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David Remnick: You’ve been campaigning here and there for Hillary Clinton

Lena Dunham: Here and there and everywhere.

Remnick: And yet in the circles that you travel in I would bet there are a lot of Bernie people.

Dunham: I’m for sure the minority. Or there are people who are for Hillary but don’t want to talk about it because they don’t feel like dealing with the backlash that would come from their peer group or the internet or whatever.

Remnick: Describe that backlash for me.

Dunham: I get a lot of comments on Instagram that were like “I thought you were cool. I thought your heart was in the right place. I thought you got it.” It’s a reminder to me that there’s something in my politics thats distinctly sort of second wave-y. 

Remnick: Break that down. What does second wave-y mean?

Dunham: That I’m like, that I’m a Gloria Steinem, Kitty MacKinnen, bell hooks loving—although bell hooks is into Bernie so you know—And like the energy of nineteen sixties/nineteen seventies feminism still feels applicable today. Nothing makes me crazier than when somebody looks at Glora Steinem and is like “hashtag white feminism” because yes, she is a White feminist but her whole mission has been to take marginalized women and  make them the face of the movement. 

Remnick: But why Hillary and not Bernie for you?

Dunham: I think she’s the most qualified person for the job. I don’t mind having somebody who is a member of the establishment because guess what the government is an establishment and there needs to be somebody who knows how to navigate it.