Eli | gender-neutral pronouns | pan, agender and a-spec | adult | profile picture by the wonderful snoozyfruit and background from NASA’s Spitzer Space Telescope | mostly a fic writer
A rough approximation of tumblr relevant information about me:
Call me Eli or Jay — I honestly don’t care what name you use.
Gender neutral pronouns, most folks use they/them but again I don’t care that much
I use the fandom etiquette of 1) Don’t like: don’t read, 2) ship and let ship, 3) my kink is not your kink and so on.
My fics can be found at my ao3 who_needs_words and my writing tag here on tumblr is Eli writes. I occasionally edit gifs (the tag is Eli edits), bind fics and do art.
I’m some flavor of fan (passive, former, current etc) of the following (not an exclusive list): the Magnus Archives, Tolkien, Epic the musical, Severance, balder’s gate three, Rusty Quill Gaming, The Silt Verses, BBC Merlin, The Mechanisms, Blue Eye Samurai, Unseen, Dune, project Hail Mary, Arcane, welcome to nightvale, Star Wars, Yuri on ice, my hero academia, Penumbra, Wicked, legend of Zelda, The Witcher.
Number 1 Lalwen fan.
In general I’m an unforgiving nerd about worldbuilding.
Yes you can send asks and yes can send DMs! I’m kinda a terrible conversationalist so maybe know what you want to talk about (any of the above fandoms and any of my fics are good places to start)
I’ve run or helped run several fandom events in the past but none currently.
I’m rabidly anti- generative AI and will block on sight. 
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The narrative doesn’t directly examine why the Jedi who followed Revan and Malak fell. It is spoken of as a given – they followed Revan into war, so they followed Revan into darkness. That’s not how people work though. That’s not even how people under the influence of the Dark Side of the Force work. Spending twenty years as Palpatine’s thrall didn’t prevent Vader from throwing his Master into the reactor shaft to save his son. Revan can murder every NPC available to be murdered until reaching Rakata Prime only to pull a 180, redeem Bastila, and be feted as a hero of the Republic, Sith-eyes and all.
All but one of the surviving Revanchist Jedi who followed Revan and Malak into the Mandalorian Wars followed them again into the Jedi Civil War. Even the Exile, that lone dissenting actor, can say that they would have fought with their fellows against the Republic had their connection to the Force not been severed; that they were unable, not unwilling. Yet, the Exile can also say that they would not have followed Revan and Malak in attacking the Republic, that they went to war to defend the innocent. Many of the other Jedi who joined the war effort alongside them must have felt the same way, in the beginning.
Many of the soldiers of the Republic like Carth Onasi returned home after the Mandalorian Wars were over, even those like Saul Karath who would bow to Revan again. What then are the factors that led every surviving Revanchist Jedi, save the Exile, to follow Revan from the Mandalorian Wars into the Jedi Civil War?
1) The Mandalorian Wars changed the Jedi who fought in them. The Exile’s dialogue provides the different reasons why they might have left to fight in the war – to protect the innocent, to test their power, to defend the Republic, to win glory – reflecting varying motivations of Knights and Padawans recruited by Revan and Malak. However, despite the differences in the initial reasons for defying the Jedi Council to answer the Republic’s call, they all would have gone through similar uniting experiences during the war. Terrible experiences. Shared hardship often serves to reinforce group identity.
Older Jedi like Kavar and Arren Kae had fought wars before, but the initial expedition led by Revan and Malak was almost entirely composed of young Knights and older Padawans. Military morality, ethics in warfare, tends to be rather twisted from the perspective of modern western civilian morality. Your ability to prosecute the war and the safety of your soldiers takes priority over the lives of enemy, and sometimes even allied, civilians. Ruthless is more than a virtue, it’s a necessity. Collateral damage is an inevitability. For young relatively inexperienced Jedi, raised on ideals of valuing all life and always seeking non-violent resolutions, the transition to military command positions where they were not only required to kill, not only required to led troops to their death, but required to give orders which they knew would directly result in the deaths of civilians would have been distressing.
We know that the Exile once led troops directly into a minefield during the Battle of Dxun, but I think that barely scratched the surface. We aren’t given the full laundry list of the Mandalorians’ war crimes, but at the very least it includes the crime of aggression, murder of civilians, use of child soldiers, and conscription of captured civilians into the Neo-Crusaders and for forced labour. Given this disregard for the lives of civilians, I consider it likely that the Mandalorians also used hostages and headquartered themselves inside buildings like schools and hospitals. I suspect both sides used poison weapons, nuclear weapons, torture, and executed prisoners of war.
2) The Battle of Malachor V was a purge and a crucible of conversion. Kreia, HK-47, and the recording of Bastila Shan all say it; “a series of massacres that masked another war, a war of conversion”, “the intention was to destroy the Jedi, break their will, and make them loyal to Revan … Revan was "cleaning house" at Malachor V”, “to convert the last of the Jedi who fought beside [Revan] – and murder those who would not”. The Jedi in the radius of the Mass Shadow Generator would have included the Jedi Revan did not believe would agree with the plan to invade the Republic.
I think many of the Revanchist Jedi had already been falling by inches before Malachor. The Mandalorian Wars were brutal and one of the major symptoms of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is emotional dysregulation. Irritability, anxiety, depression, guilt, anger – the ongoing effects of trauma make a person more susceptible to inadvertently drawing on the Dark-Side of the Force. Using the Dark-Side of the Force was forbidden by the Code enforced by the Jedi Council, but the Revanchists had been pressured to compromise their ethics in other ways to effectively prosecute the war.
For any Jedi who had not already fallen, the detonation of the Mass Shadow Generator was a final blow they could not withstand. They all fell – into the Dark-Side, into death, away from the Force.
This was the conversion that Revan desired. The moral conversation – the acceptance of actions that violated their previous moral code, the previous moral code that would not have permitted making war on the Republic. The conversion in the Force – pushing Jedi to the Dark-Side ensured that they would not be accepted back into the Order by the Jedi Council even if they desired to return.
3) The Jedi Council’s decision to exile the Jedi who returned to face them was a gift to Revan and Malak. The Council’s judgement might have been rooted in their discomfort with what the Exile had become but the reason they publicly gave is that the Exile disobeyed the Council to follow Revan to war. That reason applied equally to every single other Revanchist. By exiling the one Revanchist to return the Jedi Council exiled them all, whether or not they intended to. They may not have, but by deciding to keep secret the true reasons behind their sentence of exile they ensured the other Revanchists could interpret their judgement no other way.
Telling the Revanchist Jedi they would never be welcome to return to the Jedi Order ensured that they would never go back. Onwards was the only path left to them.
4) Revan was extremely charismatic and competent. The Revanchist Jedi had already decided that Revan and Malak judgement was better than the Jedi Council’s when they chose to defy the Council’s orders to follow them to war. Revan, Malak and the Revanchists then won the war for the Republic. In fact, Revan even discovered the shadowy threat the which had been the Council’s justification for sitting out the war through engaging in it, while the Jedi Council remained ignorant.
The Republic government probably bungled the early stages of the Mandalorian Wars by not intervening sooner. The Mandalorians were committing more than enough war crimes for them to justify it, but they allowed Mandalorians to expand their territory, build their forces and industry, and entrench their advantage. When the Republic did enter the war, it wasn’t because the Republic leadership had made a strategic decision, or even a moral one; it was because some corrupt politicians organised bribes to fast-track Taris into the Republic because it was under threat and they wanted to protect their business holdings there. The Jedi Council was also tangled up in the culture of corruption; Lucien Draay was given a seat on the Council even though he’d been accused of planning and assisting the murder of four Padawans because of his powerful family connections.
The Old Republic was more an aristocratic republic than a democratic one. Alderaan, Onderon, the Empress Teta system – they were all monarchies during this period, not democracies. If aristocrats could hold power through right of blood and plutocrats through wealth, then why shouldn’t Revan lead the Galactic Republic by right of merit and conquest?
Revan was secretive, but at least some of the other Revanchist Sith knew about the shadowy threat – the True Sith Empire. If the Republic was going to need to fight another war against an even greater enemy, surely it would need better leadership. Leadership like Revan.
I will say that I disagree with small one point, that being the use of civilians as shields during the Mandalorian wars. While it is confirmed that the Republic, or at least the defending, troops did this against the Mandalorians Canderous expressed extreme distaste towards the tactic, implying that Mandalorians as a whole found it to be shameful.
Not only did the Mandalorians dislike the idea, they had alternative tactics, which you mentioned. Forced labor, conscription, mass execution, the Mandalorians did not allow any civilians on the battlefield, either by turning them into combatants, killing them, or moving them to somewhere they would be more useful slaves.
And the Revanchists wouldn’t have used civilians shields either, not for any moral reasons, but because the Mandalorians proved how ineffective that would be before the Jedi even joined the war.
Besides that one little nitpicky detail I love this post and you did an incredible job explaining the myriad of causes for the Revanchist’s falls!
The only question that remains is why Revan did it. You established very well that it was set in motion before the Mandalorian wars even ended, before they ventured into the unknown regions and met the True Sith Empire.
Revan’s fall remains a mystery, and I really love that. Even as the story has been fleshed out the real reason for their fall is still open to interpretation. The Revan novel may say it was Vitiate’s doing, but examining the timeline of events it becomes clear that isn’t completely true. No one in universe knows either. There is no canon. It can still be whatever the player wants.
hiii i’d like to request an ilmarë! i love her and eonwë :3
Her design would be something similar to this. Very glowing, very bright. I still have problems making the difference between Valar and Maiar big enough 🤔 I'd be curious how much I would have to scale up Varda's design to make it work compared to her handmaiden.
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#i think this is that thing where 19th century authors had to contrive a series of events for the manuscript to “appear” in their possession #complete with justifiable narrator and with total disregard for the rest of ways the rest of the text break reality #“yes it is entirely possible that a guy was briefly in another world and made it back here to give me his journal before leaving entirely” #“don't think too hard about it” (via @flameintheblacknight)
Say what you will about 19th Century literary critics' inexplicable hate-boner for the third-person omniscient perspective, but the lengths that 19th Century authors often went to in order to avoid getting CinemaSins dinged for failing to adequately contextualise how the narrator could possibly know all this are frequently the funniest stuff I've ever read.
Victorian-style story with two narrators who appear to be physically present but nobody else acknowledges them, nor do they appear to be aware of each other, and then they're eventually revealed to be an angel and a demon who were trying to invisibly watch and/or interfere with the events of the story. When they finally do notice each other, their ensuing scuffles as they try to sabotage each other nearly cause them to miss important plot points.
Medication is so annoying. I don’t want to get up so I can take more ibuprofen because the cramps are starting up. I want to take 100 pills of Tylenol and 100 pills of Motrin at the beginning of any given cycle and then be good for like three months. Or one month! Or one week! It doesn’t have to be an efficient usage of the medication if it means I don’t have to think about it at all for a bit. That would be nice. But unfortunately this kills you. Yet another example of how the science engages in a constant conspiracy to make you get up out of bed just when the nap was getting good.
Absolutely sick and tired of this mammal bullshit. Give me a sunbeam and one enormous pile of all my necessary medication in the form of a fully intact pig that I slowly digest over the course of a week
Time to googl[remembers i want the cool leftist mutuals to like me] duck duck go something [remembers that bragging about activism is performative and virtue signaling] i mean search something somewhere [remembers that it’s gonna be 34 degrees celsius tomorrow] i mean move into a cold dark cave to live with the isopods
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