A fanblog for Snape meta and author's notes on the fanfic "Lavender Brown, Severus Snape, and the Fangs of Fate" (mentoring and friendship, same rating as canon, no romance outside canonical Ron/Lavender). Original 7 books are canon, nothing else. Not here to talk about JKR or to bash characters.
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While drafting some Snape dialogue, I suddenly ran into a question. To use "may," or "might"?
From what I have gathered of strict grammatical rules, "might" is used for past possibility (i.e. "She might have lived, if not for him") and "may" is used for present possibility (i.e. "He may yet be defeated"). That being said, people often mix the two, for emphasis. Using "might" shows that you think the thing you're talking about is unlikely. Sometimes that's formality: "if I might ask," more than "if I may ask," says that you assume you're not going to be permitted, which can show your politely deferential position. Sometimes that's skepticism: "He might succeed" is less optimistic than "He may succeed." Sometimes it's informality: "I might go to the park today," not "I may go to the park today," sounds less high-handed, more like you realize there are things that are outside your control that can affect you.
So guess what Snape, that curious blend of formal, skeptical, and informal, prefers?
"You might be laboring under the delusion that the entire Wizarding world is impressed with you, but I donât care how many times your picture appears in the papers."
"But unless you watch your step, you might just find that my hand slips right over your evening pumpkin juice."
"It might be possible⌠for me to help Draco."
"I think that there is little chance of taking him once he is there, my Lord, unless, of course, the Ministry has fallen before next Saturday, which might give us the opportunity to discover and undo enough of the enchantments to break through the rest."
"But my Lord, he might be killed accidentally by one other than yourself â"
Snape generally uses "might" more often than "may" (he uses it 25 times as opposed to 11, even if you count "maybe" as a "may"). In the quoted instances above, if I'm understanding the rules correctly, one could argue that he uses "might" when the rules dictate "may" instead.
Once, he does use "may" when strict rules call for "might":
"Potter and his friends may have simply been in the wrong place at the wrong time."
All of these slips into less strictly grammatical speech occur during times of stress (confronting Harry Potter's misdeeds, actively hoodwinking Voldemort, etc.). Of course, nearly all Snape's quoted speech occurs during times of stress, so this may mean nothing. Might mean nothing? You know what I mean.
My own inclination pushes me towards "may" when I'm trying to enter the speech register Snape uses, so I had to intentionally rephrase to "might"; it makes sense that he finds it easier to speak of already-past possibilities instead of present ones, especially when operating under stress.
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Lavender Brown, Severus Snape, and the Fangs of Fate now complete!
Finished at chapter 87, 159K! I'm still in shock, haha, it's strange; it's not like it should be a surprise, I've been working and planning for over a year, but still! First longfic done! O.O
You can read this platonic mentor fic on AO3 or FFN (and now you will have a finished narrative).
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So, I decided as a sequel to this post and as part of my (and @wisteria-lodge's who I talked to about this) quest to understand wizard fashion, I collected all quotes referring to their school robes (and some that don't, but have implicationsâ˘ď¸ about their robes) to once and for all have the most definitive, book-canon image I could make for their school robes.
(Quidditch robes will be coming at a later date)
They aren't worn with trousers
I previously established that Hogwarts robes don't seem to be worn with trousers. Snape, Harry, and Ron are all implied to not be wearing trousers under their robes, along with everyone else:
James whirled about; a second flash of light later, Snape was hanging upside down in the air, his robes falling over his head to reveal skinny, pallid legs and a pair of graying underpants.
(OotP)
He got up and pulled on his jeans because he didnât want to walk into the station in his wizardâs robes â heâd change on the train.
(PS)
Everybody except Harry was riotously happy and talkative as they changed out of their robes into jeans and sweatshirts
(OotP)
Below the robes, there will be a long undershirt/shift and modern underwear (explained in more detail in the post linked above).
The length
Hogwarts robes are long. They billow around the student's feet:
He [Percy] had already changed into his billowing black Hogwarts robes
(PS)
Their robes billowed and swirled around them as they splashed across the flooded vegetable patch to double Herbology
(OotP)
And cover your shoes, and are floor length:
Ronâs showing much too much ankle in his school robes
(HBP) - said by Molly.
Ronâs were a bit short for him, you could see his sneakers underneath them.
(PS)
Harry got to his feet, trod on the hem of his robes, and stumbled slightly.
(GoF)
It means students need to get used to moving in a floor-length garment and not step over the hems constantly â which is probably a struggle for first-year muggleborns.
(The scene where Harry stepped on his robes is when he's called up as a Triwizard Champion â so in a moment of high stress, he might step on his robes)
(Another note, not all robes are floor length. Dumbledore is often described as wearing "full-length wizard robes", meaning they are floor-length, but some characters have robes that leave their shoes visible for Harry to describe)
The collar
Hogwarts robes are cut similarly to some men's dress robes. This makes sense, the way school uniforms are formal-looking and a person unfamiliar with the culture could think a dress suit and a school uniform look similar.
In some trepidation, Harry opened the last parcel on his camp bed. It wasnât as bad as he had expected, however; his dress robes didnât have any lace on them at all â in fact, they were more or less the same as his school ones, except that they were bottle green instead of black.
(GoF)
We know robes come in different cuts and not all are considered "dress robes" and it isn't just a matter of color & fabric (though it is that too. Dress robes tend to come in nicer fabrics such as velvet. (Dumbledore is practically always wearing dress robes)):
Like her father, Luna was wearing bright yellow robes, which she had accessorized with a large sunflower in her hair. Once you got over the brightness of it all, the general effect was quite pleasant. At least there were no radishes dangling from her ears.
[âŚ]
âYou look smart. I told Daddy most people would probably wear dress robes, but he believes you ought to wear sun colors to a wedding, for luck, you know.â
(DH)
Pansy Parkinson in very frilly robes of pale pink was clutching Malfoyâs arm.
(GoF)
There was just no getting around the fact that his robes looked more like a dress than anything else. In a desperate attempt to make them look more manly, he used a Severing Charm on the ruff and cuffs. It worked fairly well; at least he was now lace-free, although he hadnât done a very neat job, and the edges still looked depressingly frayed as the boys set off downstairs.
(GoF)
âYes, my tiara sets off the whole thing nicely,â said Auntie Muriel in a rather carrying whisper. âBut I must say, Ginevraâs dress is far too low-cut.â
(DH)
And we know, thanks to Draco, a high collar on a black robe is considered formal dress robes cut for men:
Malfoy was in front; he was wearing dress robes of black velvet with a high collar, which in Harryâs opinion made him look like a vicar.
(GoF)
And Hogwarts robes have a similarly high collar that keeps it's shape:
Turning up the collars of their robes against the chilly September air
(OotP)
This collar is wide enough to be pulled on like a dress over their heads:
Madam Malkin stood Harry on a stool next to him, slipped a long robe over his head, and began to pin it to the right length.
(PS)
And for Hermione and Marriatta to hide their faces in:
They heard the lock slide back and Hermione emerged, sobbing, her robes pulled up over her head
(CoS)
and Marietta gave a wail and pulled the neck of her robes right up to her eyes
(OotP)
But it still needs to keep its form (as mentioned before).
We know there are no buttons, since Harry mentions buttons on other outfits, but not on his school robes:
âNow then,â said Slughorn, returning to the front of the class and inflating his already bulging chest so that the buttons on his waistcoat threatened to burst off
(HBP)
The beaded bag containing all of their possessions (apart from the Horcrux, which Harry was wearing around his neck) was tucked into an inside pocket of Hermioneâs buttoned-up coat.Â
(DH)
Nor do they have laces, since Harry would probably mention fiddling with them or tugging on them if they were there.
So I concluded the collar is held in place by a single small metal hook/clasp like this:
That is swen onto the robes themselves.
The belt
The billowing, loose-fitted robe is held in place with a sturdy belt:
Harry tucked the sword and the Sorting Hat into his belt, Ron took hold of the back of Harryâs robes
(CoS)
That can hold wands, swords, etc, easily.
This belt is the only thing that gives the robes their shape, as the only things that Madam Malkin seems to be tailoring/adjusting are the sleeves' hems and the length of the garment:
Madam Malkin stood Harry on a stool next to him, slipped a long robe over his head, and began to pin it to the right length.
(PS)
So, there is a lot of access fabric, and the robes aren't tailored to the body. They are barely tailored at all, which explains why all students are expected to get them; they are very simple, very simple garments.
The Pockets
Their school robes come with multiple large pockets. They are either actually big, or they are enchanted to make them big, as when Harry is wearing his school robes, he puts everything in his robes' pockets.
His wand:
Harry took off his black school robes, removed his wand from his pocket
(GoF)
Choclate Frogs:
Harry felt in the pocket of his robes and pulled out a Chocolate Frog, the very last one from the box Hermione had given him for Christmas. He gave it to Neville, who looked as though he might cry.
(PS)
His knife:
âSiriusâs knife!â said Harry, and he pulled it out from inside his robes and slid it into the crack between the door and the wall.
(OotP)
The Mauraders Map:
âMischief managed!â The map went blank at once. He folded it carefully, tucked it inside his robes
(PoA)
He folded the map and tucked it inside his robes.Â
(PoA)
And even the Invisibility Cloak on occasion:
There was a knock on the door. Harry hastily stuffed the Marauderâs Map and the Invisibility Cloak into his pocket.
(PoA)
The pockets have a lot of space.
And there are multiple pockets per robe (it seems):
âNo idea,â said Harry. But Ron was examining Harryâs robes. All the pockets were hanging out.
(CoS)
The Sleeves
Contrary to popular interpretations, the sleeves are not wide, as they can be rolled up or pushed up to their elbows, and they stay there:
Harry felt a lurch of fear. He wasnât ready. How could you make a dementor less frightening? But he didnât want to ask for more time; everyone else was nodding and rolling up their sleeves.
[âŚ]
They all retreated, backed against the walls, leaving Neville alone beside the wardrobe. He looked pale and frightened, but he had pushed up the sleeves of his robes and was holding his wand ready.
(PoA)
Which implies they are tighter around the wrist at least, but not overall tight. As they are large enough for Ron to slip his wand into:
âNow, donât forget, itâs Locomotor Mortis,â Hermione muttered as Ron slipped his wand up his sleeve.
(PS)
If the sleeves were very tight, Harry would mention it. He would also mention if the sleeves were particularly wide, which is why I think the sleeves look something like this:
Tighter around the wrist to allow pushing them up to the elbows or be rolled up, but wider above to make them look like a robe, but not super billowy, so they don't get in the way.
The color
Hogwarts robes are black:
pointed face was standing on a footstool while a second witch pinned up his long black robes.
(PS)
Harry took off his black school robes
(GoF)
Harry noticed that Ron kept moving his prefectâs badge around, first placing it on his bedside table, then putting it into his jeans pocket, then taking it out and laying it on his folded robes, as though to see the effect of the red on the black.
(OotP)
And they look the same for all houses. In the books, there is no house indicator on a person's robes beside their prefect badge if they have one or a scarf/rosette.
In PoA, when all the students are in identical sleeping bags, Harry can still tell the house and year of the speaker:
âItâs very lucky he picked tonight, you know,â said Hermione as they climbed fully dressed into their sleeping bags and propped themselves on their elbows to talk. âThe one night we werenât in the tower. . . .â
âI reckon heâs lost track of time, being on the run,â said Ron. âDidnât realize it was Halloween. Otherwise heâd have come burst- ing in here.â
Hermione shuddered.
All around them, people were asking one another the same question: âHow did he get in?â
âMaybe he knows how to Apparate,â said a Ravenclaw a few feet away. âJust appear out of thin air, you know.â
âDisguised himself, probably,â said a Hufflepuff fifth year.
(PoA)
In CoS, Harry doesn't know Myrtle is a Ravenclaw; that information is from tertiary canon and not the books. This implies there is nothing on their robes to give them away.
Harry can tell who's from what house because he recognises students' faces/voices and knows what house they are in, not because their robes have a marking of their house â they don't. The fact that he tends to know other students years often, supports this:
The following day, two more girls asked him, a second year and (to his horror) a fifth year
(GoF)
âHold it!â said Hermione, throwing out an arm and halting a passing fourth year, who was attempting to push past her with a lime-green disk clutched tightly in his hand.
(HBP)
He knows random students' year, not just house. He just recognises them because Hogwarts is a small school.
Shoes
They don't have school shoes. Shoes are not mentioned in the school supply list before first year. They wear socks with their shoes of choice:
He and Ron took off their jackets and pulled on their long black robes. Ronâs were a bit short for him, you could see his sneakers underneath them.
(PS)
narrowly missing Hermione, it burst at Harryâs feet, sending a wave of cold water over his sneakers into his socks.Â
(GoF)
and laced up Goyleâs boatlike shoes.
(CoS)
Fabric
Since Hogwarts is in Scotland, where it is cold, the material is kind of important. We know the material is sturdy enough to hold the high collar in place (as mentioned above).
And we know it isn't silk and is warmer than that:
They were shivering, which was unsurprising, given that their robes seemed to be made of fine silk, and none of them were wearing cloaks.Â
(GoF)
Though, not that warm:
The temperature dropped with every step they took. As Harry shivered and drew his robes tightly around him
(CoS)
(Nor does it seem to have warmign charms)
As Harry always puts on a cloak when he's cold.
My assumption is that Hogwarts robes are made of wool. Wool is a natural fibre that has been common for clothes since humans started making them, basically. It's great at insulation and regulating body temperature (both in warm and cold climates), breathable, and durable. It should be washed by hand, though, as they wash it with magic, it's probably alright. In addition, I believe they wear an undershirt/shift under their robes, which means there isn't skin contact and won't need to be washed often.
The cloak
The robes come with a black winter cloak:
4. One winter cloak (black, silver fastenings)
(PS)
They have a high collar fastened with a silver clasp/pin:
their cloak collars turned up against the wind.
(OotP)
Yeah, Hogwarts cloaks have a high collar that can be turned up, not a hood. Harry mentions hooded cloaks a lot â Hogwarts robes/cloaks do not have hoods.
It has pockets like the robes:
"Hermione looked very cross indeed and stuffed her box of badges back into her cloak pocket."
(GoF)
It is long (floor-length) and billowy:
their socks and the hems of their cloaks soaked and freezing
(PoA)
Drawing their cloaks more closely around themselves
(GoF)
Hermione bundled up Crookshanks in her cloak
(GoF)
As Hermione keeps Crookshanks in it, and the hems reach the floor like the robes.
Other Accessories
They have Hogwarts house-themed accessories such as scarves, gloves and rosettes:
Three-quarters of the crowd was wearing scarlet rosettes, waving scarlet flags with the Gryffindor lion upon them
(PoA)
Hermione and Ginny sat down opposite them wearing red-and-gold scarves, gloves, and rosettes.
(OotP)
She [McGonagall] was wearing a Gryffindor scarf, but tore it from her throat with shaking hands as she strode toward them, looking livid.
(OotP)
walking down to the Quidditch pitch with Ron, Ginny, and the others. It was almost unbearable to turn away from the mass of students streaming out into the sunshine, all of them wearing rosettes and hats and brandishing banners and scarves
(HBP)
Students and professors both own these items. Maybe there is a shop in Hogsmead for them, though, I'm pretty sure some of them are homemade by students.
Prefect badges:
and Harry noticed a shiny red and gold badge on his chest with the letter P on it
(PS)
A large P was superimposed on the Gryffindor lion. He had seen a badge just like this on Percyâs chest on his very first day at Hogwarts.
(OotP)
A boy [Tom] of about sixteen entered, taking off his pointed hat. A silver prefectâs badge was glinting on his chest.
(CoS)
And Quidditch captain badges:
âWow, I remember when Charlie wore one of these,â said Ron, examining the badge with glee. âHarry, this is so cool, youâre my Captain â if you let me back on the team, I suppose, ha ha. ...â
(HBP)
Along with any other jewellery or accessories, students make or buy for themselves. (Such as Luna's radish earrings or Parvati's butterfly hairpin)
The Hat
They have a pointed black wizard hat that comes with their uniform:
2. One plain pointed hat (black) for day wear
(PS)
They seem to be wearing it in the opening feast:
Through the forest of pointed black Hogwarts hats, Harry saw a long line of scared-looking first years filing into the Hall.
(CoS)
It was a sea of pointed black hats; each of the long House tables was lined with students, their faces glimmering by the light of thousands of candles, which were floating over the tables in midair.
(PoA)
But it is optional most of the time. Though we do see them wear it:
A boy [Tom] of about sixteen entered, taking off his pointed hat. A silver prefectâs badge was glinting on his chest.
(CoS)
âMaybe Iâll skive off Divination,â he said glumly as they stood again in the courtyard after lunch, the wind whipping at the hems of robes and brims of hats.Â
(OotP)
So the hats are black, pointy, and have a brim (unlike the movie version we see). I headcanon that in British public school fashion, the hats are mandatory for the start of term and end of term feasts, along with a few other occasions and optional the rest of the time.
Aesthetics
AKA, the style - how does all of this come together?
Since Harry doesn't think the robes look like anything other than robes (not vicar robes like Draco's dress robes, nor a dress like Ron's dress robes) it means they look unmistaknly like something Harry would think of as wizard robes â which means they look like 1980s Hollywood wizard robes since this would be Harry's frame of reference. In general, the Wizarding World fashion seems to be 19th century, doing a Renaissance fair, if we want to give the style a name. Which leads to a garment that look like this:
For what Hogwarts robes probably actually look like in the books. Sleeves that widen out (though, not as much as the image, probably), a lot of fabric only kept in a shape thanks to a belt, reach the floor, collar held up by a single small metal hook â and wouldn't look like a dress to 11-year-old Harry, but like wizard robes.
And because I couldn't help myself, I took some old artwork of the golden trio and drew the robes and cloaks according to the aforementioned evidence on them like dress-up dolls:
(This is a quick sketch and the prefect badges aren't accurate to the books except for their color and the fact that they exist. Also, the cloak's collar is turned down, because it gives some flare to an otherwise not very interesting outfit and they did say "their cloak collars turned up against the wind", so I think it's canonically plausible)
oh yeah, -- said Sirius sarcastically. -- listening to Snapeâs reports, having to take all his snide hints that heâs out there risking his life while Iâm sat on my backside here having a nice comfortable time . . . asking me how the cleaningâs going â
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Today is the one-year anniversary of my platonic mentor longfic Lavender Brown, Severus Snape, and the Fangs of Fate! I'm working on a new chapter to share later on, but I just wanted to say how grateful I am to have come this far (over 130K?!) with all of you. You have been such an enormously encouraging audience. I could never have anticipated such a lovely, kind response, especially to such a niche story, and it has been such a joy to be able to share it with you.
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