Excerpt from a phone call with my grandmother
(I need to be so clear right now: I do not and will never proactively bring up politics with my “I’m not MAGA, I’m Republican” grandmother, but my dad both forces her to talk about this stuff and is pretty mean about it, so I think she brings it up with me because she knows I’m not going to yell or whatever.)
Grandmother: Your dad’s a socialist now.
Me: what? He said that? (Sidenote: my dad is a conspiracy theorist who was MAGA and I’m pretty sure once thought Obama was a lizard person, but he left QAnon, voted for Harris in 2024, and now I understand his politics even less than when he was super right-wing because he’s still a dang conspiracy theorist and believes too many racial stereotypes but loves Obama now??? Have no idea if he’s just accepted that lizard people are people too or if he’s renounced his Reptilian Elite beliefs entirely and I’m too scared to ask.)
G: Next thing you know, he’ll be a communist.
Me: He told you he’s a socialist? I don’t think he’s a socialist, at least not how you’re thinking.
G: that’s what he said. He said he’s a Democratic Socialist.
Me: okay, so that’s different than pure socialism. It’s not like what they have in Russia. (I did try to explain a little bit more of what I understand of democratic socialism here as well, but the explanation was brief and apparently lacking as you’ll soon see.)
G: Well, I don’t like what’s going on in New York.
Me: You don’t have to. You don’t live there.
G: I just don’t understand why all these people who hate it here so much don’t just leave.
Me: what people? It’s hard to leave even if you want to, but who are you talking about?
G: those people in New York.
Me: …are you talking about the primary winners?
G: yes. I just don’t understand why they stay here if they hate America so much.
Me: what did they say they hate about America? Because I’ve been told I hate America, but I don’t. I have a deep appreciation for our Constitution and the system that was set up, but I also don’t agree with how things are being run now.
G: Well, I don’t know. I don’t like that mayor.
G: yes. If he hates how things are, he should just go back to where he’s from instead of making everyone change.
(I need to interject to emphasize that my grandmother has absolutely no ties to New York City. I’m not even confident that she’s ever set foot in New York state and no one she knows lives anywhere near there.)
Me: Well, people voted for him because they liked his ideas and I’ve been hearing a lot of good things from New Yorkers.
G: He doesn’t need to change everything. I don’t like how things are, either, but if you just wait a while, they change eventually.
Me: well, but they change because people who care enough to do something about it actually act to change things. Things don’t just change all on their own.
G: I just think if he wants to be a socialist, he should go back to wherever he’s from and be in their government there since he likes that so much.
Me (as I frantically look up what sort of government Uganda has): I mean, he wouldn’t be able to be in a socialist government in Uganda, either. They have a parliamentary system. (At this point, I’ve abandoned trying to explain democratic socialism and am just working from her worldview, which is that the commie-socialists, probably led by Known Socialist Zohran Mamdani or an AU Communist Kamala Harris, are going to take over the US and plunge us into the depths of despair.)
G: he might as well go to Iran.
Me: you think a democratic socialist would be allowed to lead in Iran? They’re a religious dictatorship right now.
G: well. I just don’t like him.
Me: again, no one is asking you to.