I actually NEVER did an Intro before, so here we go. I'll add more to my introduction soon...
HELLO!! My name is Ameythst, but Amey is my nickname and I am Multifandom. I am Hotshot's NUMBER ONE FAN!! I have AuHD [Click more to learn more about me!! :3]
Basic Introduction:
Name: Ameythst
Gender: Bigender and Androgynous
Pronouns: She/He/They
Current Age: 17
Sexuality: Bisexual [Perfers Males and Muscular Nonbinary]
Birth: June 12
Hobbies: I draw mostly draw digitally and I am a Semi Animator!
My Interests:
I am Multifandom, so I am part of:
Stick War
Slush Invaders
Fire Force
Ninjago
The Daily Life of the Immortal King
Dr. Stone
Blue Exorcist
Tougen Anki
Transformers
Ninjago
Wakfu
LOCUS [By Spyral Atelier]
Twisted Adventure [An animated story by me]
My OC x Canon:
These ships are canon in my heart and you'll never change my mind:
Lucifer x Eveline [Blue Exorcist]
Lewin Light x Renji Kuromura [Blue Exorcist]
Amaimon x Rei [Blue Exorcist]
Hyoga Akatsuki x Princess Kiyomi [Dr. Stone]
Benimaru Shinmon x Ayana Montgomery [Fire Force]
Morro x Aleria [Ninjago]
Lilith x Adamai [Wakfu]
Xiphos x Amey [Stick War]
Hotshot x StormLeaf [Transformers]
What you can do:
Ask me questions! [Like my ships, favorite things, etc]
Drawing my ocs!
Ask me Art or Animation request [Depends]
Draw my Oc x Canon ships [I'll be HAPPY! Mention me when you're done]
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TW: Grooming, power dynamic, pimping, non consensual sexual acts between human and demon
So this fandom just ignores Homare being groomed by Lucifer? He met her when she was maybe 8-10 years old and later we see a scene that they just had sex. If Homare even has a say in if they do it or not. It’s deeply disturbing and unsettling. Especially because she has been introduced to this unstable lightbulb of a demon by her FATHER. Her FATHER! While Homare is a strong woman, she needed a father that protected her. But Sabutora is who he is and instead he pimped out his daughter.
I am kind of disappointed that there was no discussion about this on Tumbrl in this fandom. Since the new chapter comes out tomorrow I maybe chose the wrong timing to discuss it. But I wanted to speak up, so I did.
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Shocking? Yes and no. I could sit here and discuss all subtle bits of body language, dialogue, red flags, etc. It wouldn't even necessarily be hard to do so. Hell, I've been working on another analysis on and off for a while actually.
Disturbing? Perhaps to some. Art is meant to comfort the disturbed and disturb the comfortable. If you are uncomfortable with such topics, with dynamics, with anything of that nature, that also requires some introspection. It's good to sit with what makes you uncomfortable.
But it hasn't been ignored. Many have spoken about how surprised they were, and others just moved past it because they likely enjoy certain aspects of the manga more. However, people are free to go and play dolls as they choose. Since these are fictional characters, the idea of being pure regarding them is unnecessary. Purity culture hurts fandoms. Ultimately this dynamic does not hurt anyone irl, thus there isn't a large focus on it other than a couple posts/messages.
Perhaps that's just how I see things, and I might be able to word things better when I haven't just woken up, but hopefully this summarizes things well. I'm more than happy to discuss more about character analysis, dynamics, etc in the comments or in dms. Hope you have a good day ^^💛
Why does it look like this post romantize both Abuse and R@pe? I could be wrong about it, sorry I just got an uneasy feeling. [PLEASE I NEED AN EXPLANATION!!]
Edit: I like the art style and design, yes. I just have a problem with the story. It's probably my perspective. Btw I am talking about how male Homare is hitting Female Lucifer who's crying & begging not to harm her and probably [not] consenting r@pe. I know that they're both adults, but it's weird.
Yeah, but it's confusing for me. It could be me being wrong.
Like I said, it started with abuse and then Homare tooked off his clothes without consent btw. And Homare also probably [not] consenting rape. This is before he said that he likes it. That's the part I am confused about.
Now, it's just me being a dumbass for not reading it better.
There is another page missing bc it contains a dick so tumblr wouldn't allow it to be posted. But the whole quote is made by Morticia Addams going "Last night you were unhinged. You were like some desperate, howling demon. You frightened me. Do it again!"
It insinuates that Gomez and Morticia (and Lucifer and Homare in this comic) enjoy rough sex and pretending something terrible is happening. It's a common kink.
In reality partners would discuss this beforehand and later have aftercare, but these are fictional characters and I use them to tell stories. Sometimes stories are very dark.
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Why does it look like this post romantize both Abuse and R@pe? I could be wrong about it, sorry I just got an uneasy feeling. [PLEASE I NEED AN EXPLANATION!!]
Edit: I like the art style and design, yes. I just have a problem with the story. It's probably my perspective. Btw I am talking about how male Homare is hitting Female Lucifer who's crying & begging not to harm her and probably [not] consenting r@pe. I know that they're both adults, but it's weird.
Yeah, but it's confusing for me. It could be me being wrong.
Like I said, it started with abuse and then Homare tooked off his clothes without consent btw. And Homare also probably [not] consenting rape. This is before he said that he likes it. That's the part I am confused about.
Now, it's just me being a dumbass for not reading it better.
Why does it look like this post romantize both Abuse and R@pe? I could be wrong about it, sorry I just got an uneasy feeling. [PLEASE I NEED AN EXPLANATION!!]
Edit: I like the art style and design, yes. I just have a problem with the story. It's probably my perspective. Btw I am talking about how male Homare is hitting Female Lucifer who's crying & begging not to harm her and probably [not] consenting r@pe. I know that they're both adults, but it's weird.
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I am an animator. I own 3 series that aren't released except for one [But I cancelled the 1st episode because I wanted to be a game and animation version]
This is a scene from Slush Invaders Kids [A fan made series]
This is a long time coming, I’m finally done with being sick so like,,,here, catch, take my wares.
Anyways I’m terrible at intros. This will include: Grooming (sexual and non-sexual), mental health, and potentially other sensitive topics. This is the only courtesy warning I will offer.
So. What is Grooming?
The full definition via oxford dictionary is:
brush and clean the coat of (a horse, dog, or other animal).
prepare or train (someone) for a particular purpose or activity.
form a relationship with (a child or young person) with the intention of sexually assaulting them or inducing them to commit an illegal act such as selling drugs or joining a terrorist organization.
With that, we will be referencing this word, along with a few other key terms such as disassociation, submission, and dependency.
From what we know about Homare’s childhood, she was basically groomed by her other family due to inheriting Amanosako. I use groom in this context due to not only everyone fighting over her but her response once Saburota kills everyone. He tells her to “Do with it as you like” in regards to her inherited familiar. But when faced with a decision, she immediately mumbles as her first reaction (which I will touch on in a moment) and shows confusion at the idea of doing as she likes. To which we can all see here:
In regards to her mumbling prior to finally speaking up, that can actually signify underlying anxiety, or just straight up lack of confidence in children. This is especially important as we will touch on this when discussing her relationship with Lucifer.
Next, Saburota offers the solution of essentially going with him to the Illuminati. That Lucifer will decide for her. Note that in the previous panels, her eyes have seemed almost dead, whereas she seems more “alive” in a sense when she meets Lucifer. As if she is seeing the Light.
Now, the next panel, I noticed something interesting. Mephisto has mentioned prior that there are certain subtleties in regards to human and demon relations.
Notice how Lucifer has his tail between his legs. I feel this is intentional. This, in animal behavior, is a sign of either fear, stress, or submission. In this case, it seems to be intentional submission to show that he is not a threat to an otherwise uncertain child. Bravo once again to Kato for subtle body language.
Now this is where we begin to discuss her relationship with Lucifer. I have been poking constantly through the chapters not only for this blog but for edits, theories, etc. I do not always read the text in my rereads, which often helps a lot. We tend to get caught up on just words when there is also contextual body language, actions, etc that match said words.
To start, I do believe without a doubt that Lucifer is manipulating her and has continued to do so, but I believe Homare has slowly become aware/has been aware the entire time. Whether it stems from a lack of confidence or what that may cause her to relinquish control, there are a few things that manipulators tend to do. I believe I have mentioned prior that the term I use for Lucifer is “Narcissism”, specifically covert narcissism. Covert narcissism has many traits and behaviors, but the parts that stick out to me the most are externalized blame, subtle manipulation, lack of empathy, hypersensitivity to criticism, and controlling behavior disguised as care.
There are numerous examples of this, such as his goal, his reaction to Samael and Shemihaza telling him to basically give up his body, his reactions to external factors, and his lack of reaction/false empathy for others. But in this, I’m going to focus primarily on his interactions with Homare. In the beginning we see her in almost a caretaker role when we meet her. Her rushing over once he collapses, making sure that Gedoin addresses him respectfully, so on and so forth. Once again, you could spend well over an hour discussing how she acts when we first meet her and how we do not think much of her in the beginning due to the events taking place and the characters that took precedence.
We also notice fairly early on how Homare is more “icy” to those around her versus to Lucifer. One could argue that it is due to him being her superior in her role, but another argument could also be made in the form of isolation. Isolation is a common tactic with abusers, manipulators, etc. With how Homare met Lucifer as a child, this is not particularly far-fetched to assume there is a semblance of isolation at play. Between how she reacts to her father now compared to when she was a child (the brief snippet of how we saw Saburota “help” versus their interaction before he sacrificed himself for the elixir), it also would not be too horribly presumptuous to presume her relationship with Saburota became further strained once she met Lucifer. Her “needs” in terms of being around Lucifer are met; she does not need to make decisions for herself, thus she does not need another potential authority figure.
With this, I’ll start going into dependency. Their relationship is as we can see it, codependent. Lucifer needs Homare to dull his pain. Homare needs Lucifer to make decisions for her. One without the other can cause issues. This isn’t to say that Homare cannot make decisions on her own. That is not the case. Rather, she is likely more comfortable when the idea of making the wrong choice is taken out of the equation. If Lucifer decides for her and decides wrong, then the wrong choice will not be her “fault” in a sense. It takes the guesswork and fault aspect away from her.
However, all of that is where things begin to get muddled. If you see below:
We can see that Lucifer’s concerns primarily lie with ensuring that his needs are met. This scene also displays some excellent subtext.
There have been numerous questions and theories as to why Homare is in a state of undress here. To which I ask something in return: Would we really put it past them with what we have seen so far as to not have some sort of sexual relationship if they are already seen as potentially codependent on one another? You could try to say that he was only checking her body for deterioration, but even that seems far fetched. Say it with me folks, you can’t spell subtext without sex.
This whole codependent relationship can easily be furthered by her reaction to Shima when he was recruited into the Illuminati. When Lucifer asked her to train him, she argued at first.
This obviously came after the conversation above where Lucifer asked her to find a replacement. Let’s place ourselves in her shoes for a minute. She isn’t emotionless, she’s human. Can you imagine someone who you consider your “Light” is choosing someone you deem unworthy to take your place one day? How insulting that may be? If we compare the picture of when she first met Lucifer with her facial reactions to her reaction to Lucifer deeming this necessary, you can tell the subtle differences in her emotions. One held hope. The other? The potential beginnings of resentment.
Realistically speaking, Homare has suffered. Even if she isn’t vocal about it, she has suffered and has come to terms with her suffering in at least some sense. Between enduring Lucifer’s pain, the stress of her position, her deteriorating body, and the fact that she is literally seen bent over a sink? She’s suffering.
The fact that her inner dialogue is her convincing herself over and over that she’s happy and things are easier since she doesn’t need to think about her life just solidifies this fact, and the fact that seeing Shima with Ryuji and Konekomaru together makes her begin to internally question herself also furthers the idea of isolation from others.
Even prior to all of this, it seems Lucifer has begun to pick up on her questioning herself. Again, Lucifer is a manipulator. That has been said by NUMEROUS sources over the course of the manga.
Which is why this is so tragic:
She is still alive. She is still useful. To cast a pawn away before their use is reckless. Thus, false pretty words to keep Homare close. Human hearts are fragile, and I’m sure Lucifer is aware of this.
Now, I want to focus on Homare’s reactions during her fight with Shima. Shima consistently accuses her of hating him. Which…I do not think there is hatred. I think she was partially telling the truth with it. I think she resents him. Shima is “free” in a sense compared to her. She was raised training her power. Basically given to Lucifer and the Illuminati by her father, and now the only steady person (Lucifer) in her life has told her to train Shima for whenever she basically kicks it. How fucking humiliating, honestly.
Homare doesn’t always outwardly show reactions, and the eyes are the windows to the soul. In this case, they are the windows to her own soul. That isn’t a look of hatred. That’s a look of not only disgust, but bitterness when using the context we read/are given. Granted, things may expand in the future. We don’t fully know right now.
Which is where I begin to end things off with this:
She looks almost relieved when Shima beats her. She couldn’t lie as much as she had to, and there is a sense of relief because finally she’s thinking at least a bit for herself again. We see her outwardly panic during the battle as well. She is fairly collected like I would say 8 times out of 10. So to see her panic is a big thing. Either way, she is downed, and she can finally rest. There are no further expectations for her as far as we know. And with the way Lucifer left instead of staying by her side? It shows that he likely knew she would be downed, and that he doesn’t have any potential further use for her yet from what we may be able to tell.
This part is huge, though. It isn’t a realization. Realizations are more dramatic. No, this is an admission. A silent admission of fault and knowledge, and an admission that things are not right and they haven’t been for a while. This is the look of someone who is finally saying that things are not okay. The exhaustion is likely both mentally and physically. Much like someone who has not only been disassociating for a long period of time but as someone who has been lying to themselves for so long that they needed someone else to bring them to their senses. That someone else in this case is Shima.
I want to also note too that we should not be shocked about Lucifer potentially being abusive, manipulative, etc. He is a villain. He will not do good things. I could go on and on about how good and bad are subjective to individuals and therefore they do not fit demons as they are more “human” descriptors, but if I did that then we would be sidetracking from the point here.
A cult goes by every other term OTHER than cult. They will call themselves everything BUT at cult. That is exactly what the Illuminati is. A cult, with Lucifer at the center manipulating things and people the way he sees fit.
It was also mentioned how others have thought that she could be hypnotized just based on her eyes. I don’t believe this is the case, nor have I really ever. While I do enjoy theories, I do like using context and once I have enough context then I can create fact based arguments. That being said, her eyes have always been extremely expressive.
Bottom line: Do I think HoLu is canon? In a sense. This isn’t a fairytale romance or some steamy sex scene. This has abusive undertones and I think we can all agree on that regardless of any “care” that may be shown. It is tragic, which makes it good storytelling. I, like potentially many others, did not follow this ship out of hopes that it would be sweet.
I do think that Homare has a chance for “redemption” as one may put it. I would like to see the interactions with her and Lucifer now that her eyes are “open”. I do think she has a significant lack of confidence not in her abilities, but in herself. It would be nice to see how working on that would help her.
I am content with just this too. I’m sure there are many many many more points I could make in regards to this entire document, but I feel this is a good place to end it thus far, and I will expand upon it as necessary as more information comes out. I'm sure there are some things I have missed as well :)
As a person who literally ships Lucifer with my oc.
I have a relationship with this ship due to many reasons. At the same time HoLu could be a canon Doomed Hetero Ship [I haven't read the manga version], but like... It's a 50/50.
But I will say, the ship is Unhealthy and toxic. The relationship revolves around Manipulation and other stuff.
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