughter of Leda and Zeus, as the foster daughter of Tyndareus, as the most beautiful woman alive and possibly the most powerful among mortals, was ridiculously in demand as a wife. So, it was proposed that she would choose her husband from among her many suitors, and all the rejected suitors swore to respect and defend her marriage no matter what. That is why the Trojan War happened. Because all these Greek kings had sworn to respect Helen's choice, and her choice was Menelaus! So when she was kidnapped and taken away from him, they had to commit their city-states' armies to getting her back. Agamemnon didn't blackmail Odysseus into joining the war — he reminded Odysseus, who had once been a suitor of Helen, that he swore an oath to defend Helen and Menelaus' marriage, and told Odysseus along with many other kings that he had to uphold it.
(Side note: yes, that's right! Odysseus initially wanted to marry Helen, and her cousin Penelope was arguably just his consolation prize since he proposed a solution to the many-fighting-suitors thing. Clytemnestra, Helen's sister, was given to Agamemnon as a consolation prize because Helen chose Agamemnon's brother Menelaus! That's a very interesting thing Nolan could've addressed in his movie and didn't.)
Helen loved Menelaus and was happy with him, because she chose him as her husband. A privilege most women in Ancient Greece wouldn't have had!
Yes, there are characters who claim Helen ran off with Paris willingly. Many Greek soldiers who are there reluctantly ask why they're leaving behind their beloved wives just because Menelaus couldn't keep his. In their words, Helen is a disloyal bitch. (I'm not even taking liberties in translation there — the term kunopis, or dog-eyed, is used to refer to Helen repeatedly, and when used to refer to a woman carries connotations of unfaithfulness/sexual promiscuity.) But those are always characters who don't want to be fighting a war, who want to go home, and therefore have personal incentive to frame the situation as "Helen made her choice, why are we being forced to fight and die over it?" We as readers are shown that Helen wants the Greeks to win the war so she can go home with Menelaus.
There's also the fact that, regardless of if Helen consented, Paris still violated xenia by seducing and running off with his host Menelaus' wife. You don't do that to the guy whose home you're a guest in!
When you add in the fact that (due to Aphrodite's pressure and Helen not being physically able to resist) Paris's relationship with Helen was in fact non-consensual — surely we as modern readers can at least recognize that if she was under some kind of Aphrodisiac (get it?) effect, or else fully had her mind controlled, Helen wasn't capable of giving real informed consent — well...
...you kind of do understand why Paris' actions started a war. Why the Greeks considered his relationship with Helen immoral, proof of broken oaths between guest and host as well as between husband and wife. Why they felt it had to be avenged, or at least repaired.
Because Helen should've been allowed to have a happy life with Menelaus, free of unfair godly bullshit.
Which is why the Odyssey makes a point of showing that ultimately, she did. She's back in Sparta, happily and lovingly married to Menelaus, watching her daughter also marry happily. Telemachus gets to hear multiple accounts of his father's intelligence, sure, but Helen and Menelaus also get to recall that unfortunate chapter of their past before putting it behind them.
As a final aside — a lot of the later literature that does portray Menelaus as a bad husband or asshole was written by Athenian authors, at times where Athens and Sparta were actively at war. That was political propaganda. It's the same as American Cold War media making all the villains Russian! They were playing into audience biases and stereotypes, and you have to consider that when looking at later, less positive views of Menelaus and his marriage to Helen.
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🚣♂️ captain.odysseus
between two choices here…
scylla
charbydis
to be so honest neither are looking great but sometimes u gotta make tough decisions. nobody tell my crew about this btw
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⬜ crewmate-238-deactivated12109
the sirens are dangerous to YOU. i understand them though. we are holding hands and singing and they're not even eating me
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no we’re not
⚔️ 0restes
OP being deactivated really adds something here
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the sirens killed him
🐅 circe.without.mercy
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🤴 telemakhos.of.ithaka
just fucked up so bad i met queen helen from sparta and called her "helen of troy" in front of her husband who literally spent ten years fighting a war to get her back FROM TROY. about to throw myself into the sea
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omg no worries babygirl come back anytime :))) happens to everyone
🤴 telemakhos.of.ithaka
was no one going to tell me helen of troy had a tumblr
🤴 telemakhos.of.ithaka
FUCK i did it again
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⬜ crewmate-24-deactivated9823
for real though has anyone seen elpenor
#i could have sworn he was with us when we were at circes??
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dreaming of burger made of helios' cattle rn. mmm
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it is actually insane that people are reblogging this. do you know how disrespectful this is to helios and to all of the gods?? those are literally sacred cattle, i shouldn't be seeing odysseus' crew blogging about how they want to make them into burgers. it's not funny and it's not a joke.
⬜ crewmate-438-deactivated5764
#it was gonna be such a perfect day for a bbq but its stormy all the sudden #:( #oh well i guess we will just eat our burgers inside
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🐗 antinous420
how long could it possibly take to weave a fucking shroud
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fun fact! it can actually take 1,543 years to weave a burial shroud for one’s father in law, depending on the materials, style, and craftsman!
🤴 telemakhos.of.ithaka
ayyy ithaca fact checker i missed you
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who the hell is running this account
#that has to be a joke right #otherwise that would mean that like only an immortal could weave these #ik athena is goddess of weaving but she cant be the only one doing it #right???
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not the random naked man i found on my shore who i almost got betrothed to being odysseus king of ithaca are you KIDDING me
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i thought he was dead???
🚣♂️ captain.odysseus
im not
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@ telemakhos.of.ithaca @ queen-penelope-official HELLO???
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actually disgusting that people are still following @/calyps0 when she literally kept odysseus captive on her island for seven years. yes odysseus is incredibly problematic and he should be held accountable for actions. yes i dont support what he did to polyphemus and i will block anyone who said that was deserved. but he literally has a wife and son he needs to get back to and it's disgusting that she tried to impede him like this
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hey what was going on when he stayed at your place for a year
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lmfao she blocked me
#girl this situation is messyyyy
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🦉 goddess-of-wisdom
why is everyone so mad at odysseus. he’s just a silly little guy. my silly little mortal. he does tricks. free him
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he blinded my son
🦉 goddess-of-wisdom
ok??? have you considered that maybe your son was being a little bitch
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🚣♂️ captain.odysseus
lmfaoooo ive been sending anon hate to polyphemus and he still doesn’t know it was me, odysseus, son of laertes sacker of cities king of ithaca who lives at ithaca palace and is currently sailing home on the aegean sea. click the read more to track my voyage home
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#what are you gonna do about it big guy #nobody cares
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when i find whoever it is that is sending me these you are going to be so sorry
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like this post if you want to be included in the archery contest tomorrow!
#may the best shot win!
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🍽️ suitor-37
anyone noticed the quality of penelope’s wines at ithaca palace has kind of sucked lately
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i have a strong feeling that you won’t have to worry about this for much longer :)
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"Why doesn't Gawain recognize Gareth??" 90% of being an older sibling is just doing your best not to get involved in younger sibling shenanigans. He has other stuff going on
It comforts me that you have bad music taste, because you are a bad person, and I like to think bad moral character and bad music taste are connected. But every so often you post something good. I hope those are just accidents. Or maybe they reveal a tiny sliver of goodness within you.
What I don’t want to believe is that music taste and morality are unrelated. I’d rather believe the universe has an order, and that music taste is one way to tell good people from bad.
I’ll be more direct: you posted a Strawberry Switchblade song. Why? Did you post it by mistake, meaning to post bad music instead? Or did you post it because it reflects the small part of you that is good? Or did you mean to post it, proving that good music and good character have nothing to do with each other?
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"Oh I know that I'll need to become vegan for the environment EVENTUALLY, but not now."
Then when? Do you want to deal with changing how you eat AND changing the economic system? And how do you think we're going to demand this change?
Quit kicking the can down the road and go vegan. Eat more food without meat. DO SOMETHING.
Choosing "when" is so, so important. And that's not just for being vegan.
It's for going vegan, working out, quitting your job, going back to school, starting a new hobby, getting married, getting a dog, playing a game, basically everything that you might do in life. If you just say "I intend to do this" and you don't set yourself criteria, then you will never do it.
If you're remotely serious, say when. It doesn't have to be a date-- "when I have X in my savings account," "when I graduate," "when I get a diagnosis," "when I beat the new Red Dead," "after my sister's wedding." Basically anything as long as you actually set criteria.
If you can't tell me when, you don't actually mean to do it. Not really.
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Shuckle commission for @blenselche
Turned out really cute and was also fun to make :)
If anyone is interested in custom crochet little guys DM me :) I can ship to most places in the world!
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I swear...
Someday, I'm gonna write a piece explaining how the characters of Guinevere and maybe Iseult are rooted in fairy tale archetypes.
In particular, I'm almost certain Gwen - judging from her Welsh portrayal as the daughter of a giant - is an artifact of what the Aaron-Thompson-Uther Index calls "The Magic Flight" or "The Girl Helps The Hero Flee", the story archetype that serves as the basis for stories like Nix Nought Nothing, Battle of the Birds, The Master Maid and, arguably, Arthuriana's very own Culhwch and Olwen.
The basics of this tale: Hero goes to the household of a giant and falls in love with giant's daughter -> Giant issues impossible tasks -> through magical aid (usually by the giant's daughter herself) the hero completes the tasks and angers the Giant -> Hero and the magical daughter flee and escape using magic items that create obstacles and barriers.
I could almost see something of a very heavily modified version this kind of story in Vulgate and its two versions of how Arthur acquired Guinevere as his wife, where Arthur goes to Carmelide incognito and win the favor of Leodegrance; it even seems like the "villainous giant father" is split into the sympathetic Leodegrance and the invader Ryon. And instead of magic items the couple drop to elude their pursuer, Arthur and Guinevere peacefully return home with a certain magic table...
I would like you to write this piece one day. Fwiw.
Here's some of the brilliant animation work made by Plastic Horse for Green Man Festival 2026.
It's such a treat to see everything come alive, and seeing that lovely wobbly line-weight change and compliment my drawings.
The whole project was art directed by Many Hands Studio

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I made a comic about Furby babies and emotional neglect. As you do. (Click through for more legible resolution!)